Wuhan Pool Party

[Nanners]

While most major US cities are still experiencing some kind of lockdown, and tens of millions have spent the past ~6 months quaking in fear in their homes, things seem to be back to normal at ground zero for the global pandemic

https://www.wionews.com/world/china-state-newspapers-support-wuhan-park-pool-party-after-pictures-go-viral-321794

https://cdn.wionews.com/sites/default/files/styles/story_page/public/2020/08/20/155524-wuhan-pool-party.jpg?itok=HVJQVhw4

Pretty amazing, despite being the origin of the outbreak, despite only locking down one of their cities (that city being Wuhan - whose lockdown ended ~4 months ago on april 8th), despite being the most populated country on the planet with many hundreds of millions living in some of the worlds densest cities, China has had a grand total of 4.6k covid deaths... compare that to 6.6k deaths for the US state of Michigan (China has 140 residents for every one person in Michigan).

China doesnt have a vaccine, they dont have any miracle cures (aside from the evil and dangerous hydroxycloriquine), and yet somehow they have managed to defeat a virus that originated in their country and spread for ~2 months before it was even detected... truly an amazing accomplishment for a country that has several of the largest and densest cities on the planet - cities that are tied together by more miles of bullet train tracks than the entire rest of the world combined, cities where the vast majority of people use public transit every single day, and cities that did not lockdown in any meaningful way (aside from Wuhan).

The US supposedly has 44 covid deaths for every 1 person who has died in China, in spite of the fact that the US has less than 1/4th of the population of China (and happens to be on the other side of the planet).... makes perfect sense when you stop and think about it.

[MrFonzworth]

Well for starters it originated in the US not China.

[Nanners]

Well for starters it originated in the US not China.

Thats not what Dr Bill Gates says... what are you some kind of conspiracy theorist?

[AintNoSunshine]

Well because contrary to western belief that China is a totalitarian state or dictatorship or whatever, one man doesn't make decisions like whether to shut down a country or not. Whereas in the U.S. a stupid and sick man seemingly can make whatever decisions he likes and no one else can seem to do anything about it. Really think about it.

[bobopenguin]

Thats not what Dr Bill Gates says... what are you some kind of conspiracy theorist?

he is a pro china activist.

[Nanners]

he is a pro china activist.

How dare you... in addition to be a highly trained and respected medical professional, and a global expert on contagious disease, Doctor Bill is also a philanthropist and all-around american hero.

But you dont have to take my word for it, just ask the tribal girls of india - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2908963/Judges-demand-answers-children-die-controversial-cancer-vaccine-trial-India.html

[bladefd]

Holy crappp, Trump needs to go for keeping the country locked down!! Biden will open up the country once he takes office and things will improve as a whole.

[Doomsday Dallas]

makes perfect sense when you stop and think about it.

Still makes perfect sense to me.

Nothing unusual here.

[~primetime~]

It actually looks like it could be the norm...NYC is on the verge of their own pool party, they are having single digit deaths now...some days no deaths at all...covid is close to being vanished there.

https://cdn.cms.prod.nypr.digital/images/New_Deaths.2e16d0ba.fill-634x476.jpg

Some cities in the US are ramping up, some are going down...India is ramping up big...they aren't all part of some global conspiracy :facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

It actually looks like it could be the norm...NYC is on the verge of their own pool party, they are having single digit deaths now...some days no deaths at all...covid is close to being vanished there.

https://cdn.cms.prod.nypr.digital/images/New_Deaths.2e16d0ba.fill-634x476.jpg

Some cities in the US are ramping up, some are going down...India is ramping up big...they aren't all part of some global conspiracy :facepalm

You mean I can be having a pool party right now??

[Nanners]

It actually looks like it could be the norm...NYC is on the verge of their own pool party, they are having single digit deaths now...some days no deaths at all...covid is close to being vanished there.

https://cdn.cms.prod.nypr.digital/images/New_Deaths.2e16d0ba.fill-634x476.jpg

Some cities in the US are ramping up, some are going down...India is ramping up big...they aren't all part of some global conspiracy :facepalm

Sure they are... wake me up when NY allows restaraunts to serve food indoors :oldlol:

FFS NY still requires all residents to wear a mask whenever they are in a public place... how many masks do you see at that Wuhan pool party?

Also, lets not forget that NY state has had 32.5k covid deaths compared to the 4.6k in all of China, despite the fact that there are 74 chinese citizens for every one NY state resident... NY is not exactly a success story lol

[~primetime~]

Wuhan has zero cases...when they had a small handful they went through another lockdown

also all residents were required to install a phone app that tracks movement of positive cases so that everyone could see via GPS where positive cases had been.

also no one could come into or leave the city...they were trapped in there

they are extremists...



all that said...NY should be 100% open for business by now...they have gotten over the hump

[Nanners]

Wuhan has zero cases...when they had a small handful they went through another lockdown

also all residents were required to install a phone app that tracks movement of positive cases so that everyone could see via GPS where positive cases had been.

also no one could come into or leave the city...they were trapped in there

they are extremists...

And what about every other major city in China?

How did Shanghai have only 7 total covid deaths with a population of 34m (almost as many as the entire state of California) and no lockdown whatsoever?

How did Bejing have only 9 total covid deaths with a population of 24m and no lockdown whatsoever?

The two mega cities I mentioned are connected to Wuhan by a bullet train network that carries tens or hundreds of thousands of chinamen every day, and most residents within these megacities rely on public transporation to get around... yet somehow these megacities neighboring Wuhan were almost complete unaffected by the virus that absolutely devasted NYC (which is ~10k miles away accross an enormous ocean)... makes perfect sense when you stop and think about it


all that said...NY should be 100% open for business by now...they have gotten over the hump

I agree... it never should have closed in the first place

[Shogon]

And what about every other major city in China?

How did Shanghai have only 7 total covid deaths with a population of 34m (almost as many as the entire state of California) and no lockdown whatsoever?

How did Bejing have only 9 total covid deaths with a population of 24m and no lockdown whatsoever?

The two mega cities I mentioned are connected to Wuhan by a bullet train network that carries tens or hundreds of thousands of chinamen every day, and most residents within these megacities rely on public transporation to get around... yet somehow these megacities neighboring Wuhan were almost complete unaffected by the virus that absolutely devasted NYC (which is ~10k miles away accross an enormous ocean)... makes perfect sense when you stop and think about it



I agree... it never should have closed in the first place

China probably massively under reported the numbers to save face...

