Where do you rank steph currently and all time?

[Bronbron23]

I have him around 20th all time and currently at 6 or 7. Seems like he may be in decline but it was a very small sample size this year so its hard to say. I have bron, greek, kawhi, luka and harden easily ahead of him. Then theres dame, trae and 1 or 2 others you could possibly put ahead.

[MrFonzworth]

Trae nor Lillard have an argument over him whatsoever. I'd say he's in the top 10-15 when it's all said and done, 2 MVPs and 3 rings is a phenomenal feat. Especially for a point guard.

[ImKobe]

top 15 all-time. He still has plenty of years to make his case for top 10, his shooting ability isn't going to fade away.

[NBAGOAT]

I wouldnt have him 20th yet but top 25(maybe care too much about longevity). Just think he's better than guys after 25 but there are guys in the 20-25 range with nice peaks and longevity like a wade type.

Trae's not in the conversation for top 5 and I dont you can say dame's better or some guys in the top 5 are easily better even coming off an injury. Curry could outplay anyone next year

[TheCorporation]

Trae nor Lillard have an argument over him whatsoever. I'd say he's in the top 10-15 when it's all said and done, 2 MVPs and 3 rings is a phenomenal feat. Especially for a point guard.

This man gets it

[RRR3]

Trae Young over Curry :lol

OP at it again

[Bronbron23]

Trae Young over Curry :lol

OP at it again

Currently? Trae isnt better in terms overall. Even if we just take last year curry was better. im basing it on curry declining a little. Hes gonna be 32 next season thats usually right around where guys start to decline and trae on the other hand is still getting better.

[Bronbron23]

This man gets it

We'll see next season. My guess is it will be pretty close between the 3.

[3ball]

1. MJ
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Bird
5. Magic
6. Russell
7. Shaq
8. Kobe
9. Hakeem
10. Duncan
11. Lebron
12. Dr. J
13. KD
14. Oscar
15. Elgin
16. Kawhi
17. Wade
18. Isiah
19. Malone
20. Barkley
21. Ewing
22. West
23. Moses
24. Reed
25. Garnett
26. Robinson
27. Dirk
28. Harden


How far do I have to go because I have maravich > curry

[RRR3]

1. MJ
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Bird
5. Magic
6. Russell
7. Shaq
8. Kobe
9. Hakeem
10. Duncan
11. Lebron
12. Dr. J
13. KD
14. Oscar
15. Elgin
16. Kawhi
17. Wade
18. Isiah
19. Malone
20. Barkley
21. Ewing
22. West
23. Moses
24. Reed
25. Garnett
26. Robinson
27. Dirk
28. Harden


How far do I have to go because I have maravich > curry
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[StrongLurk]

Curry is top 5-6 currently, top 15-20 all time.

[3ball]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Curry was under 19 ppg for 3 straight seasons at only 5 three-point attempts until the format and rules changed in his favor (3-pt contest) - only then did his 3-point attempts increase, and his ppg accordingly..

So he would have zero chance of averaging 20 with zero threes per game, let alone 30 and 40 like Maravich

People don't seem to understand that the lack of spacing in previous eras made it so that teams EXPECTED to take contested shots from possession to possession - the top scorers had to be expert 2-point shot-makers, which Curry is not and today's spaced-out format doesn't require it (contested shots)

The need for contested shot-making in no-spacing environments made everyone develop their own way of making contested shots - that's why everyone played different back then - no one played like bird, magic, or kareem.. or dominique or english or wilkes.. whereas today's 3's and layups have spawned robots and frauds, like curry (who still gets exposed in Finals)

[Stephonit]

Curry was under 19 ppg for 3 straight seasons at only 5 three-point attempts until the format and rules changed in his favor (3-pt contest) - only then did his 3-point attempts increase, and his ppg accordingly..

So he would have zero chance of averaging 20 with zero threes per game, let alone 30 and 40 like Maravich

People don't seem to understand that the lack of spacing in previous eras made it so that teams EXPECTED to take contested shots from possession to possession - the top scorers had to be expert 2-point shot-makers, which Curry is not and today's spaced-out format doesn't require it

What nonsense is this? Curry has averaged a higher 2-point field goal percentage than Jordan.

[warriorfan]

Op works at McDonald’s

[3ball]

What nonsense is this? Curry has averaged a higher 2-point field goal percentage than Jordan.

