Bob Cousy hitting 20 foot floaters.

[Kblaze8855]

Watch from 2:10 on if you don’t have time for it all.




https://youtu.be/bFaTPmzoI34




Those are some nice ass shots. Probably looked real ugly when he missed which im sure he did a lot of since he shot 35%.....but still nice.

[Kblaze8855]

And watching his wild shot selection brings to mind people arguing about who is and is not a real point guard. Cousy was among the first people to inspire even using the term to differentiate between kinds of guards and he was a scorer. Led the nba in shot attempts while shooting like 37%.

So who was this mythical non scoring point who makes guys now call people like Kyrie, Dame, and Steph shooting guards? It wasn’t Cousy. It wasn’t 30ppg Oscar after him or 20/5 Frazier who was a post fade specialist who mostly shined as a scorer and defender. It wasn’t Pistol Pete and his 30 a game and 4-6 assists while leading the league in turnovers. Wasn’t Tiny and his 34/11. Who was this mythical primarily passing non scoring point to make people think points aren’t supposed to score?

Magic who came in as a 2 guard and was a 23/11/8 guy at his peak playing 5 positions? Isiah?

Who was it to make people say real points are passers not scorers?


Lenny Wilkens, Stockton, Nash, and Kidd.

That about it? Pretty much all the rest were scorers. Some scorers who passed a lot too but being a scorer has never meant you weren’t a point. It usually meant you were the best one.

[post]

maurice cheeks, mark jackson, muggsy bogues all averaged under 10 fga for their career like stockton

[Kblaze8855]

Yea the second and third tier guys generally do that. Great points usually score a lot because their offenses have that built into the game plan. And executing the game plan is their job. Not shooting. Not passing. Running the offense. If the offense is designed for you to shoot a lot....you should shoot a lot.

[Whoah10115]

Yea the second and third tier guys generally do that. Great points usually score a lot because their offenses have that built into the game plan. And executing the game plan is their job. Not shooting. Not passing. Running the offense. If the offense is designed for you to shoot a lot....you should shoot a lot.

Well Steph kinda plays like a 2 guard. It's just that his handles, his release, his intellectual and unselfishness, and that decent jump shot allow him to be him. Dame a straight up PG.

Kyrie is too, he's just an asshole.

[post]

Yea the second and third tier guys generally do that. Great points usually score a lot because their offenses have that built into the game plan. And executing the game plan is their job. Not shooting. Not passing. Running the offense. If the offense is designed for you to shoot a lot....you should shoot a lot.

yeah there are different ways to be great

stockton, cheeks, jackson, and bogues were all overachievers

[3ball]

no one played the same in previous eras because the lack of spacing required everyone to develop their own way of making shots.. otoh, today's spacing allows mostly open shots, so everyone looks the same... No 20-foot floaters needed

[iamgine]

Point guard is just a role that people associate with certain skills. They are associated with the role of handling the ball and facilitating teammates. Shooting guards are associated with shooting, scoring and off ball movement. I think Curry has point guard skills but a lot of times he plays the shooting guard role on offense. So it wouldn't be wrong to call him more of a shooting guard.

[post]

andy phillip averaged under 10 fga for his career, lead the league in assists in 50, 51, and 52, 5 time all star, 2 time all nba

looks like the prototype

[HylianNightmare]

ANciEnT bAsKeTbAlL

[post]

phillip starts at 55 seconds


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfeveQOHTao

[rawimpact]

I can only imagine how fun these games would have been to watch before the prohibition. Such stupid circus shots it'd feel like we're watching the special Olympics.

[post]

frazier on stockton

"the main thing about a point guard is he looks to dish before he looks to swish"

cousy on stockton

"well that's the heart and soul of his game because i associate that with the way the point guard position is played. you know john comes over half court thinking how am i going to set something up for one of the other four guys rather than thinking what am i going to do for myself"

barkley on stockton

"i think john stockton is the perfect point guard"

wilt on stockton

"i think he's the most complete person at his position"

[tpols]

I still dont understand why old time players didn't dribble with their left hand... they keep forcing right. Why not... go left and throw the defender a curve ball? Make him guess which way you're gonna go? Combined with the baby deer jumper form it's so obvious that guards from cousy's era were a joke and would be shit on today. Big men is another story... physical freaks like Wilt, Russell, and Kareem would dominate any era and didn't need good dribbling to do it. But the guards from back then were just laughably bad.

[Kblaze8855]

I still dont understand why old time players didn't dribble with their left hand... they keep forcing right. Why not... go left and throw the defender a curve ball? Make him guess which way you're gonna go? Combined with the baby deer jumper form it's so obvious that guards from cousy's era were a joke and would be shit on today. Big men is another story... physical freaks like Wilt, Russell, and Kareem would dominate any era and didn't need good dribbling to do it. But the guards from back then were just laughably bad.


Gaze if you will at the Harlem globetrotters creating racism in sports:



https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BriskConsiderateHoiho-size_restricted.gif


No wonder they wouldn’t let Cleo Hill style on the league. Bob Pettit personally got him blackballed and the coach who wanted to play him fired. Can’t have all that ethnic swagger on the floor. Handles were set back by a generation.


Earl Monroe came in and started all that playground Black Jesus shit again and had things back on track.

[Gohan]

Damn!! He busted out the handles on those boys!

[oldtimer28]

Watch from 2:10 on if you don’t have time for it all.




https://youtu.be/bFaTPmzoI34




Those are some nice ass shots. Probably looked real ugly when he missed which im sure he did a lot of since he shot 35%.....but still nice.

cool hook shots. note his runners were wrong footed too.

[Marchesk]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BriskConsiderateHoiho-size_restricted.gif

No wonder they wouldn’t let Cleo Hill style on the league.

That's without palming and carrying the ball. Too bad he got blackballed. Him, Cousy, Oscar and Guy Rogers had great handles despite having to dribble on top of the ball. Baylor I think is the one in the pros who started to bend the dribbling rules a bit.

[Gudo]

Given what they were only allowed to do, that is impressive handles by cousy.

[post]

Gaze if you will at the Harlem globetrotters creating racism in sports:



https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BriskConsiderateHoiho-size_restricted.gif


No wonder they wouldn’t let Cleo Hill style on the league. Bob Pettit personally got him blackballed and the coach who wanted to play him fired. Can’t have all that ethnic swagger on the floor. Handles were set back by a generation.


Earl Monroe came in and started all that playground Black Jesus shit again and had things back on track.

"It wasn't racial," Hill told The Star-Ledger in 2008. "It was points. They never said anything to me. But they knew there were getting paid for the points they scored. And here I was, taking their points."

don't know whether it was racial but he says it wasn't. both racism and points=dollars are plausible sounding explanations

it's also plausible he couldn't cut it on the nba level considering he shot 8% below league average from the field which makes cousy look efficient by comparison

pettit, hagan, and lovellette were all better scoring options

[tpols]

Damn!! He busted out the handles on those boys!


Gaze if you will at the Harlem globetrotters creating racism in sports:



https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BriskConsiderateHoiho-size_restricted.gif


No wonder they wouldn’t let Cleo Hill style on the league. Bob Pettit personally got him blackballed and the coach who wanted to play him fired. Can’t have all that ethnic swagger on the floor. Handles were set back by a generation.


Earl Monroe came in and started all that playground Black Jesus shit again and had things back on track.

:roll:

I was with it until he got on his knees. That was ridiculous clowning lmao. But even in that gif, you see the most dribbles he'll take with his left is 1-2 before forcing right again. It's amazing to me that they didn't think to just... go left. It would probably blow the defenders mind.