Why do you think Curry struggled in the 16 Finals?

[Walk on Water]

Was it because he was hurt? How come if he was hurt, he scored 40 against Portland and was doing 360 dunks in the warm ups? In the regular season, he was unstoppable. So if it's so easy for guys like Kevin Love to guard him, why isn't that the case in the regular season? Do you think he got nervous? He seemed hesitant. But let's be clear. If Curry was playing like Curry, the Warriors would have won. They still almost pulled it off. He was not playing like himself. There's no way that Kevin Love and Dellevedova are that good of defenders. You would have to admit that Curry was more capable. And so you can't give the Cavs all the credit. You would give the Cavs more credit if Curry was playing like his normal self and they still won with him scoring over 30 points a game. Maybe Curry felt intimidated? But that's mental. Or maybe he really was hurt.

[Marchesk]

The refs allow defenders to defend the perimeter in the playoffs and particularly the finals like it was the 90s. The Cavs made it a priority to make Curry work hard for every shot. Notice how this allowed Durant free reign in 17 and 18. You can't focus all your defensive efforts on both.

They wouldn't be allowed to do that in the regular season. Curry had dudes draped all over him 28 feet from the basket. Just wait and see what kind of defense Dame sees in the first round.

[AirBonner]

Op. Concussioned Love. Cavs still won despite this

[Walk on Water]

Op. Concussioned Love. Cavs still won despite this


LOL he wasn't concussioned.

[Sulico]

Was it because he was hurt? How come if he was hurt, he scored 40 against Portland and was doing 360 dunks in the warm ups? In the regular season, he was unstoppable. So if it's so easy for guys like Kevin Love to guard him, why isn't that the case in the regular season? Do you think he got nervous? He seemed hesitant. But let's be clear. If Curry was playing like Curry, the Warriors would have won. They still almost pulled it off. He was not playing like himself. There's no way that Kevin Love and Dellevedova are that good of defenders. You would have to admit that Curry was more capable. And so you can't give the Cavs all the credit. You would give the Cavs more credit if Curry was playing like his normal self and they still won with him scoring over 30 points a game. Maybe Curry felt intimidated? But that's mental. Or maybe he really was hurt.

Brandon Roy once scored 24 and winning basket against 2011 Dallas Mavericks no less on a dead knees.

Curry was hopping from injury to injury at that postseason and it was pretty clear he was not the same after that knee sprain.
He himself admitted that he was not 100%. Knowing how injuries work I believe him. And it's not like he ever gave me reason to doubt his honesty. He's not the Kyrie Irving type.

[Stanley Kobrick]

stephen curry struggles and gets outplayed in every finals, 2016 was just the worst and most embarassing of his bunch. on a 73 win team and blowing a 3-1 to matthew dellavedova with hca. apparently his mcl tends to flare up every june like seasonal allergies. very unusual

[AirBonner]

LOL he wasn't concussioned.

Walking with autism. Do you feel your hunch is more legit than an actual doctor diagnosing?

[3ball]

If you remove the globetrotter tricks, Curry's baseline handling-style is similar to Tatum's - so it's kind of based on a Deron Williams' style, with the obvious crossover setups..

It's standard to see this style have issues getting by guys after a while.... and even one-off defenders like Love will anticipate some sort of crossover attempt from that style of player

but curry shouldn't have used any move on Love - just go for the blow-by.. that's how the most EFFECTIVE ball-handlers play - they go for the blow-by every time as the default, and this includes faking the blow-by and then doing something else - but it always starts with the blow-by... Guys like curry, tatum, and deron learn to NOT play this way as much because they lack the elite athleticism for a great first step.. so they start setting up crossovers instead, which is time-consuming and embarassing if unsuccessful

That's what makes Ingram, Nash, or Pierce's handle so good and not stagnant like Curry's can be - they seek or fake the blow-by first, then use other moves as necessary.. and yes, they aren't necessarily elite athletes with great first-step, but they developed a different/more effective handling style entirely than Curry/Deron/Tatum.. going for the blow-by is proper handling fundamentals, so players who develop a repertiore with that default will be more effective

Ultimately, Curry is a jumpshooter - his handles don't have elite effectiveness

[Axe]

stephen curry struggles and gets outplayed in every finals, 2016 was just the worst and most embarassing of his bunch. on a 73 win team and blowing a 3-1 to matthew dellavedova with hca. apparently his mcl tends to flare up every june like seasonal allergies. very unusual
Curry's usefulness drops to zero without klay

[3ball]

Curry's usefulness drops to zero without klay

So they're a system team and players?

