Lebron needs AD and Kyrie to dominate to win... Pippen never dominated

[3ball]

The best Pippen played was maybe equal to 12' Wade's Finals

AD and Kyrie are several levels higher (or 11' Wade)

The story was NEVER that Pippen needed to dominate for bulls to win

[Gohan]

Lol you can’t really compare Lebron to Jordan. He still lacks accolades. Tell me when he gets a few more scoring titles or something

[Axe]

3ball suffering from severe pippen derangement syndrome

[Spurs m8]

The 2 aren't even in the same ball park

[StrongLurk]

How many times is OP going to do this?

We have the same conversations every time. Stop. Get help. You need a therapist.

[Roundball_Rock]

How many times is OP going to do this?

We have the same conversations every time. Stop. Get help. You need a therapist.

The daily "Insecure & Deranged Over 1-9 Thread." :lol

LeBron stans don't do this with Wade because they are secure about LeBron or Kobe stans with Gasol.

[NBAGOAT]

you're dumb if you think kyrie is clearly better than 12 wade. ad for sure is better

[Gohan]

Wade is trash though with his extremely overrated 2009 season

[Roundball_Rock]

you're dumb if you think kyrie is clearly better than 12 wade. ad for sure is better

Kyrie is in his 9th season and has a total of zero MVP votes--not even a fifth place vote--in his career.


Wade is trash though with his extremely overrated 2009 season

Top 20-25 all-time is trash? :facepalm

[Manny98]

How many times is OP going to do this?

We have the same conversations every time. Stop. Get help. You need a therapist.
Yet y'all still take the time to respond to him :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

3 finals MVP

[Gohan]

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;


Top 20-25 all-time is trash? :facepalm[/QUOTE]

That’s on you if you feel he’s that high not me

[Vino24]

No Pip no chip

[Wally450]

Seek help.

[SATAN]

No Pip no chip

This

[FromDowntown]

No Pip, no chip

No Wade, YES Chip

:pimp:

[ImKobe]

Lebron didn't win a title without an elite scoring guard..

[ELITEpower23]

Lebron didn't win a title without an elite scoring guard..

Kyrie is not elite my friend. Not by a long shot. He looked pretty super hero like alongside LeBron, but on his own? Yikes

https://i.postimg.cc/MZ1DKkLL/Kyrie-Not-Elite-Sorry.png

[Gohan]

Kyrie is not elite my friend. Not by a long shot. He looked pretty super hero like alongside LeBron, but on his own? Yikes

https://i.postimg.cc/MZ1DKkLL/Kyrie-Not-Elite-Sorry.png

That’s the struggle. Kyrie got to pay his dues like any other great player. Real Nikka sh1t, if you ain’t shot around 5-21 some games you ain’t paid your dues to the game of basketball

[Axe]

To be fair tho, bran hasn't won any chips yet without james jones.

[Roundball_Rock]

How "elite" are you if in nine seasons you can't even get one fifth place MVP vote? :confusedshrug: His teams are consistently better without him for a reason.

[Smoke117]

1-9.

[BigtimeNBAFan]

I would honestly love if this debate died. I think Jordan is better by the way, but we don't need to constantly talk about a player that last was great 22 years ago everytime a current player has a good game or bad game. I'd rather Lebron vs Kawhi threads, at least they matter to the current league.

[NBAGOAT]

I would honestly love if this debate died. I think Jordan is better by the way, but we don't need to constantly talk about a player that last was great 22 years ago everytime a current player has a good game or bad game. I'd rather Lebron vs Kawhi threads, at least they matter to the current league.

Well it’s not really a debate right now that kawh is better(and I picked lebron as best player in the poll thread). Lebron has to ramp up his scoring and that might not be enough

[FromDowntown]

I would honestly love if this debate died. I think Jordan is better by the way, but we don't need to constantly talk about a player that last was great 22 years ago everytime a current player has a good game or bad game. I'd rather Lebron vs Kawhi threads, at least they matter to the current league.

LeBron is top 1 all time. Kawhi is top 30 ish? Maybe? So unless you are specifically talking about comparing them for the 2020 season then...

[3ball]

Lebron didn't win a title without an elite scoring guard..

And PF

[3ball]

No Pip, no chip


:

Pippen was lucky to play in the 2-star vs. 2-star decade (90's) alongside the goat because obviously, the goat wins with anyone in a 2-star format



No Pip, no chip

No Wade, YES Chip



Lebron needed 2 star teammates, which is greater than just Pippen... And Wade/AD/Kyrie all provided superior statistical production than Pippen

[Smoke117]

lol The obsession is beyond deranged at this point for 3ball. He's literally been obsessively making Pippen hate threads to raise up MJ for 6 months straight now...just nonstop. Hate threads that made no sense since Jordan is basically already unanimously considered the GOAT. It's bizarre how upset he gets if ANYBODY on the bulls gets any kind of acknowledgement. In 3ball's fried brain Jordan was playing 1 on 5 his entire career apparently. He likes to go on about how he's "educating" us all when nobody cares anyway. OP puts all other stans to shame with his obsession. I wouldn't at all be surprised if Jordan had a restraining order against him.

[Smoke117]

Lebron didn't win a title without an elite scoring guard..

And Kobrick has never won a title without a great big man. See how easy that is, chipmunk?

[3ball]

lol The obsession is beyond deranged at this point for 3ball. He's literally been obsessively making Pippen hate threads to raise up MJ for 6 months straight now...just nonstop. Hate threads that made no sense since Jordan is basically already unanimously considered the GOAT. It's bizarre how upset he gets if ANYBODY on the bulls gets any kind of acknowledgement. In 3ball's fried brain Jordan was playing 1 on 5 his entire career apparently. He likes to go on about how he's "educating" us all when nobody cares anyway. OP puts all other stans to shame with his obsession. I wouldn't at all be surprised if Jordan had a restraining order against him.