The States over reported the numbers because the media and dems are hellbent on narrative driving... well the repubs are too, but it wasn't them this time.

COVID-19 is both serious and a joke (in comparison to the hype)... so... yeah... anyways...

[n00bie]

While most major US cities are still experiencing some kind of lockdown, and tens of millions have spent the past ~6 months quaking in fear in their homes, things seem to be back to normal at ground zero for the global pandemic

https://www.wionews.com/world/china-state-newspapers-support-wuhan-park-pool-party-after-pictures-go-viral-321794

https://cdn.wionews.com/sites/default/files/styles/story_page/public/2020/08/20/155524-wuhan-pool-party.jpg?itok=HVJQVhw4

Pretty amazing, despite being the origin of the outbreak, despite only locking down one of their cities (that city being Wuhan - whose lockdown ended ~4 months ago on april 8th), despite being the most populated country on the planet with many hundreds of millions living in some of the worlds densest cities, China has had a grand total of 4.6k covid deaths... compare that to 6.6k deaths for the US state of Michigan (China has 140 residents for every one person in Michigan).

China doesnt have a vaccine, they dont have any miracle cures (aside from the evil and dangerous hydroxycloriquine), and yet somehow they have managed to defeat a virus that originated in their country and spread for ~2 months before it was even detected... truly an amazing accomplishment for a country that has several of the largest and densest cities on the planet - cities that are tied together by more miles of bullet train tracks than the entire rest of the world combined, cities where the vast majority of people use public transit every single day, and cities that did not lockdown in any meaningful way (aside from Wuhan).

The US supposedly has 44 covid deaths for every 1 person who has died in China, in spite of the fact that the US has less than 1/4th of the population of China (and happens to be on the other side of the planet).... makes perfect sense when you stop and think about it.

China just handles a pandemic better than the U.S.

The virus cant spread if the govt locks you at home for a month.


Picture a farmer dealing with a bird flu outbreak. Would you seperate your flock of chickens to keep them from spreading a disease or just let the chickens roam free with each other to spread the virus?

[~primetime~]

There are huge discrepancies between US cities too...and maybe Chinese hospitals aren't reporting, that is what Trump says, but Wuhan was locked down...no one was taking bullet trains in and out...there are stories or parents who were unable to see their children for the length of covid there. Those cities might as well be other countries.

Australia has had 400 deaths total....NY had almost twice that in one day...clearly we aren't all hit equally

[n00bie]

There are huge discrepancies between US cities too...and maybe Chinese hospitals aren't reporting, that is what Trump says, but Wuhan was locked down...no one was taking bullet trains in and out...there are stories or parents who were unable to see their children for the length of covid there. Those cities might as well be other countries.

Australia has had 400 deaths total....NY had almost twice that in one day...clearly we aren't all hit equally

I'm pretty sure every country has different strains. Some are more fatal, some spread easier. That's why every country has such a big difference in their numbers.

When it comes down to it, Wuhan and China as a whole is virus free because once 1 case is reported in a city, the whole city is shut down and you can't leave your home.

If we did the same thing in the West, there would be no Coronavirus. It'll be dead. Imagine if every single person wasn't allowed to leave their house for a month. We won't see the virus again until someone comes into the country with it again.

But that will NEVER happen. If the U.S. government ever tried that, there'll be a huge revolution.

[Nanners]

China just handles a pandemic better than the U.S.

The virus cant spread if the govt locks you at home for a month.


Picture a farmer dealing with a bird flu outbreak. Would you seperate your flock of chickens to keep them from spreading a disease or just let the chickens roam free with each other to spread the virus?

What exactly makes China orders of magnitude more effective than the entire western world?

Is it lockdowns? No - China only locked down one city in the entire nation

Is it vaccines/medicine? No - there is no vaccine yet

Is it masks? No - many westerners seem to believe that Asians are always wearing masks... when the reality is that they only wear masks when they feel sick. There was never any mask mandate in China.

Is it their healthcare system? If the Chinese healthcare system is better than what we have in the US, this country has some serious problems

So tell me, what exactly is China doing to "just handle a pandemic better" than the US?

[Nanners]

There are huge discrepancies between US cities too...and maybe Chinese hospitals aren't reporting, that is what Trump says, but Wuhan was locked down...no one was taking bullet trains in and out...there are stories or parents who were unable to see their children for the length of covid there. Those cities might as well be other countries.

Wuhan was not locked down until ~2 months after the first recorded infection, and it lifted its lockdown over 4 months ago on April 8th


Australia has had 400 deaths total....NY had almost twice that in one day...clearly we aren't all hit equally

Obviously we arent all hit equally... thats the entire ****ing point of this thread - why the hell wasnt China effected by a pandemic that started within its borders and is currently devastating the entire western world?

[n00bie]

What exactly makes China orders of magnitude more effective than the entire western world?

Is it lockdowns? No - China only locked down one city in the entire nation

Is it vaccines/medicine? No - there is no vaccine yet

Is it masks? No - many westerners seem to believe that Asians are always wearing masks... when the reality is that they only wear masks when they feel sick. There was never any mask mandate in China.

Is it their healthcare system? If the Chinese healthcare system is better than what we have in the US, this country has some serious problems

So tell me, what exactly is China doing to "just handle a pandemic better" than the US?

What are you talking about? Wuhan was on a strict lockdown to the point where they welded your doors shut. They'd rather you die at home than spread the virus.

Beijing was on a lockdown with 10 new cases.

Wuhan borders were fully closed. You couldn't even leave the city. Imagine if the U.S. welded New Yorks apartment doors shut and didn't let anyone in or leave the city in the first 10 cases. The spread to the rest of the country would be drastically reduced.

Imaginge if ANY U.S. city had a military lockdown with 10 cases. We'd be down to 0 fast.

[Doomsday Dallas]

If Wuhan is already back to normal... and NY is there too....

why do we need a vaccine again?

[n00bie]

What exactly makes China orders of magnitude more effective than the entire western world?

Is it lockdowns? No - China only locked down one city in the entire nation



Where did you get the idea that China only locked down 1 city? Every single city that had Covid cases were locked down.

