Is Rudy Toody the worst DPOY ever?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

This french croissant gets his shit pushed in every playoff and we supposed to believe he's DPOY :roll::roll:

It's always excuses. Oh it's the Warriors, oh it's the Rockets oh it's Jokic. Nah nikka u just suck and are a system defender:no:

[Xiao Yao You]

the trolls are out!

[imdaman99]

I have a bigger problem with them trying to run the offense through him. No he can't make the same passes Jokic can even with Jokic's eyes closed.

[Smoke117]

If we're talking just about big men then I would say Tyson Chandler is the worst.

[Rudeboy3]

Baguette Biyombo is a fraud

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

If we're talking just about big men then I would say Tyson Chandler is the worst.

Chandler's defense was key to a team's title run

Rudy can't go through a single series without getting exposed

[Xiao Yao You]

I have a bigger problem with them trying to run the offense through him. No he can't make the same passes Jokic can even with Jokic's eyes closed.

But he sets the best picks and is the best roll man in the game.

[Xiao Yao You]

Chandler's defense was key to a team's title run

Rudy can't go through a single series without getting exposed

He hasn't been exposed. One guy can only do so much. It is a team game.

They got beat by one of the best teams ever the Warriors when he, Favors and Hill were hurt.

Got beat by the Rockets because they couldn't make an open shot because Rubio and Favors were spotting up in the corners not someone that can actually shoot.

They lost one game this year where he shut down the Nuggets in the 3rd to give them a chance

[LoneyROY7]

Rudy Toody is good at one thing: rim protection.

Outside of that, he just has too many other deficiencies in his game.

[Xiao Yao You]

Rudy Toody is good at one thing: rim protection.

Outside of that, he just has too many other deficiencies in his game.

He's good at defense from anywhere. Great rebounder at both ends. Great pick and roller.

What are these weaknesses that are so numerable?

[Smoke117]

He's good at defense from anywhere. Great rebounder at both ends. Great pick and roller.

What are these weaknesses that are so numerable?

Seems like you get a lot of people who see a few jazz games and then think they are experts on Rudy. Most of the comments on him (like Loney's) are idiotic.

[Xiao Yao You]

Seems like you get a lot of people who see a few jazz games and then think they are experts on Rudy. Most of the comments on him (like Loney's) are idiotic.

they're trolls. One play, one game and they make a statement to cover a guys game

[LoneyROY7]

Seems like you get a lot of people who see a few jazz games and then think they are experts on Rudy. Most of the comments on him (like Loney's) are idiotic.

Smokey always so concerned about me. :oldlol:

[BigtimeNBAFan]

No, Marcus Camby couldn't stop a wet blanket in the 2007-2008 season.

[tpols]

Not his defense thats the problem. With his size and athleticism, and general coordination there's zero excuse he hasn't added a 15 foot jumper, or post game to his offensive arsenal. Why can't you learn to catch the ball in the post and do a quick 1-2 dribble pivot move into a hook shot? Why cant you be trusted to hit a 17 foot jumper off the PnR? His lack of offense puts a tremendous pressure on the guards he constantly sets screens for when other playoff centers in the league can space properly, and make a move when needed.

[Xiao Yao You]

Not his defense thats the problem. With his size and athleticism, and general coordination there's zero excuse he hasn't added a 15 foot jumper, or post game to his offensive arsenal. Why can't you learn to catch the ball in the post and do a quick 1-2 dribble pivot move into a hook shot? Why cant you be trusted to hit a 17 foot jumper off the PnR? His lack of offense puts a tremendous pressure on the guards he constantly sets screens for when other playoff centers in the league can space properly, and make a move when needed.