Perhaps.... since it's hard to see Klay or Curry carrying a low seed to the cusp of the Finals like MJ in 89'... I don't even think they could carry a sub-par cast to the Finals in a weak East like Iverson, Lebron, Kidd, and Dwight did

They need a brand and system that is ahead of the league.. when the league started to catch up at the end of 2016, they got KD to fix it

[insidious301]

LeBron just played better. On a plateau Curry cant and will never reach. That might sound crazy because Steph is very good in his own right. But there are levels to this. LeBron led his team in all major stat categories while scoring b2b 40-point games to stave off elimination. He put icing on the cake by accumulating a 27-point triple double in game 7. That's the difference between the GOAT shooter and a GOAT-like player.

[Axe]

So they're a system team and players?

Perhaps.... since it's hard to see Klay or Curry carrying a low seed to the cusp of the Finals like MJ in 89'... I don't even think they could carry a sub-par cast to the Finals in a weak East like Iverson, Lebron, Kidd, and Dwight did

They need a brand and system that is ahead of the league.. when the league started to catch up at the end of 2016, they got KD to fix it
So i'm guessing that this is an indirect way of saying 'no pip, no chip'.

[Axe]

LeBron just played better. On a plateau Curry cant and will never reach. That might sound crazy because Steph is very good in his own right. But there are levels to this. LeBron led his team in all major stat categories while scoring b2b 40-point games to stave off elimination. He put icing on the cake by accumulating a 27-point triple double in game 7. That's the difference between the GOAT shooter and a GOAT-like player.
That is why curry will never be an fmvp, despite being a great perennial shooter for his team.

[3ball]

So i'm guessing that this is an indirect way of saying 'no pip, no chip'.

No, we've already sorted that out

The new phrase is, "no 90's, no chip"

because the better parity of the 90"s allowed 2-star teams to win, whereas you needed an all-time team with many HOF's to win the 80's East

Of course not surprisingly, the goat won every year in the 2-star format, basically

[Axe]

No, we've already sorted that out

The new phrase is, "no 90's, no chip"

because the better parity of the 90"s allowed 2-star teams to win, whereas you needed an all-time team with many HOF's to win the 80's East
Then you'll have mudslingers suggesting that the 90s were a watered-down era for saying that.

[FromDowntown]

So i'm guessing that this is an indirect way of saying 'no pip, no chip'.

:roll: :roll:

[FromDowntown]

Then you'll have mudslingers suggesting that the 90s were a watered-down era for saying that.

+1

NAME a weaker era that has John Starks as a #2

[3ball]

+1

NAME a weaker era that has John Starks as a #2

The Knicks' cast scored much more than the bulls' cast

Only Jordan's scoring made up for it.. this is the case in every series

Heck, X-man destroyed Pippen in 92' anyway (MJ saved bulls in that series)

And the bulls faced Starks in his prime, aka 19/6/6 and all-defense.. so he was similar to Pippen, while X-man outplayed everyone.. the Knicks had more good players, aka deeper and their cast drastically outscored the bulls every time they played

[Bronbron23]

Was it because he was hurt? How come if he was hurt, he scored 40 against Portland and was doing 360 dunks in the warm ups? In the regular season, he was unstoppable. So if it's so easy for guys like Kevin Love to guard him, why isn't that the case in the regular season? Do you think he got nervous? He seemed hesitant. But let's be clear. If Curry was playing like Curry, the Warriors would have won. They still almost pulled it off. He was not playing like himself. There's no way that Kevin Love and Dellevedova are that good of defenders. You would have to admit that Curry was more capable. And so you can't give the Cavs all the credit. You would give the Cavs more credit if Curry was playing like his normal self and they still won with him scoring over 30 points a game. Maybe Curry felt intimidated? But that's mental. Or maybe he really was hurt.