[n00bie]

If Wuhan is already back to normal... and NY is there too....

why do we need a vaccine again?

Problem is people in heavily infected areas in the U.S. are still allowed to go to NY. NY should just close their borders until Florida and Texas gets their shlt together lol.

[~primetime~]

I think the main differences between Wuhan and say NYC :

-They locked down the entire city meaning you couldn't go into or leave Wuhan...it was illegal.
-They forced phone apps on the citizens, if you turned up positive for covid you were marked and everyone in the city could see where you have and have not been...that is an extremely powerful tool


but again, NYC is on the verge of their own pool party...Every city is

Covid is going to up and vanish everywhere...just like all the previous viruses have...I am 100% confident of that

[n00bie]

I think the main differences between Wuhan and say NYC :

-They locked down the entire city meaning you couldn't go into or leave Wuhan...it was illegal.
-They forced phone apps on the citizens, if you turned up positive for covid you were marked and everyone in the city could see where you have and have not been...that is an extremely powerful tool


but again, NYC is on the verge of their own pool party...Every city is

Covid is going to up and vanish everywhere...just like all the previous viruses have...I am 100% confident of that

China's control over their citizens has their pros and cons. They can easily deal with pandemics but corruption will always be an issue. No way around it.

I don't care how good of a person you think you are, if you have that much power in your country.. you'll take advantage of it.

[Nanners]

What are you talking about? Wuhan was on a strict lockdown to the point where they welded your doors shut. They'd rather you die at home than spread the virus.

Bullshit they were. The only evidence supporting the claim that doors were being welded shut in Wuhan is a single grainy youtube video... and even if they were, the Wuhan lockdown ended 4 months ago


Beijing was on a lockdown with 10 new cases.

According to who? Chinese state media? Do you have any proof of this?


Wuhan borders were fully closed. You couldn't even leave the city. Imagine if the U.S. welded New Yorks apartment doors shut and didn't let anyone in or leave the city in the first 10 cases. The spread to the rest of the country would be drastically reduced.

Wuhan was not locked down until ~2 months after the virus first began to spread... and that still does not explain how the **** the virus was able to devastate NY - a city on the other side of the planet that subjected their citizens to harsh lockdowns, while completely ignoring cities like Shanghai.

Again, do you have any proof for this aside from Chinese state media?


Imaginge if ANY U.S. city had a military lockdown with 10 cases. We'd be down to 0 fast.

Imagine having proof to support any of the claims China has made about how they handled the virus

[Rooster]

What are you talking about? Wuhan was on a strict lockdown to the point where they welded your doors shut. They'd rather you die at home than spread the virus.

Beijing was on a lockdown with 10 new cases.

Wuhan borders were fully closed. You couldn't even leave the city. Imagine if the U.S. welded New Yorks apartment doors shut and didn't let anyone in or leave the city in the first 10 cases. The spread to the rest of the country would be drastically reduced.

Imaginge if ANY U.S. city had a military lockdown with 10 cases. We'd be down to 0 fast.

Vietnam evacuated 80 k people on one of their cities when they have 4 new cases. That’s how serious those guys deal with Covid.

Overreaction with protocols will result in less casualties.

That’s unrealistic for us so we just gonna have to crunch numbers because it’s election time to justify deaths. Also we have been undercounting deaths.

[n00bie]

Bullshit they were. The only evidence supporting the claim that doors were being welded shut in Wuhan is a single grainy youtube video... and even if they were, the Wuhan lockdown ended 4 months ago



According to who? Chinese state media? Do you have any proof of this?



Wuhan was not locked down until ~2 months after the virus first began to spread... and that still does not explain how the **** the virus was able to devastate NY - a city on the other side of the planet that subjected their citizens to harsh lockdowns, while completely ignoring cities like Shanghai.

Again, do you have any proof for this aside from Chinese state media?



Imagine having proof to support any of the claims China has made about how they handled the virus

If you're going to claim that all news outlets are fake, then why even start this thread? Your link and picture could be fake too.

Why are all your arguments just claims that every report out there is fake? What's the point of even discussion anything with you?

"Do you have proof of anything? "

- sends a link

" that's fake news!"

[Rooster]

I think the main differences between Wuhan and say NYC :

-They locked down the entire city meaning you couldn't go into or leave Wuhan...it was illegal.
-They forced phone apps on the citizens, if you turned up positive for covid you were marked and everyone in the city could see where you have and have not been...that is an extremely powerful tool


but again, NYC is on the verge of their own pool party...Every city is

Covid is going to up and vanish everywhere...just like all the previous viruses have...I am 100% confident of that


so far the new strains discovered make the virus more contagious but less deadlier. The virus proofreading enzymes itself make the virus mutates slower. The only concern right now is the virus is more airborne indoors. Also there’s are a lot of promising treatment but we shall wait until they do it on animal model.

[Nanners]

If you're going to claim that all news outlets are fake, then why even start this thread? Your link and picture could be fake too.

I never claimed all news outlets are fake, my comment was specific to state funded media in authoritarian nations... obvious US outlets like CNN and MSNBC are highly respectable and totally not fake :roll:

Anyway, you honestly think Chinese state news is a legit source? You really believe what they have to say about the virus? :oldlol:


Why are all your arguments just claims that every report out there is fake? What's the point of even discussion anything with you?

My argument is that it makes less than zero sense that the country where the outbreak began has only 4.6k deaths with 1.4b residents, while nations on the other side of the planet that implimented far more extreme measures to control the virus have orders of magnitude more deaths with orders of magnitude less population... why is this blatantly obvious contradiction so hard for you to comprehend?


"Do you have proof of anything? "

- sends a link

" that's fake news!"

You make a very compelling point considering I am the only person who has posted a link in this thread so far :oldlol:

[n00bie]

I never claimed all news outlets are fake, my comment was specific to state funded media in authoritarian nations... obvious US outlets like CNN and MSNBC are highly respectable and totally not fake :roll:

Anyway, you honestly think Chinese state news is a legit source? You really believe what they have to say about the virus? :oldlol:



My argument is that it makes less than zero sense that the country where the outbreak began has only 4.6k deaths with 1.4b residents, while nations on the other side of the planet that implimented far more extreme measures to control the virus have orders of magnitude more deaths with orders of magnitude less population... why is this blatantly obvious contradiction so hard for you to comprehend?