He has a 15 foot jumper and his hook has looked better and better. They don't want that. They want 3's or dunks not postups or mid range. Only time he gets a chance at the hook is off the offensive glass. He had 4 today

He doesn't lack offense. They are going to get an easy look rather it's at the rim or on the perimeter. You drop down on him there will be 4 shooters spotting up. If you lock them down he will be open at the rim. Offense isn't their problem anymore. They need help defensively now. Finally built a proper offense around him but now are too small. Today was the first time they have started a true PF next to him all season! He only had 7 rebounds today but they easily out rebounded Denver

[SATAN]

Worst ever? No way. Most unlikable? Maybe. I can't see him as anyone else than the guy who cried because he wasn't voted an all star... :roll:

The moron with covid who touched the mics.. :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Worst ever? No way. Most unlikable? Maybe. I can't see him as anyone else than the guy who cried because he wasn't voted an all star... :roll:

The moron with covid who touched the mics.. :roll:

and now months later we still have mrons refusing to wear masks and this thing won't go away

[999Guy]

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[Gohan]

No, Marcus Camby couldn't stop a wet blanket in the 2007-2008 season.

He’s the real reason nuggets got swept by lakers. Pau gasol butt f$$ked him. It wasn’t Billups that made that nugget team better it was a healthy nene. Iverson would of gotten to the conference finals with that same team

[Manny98]

:facepalm

[NBAGOAT]

This guys giving nikelrg a run for his money with these predictions

[MrFonzworth]

Not his defense thats the problem. With his size and athleticism, and general coordination there's zero excuse he hasn't added a 15 foot jumper, or post game to his offensive arsenal. Why can't you learn to catch the ball in the post and do a quick 1-2 dribble pivot move into a hook shot? Why cant you be trusted to hit a 17 foot jumper off the PnR? His lack of offense puts a tremendous pressure on the guards he constantly sets screens for when other playoff centers in the league can space properly, and make a move when needed.

This. JaVale McGee has been working on his offense, why can't Rudy?

[Xiao Yao You]

Way to dominate Rudy! :cheers:

[Gray GOAT]

:roll: This clown is wrong about EVERYTHING.

[imdaman99]

No. Rudy is a solid defensive player. I would say Chandler.

But OP continues to be the biggest Jazz fan on this forum. Believe he's made at least 10 times more thread on the Jazz than our boy xiao :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

No. Rudy is a solid defensive player. I would say Chandler.

But OP continues to be the biggest Jazz fan on this forum. Believe he's made at least 10 times more thread on the Jazz than our boy xiao :lol

replace fan with troll and you are spot on :cheers:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

:roll: This clown is wrong about EVERYTHING.


This guys giving nikelrg a run for his money with these predictions

Denver is averaging a 122 offensive rating for the series and Jokic 26/8/5 on 52/47/77. Rudy Toody aint doing shit on defense like every postseason hes in. This is a pure offensive series and DMitch has outplayed Rudy badly

[Xiao Yao You]

Denver is averaging a 122 offensive rating for the series and Jokic 26/8/5 on 52/47/77. Rudy Toody aint doing shit on defense like every postseason hes in. This is a pure offensive series and DMitch has outplayed Rudy badly

If Mitchell played D it would be a lot different. Jazz have had at least one good quarter of D in every game. Had a whole half in one and a whole game in another. It's a team sport and Gobert's team is up 3-2 :cheers:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

If Mitchell played D it would be a lot different. Jazz have had at least one good quarter of D in every game. Had a whole half in one and a whole game in another. It's a team sport and Gobert's team is up 3-2 :cheers:

3-3 babyboi

Where is Rudy Toodys defense this series? Yeah its nowhere. 11pts the last 2 games too LMAO. Better hope his mythical defense can make an impact game 7

DMitch >>>> Rudy Toody

[Xiao Yao You]

3-3 babyboi

Where is Rudy Toodys defense this series? Yeah its nowhere. 11pts the last 2 games too LMAO. Better hope his mythical defense can make an impact game 7

DMitch >>>> Rudy Toody

He can't guard everyone

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

He can't guard everyone

Isnt he guarding Jokic?

26/7/6 on 51% shooting, 49% from 3

:oldlol:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

He can't guard everyone

Where you at babyboi

Your "DPOY" just let this man have 30/14/4 in a game 7 and hit the game winner in his croissant visage

Dont EVER test me again

[Whoah10115]

Isnt he guarding Jokic?

26/7/6 on 51% shooting, 49% from 3

:oldlol:

Well you should probably watch more and quote stats less.