On zero volume, so when he was wide open.. it's irrelevant.. he isn't even a 19 ppg scorer when he doesn't have high 3-point volume, aka today's 3-pointer format

Curry is nothing as a 2-point shot-maker, so he wouldn't be anything in prior eras when the lack of spacing made contested 2-pointers a requirement.. he probably wouldn't even play basketball.. maybe he'd be a volleyball player or something

[insidious301]

Currently? Trae isnt better in terms overall. Even if we just take last year curry was better. im basing it on curry declining a little. Hes gonna be 32 next season thats usually right around where guys start to decline and trae on the other hand is still getting better.

You're admittedly big on postseason play, yet want to rank Trae on the unknown. That doesn't sound consistent. Far as your OP, I still think Curry is top 5. And all time in the 20s.

[Bronbron23]

Op works at McDonald’s

Curryfan still unemployed in his moms basement watching old clips of 16 screaming steph was injured. Gonna change your name to ray fincle. "Laces out" :lol

[tpols]

1. MJ
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Bird
5. Magic
6. Russell
7. Shaq
8. Kobe
9. Hakeem
10. Duncan
11. Lebron
12. Dr. J
13. KD
14. Oscar
15. Elgin
16. Kawhi
17. Wade
18. Isiah
19. Malone
20. Barkley
21. Ewing
22. West
23. Moses
24. Reed
25. Garnett
26. Robinson
27. Dirk
28. Harden


How far do I have to go because I have maravich > curry

You just contradicted everything you've ever wrote on teamwork, ball movement, and general success by putting harden over curry.

[Bronbron23]

You're admittedly big on postseason play, yet want to rank Trae on the unknown. That doesn't sound consistent. I still think Curry right now is top 5. And all time in the 20s.

well neither made the playoffs this year and usually you'd use the current year to currently rank someone. Steph barely played and when he did he was terrible and trae was very good. Its obviously an outlier for steph but i do think he is in decline.

Plus its just a current ranking dude. Rankings can change easily.

[Lion's pride]

1. MJ
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Bird
5. Magic
6. Russell
7. Shaq
8. Kobe
9. Hakeem
10. Duncan
11. Lebron
12. Dr. J
13. KD
14. Oscar
15. Elgin
16. Kawhi
17. Wade
18. Isiah
19. Malone
20. Barkley
21. Ewing
22. West
23. Moses
24. Reed
25. Garnett
26. Robinson
27. Dirk
28. Harden


How far do I have to go because I have maravich > curry

you have Bird >Magic so you get my approval right there..

[insidious301]

well neither made the playoffs this year and usually you'd use the current year to currently rank someone. Steph barely played and when he did he was terrible and trae was very good. Its obviously an outlier for steph but i do think he is in decline.

Plus its just a current ranking dude. Rankings can change easily.

We know that Curry is a good postseason performer and that Trae's never made the playoffs. Pretty big difference there. Even more knowing that you think the regular-season is irrelevant. Curry only played in 5 games this past year. You might need a bigger sample to excuse that for horrible play.

[Stephonit]

On zero volume, so when he was wide open.. it's irrelevant.. he isn't even a 19 ppg scorer when he doesn't have high 3-point volume, aka today's 3-pointer format

Curry is nothing as a 2-point shot-maker, so he wouldn't be anything in prior eras when the lack of spacing made contested 2-pointers a requirement.. he probably wouldn't even play basketball.. maybe he'd be a volleyball player or something

I was trying to gauge how high you were. It seems higher than I thought....

[3ball]

I was trying to gauge how high you were. It seems higher than I thought....

Curry took 1 mid-range attempt per game

Literally

aka the 1 that was wide open

He's a weak 2-point shot-maker and lives of today's 3-point shooting drill format. Without it, he's nothing... maybe Mahmood Abdul Rauf.. not even

The stats back up what I'm saying, not what you're saying - Curry was infact nothing until today's format increased his 3-point volume

[raprap]

Def top 20

Arguably top 15

[Stephonit]

Curry took 1 mid-range attempt per game

Literally

aka the 1 that was wide open

He's a weak 2-point shot-maker and lives of today's 3-point shooting drill format. Without it, he's nothing... maybe Mahmood Abdul Rauf.. not even

The stats back up what I'm saying, not what you're saying - Curry was infact nothing until today's format increased his 3-point volume

Take a nap. You'll feel better when you wake up.

[3ball]

Take a nap. You'll feel better when you wake up.
The stats back up what I'm saying, not what you're saying - Curry was infact nothing (less than 19 ppg) until today's format increased his 3-point volume

[Carbine]

He basically invented "today's format"

[3ball]

He basically invented "today's format"

No, the rule changes made penetration an automatic, built-in component of the game, which facilitated a drive-and-kick strategy and more 3-pointers

And just intuitively, 3 > 2, so this sort of phase was bound to happen

Curry is just a lucky beneficiary, like coming out of the right womb.. he's running really well

[Carbine]

The rule changes were in place well before Curry came into the league. Teams weren't shooting this many threes until Curry and Klay exploded and people wanted to copy it.