You make a very compelling point considering I am the only person who has posted a link in this thread so far :oldlol:

Your link is fake bro. This whole thread is fake.

I dont even think Wuhan is a real city.

[n00bie]

Fyi Nanners. Your source for this thread originated from the Chinese Media.

Might as well delete this thread. There probably isnt even a swimming pool in Wuhan.

[Patrick Chewing]

If Wuhan is already back to normal... and NY is there too....

why do we need a vaccine again?

Because OMB.

[~primetime~]

yeah I don't think we will need a vaccine...I've dropped my vaccine stocks and most of them are going down now

I think the virus will be mostly gone by the time a vaccine is released


India maybe...and if another country has a delayed outbreak

[bladefd]

Where did you get the idea that China only locked down 1 city? Every single city that had Covid cases were locked down.

He doesn't have all the facts. He is just making them up as he goes. He is stuck down the conspiracy rabbit hole, and he comes out every couple weeks to rant about his covid conspiracy. It is a cycle that he goes through every couple weeks.

[rawimpact]

LOL @ isolation completely removing COVID from a city like that... yeah, right.

If you believe China numbers are accurate and they eliminated the virus because they welded doors shut you're as gullible as they come. China has long wanted a decline in their population as they've seen it as a hinder to their growth. This was a blessing in disguise for them.

All of rural china completely free of the virus while neighboring countries like India are getting ravaged. Right...

[bladefd]

LOL @ isolation completely removing COVID from a city like that... yeah, right.

If you believe China numbers are accurate and they eliminated the virus because they welded doors shut you're as gullible as they come. China has long wanted a decline in their population as they've seen it as a hinder to their growth. This was a blessing in disguise for them.

All of rural china completely free of the virus while neighboring countries like India are getting ravaged. Right...

-numbers were much worse than they reported
-they eliminated the virus through extreme means of total shutdown

Why can't it be both things?

[Axe]

China proving to this sorry world that they can do anything they want in life

[n00bie]

LOL @ isolation completely removing COVID from a city like that... yeah, right.

If you believe China numbers are accurate and they eliminated the virus because they welded doors shut you're as gullible as they come. China has long wanted a decline in their population as they've seen it as a hinder to their growth. This was a blessing in disguise for them.

All of rural china completely free of the virus while neighboring countries like India are getting ravaged. Right...

How come I dont see anyone from China on social media reporting any cases tho?

Theres plenty of China people on Instagram.

[Doomsday Dallas]

China proving to this sorry world that they can do anything they want in life


https://cdn.wionews.com/sites/default/files/styles/story_page/public/2020/08/20/155524-wuhan-pool-party.jpg?itok=HVJQVhw4

idk... just feels like mockery.

Something isn't right about this picture.

I don't like the vibe of this story, so like I said, feels like we're being mocked.

[~primetime~]

idk... just feels like mockery.

Something isn't right about this picture.

I don't like the vibe of this story, so like I said, feels like we're being mocked.

Like the whole country is acting and in on some massive conspiracy to mock the US? :facepalm

"haha we tricked them into thinking it all started here in China but it really started THERE!!!! mwahahah!!!...time to MOCK THEM!!!"

Seriously ask yourself, have you ever NOT felt that way?...you're not in the Truman Show man.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Like the whole country is acting and in on some massive conspiracy to mock the US? :facepalm

"haha we tricked them into thinking it all started here in China but it really started THERE!!!! mwahahah!!!...time to MOCK THEM!!!"

Seriously ask yourself, have you ever NOT felt that way?...you're not in the Truman Show man.

If they are having a pool party like that in Wuhan, China... the place where this all started, then we are ending any conversation about a vaccine.

that's all I'm saying. That's the mockery I'm talking about. They can show us a picture of the entire city of Wuhan in one giant swimming pool and yet there will be those who are anxiously awaiting Dr. Bill's vaccine.

Nanners isn't preaching conspiracy theories in the OP, he's talking about what's extremely unusual about the entire situation.

[~primetime~]

I feel like vaccine talks have died down a lot.

They were the first to have it, and it only makes sense that they're the first to be clear of it. We'll be having pool parties soon, shit we already are. Water parks are open in Texas right now.

[Axe]

idk... just feels like mockery.

Something isn't right about this picture.

I don't like the vibe of this story, so like I said, feels like we're being mocked.
You don't think this is a good idea for reducing their overwhelming population? Because once they get sick from the virus, some of them would die, right?

[coin24]

This just in, covid is just this years seasonal flu and everyone overreacting is a moron

[Hittin_Shots]

This just in, covid is just this years seasonal flu and everyone overreacting is a moron

Are you Victorian?

[FKAri]

My argument is that it makes less than zero sense that the country where the outbreak began has only 4.6k deaths with 1.4b residents, while nations on the other side of the planet that implimented far more extreme measures to control the virus have orders of magnitude more deaths with orders of magnitude less population
Maybe you're being coy in regards to China and NY's numbers, which most agree are both fairly inaccurate. But to suggest anyone on the planet went to the extremes that Wuhan did is absurd. Sure they ignored it initially but they then imposed the strictest of any lockdown we've seen anywhere. You don't need to listen to any state run media outlet to confirm this. Just ask the people who actually live there who went through a positive contact tracing procedure.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Urge all Trump supporters to join the party.

[coin24]

Are you Victorian?

Nsw. Luckily we don't have lockdowns. Vic sounds like they went full retard, that dan Andrews deserves a bat to the head..

[Cleverness]

1.
Pro-lockdown crowd and their "new normal" (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?482343-Shopping-Carts-Stop-Signs-and-Traffic-Lights-and-Wearing-Masks&p=14058493&viewfull=1#post14058493) is completely irrational and immoral. Imagine advocating that the government take away your liberty, the liberty of 330 million others, all for the illusion of "saving" 0.05% of the population (median age 80 w/ 2.6 comorbidities (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex)).