Dig up Russell vs Wilt and tell us about how Russell wasn't that good a defender.

[Xiao Yao You]

Where you at babyboi

Your "DPOY" just let this man have 30/14/4 in a game 7 and hit the game winner in his croissant visage

Dont EVER test me again

He dominated the 2nd half. They lost that one in the first half. You'd know that if you watched instead of trolled

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

He dominated the 2nd half. They lost that one in the first half. You'd know that if you watched instead of trolled

Jokic had 21 of Denvers 30 2nd half points

and hit the game and series winner in Rudy Toodys face

lmfao

[Carbine]

Well you should probably watch more and quote stats less.

Dig up Russell vs Wilt and tell us about how Russell wasn't that good a defender.

Russell held Wilt to below his standards and beat Wilt almost all the time - Jokic is out here putting up way better numbers against Rudy than his Reg Sea averages.

[Whoah10115]

Russell held Wilt to below his standards and beat Wilt almost all the time - Jokic is out here putting up way better numbers against Rudy than his Reg Sea averages.

Fair. But Wilt also had huge series against Russell. Plus, Wilt regularly dropped in the playoffs. A lot of that had included those Celtics series, but that wasn't all of it.

Nonetheless, Rudy Gobert is a great defensive player because he impacts the whole team, rather than just shutting down one guy.

[NuggetsFan]

He dominated the 2nd half. They lost that one in the first half. You'd know that if you watched instead of trolled

Gobert played great. He had a good series.

Not even you are delusional to deny that Jokic absolutely crushed this game. I mean he hit the game winner in his face?

[Xiao Yao You]

Fair. But Wilt also had huge series against Russell. Plus, Wilt regularly dropped in the playoffs. A lot of that had included those Celtics series, but that wasn't all of it.

Nonetheless, Rudy Gobert is a great defensive player because he impacts the whole team, rather than just shutting down one guy.

someone understands. They were letting Jokic gets his all series. Murray they were trying to slow down and they did a couple of games

[Xiao Yao You]

Add it all together — Gobert’s good games, bad games and that ridiculously dominant half — and it’s hard to find Rudy too culpable of this first-round loss. His scoring was up — 16.9 points per game, on similar usage to his career norms — and Utah outscored Denver by 5.2 points per 100 possessions while Gobert was on the floor. Denver’s top-five offense and super-skilled star center post some unique challenges for Gobert, but he was still able to key a defense that held the Nuggets to the third fewest rim attempts and third worst rim accuracy among playoff teams, per Cleaning the Glass (https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/league/shots?season=2019&seasontype=playoffs&start=10/1/2019&end=09/1/2020#tab-offense_shooting_frequency). For the regular season, he finished seventh in RAPTOR Wins Above Replacement (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-player-ratings/) (a 538 metric), basically trailing the league’s tpo six megastars. Fifth in Win Shares, 12th in VORP, 10th in Real Plus-Minus — by just about any measure, Gobert is a top-12 impact player, and probably should be talked about with other borderline MVP candidates.




:bowdown:

[Sulico]

He's very good defender and been that for years. He's absolutely not the worst DPOY ever.

He's just not Nikola Jokic.

Jokic is the best big man in the game, people just sometimes forget about that and need a reminder.

[Xiao Yao You]

He's very good defender and been that for years. He's absolutely not the worst DPOY ever.

He's just not Nikola Jokic.

Jokic is the best big man in the game, people just sometimes forget about that and need a reminder.

and yet the Jazz outplayed the Nuggets when he was on the floor

[Sulico]

and yet the Jazz outplayed the Nuggets when he was on the floor

Plus/minus or On/Off are a tricky stats and they don't really mean anything in sample sizes less than few full seasons.

[Xiao Yao You]

Plus/minus or On/Off are a tricky stats and they don't really mean anything in sample sizes less than few full seasons.

Agreed

Riley Gisseman


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Since both were drafted, Nikola Jokic and Rudy Gobert have shared the court for 566 possessions. The point differential in those possessions is 1 for Gobert. One point.