[Stephonit]

The stats back up what I'm saying, not what you're saying - Curry was infact nothing (less than 19 ppg) until today's format increased his 3-point volume

Curry in his first three years with Golden State was a designated secondary scorer behind Monta Ellis. Then he was promoted and he's been scorching the league ever since.

[warriorfan]

Curryfan still unemployed in his moms basement watching old clips of 16 screaming steph was injured. Gonna change your name to ray fincle. "Laces out" :lol

I’ll have a Bacon McDouble, a chocolate milkshake, and some fries. Thank you.

[SouBeachTalents]

1. MJ
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Bird
5. Magic
6. Russell
7. Shaq
8. Kobe
9. Hakeem
10. Duncan
11. Lebron
12. Dr. J
13. KD
14. Oscar
15. Elgin
16. Kawhi
17. Wade
18. Isiah
19. Malone
20. Barkley
21. Ewing
22. West
23. Moses
24. Reed
25. Garnett
26. Robinson
27. Dirk
28. Harden


How far do I have to go because I have maravich > curry
Your rankings changed quite a bit during the last couple of days

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?482812-Can-Kawhi-surpass-Lebron-on-the-all-time-rankings&p=14070656&viewfull=1#post14070656

[Roundball_Rock]

He basically missed all of this season so can't speak to his current status. All-time top 15-20.

[Sulico]

1. MJ
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Bird
5. Magic
6. Russell
7. Shaq
8. Kobe
9. Hakeem
10. Duncan
11. Lebron
12. Dr. J
13. KD
14. Oscar
15. Elgin
16. Kawhi
17. Wade
18. Isiah
19. Malone
20. Barkley
21. Ewing
22. West
23. Moses
24. Reed
25. Garnett
26. Robinson
27. Dirk
28. Harden


How far do I have to go because I have maravich > curry

We all got players we like and players we don't like, but if you want to be taken seriously you have to at least pretend to be objective.
With the lists like that people will just think that you are clown and laugh at you.

[Lebron23]

3ball went full retard in this thread.

[Manny98]

When healthy he's the 5th best player in the NBA behind, Lebron, Giannis,Kawhi & KD

All time I have him 11th

1. MJ
2. LeBron
3. Magic
4. Kareem
5. Shaq
6. Bird
7. Duncan
8. Kobe
9. Russell
10. Wilt
11. Curry
12. KD

Curry wiil finish in the top 10 when he's done

[3ball]

We all got players we like and players we don't like, but if you want to be taken seriously you have to at least pretend to be objective.
With the lists like that people will just think that you are clown and laugh at you.

I'm quite confident in the list except I left out Giannis.. he should be in top 25

[Lebron23]

When healthy he's the 5th best player in the NBA behind, Lebron, Giannis,Kawhi & KD

All time I have him 11th

1. MJ
2. LeBron
3. Magic
4. Kareem
5. Shaq
6. Bird
7. Duncan
8. Kobe
9. Russell
10. Wilt
11. Curry
12. KD

Curry wiil finish in the top 10 when he's done

Currently steph is at 14-15. 2nd greatest point guard of all time after Magic

[3ball]

Curry in his first three years with Golden State was a designated secondary scorer behind Monta Ellis. Then he was promoted and he's been scorching the league ever since.

Steph's promotion over Monta coincided with an increase in his 3-pt volume from the league becoming a 3-point shooting drill

This is statistical fact - at 5 attempts or less, he wasn't even a 19 ppg scorer.. so when the game wasn't 3-point-oriented, Monta was better/preferred over Steph

So I have statistical and historical proof, and you have nothing

And bruh, Steph went to school for 3 or 4 years right?.. so he was super-seasoned and ready

[Stephonit]

Steph's promotion over Monta coincided with an increase in his 3-pt volume from the league becoming a 3-point shooting drill

This is statistical fact - at 5 attempts or less, he wasn't even a 19 ppg scorer.. so when the game wasn't 3-point-oriented, Monta was better/preferred over Steph

So I have statistical and historical proof, and you have nothing

And bruh, Steph went to school for 3 or 4 years right?.. so he was super-seasoned and ready

The maximum one can theoretically score on 5 attempts is 15 unless you factor in fouls for four-point plays in which case it would be 20. 19 ppg on 5 attempts or less would be absolutely incredible.