USA

Prediction over 12 months was:
100 million infections
20 million hospitalizations
("15 days to flatten the curve")

Reality after 6 months:
56 million infections
0.4 million hospitalizations
("2 more years of tyranny (bbc.com/news/world-53870798)")

source (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?481119-New-York-Times-These-Places-Could-Run-Out-of-Hospital-Beds-as-Coronavirus-Spreads)source (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/17/upshot/hospital-bed-shortages-coronavirus.html)source (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html) source (https://twitter.com/PryTo5/status/1262184346703802373?s=19)source (https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20200317.457910/full/) source (https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/21/cdc-study-actual-covid-19-cases/)


2.
"Well if we just did a harder lockdown and mandatory masks..."
Our policies have clearly done nothing but destruction to ourselves. The rate of hospitalization is tiny.

Peru: early military-style lockdown, mandatory masks, and mandatory face shields
#1 deaths per capita in the world (source (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/peru-probes-whether-27253-coronavirus-deaths-uncounted/2020/07/31/e8bbfc4a-d34a-11ea-826b-cc394d824e35_story.html) source (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/) source (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/22/841005901/why-belgiums-death-rate-is-so-high-it-counts-lots-of-suspected-covid-19-cases))

3.
It's about control. Governments naturally want control and humans naturally want to be controlled - especially those on the Left... they want to be coddled and feel "safe"

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread/page476&p=14066454#post14066454
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14066474&viewfull=1#post14066474
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?482733-Sturgis-Motorcycle-Rally&p=14082424&viewfull=1#post14082424

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgC7XV_UEAAXuYF?format=jpg&name=small

"We're all in this together" but some more than others

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[Cleverness]

RE: China

The dangerous virus that China spread is a mind virus, not a coronavirus. With the help of the WHO, the rest of the world decided to copy China's communist form of gov't. (RIP Science, February 2020)

What they want you to believe:
-This coronavirus is incredibly dangerous, but can be controlled by governments
-The effectiveness of a gov't is dependent on their "control" of it

The conclusion you are lead to believe is that western gov't (one that values liberty and freedom) is inferior to China's communist gov't, usually due to it's 'lack of control' over the people.

[n00bie]

RE: China

The dangerous virus that China spread is a mind virus, not a coronavirus. With the help of the WHO, the rest of the world decided to copy China's communist form of gov't. (RIP Science, February 2020)

What they want you to believe:
-This coronavirus is incredibly dangerous, but can be controlled by governments
-The effectiveness of a gov't is dependent on their "control" of it

The conclusion you are lead to believe is that western gov't (one that values liberty and freedom) is inferior to China's communist gov't, usually due to it's 'lack of control' over the people.

Are you saying China and WHO fabricated this virus just to prove the communist govt is better than the West?

[Cleverness]

Are you saying China and WHO fabricated this virus just to prove the communist govt is better than the West?

Nope. But they've certainly contributed to the irrational fear and hysteria in our corporate media that pushes the narrative. Please go back and read my #1 point to understand the big picture of the virus.


People like you who didnt take this seriously from day 1.

You believe the BS they're pushing. Please explain specifically what I have personally done that has impacted the spread of the virus.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfrhXIDU8AAqYre?format=png&name=900x900

[n00bie]

Nope. But they've certainly contributed to the irrational fear and hysteria in our corporate media that pushes the narrative. Please go back and read my #1 point to understand the big picture of the virus.



You believe the BS they're pushing. Please explain specifically what I have personally done that has impacted the spread of the virus.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfrhXIDU8AAqYre?format=png&name=900x900

What you have personally done? Telling everyone that the virus isnt dangerous.

Constantly pulling up graphs about hospital beds that have no relevance. (Some graphs you posted also proved to be fake)

You go on and on about hospital beds in States as if that even matters. What only matters are hospitals in big populated cities.

There are areas in the country that have no cases, so why even take account total empty hospital beds in a whole state?

Major hospitals in city centers have openly told us they were low on beds and supplies. This is even after adding hundreds of new beds. But of course you think all those reports are fake, while your random internet graphs are what matters.

[Cleverness]

What you have personally done? Telling everyone that the virus isnt dangerous.

Constantly pulling up graphs about hospital beds that have no relevance. (Some graphs you posted also proved to be fake)

You go on and on about hospital beds in States as if that even matters. What only matters are hospitals in big populated cities.

There are areas in the country that have no cases, so why even take account total empty hospital beds in a whole state?

Major hospitals in city centers have openly told us they were low on beds and supplies. This is even after adding hundreds of new beds. But of course you think all those reports are fake, while your random internet graphs are what matters.

1. I told people on an NBA message board that COVID-19 is generally about as dangerous/less dangerous than the flu to them. This is true.

2. How many graphs did I post? Which graphs proved to be fake? I'm guessing you won't answer these questions.

Again, look my #1 point above. It has sources. If they're fake, make a counterargument.

3. Exactly how has any of what I've said on this forum translated into your claim that I had an impact on the spread of the virus?


It only shouldn't have happened because the country is full of people like yourself.

[n00bie]

1. I told people on an NBA message board that COVID-19 is generally about as dangerous/less dangerous than the flu to them. This is true.

2. How many graphs did I post? Which graphs proved to be fake? I'm guessing you won't answer these questions.

Again, look my #1 point above. It has sources. If they're fake, make a counterargument.

3. Exactly how has any of what I've said on this forum translated into your claim that I had an impact on the spread of the virus?

If you have the time to look up my previous posts you can also look up my countless replies to your posts for the last couple of months.

No need to go in circles for another 6 months.

[Cleverness]

If you have the time to look up my previous posts you can also look up my countless replies to your posts for the last couple of months.

No need to go in circles for another 6 months.

You keep making the same bogus claims, but you never back them up. Either back them up or stop making them.

[n00bie]

You keep making the same bogus claims, but you never back them up. Either back them up or stop making them.

Like you ever respond to any of my posts? You never respond to how your graphs are irrelevant because there are hospitals in certain areas with little or no cases?

Obviously these discussions going back and fourth are pointless.

[Cleverness]

Like you ever respond to any of my posts? You never respond to how your graphs are irrelevant because there are hospitals in certain areas with little or no cases?

Obviously these discussions going back and fourth are pointless.

I just responded to them. It seems you can't do basic math. It's a widespread virus in the US and the rate of hospitalization is tiny.

There are over 6,000 hospitals in the US.

Outside of NYCs incompetence, how many have been overwhelmed by COVID?