He's relatively struggled in every finals other than 18 i believe. 16 was the worst although last year was pretty bad also.

Curry struggles because he benefits from the b.s regular season rules and calls which are called differently deep in the playoffs. So its not that hes choking its just that the game gets more physical and tougher. Someone like bron or kawhi can handle it much better than someone smaller and weaker like steph.

[Axe]

The Knicks' cast scored much more than the bulls' cast

Only Jordan's scoring made up for it.. this is the case in every series

Heck, X-man destroyed Pippen in 92' anyway (MJ saved bulls in that series)

And the bulls faced Starks in his prime, aka 19/6/6 and all-defense.. so he was similar to Pippen, while X-man outplayed everyone.. the Knicks had more good players, aka deeper and their cast drastically outscored the bulls every time they played
I see you delete your previous response on me

I see what you did there buddy :oldlol:

[Stanley Kobrick]

Curry's usefulness drops to zero without klay
as we've seen proof this year when Stephen Curry went 1-5 without him

[Axe]

as we've seen proof this year when Stephen Curry went 1-5 without him
He also had zero wins during last year's finals when he became missing

[Lebron23]

Blocked by James

[warriorfan]

He's relatively struggled in every finals other than 18 i believe. 16 was the worst although last year was pretty bad also.

Curry struggles because he benefits from the b.s regular season rules and calls which are called differently deep in the playoffs. So its not that hes choking its just that the game gets more physical and tougher. Someone like bron or kawhi can handle it much better than someone smaller and weaker like steph.

https://i.postimg.cc/R0dLckbK/608283-A3-DDF1-40-C4-BD28-651-BD0187-D39.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/G2pJzXZN/D9-AC8-EA8-96-F0-4992-BC1-F-19250914-CE63.jpg

There’s only 9 players on the history of the game with a better ppg in the Finals than Steph Curry, only 7 when including the entire playoffs.

Stop posting bro. You are a low iq piece of human garbage. You make everyone dumber everytime you post. Just call it quits for everyone’s sake.

[Axe]

https://i.postimg.cc/R0dLckbK/608283-A3-DDF1-40-C4-BD28-651-BD0187-D39.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/G2pJzXZN/D9-AC8-EA8-96-F0-4992-BC1-F-19250914-CE63.jpg

There’s only 9 players on the history of the game with a better ppg in the Finals than Steph Curry, only 7 when including the entire playoffs.

Stop posting bro. You are a low iq piece of human garbage. You make everyone dumber everytime you post. Just call it quits for everyone’s sake.
Meltdown

[Stanley Kobrick]

He also had zero wins during last year's finals when he became missing
Stephen Curry never made the playoffs until Klay was drafted. no Klay, no May

[FromDowntown]

The Knicks' cast scored much more than the bulls' cast

Only Jordan's scoring made up for it.. this is the case in every series

Heck, X-man destroyed Pippen in 92' anyway (MJ saved bulls in that series)

And the bulls faced Starks in his prime, aka 19/6/6 and all-defense.. so he was similar to Pippen, while X-man outplayed everyone.. the Knicks had more good players, aka deeper and their cast drastically outscored the bulls every time they played

Was Bleacher Report having a hard time finding MJ's rivalry or was this it?

https://i.postimg.cc/k5pXdN5h/Rivalry-Decade.jpg


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2896346-br-nba-staff-the-biggest-rivalries-of-every-nba-decade[/QUOTE]

Wow

[Doranku]

He played poorly overall and choked at times. Similar to 2004 Kobe or 2011 Bran.

[Axe]

Stephen Curry never made the playoffs until Klay was drafted. no Klay, no May
No klay and no dray? No offsplay

[CTbasketball92]

If you remove the globetrotter tricks, Curry's baseline handling-style is similar to Tatum's - so it's kind of based on a Deron Williams' style, with the obvious crossover setups..