Get off your mushrooms and lie down.

[72-10]

He's definitely top 20 on my list, but he's not even one of the great two-way players imo, so while I begrudgingly put him ahead of a great two-way player who didn't achieve as much like Patrick Ewing, he's lower than great two-way players who achieved and produced more, like Hakeem Olajuwon or Jerry West.

[Roundball_Rock]

The maximum one can theoretically score on 5 attempts is 15 unless you factor in fouls for four-point plays in which case it would be 20. 19 ppg on 5 attempts or less would be absolutely incredible.

Get off your mushrooms and lie down.

:lol

It is funny he has Ewing 22nd but disses Curry.

[3ball]

. 19 ppg on 5 attempts or less would be absolutely horrible


.
^^^ fixed

Hundreds of players have averaged 19 ppg with zero 3-point attempts

Again, curry is a shitty 2-point shot-maker and wouldn't be good in eras where the offensive format didn't allow a lot of threes

[Manny98]

3ball mad his boy couldn't win 73 games & win unanimous MVP like Curry

[72-10]

Manny98 mad that Curry has one 2,000 point season

[SATAN]

Behind Tom Chambers

[Axe]

When healthy he's the 5th best player in the NBA behind, Lebron, Giannis,Kawhi & KD

All time I have him 11th

1. MJ
2. LeBron
3. Magic
4. Kareem
5. Shaq
6. Bird
7. Duncan
8. Kobe
9. Russell
10. Wilt
11. Curry
12. KD

Curry wiil finish in the top 10 when he's done
You can't be serious with this list

[Stephonit]

You can't be serious with this list

It certainly makes more sense than some of the other lists one sees. The Warriors are the best team of all-time but none of them make the top 20 while having Kareem and Magic and Shaq and Kobe in the top 10? Illogical.

[Axe]

It certainly makes more sense than some of the other lists one sees. The Warriors are the best team of all-time but none of them make the top 20 while having Kareem and Magic and Shaq and Kobe in the top 10? Illogical.
I mean he can't be serious with ranking mj at #1. And btw, i have doubts the warriors are the best team of all-time.

[Sulico]

I'm quite confident in the list except I left out Giannis.. he should be in top 25

Ususally I can see from the list if person values rings or stats or longevity or awards.

Yours is all over the place and so random that my only conclusion is that you only value your personal biases. And that makes your list useless for the rest of us and irrelevant since we have different biases obviously.

[Manny98]

You can't be serious with this list

????

[Bronbron23]

He basically invented "today's format"

No he didnt the rockets and Daryl morey did. Steph definitely made it exciting though.

[warriorfan]

No he didnt the rockets and Daryl morey did. Steph definitely made it exciting though.

I’ll have a Sausage McMuffin and a Coffee with one cream.

Thank you.

[Bronbron23]

I’ll have a Sausage McMuffin and a Coffee with one cream.

Thank you.

Come on bruh you know your fat ass needs more than that. You might want to order some food for your imaginary girlfriend too:facepalm

[warriorfan]

Come on bruh you know your fat ass needs more than that. You might want to order some food for your imaginary girlfriend too:facepalm

Hey bud I’m gonna have to ask to speak with your manager.

[Bronbron23]

It certainly makes more sense than some of the other lists one sees. The Warriors are the best team of all-time but none of them make the top 20 while having Kareem and Magic and Shaq and Kobe in the top 10? Illogical.

how are they the best team of all time? Im assuming your talking about the warriors team led by kd but even they only have 2 chips. They should only have 1 too. Rockets had them beat if cp3 dosnt get hurt. You really think if rockets had them beat that teams like 2000 lakers, 90's bulls and 80's Celtics and lakers couldn't? Yiu can throw brons heat and some of those spurs teams in there also.

[Bronbron23]

Hey bud I’m gonna have to ask to speak with your manager.

You sure you dont want to get your mom to do that? She's been taking care of you your whole life. Might want to let her handle that.

[warriorfan]

You sure you dont want to get your mom to do that? She's been taking care of you your whole life. Might want to let her handle that.

Look man I don’t need to hear your life story I just want a McMuffin and some coffee.

[Bronbron23]

Hey bud I’m gonna have to ask to speak with your manager.

And its ok Curryfan. Dont be triggered by this thread. Curry is a consensus 15-20 all time and 5th or 6th best today. Thats still pretty good little buddy.

[Stephonit]

how are they the best team of all time? Im assuming your talking about the warriors team led by kd but even they only have 2 chips. They should only have 1 too. Rockets had them beat if cp3 dosnt get hurt. You really think if rockets had them beat that teams like 2000 lakers, 90's bulls and 80's Celtics and lakers couldn't? Yiu can throw brons heat and some of those spurs teams in there also.