[Cleverness]

1.
Pro-lockdown crowd and their "new normal" (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?482343-Shopping-Carts-Stop-Signs-and-Traffic-Lights-and-Wearing-Masks&p=14058493&viewfull=1#post14058493) is completely irrational and immoral. Imagine advocating that the government take away your liberty, the liberty of 330 million others, all for the illusion of "saving" 0.05% of the population (median age 80 w/ 2.6 comorbidities (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex)).

USA

Prediction over 12 months was:
100 million infections
20 million hospitalizations
("15 days to flatten the curve")

Reality after 6 months:
56 million infections
0.4 million hospitalizations
("2 more years of tyranny (bbc.com/news/world-53870798)")

source (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?481119-New-York-Times-These-Places-Could-Run-Out-of-Hospital-Beds-as-Coronavirus-Spreads)source (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/17/upshot/hospital-bed-shortages-coronavirus.html)source (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html) source (https://twitter.com/PryTo5/status/1262184346703802373?s=19)source (https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20200317.457910/full/) source (https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/21/cdc-study-actual-covid-19-cases/)


If anyone wants to make the case for a county's hospitals being overwhelmed by COVID, be sure to at least include:

-baseline data pre-COVID
-% of beds occupied by pts admitted FOR Covid-19
-how often the hospital fills up

These are absolutely critical if one would like to make the claim COVID has overwhelmed them.

Try finding news articles that provide that data. Most of the articles are just opinions of freaked out staff or politicians.

[Doomsday Dallas]

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2020/aug/21/covid-vaccine-tracker-when-will-we-have-a-coronavirus-vaccine

- Fri 21 Aug 2020

Covid vaccine tracker: when will we have a coronavirus vaccine?

More than 170 teams of researchers are racing to develop a safe and effective vaccine. Here is their progress:


Researchers around the world are racing to develop a vaccine against Covid-19, with more than 170 candidate vaccines now tracked by the World Health Organization (WHO).

Vaccines normally require years of testing and additional time to produce at scale, but scientists are hoping to develop a coronavirus vaccine within 12 to 18 months.

Vaccines mimic the virus – or part of the virus – they protect against, stimulating the immune system to develop antibodies. They must follow higher safety standards than other drugs because they are given to millions of healthy people.

[Doomsday Dallas]

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html

- Updated August 21, 2020

Coronavirus Vaccine Tracker


Researchers around the world are developing more than 165 vaccines against the coronavirus, and 32 vaccines are in human trials. Vaccines typically require years of research and testing before reaching the clinic, but scientists are racing to produce a safe and effective vaccine by next year.

[Doomsday Dallas]

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/health/covid-vaccine-update-coronavirus/

- Updated Aug. 22 at 11:54 a.m.

These are the top coronavirus vaccines to watch

We are tracking 200 experimental vaccines aimed at ending the
pandemic, a scientific quest moving at record-breaking speed.


The worldwide effort to create a vaccine for the novel coronavirus kicked off in January, soon after scientists in China posted online the genome of a virus causing a mysterious pneumonia. Vaccine development usually takes years and unfolds step by step. Experimental vaccine candidates are created in the laboratory and tested in animals before moving into progressively larger human clinical trials.

These steps are now overlapping in the race to find a vaccine for a global disease that has killed hundreds of thousands of people. Human testing began in some cases before animal studies were finished. As companies launch small Phase 1 trials intended to establish the correct dose, they already are planning the Phase 3 trials that evaluate whether the vaccines are effective and safe.

No steps are being skipped, top government officials have repeatedly promised, and vaccines will not be considered for approval in the United States until after a large, Phase 3 trial. The Food and Drug Administration, which has the ultimate say on whether a vaccine has been proved safe and effective, says a vaccine for covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, will need to prevent disease or decrease symptoms in at least 50 percent of those who receive it. The effectiveness of the flu vaccine ranges from 40 to 60 percent, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Other countries may use different standards or authorize vaccines without waiting for proof they are safe and effective. Russia announced it would begin using its vaccine in people at high risk for the virus in August, before starting its Phase 3 trial. China has authorized a vaccine for use in members of the military.

[n00bie]

I just responded to them. It seems you can't do basic math. It's a widespread virus in the US and the rate of hospitalization is tiny.

There are over 6,000 hospitals in the US.

Outside of NYCs incompetence, how many have been overwhelmed by COVID?

You didn't respond to my point at all. Instead you just got upset and went for a personal attack.

What does having over 6000 hospitals have anything to do with this? Again, there are plenty of hospitals in more rural areas that have little to no cases at all. If you really wanted to discuss hospital beds, then look at the major hospitals in big cities like New York at their outbreak peak.

"Simple math" in relation to nation or state wide hospital beds has nothing to do with how serious an outbreak was.

There are thousands of hospital beds in areas that had no major outbreak. Each hospital also added hundreds of beds to prepare for this.

Anyway since love to resort to personal attacks, I'll add that you lack the common sense of a toddler.

[coin24]

Can't wait for all the sheep to take that vaccine :lol

[n00bie]

Can't wait for all the sheep to take that vaccine :lol

I guess you're one of those crazies that think the flu vaccine are for sheep too.

[Cleverness]

You didn't respond to my point at all. Instead you just got upset and went for a personal attack.

What does having over 6000 hospitals have anything to do with this? Again, there are plenty of hospitals in more rural areas that have little to no cases at all. If you really wanted to discuss hospital beds, then look at the major hospitals in big cities like New York at their outbreak peak.

"Simple math" in relation to nation or state wide hospital beds has nothing to do with how serious an outbreak was.

There are thousands of hospital beds in areas that had no major outbreak. Each hospital also added hundreds of beds to prepare for this.

Anyway since love to resort to personal attacks, I'll add that you lack the common sense of a toddler.

Which counties had overwhelmed hospitals from COVID? Please include:

-baseline data pre-COVID
-% of beds occupied by pts admitted FOR Covid-19
-how often the hospital fills up

These are absolutely critical if one would like to make the claim COVID has overwhelmed them.

Try finding news articles that provide that data. Most of the articles are just opinions of freaked out staff or politicians.