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Riley Gisseman


@rgiss11




Friendly reminder than since he was drafted, Rudy Gobert is a +5.8 NetRtg swing. 27,000 possessions. +5.8 is roughly 15.5 wins per year.



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A single point. After all the battles and moments, big shots and signature blocks, one point separates this duo. In 14 head-to-head matchups, the win count is 8-6 in favor of Gobert. The Stifle Tower took the first three. Then they split the next four. Jokic got the next one, then Gobert reeled off another three straight. Jokic took all three this season, all in games decided by one to two possessions. They just can’t escape each other, just as two opposite poles of a magnet have a hard time gaining separation.


That was before the series

[Xiao Yao You]

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KAT! :roll:

[Whoah10115]

KAT! :roll:

KAT is a star. If he's better or worse than Gobert it's irrelevant. He's a big name and a scorer. Plus he can play PF and is an elite 3point shooter.

[Xiao Yao You]

KAT is a star. If he's better or worse than Gobert it's irrelevant. He's a big name and a scorer. Plus he can play PF and is an elite 3point shooter.

When Towns can carry a team to wins he'll be in the conversation. Until then he's just empty stats.

[NBAGOAT]

When Towns can carry a team to wins he'll be in the conversation. Until then he's just empty stats.

when kat played with butler, they were a 50+ win team when healthy and goberts team have always been in that range. he hasnt had a remotely good roster besides that year

[Xiao Yao You]

when kat played with butler, they were a 50+ win team when healthy and goberts team have always been in that range. he hasnt had a remotely good roster besides that year

Yeah Butler carried them. Too bad Towns was too big of a *****

Gobert's team was tanking when he emerged. He instantly made them good. When he's been out for significant time they have sucked.

I like Towns but he's noting but stats until he proves otherwise

[Whoah10115]

When Towns can carry a team to wins he'll be in the conversation. Until then he's just empty stats.

Again, that has nothing to do with it.

Towns is a star in the league, deserve's got nothing to do with it. Gobert is not an obvious star.

[Xiao Yao You]

Again, that has nothing to do with it.

Towns is a star in the league, deserve's got nothing to do with it. Gobert is not an obvious star.

I'll take the guy that wins games for you over the guy that doesn't. It's Embiid, Jokic, Gobert than everyone else

[Whoah10115]

I'll take the guy that wins games for you over the guy that doesn't. It's Embiid, Jokic, Gobert than everyone else

But this has nothing to do with the quote you posted.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Jokic career high lmfaoooo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErD1ErOVQAAJ7KM?format=jpg&name=large

Baguette Biyombo back at it again

[Xiao Yao You]

Again, that has nothing to do with it.

Towns is a star in the league, deserve's got nothing to do with it. Gobert is not an obvious star.

I'll take the non obvious star and wins over ping balls anyday :facepalm

[RRR3]

I'll take the non obvious star and wins over ping balls anyday :facepalm
So who would you take...AD or Gobert?

[999Guy]

Rudy Toody?

[Xiao Yao You]

Rudy Toody?

trolls doing their thing

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

if Baguette Biyombo has 3 DPOYs and the same amount as Hakeem, Robinson and Duncan combined :milton:biggums:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

[coastalmarker99]

:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

Good lord is he soft.

[Spurs m8]

Worst dpoy and the worst 200m I've ever seen spent

Hes absolutely fleeced the Jazz

[RRR3]

He just got barbecued :roll:

[tanibanana]

He is a great rim protector... but he is like a 10-piece puzzle so easy to solve.
Pull him out of the paint, and put him on skates..
His defense is perfect for zone defense, but below average for 1on1.

[RRR3]

Agreed

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@rgiss11


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Since both were drafted, Nikola Jokic and Rudy Gobert have shared the court for 566 possessions. The point differential in those possessions is 1 for Gobert. One point.


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Riley Gisseman


@rgiss11




Friendly reminder than since he was drafted, Rudy Gobert is a +5.8 NetRtg swing. 27,000 possessions. +5.8 is roughly 15.5 wins per year.



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That was before the series
“But but but +/- is a terrible stat”-xiao


Look at him using it when it suits his agenda. Crickets when +/- says the Jazz are better with Whiteside tho.