I don't think even Rockets fans use the "if CP3 doesn't get hurt" line anymore after last year. As stated earlier the Lakers teams are commonly presented as each having two representatives in the top 10. The Bulls and Celtics one. But the Warriors don't deserve even one in the top 20 despite being the only team since the 1960s to go to 5 straight finals and having both the regular season wins record and playoffs wins record? Twist your logic into a pretzel on that one.

[Bronbron23]

I don't think even Rockets fans use the "if CP3 doesn't get hurt" line anymore after last year. As stated earlier the Lakers teams are commonly presented as each having two representatives in the top 10. The Bulls and Celtics have one also. But the Warriors don't deserve even one in the top 20 despite being the only team since the 1960s to go to 5 straight finals and having both the regular season wins record and playoffs wins record? Twist your logic into a pretzel on that one.

Ok well i dont disagree they are one of them but you said best all time so i took that as the very best.

[Stephonit]

Ok well i dont disagree they are one of them but you said best all time so i took that as the very best.

They very well could be at that. As strong a claim as any other.

[Hey Yo]

top 15 all-time. He still has plenty of years to make his case for top 10, his shooting ability isn't going to fade away.
Wow..... surprised you think he can pass Kobe and get into the top 10.

[Stephonit]

Wow..... surprised you think he can pass Kobe and get into the top 10.

If Curry gets to 5 rings, arguments for best of all-time write themselves.

[Bronbron23]

They very well could be at that. As strong a claim as any other.

Yeah they were good enough to beat anyone but based on what they did and who they beat i dont think they deserve that title. There are teams who were as good who achieved more.

Also in relation to steph on that team it gets a bit complicated because once kd came curry was no longer the best player. Theres a few diehard curry fans on here that disagree but kd was in fact better. He was as good offensively but a thousand times better on the other side of the ball.

[Stephonit]

Yeah they were good enough to beat anyone but based on what they did and who they beat i dont think they deserve that title. There are teams who were as good who achieved more.

Also in relation to steph on that team it gets a bit complicated because once kd came curry was no longer the best player. Theres a few diehard curry fans on here that disagree but kd was in fact better. He was as good offensively but a thousand times better on the other side of the ball.

There's not really that much proof for that. The Warriors were a number one defense in the league without KD. When were the Thunder the best defensive team?

[Hey Yo]

If Curry gets to 5 rings, arguments for best of all-time write themselves.
No chance he'll ever has a case for best of all time. He only has 1 ring now and without a FMVP, plus owns the biggest choke-job in NBA history.

Dreamers can dream though.

[Roundball_Rock]

Curry is interesting because while he probably will go down as the 3rd or 4th best of his era (depending on how Kawhi shakes out), he arguably was the most important player of his era. He changed the game.

[Stephonit]

No chance he'll ever has a case for best of all time. He only has 1 ring now and without a FMVP, plus owns the biggest choke-job in NBA history.

Dreamers can dream though.

I'm sure that based on your count at least two more rings will mysteriously turn up.



Curry is interesting because while he probably will go down as the 3rd or 4th best of his era (depending on how Kawhi shakes out), he arguably was the most important player of his era. He changed the game.

The truth is simpler. He's the best of the era.

[Roundball_Rock]

LeBron will be remembered as the best of his era and at minimum top 5 all-time, whether people like it or not. Then it is Curry, KD behind him with Kawhi joining that group soon. Maybe Curry can go down as greater than KD, Kawhi when it is all said and done but you know the LeBron ship has sailed.

[warriorfan]

No chance he'll ever has a case for best of all time. He only has 1 ring now and without a FMVP, plus owns the biggest choke-job in NBA history.

Dreamers can dream though.

Jason Terry.

[Bronbron23]

There's not really that much proof for that. The Warriors were a number one defense in the league without KD. When were the Thunder the best defensive team?

They were a number 1 defense because of who they had around steph. The bench included. They got rid of alot of that for kd and for other reasons so its not a good comparison. And kd on thunder wasnt as good defensively. He learned alot from the warriors ill give them that. They tought him the importance of defence and ball movement.

[Stephonit]

LeBron will be remembered as the best of his era and at minimum top 5 all-time, whether people like it or not. Then it is Curry, KD behind him with Kawhi joining that group soon. Maybe Curry can go down as greater than KD, Kawhi when it is all said and done but you know the LeBron ship has sailed.