USA

Prediction over 12 months was:
100 million infections
20 million hospitalizations
("15 days to flatten the curve")

Reality after 6 months:
56 million infections
0.4 million hospitalizations
("2 more years of tyranny (bbc.com/news/world-53870798)")

source (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?481119-New-York-Times-These-Places-Could-Run-Out-of-Hospital-Beds-as-Coronavirus-Spreads)source (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/17/upshot/hospital-bed-shortages-coronavirus.html)source (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html) source (https://twitter.com/PryTo5/status/1262184346703802373?s=19)source (https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20200317.457910/full/) source (https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/21/cdc-study-actual-covid-19-cases/)

https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20200317.457910/full/

I said you can't do basic math because 20 million hospitalizations is a lot more than 0.4 million. Like... the number.. is truly.. tiny.

[coin24]

I guess you're one of those crazies that think the flu vaccine are for sheep too.

Never had a flu shot. If you're in good health, exercise regularly and eat well then you shouldn't need it..

Not surprising obese Americans are convinced they need it

[Cleverness]

RE: China

The dangerous virus that China spread is a mind virus, not a coronavirus. With the help of the WHO, the rest of the world decided to copy China's communist form of gov't. (RIP Science, February 2020)

What they want you to believe:
-This coronavirus is incredibly dangerous, but can be controlled by governments
-The effectiveness of a gov't is dependent on their "control" of it

The conclusion you are lead to believe is that western gov't (one that values liberty and freedom) is inferior to China's communist gov't, usually due to it's 'lack of control' over the people.

@ Nanners

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1270925788389486593.html


CCP launched a massive social media campaign in ITALY to advertise its coronavirus lockdown measures in early March.

Wow.

[Rooster]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/health/covid-vaccine-update-coronavirus/

- Updated Aug. 22 at 11:54 a.m.

These are the top coronavirus vaccines to watch

We are tracking 200 experimental vaccines aimed at ending the
pandemic, a scientific quest moving at record-breaking speed.

No way to trust Russia and their adenovirus vaccine . That’s like playing Russian roulette, the vaccine were never produced that way. Even by our standards, only military guys took stuff like that . FDA will definitely fast track the race for vaccine ( and China probably trying to steal that info) They did it on Remdisivir as soon as scientists have figured out it reduced at least 30% of the risk of mortality rate by late April.

[~primetime~]

Can't wait for all the sheep to take that vaccine :lol

What do you think is going to happen to them aside from obtaining covid immunity? From what I've gathered conspiracy guys have two theories.

1. Its a Bill Gates plot to make men infertile... to trick us into population control.

2. Its a test by Satan aka mark of the beastto decide who goes to hell.


Both of these theories are embarrassingly retarded.

[Axe]

I am not 1% hateful against China,but whats happening there is bad and even dog (https://www.animalpicturesociety.com/ainu-dog-14b8) can get covid
Esspecially after the fact that the Covid 19 spread from here
Poor dogs. I wonder how many of them are there in china but there used to be a dog festival every year where they would consume them. So...

[ZenMaster]

What do you think is going to happen to them aside from obtaining covid immunity? From what I've gathered conspiracy guys have two theories.

1. Its a Bill Gates plot to make men infertile... to trick us into population control.

2. Its a test by Satan aka mark of the beastto decide who goes to hell.


Both of these theories are embarrassingly retarded.

The most significant contribution to this thread is there just a few posts above https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1270925788389486593.html

[coin24]

The most significant contribution to this thread is there just a few posts above https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1270925788389486593.html

Even with the facts right in front of them these people will not open their eyes. This whole thing was engineered from the start.

[coin24]

What do you think is going to happen to them aside from obtaining covid immunity? From what I've gathered conspiracy guys have two theories.

1. Its a Bill Gates plot to make men infertile... to trick us into population control.

2. Its a test by Satan aka mark of the beastto decide who goes to hell.


Both of these theories are embarrassingly retarded.

Interesting you bring up fertility rates, can you explain why they have significantly dropped over the last 40 or so years?

Any drug that has been rushed and not tested properly would be stupid to take, especially one for a flu that over 99% of people recover from. But you go right ahead

[~primetime~]

Even with the facts right in front of them these people will not open their eyes. This whole thing was engineered from the start.

What's the motive?

Meh... its not engineered you guys are just idiots who believe every retarded myth someone twists and throws out there.

If the Illuminati wanted to control fertility rates they wouldn't need to create a virus, they'd just sneak it into already existing vaccines that children take.... or seasonal flu vaccine that is developed every year.

[~primetime~]

We don't need to argue conspiracy...i know how how this goes... the rabbit hole just keeps being dug deeper.


How about this... when the virus goes away and nothing happens via vaccine... and it's shown this wasnt some mass trick to poison us...LEARN FROM IT. Realize you let the imagination of others get the best of you.

Don't continue to buy into retarded conspiracies with the next major event.

[coin24]

What's the motive?

Meh... its not engineered you guys are just idiots who believe every retarded myth someone twists and throws out there.

If the Illuminati wanted to control fertility rates they wouldn't need to create a virus, they'd just sneak it into already existing vaccines that children take.... or seasonal flu vaccine that is developed every year.


The reaction to it was engineered. Everyone just jumped on board with the same narrative and media propaganda on overdrive while certain big corporations made insane amounts of money.

If you think thats a myth then theres not much hope for you.

[Nanners]

@ Nanners

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1270925788389486593.html

Wow.

There are some other interesting connections between Italy and China

Italy is one of the only western european nations to sign on to Chinas belt and road initiative

Over the past decade, China has invested enormous amounts of money in the Italian garment industry... which happens to be based in the industrial areas near Milan in northern Italy (the same area that was hit hardest by the virus).

[Nanners]

What do you think is going to happen to them aside from obtaining covid immunity? From what I've gathered conspiracy guys have two theories.

1. Its a Bill Gates plot to make men infertile... to trick us into population control.

2. Its a test by Satan aka mark of the beastto decide who goes to hell.


Both of these theories are embarrassingly retarded.

Why is someone automatically a conspiracy theorist if they refuse this vaccine?

What if you dont want to take a drug that was rushed through its safety trials in order to prevent a virus that kills 0.4% of the people it infects (the truth death rate would probably be less than 0.1% if we stopped categorizing obese 85 year old life-long smokers as covid victims).