It's standard to see this style have issues getting by guys after a while.... and even one-off defenders like Love will anticipate some sort of crossover attempt from that style of player

but curry shouldn't have used any move on Love - just go for the blow-by.. that's how the most EFFECTIVE ball-handlers play - they go for the blow-by every time as the default, and this includes faking the blow-by and then doing something else - but it always starts with the blow-by... Guys like curry, tatum, and deron learn to NOT play this way as much because they lack the elite athleticism for a great first step.. so they start setting up crossovers instead, which is time-consuming and embarassing if unsuccessful

That's what makes Ingram, Nash, or Pierce's handle so good and not stagnant like Curry's can be - they seek or fake the blow-by first, then use other moves as necessary.. and yes, they aren't necessarily elite athletes with great first-step, but they developed a different/more effective handling style entirely than Curry/Deron/Tatum.. going for the blow-by is proper handling fundamentals, so players who develop a repertiore with that default will be more effective

Ultimately, Curry is a jumpshooter - his handles don't have elite effectiveness


Totally agreed. I think he might have been banged up, but at the end of the day, Curry's first step is proably the slowest out of every other elite guard in the league. Even watching their finals matchups, it was clear that someone like Kyrie is much quicker off the dribble and he tries to get downhill and gets low and accelerates. Tatum and Curry don't have a great first step so it's harder to just get by people.


I think Curry played very well in the playoffs last year, but he it's clear that he's not a guy who has the baseline athleticism to make easy plays for himself all the time and just get by defenders.

[Bronbron23]

https://i.postimg.cc/R0dLckbK/608283-A3-DDF1-40-C4-BD28-651-BD0187-D39.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/G2pJzXZN/D9-AC8-EA8-96-F0-4992-BC1-F-19250914-CE63.jpg

There’s only 9 players on the history of the game with a better ppg in the Finals than Steph Curry, only 7 when including the entire playoffs.

Stop posting bro. You are a low iq piece of human garbage. You make everyone dumber everytime you post. Just call it quits for everyone’s sake.

Damn nice Meltdown dude. I obviously hit a nerve lol.

Anyway Ive showed you his efficiency numbers many times dude. Nobody's saying he isnt great. Me saying he struggles is relative to his own success that he has in the regular season not other players. The fact is he usually gets worse come finals time. You can deny it all you want but its the truth.

[Axe]

Curry is great in the regular season. No doubt about that but when playoffs come, he becomes an ordinary player considering defenses would get tougher and when it's apparent that he's struggling in his shooting, he always had teammates to rely on in bailing him out. He can't even do the ultimate carryjob that bran did for his original club when they were still the finalists from the east.

[ImKobe]

Curry is great in the regular season. No doubt about that but when playoffs come, he becomes an ordinary player considering defenses would get tougher and when it's apparent that he's struggling in his shooting, he always had teammates to rely on in bailing him out. He can't even do the ultimate carryjob that bran did for his original club when they were still the finalists from the east.

He had plenty of great series, he got robbed of that 2015 FMVP. He averaged close to 11 ppg on over 70%TS in the 4th quarters of that Finals. Swept Portland averaging 37/8/7 on 66%TS in the '19 WCF (no KD, Iggy injured). Had 47/8/7 in a Finals game without Klay.

When OKC was up 3 - 1, Warriors came back because Steph averaged 33/7/8 in the 3 elimination games with 36/5/8 in Game 7. Can't say he hasn't showed up in the Playoffs for most of his career. 27/6/6/2 61.6%TS averages for the 5 Finals runs.

[Manny98]

https://youtu.be/rkm3LVYhInM

[warriorfan]

Damn nice Meltdown dude. I obviously hit a nerve lol.

Anyway Ive showed you his efficiency numbers many times dude. Nobody's saying he isnt great. Me saying he struggles is relative to his own success that he has in the regular season not other players. The fact is he usually gets worse come finals time. You can deny it all you want but its the truth.

The only players in the modern era with more playoff ppg are Allen Iverson, Kevin Durant, LeBron James, and Michael Jordan. Damn, what struggling. :roll:

You are dumber than shit. Stop posting. Seriously.