I'm sure that's what the media says and what they have convinced a lot of people to think. But I don't think the evidence for that argument hold up to scrutiny. A new generation unbiased by the noise isn't going to accept that conclusion as easily. Pretty much the Wilt and Russell arguments.

[3ball]

LeBron will be remembered as the best of his era and at minimum top 5 all-time, whether people like it or not. Then it is Curry, KD behind him with Kawhi joining that group soon. Maybe Curry can go down as greater than KD, Kawhi when it is all said and done but you know the LeBron ship has sailed.

Lebron will not be top 5... :facepalm:..

It's way too debateable NOW (at the current time), for him to be a lock in 5 years.

If KD, Kawhi or Giannis gets 1 more ring, people will be putting them on lebron's level, with a few people asking if they're ahead.. that alone will make lebron borderline line top 10 rather than top 5..

[Roundball_Rock]

I'm sure that's what the media says and what they have convinced a lot of people to think. But I don't think the evidence for that argument hold up to scrutiny. A new generation unbiased by the noise isn't going to accept that conclusion as easily. Pretty much the Wilt and Russell arguments.

Possible. Let's see. Hakeem was compared to David Robinson when he played but fans today will compare him to Kareem & Wilt so things can change.

We also have to see how Curry's career finishes. He will have several more superstar seasons left, his game should age well. If the Warriors win before KD, with KD, and after KD that makes him the Russell of his era in team success.

[Bronbron23]

LeBron will be remembered as the best of his era and at minimum top 5 all-time, whether people like it or not. Then it is Curry, KD behind him with Kawhi joining that group soon. Maybe Curry can go down as greater than KD, Kawhi when it is all said and done but you know the LeBron ship has sailed.

Cant argue lebron top 5. Personally i have him around 6 or 7 but 4th or 5th is fair. Not sure about steph right behind him though. He had a very short stint on top. He was the best player on a championship team for only 1 year. That to go along with his finals decreased production and no fmvps or defense accolades dosnt put him anywhere near lebron imo

[Roundball_Rock]

Yeah I don't think Curry can be right behind LeBron but it could be like LeBron finishing 2nd or 3rd and Curry being the next fro the era at 12th or something ahead of KD, Kawhi. I can also see scenarios where Kawhi or KD are the second guy after LeBron.

I have LeBron 4th and unless he plays 25 dominant seasons I can't get him past KAJ or MJ but could see him getting to 3rd on my list. Most people, though, already have him 1st or 2nd. It probably is 2:1 with him being 2nd instead of 1st. He may be able to close the gap some but that is a large gap for a 35 year old to overcome, which is unlikely. Which is why the insecurity of MJ stans is amusing. LeBron will gain but is unlikely to overtake MJ at this point.

Maybe this shifts when there is a new generation that grew up watching or covering LeBron instead of the MJ crowd in the media but that is speculation. We will have to see what happens and also factor in how the new GOAT candidate (probably Giannis, maybe Luka) is assessed against MJ, LeBron, KAJ by that generation of media.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Borderline top 70

I agree with 3balls takes on Curry

[Tobio-Star]

Trae nor Lillard have an argument over him whatsoever. I'd say he's in the top 10-15 when it's all said and done, 2 MVPs and 3 rings is a phenomenal feat. Especially for a point guard.

Not so much when you only win against injured teams or with an op team.

He is definitely far from top 15 or 20

[Bronbron23]

Yeah I don't think Curry can be right behind LeBron but it could be like LeBron finishing 2nd or 3rd and Curry being the next fro the era at 12th or something ahead of KD, Kawhi. I can also see scenarios where Kawhi or KD are the second guy after LeBron.

I have LeBron 4th and unless he plays 25 dominant seasons I can't get him past KAJ or MJ but could see him getting to 3rd on my list. Most people, though, already have him 1st or 2nd. It probably is 2:1 with him being 2nd instead of 1st. He may be able to close the gap some but that is a large gap for a 35 year old to overcome, which is unlikely. Which is why the insecurity of MJ stans is amusing. LeBron will gain but is unlikely to overtake MJ at this point.

Maybe this shifts when there is a new generation that grew up watching or covering LeBron instead of the MJ crowd in the media but that is speculation. We will have to see what happens and also factor in how the new GOAT candidate (probably Giannis, maybe Luka) is assessed against MJ, LeBron, KAJ by that generation of media.

Yeah curry could jump some spots if he does more i just dont think he will. He'll be 32 soon. Thats usually when players start declining. We'll see im actually looking foward to next season and a healthy warriors team. I dont think they can win as is but Steph and the warriors will definitely make the nba more exciting.