I dont have any problems with the science behind vaccines, my parents vaccinated me and they only made me mildly retarded and autistic (there were a lot less required ones back when I was a kid tho). Anyway, when a product has a sound scientific foundation that doesnt mean that every version of the product is safe. I believe in the science behind cars, and I think most cars are safe... but that doesnt mean I want to get behind the wheel of a ford pinto or chevy corvair.

The last time I watched late night broadcast TV, it seemed like half of the commercials were for class actions lawsuits for people who had been harmed by pharmaceuticals that were unsafe or not properly tested/vetted. Vioxx, Gardasil, Oxycontin, Zyprexa, Risperdal, Xarelto, Avandia... there are a lot of examples

[coin24]

Why is someone automatically a conspiracy theorist if they refuse this vaccine?

What if you dont want to take a drug that was rushed through its safety trials in order to prevent a virus that kills 0.4% of the people it infects (the truth death rate would probably be less than 0.1% if we stopped categorizing obese 85 year old life-long smokers as covid victims).

I dont have any problems with the science behind vaccines, my parents vaccinated me and they only made me mildly retarded and autistic (there were a lot less required ones back when I was a kid tho). Anyway, when a product has a sound scientific foundation that doesnt mean that every version of the product is safe. I believe in the science behind cars, and I think most cars are safe... but that doesnt mean I want to get behind the wheel of a ford pinto or chevy corvair.

The last time I watched late night broadcast TV, it seemed like half of the commercials were for class actions lawsuits for people who had been harmed by pharmaceuticals that were unsafe or not properly tested/vetted. Vioxx, Gardasil, Oxycontin, Zyprexa, Risperdal, Xarelto, Avandia... there are a lot of examples

America is one of the only places in the world that advertises their shitty medications on tv and radio like they do. This medication may help such and such, but side effects are heart failure, sweats, insomnia, suicidal thoughts and death:lol
Its always funny watching / hearing those when im over there, and youre spot on with the law suits:cheers:

So yeah, something thats rushed through, in a system where any shit quality poison normally gets passed? yeah no thanks.

[ZenMaster]

What's the motive?

Meh... its not engineered you guys are just idiots who believe every retarded myth someone twists and throws out there.

If the Illuminati wanted to control fertility rates they wouldn't need to create a virus, they'd just sneak it into already existing vaccines that children take.... or seasonal flu vaccine that is developed every year.

Let's forget about "the Illuminati" and instead discuss what's right at hand.

What are your thoughts on the fact that at least hundreds of thousands Chinese controlled Twitter bots have been arguing for hard lockdowns using hard rhetoric throughout Western countries in local languages?

What would China gain from Western countries, including the US, shutting down their economies, dividing and demotivating the citizens throughout the West?

[Nanners]

Let's forget about "the Illuminati" and instead discuss what's right at hand.

What are your thoughts on the fact that at least hundreds of thousands Chinese controlled Twitter bots have been arguing for hard lockdowns using hard rhetoric throughout Western countries in local languages?

What would China gain from Western countries, including the US, shutting down their economies, dividing and demotivating the citizens throughout the West?

Imagine the level of hysterical meltdown the democrats would be at if Russia was using bots to trick republican governors/mayors into intentionally destroying their state or city economy...

[rawimpact]

Let's forget about "the Illuminati" and instead discuss what's right at hand.

What are your thoughts on the fact that at least hundreds of thousands Chinese controlled Twitter bots have been arguing for hard lockdowns using hard rhetoric throughout Western countries in local languages?

What would China gain from Western countries, including the US, shutting down their economies, dividing and demotivating the citizens throughout the West?



How many people from China have social media not monitored by the government? What are the repercussions if they get caught posting on otherwise public forums? That's why you don't hear about people dying in China... because it's all controlled.

[~primetime~]

Okay...if you believe the "reaction" was engineered...I have no issues with that. Clearly humans will take advantage of events like this in a multitude of ways.

If you believe the virus was engineered by a secret society of higher ups...to "get Trump"...or to trick us into a population reducing vaccine...or by Satan...etc...THAT is fairy tale shit.

And there are lots out there that fall into the latter...so don't eye roll it. There are also those who think there is no virus...LITERALLY...it is literally a hoax and nothing exists.

[ZenMaster]

Okay...if you believe the "reaction" was engineered...I have no issues with that. Clearly humans will take advantage of events like this in a multitude of ways.

If you believe the virus was engineered by a secret society of higher ups...to "get Trump"...or to trick us into a population reducing vaccine...or by Satan...etc...THAT is fairy tale shit.

And there are lots out there that fall into the latter...so don't eye roll it. There are also those who think there is no virus...LITERALLY...it is literally a hoax and nothing exists.

But how do YOU feel about the fact that at least several hundred thousand bots argued for hard lockdowns, country by country, in their local languages?

How do you feel that the same rhetoric used by these bots ended up everywhere, including here on ISH, when arguing against lockdowns? "Mass murder", "Genocide" etc.

What do you think about the fact that US media heavily has argued for the same measures as these CCP bots?

Why do you say "reaction" like it's not something real that happened?

[Nanners]

Okay...if you believe the "reaction" was engineered...I have no issues with that. Clearly humans will take advantage of events like this in a multitude of ways.

If you believe the virus was engineered by a secret society of higher ups...to "get Trump"...or to trick us into a population reducing vaccine...or by Satan...etc...THAT is fairy tale shit.

And there are lots out there that fall into the latter...so don't eye roll it. There are also those who think there is no virus...LITERALLY...it is literally a hoax and nothing exists.

WTF are you talking about

How is the existence of conspiracy theorists who think the virus is a hoax relevant to a discussion about the proven FACT that the govt of China is running a campaign on US social media encouraging us to destroy our own economy and live in fear because of a virus with a CFR of ~0.4% (and dropping every day)

[~primetime~]

WTF are you talking about

How is the existence of conspiracy theorists who think the virus is a hoax relevant to a discussion about the proven FACT that the govt of China is running a campaign on US social media encouraging us to destroy our own economy and live in fear because of a virus with a CFR of ~0.4% (and dropping every day)

myself and coin were talking conspiracy...he said he couldn't wait until all the sheep get vaccinated, this was all engineered...etc...just read

[Nanners]

myself and coin were talking conspiracy...he said he couldn't wait until all the sheep get vaccinated, this was all engineered...etc...just read

My bad... I thought your post was responding to ZenMaster

sorry