[Axe]

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I doubt you have mj at top

[Stephonit]

Yeah curry could jump some spots if he does more i just dont think he will. He'll be 32 soon. Thats usually when players start declining. We'll see im actually looking foward to next season and a healthy warriors team. I dont think they can win as is but Steph and the warriors will definitely make the nba more exciting.

If there is something that's going to stop Steph it may be the league catching up to the Warriors. They forced the league to improve in a way I cannot remember another team doing.

[LAmbruh]

If there is something that's going to stop Steph it may be the league catching up to the Warriors. They forced the league to improve in a way I cannot remember another team doing.

Or in this years case, only Klay being out

[Bronbron23]

If there is something that's going to stop Steph it may be the league catching up to the Warriors. They forced the league to improve in a way I cannot remember another team doing.

Well yes and no. Id say lebron forced the warriors to change actually. The warriors front office and Draymond obviously had no faith in steph and the team after the choke job in 16. They immediately went out and picked up the second best player 8n the league. That then made them a power house and then yeah teams had to adjust.

Now they're are gonna have to adjust again. Theres no way they're gonna win against teams like the Clippers or lakers. Even the raps and Celtics will give them problems. They can definitely compete as is but they cant win. They'll either need a way better bench or another superstar.

[Stephonit]

Well yes and no. Id say lebron forced the warriors to change actually. The warriors front office and Draymond obviously had no faith in steph and the team after the choke job in 16. They immediately went out and picked up the second best player 8n the league. That then made them a power house and then yeah teams had to adjust.

Now they're are gonna have to adjust again. Theres no way they're gonna win against teams like the Clippers or lakers. Even the raps and Celtics will give them problems. They can definitely compete as is but they cant win. They'll either need a way better bench or another superstar.

Saying "there's no way they're going to win against teams like the Clippers or Lakers" is utterly foolish. They're not quite the same but I would never write-off against anyone a championship team that is the best regular season team of all-time.

[SamuraiSWISH]

3rd best PG ever

1) Magic
2) Zeke
3) Curry
4) Stockton
5) CP3
6) Kidd
7) GP
8) Nash

[Bronbron23]

Saying "there's no way they're going to win against teams like the Clippers or Lakers" is utterly foolish. They're not quite the same but I would never write-off against anyone a championship team that is the best regular season team of all-time.

Its not foolish at all dude this isnt the same team for a bunch of reasons.

For one, that 16 team had a very good bench. One of the best in the league if i reacall correctly. Now its probably one of the worst.

Second, klay is coming off of a pretty serious injury. Not everyone comes back the same from that especially at 30.

Third, they're not the same defensively. Draymond is not the same guy and they lost a few other key defensive pieces.

And fourth steph is most likely at the start of his decline so he wont be the same player as the guy in 16.

Now add that up with the fact that teams in the west got better and its actually foolish to think otherwise. Problem is steph stans think the pre kd warriors were a product of stephs greatness but it was much more than that. He was a big part but all the things i mentioned were just as important to their success. Take that away and their nowhere close to the same team. Like i said they either need another superstar or they need a much better bench.

[Stephonit]

Its not foolish at all dude this isnt the same team for a bunch of reasons.

For one, that 16 team had a very good bench. One of the best in the league if i reacall correctly. Now its probably one of the worst.

Second, klay is coming off of a pretty serious injury. Not everyone comes back the same from that especially at 30.

Third, they're not the same defensively. Draymond is not the same guy and they lost a few other key defensive pieces.

And fourth steph is most likely at the start of his decline so he wont be the same player as the guy in 16.

Now add that up with the fact that teams in the west got better and its actually foolish to think otherwise. Problem is steph stans think the pre kd warriors were a product of stephs greatness but it was much more than that. He was a big part but all the things i mentioned were just as important to their success. Take that away and their nowhere close to the same team. Like i said they either need another superstar or they need a much better bench.

As you say there are many negative headwinds. On the other hand if the Warriors win despite these hurdles, the upside for Curry's legacy is quite high. He wins twice and I think MJ will be worried. It would be far more impressive to win against the likes of a Kawhi and Giannis in their prime than a prime Gary Payton, Tim Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning.

[Bronbron23]

As you say there are many negative headwinds. On the other hand if the Warriors win despite these hurdles, the upside for Curry's legacy is quite high. He wins twice and I think MJ will be worried. It would be far more impressive to win against the likes of a Kawhi and Giannis in their prime than a prime Gary Payton or Glen Rice.

Sure if he does it would be huge for curry. Of course he could lose the fmvp again to klay or someone else and then that gets a bit complicated.

As far mj being scared thats just crazy talk. He is so far behind mj in literally everything i dont why you would even say something like that. Steph has no chance in hell to ever catch mj.

[Stephonit]

Sure if he does it would be huge for curry. Of course he could lose the fmvp again to klay or someone else and then that gets a bit complicated.

As far mj being scared thats just crazy talk. He is so far behind mj in literally everything i dont why you would even say something like that. Steph has no chance in hell to ever catch mj.

MJ battled it out in his later years with a bunch of his fellow dinosaurs while teamed up with arguably the best player of the immediate class behind them in Pippen. Also avoided playing the most celebrated player other than himself from his own cohort. Victories over a more impressive group of players in their prime than Jordan faced would give Curry a leg up.

[Axe]

I doubt if stephen curry can finally win an fmvp award for the rest of his career

[Stephonit]

I doubt if stephen curry can finally win an fmvp award for the rest of his career

If he's too big a threat to Jordan they'll probably give it to anyone else even it means making a laughingstock of their award.

[Lebron23]

If he's too big a threat to Jordan they'll probably give it to anyone else even it means making a laughingstock of their award.

He better stop recruiting players that are better than him. He ain't going to win an nba finals mvp if someone puts better numbers than him

[Axe]

If he's too big a threat to Jordan they'll probably give it to anyone else even it means making a laughingstock of their award.
We're not talking about baldan here but curry had his chances to get his first one in the last 5 years yet at age 32, he still has nothing yet.

[Bronbron23]

MJ battled it out in his later years with a bunch of his fellow dinosaurs while teamed up with arguably the best player of the immediate class behind them in Pippen. Also avoided playing the most celebrated player other than himself from his own cohort. Victories over a more impressive group of players in their prime than Jordan faced would give Curry a leg up.

no it wouldn't dude. I dont even have the energy to list all the reasons why mj is miles ahead of curry. I really shouldn't have too.

[Axe]

no it wouldn't dude. I dont even have the energy to list all the reasons why mj is miles ahead of curry. I really shouldn't have too.
I know this is shitty but he's trying to downplay the fact that baldan is the first and still the only fmvp from a 70-win team in the league.

[Bronbron23]

I know this is shitty but he's trying to downplay the fact that baldan is the first and still the only fmvp from a 70-win team in the league.

Yeah but its not even just that its literally everything. Mj has way more mvps and fmvps. He has way more chips. Way more scoring titles way more defensive teams. Way more clutch shots. Shit as a point gaurd steph dosnt even have more than 1 assist a game in the post season. Its mj by a landslide.

[Axe]

Yeah but its not even just that its literally everything. Mj has way more mvps and fmvps. He has way more chips. Way more scoring titles way more defensive teams. Way more clutch shots. Shit as a point gaurd steph dosnt even have more than 1 assist a game in the post season. Its mj by a landslide.
It's a poor thing tho that the mudslingers wouldn't recognize any of these.

[Bronbron23]

It's a poor thing tho that the mudslingers wouldn't recognize any of these.

yeah i dont even mind Stephonit. He seems alright for the most part. He talking f*ckery with this one though

[Stephonit]

Do you guys watch the stupidity perpetuated by the media? Any objective observer would consider anything they say as suspect. Why their awards should be given any value you guys can explain to me and I'm the fan of the only unanimous MVP winner in history.

I remember watching segments of those stupid shows last year after KD went down and they were doing also sorts of maneuvers to avoid saying Steph was the best player in the world. They gave him back-to-back MVPs and the only unanimous one ever and they cannot even arrive at the natural conclusion arising from that? They were suggesting Steph and Klay were underdogs against Harden and CP3? They were suggesting Dame and CJ had a chance against the Warriors? They looked like communist party propagandists squirming to avoid offending the Communist Party.

Stephen Curry is the best player in the world. He has been the best player in the world the past 5 years. The truly remarkable thing is how scared everyone is to acknowledge it.

[Axe]

Like how baldan was simply winless without pj and pip, your gerbil curry was also winless without steve kerr and klay.

[Stephonit]

Like how baldan was simply winless without pj and pip, your gerbil curry was also winless without steve kerr and klay.

Steve Kerr the rookie coach? Klay who hasn't played on an NBA team without Curry? Being compared to Jordan is supposed to be bad now?

[SATAN]

I'd put him just behind Mark Price.

[Axe]

Steve Kerr the rookie coach? Klay who hasn't played on an NBA team without Curry? Being compared to Jordan is supposed to be bad now?
Not exactly but you know, a team can't become a dynasty based on one franchise player alone, right?