It's because Roundball started creating false narrative about Pippen.. But ultimately, our discussions resulted in the following conclusion:

Pippen was lucky to play in the 2-star vs. 2-star decade (90's) alongside the goat because obviously, the goat wins with anyone in a 2-star format (the best player will win the most in a 2-star format)

[Roundball_Rock]

lol The obsession is beyond deranged at this point for 3ball. He's literally been obsessively making Pippen hate threads to raise up MJ for 6 months straight now...just nonstop. Hate threads that made no sense since Jordan is basically already unanimously considered the GOAT. It's bizarre how upset he gets if ANYBODY on the bulls gets any kind of acknowledgement. In 3ball's fried brain Jordan was playing 1 on 5 his entire career apparently. He likes to go on about how he's "educating" us all when nobody cares anyway. OP puts all other stans to shame with his obsession. I wouldn't at all be surprised if Jordan had a restraining order against him.

:applause:


And Kobrick has never won a title without a great big man. See how easy that is, chipmunk?

:oldlol:

[3ball]

:applause:



:oldlol:

Lol you stopped posting 5 hours a day about MJ/Pippen once I educated you about parity, which explained why MJ didn't win with Woolridge in the 80's (you needed many HOF's to win the 80's East - so Woolridge was unlucky that he didn't play with MJ in the 90's, when the better parity allowed 2-star teams to win)

Ultimately, 2-star formats have many teams meeting the standard of 2 stars, so there's more Finals-caliber teams... Otoh, 3-star formats only have 2 teams meeting the 3-star standard (aka Heat/Spurs and Cavs Warriors from 13-17'), so it's an easier path (big fish in small pond)

We see that Lebron's "toughest path" is considered this year, aka 2-star format.. he's no longer 1 of 2 teams with big 3's (free passes to Finals).. but MJ basically never lost in this format.. 6/6

Again, it makes sense that the goat would impact/win the most in a 2-star format despite his sidekick routinely getting 16 on 40%.. because he's the goat.. only MJ beat top teams and won Finals with his sidekick doing that

[3ball]

.
CAREER REGULAR SEASON

Wade.'.... 22.0.. 4.7.. 5.4.. 55.4 ts.. 23.5 PER.. 0.160 ws/48.. 5.0 BPM
Pippen... 16.1.. 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48.. 4.1 BPM

Kyrie...... 22.4.. 3.7.. 5.7.. 57.2 ts.. 22.2 PER.. 0.165 ws/48.. 4.5 BPM
Pippen... 16.1.. 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48.. 4.1 BPM

AD.......... 24.0.. 10.4.. 2.2.. 58.8 ts.. 27.4 PER.. 0.219 ws/48.. 6.3 BPM
Pippen... 16.1.... 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48.. 4.1 BPM


CAREER PLAYOFFS

Wade.'.... 22.3.. 5.2.. 4.9.. 54.9 ts.. 22.4 PER.. 0.155 ws/48.. 5.3 BPM
Pippen... 17.5.. 7.6.. 5.0.. 53.6 ts.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48.. 4.9 BPM

Kyrie...... 23.5.. 3.3.. 5.0.. 56.0 ts.. 21.4 PER.. 0.169 ws/48.. 4.2 BPM
Pippen... 17.5.. 7.6.. 5.0.. 53.6 ts.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48.. 4.9 BPM

AD.......... 28.8.. 10.8.. 2.8.. 63.3 ts.. 28.4 PER.. 0.243 ws/48.. 7.4 BPM
Pippen... 17.5.... 7.6.. 5.0.. 53.6 ts.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48.. 4.9 BPM


CAREER FINALS

Kyrie........ 28/4/4 on 47%
AD.....'...... 25/9/4 on 57%
Wade....... 24/5/5 on 47%
Pippen...'. 19/8/6 on 42%

Jordan.... 34/6/6 on 48%
Lebron.... 28/9/8 on 48%

(edit: lebron 28/10/8 in Finals)




Pippen is much better than given credit for at times but he simply isn't on the level of prime AD or Wade.


1997 Finals

Pippen........ 19/6/3 on 42%... last in clutch pts behind Ostertag
Stockton..'.. 15/4/9 on 50%... 2nd in clutch pts behind MJ


Pippen was horrible in the 97' Finals, so MJ was forced to make game-winning plays in 3 of the games.. Pippen also sucked in the 96' Finals and he underperformed in the 93' Finals (45% true shooting.. missed FT's cost Game 5.. let Dumas go off)

And Pippen was frequently outscored in earlier rounds where lesser opponents didn't have 3rd and 4th options to reduce 2nd option's stats... But the Finals opponents were deeper with 3rd and 4th scorers that took away from the 2nd option - the 93' Suns had 3 offensive all-stars, while the 96' Sonics had a 3 all-nba players... The 91' Lakers had 4 players average 17+ in the Finals...



Pippen is much better than given credit for at times but he simply isn't on the level of prime AD or Wade.


Pippen was outplayed by the following #2 options:

- 90' ECF (Dumars)
- 92' ECSF (X-Man)
- 93' 1st Round... (Willis)
- 94' ECSF (Ewing)
- 95' 1st Round (L Johnson)
- 96' ECSF (Oakley)
- 96' ECF (Penny)
- 96' Finals (Payton)
- 97' 1st Round (J Howard)
- 97' Finals (Stockton)
- 98' ECF (Smits)
- 99' 1st Round (Kobe)





Pippen isn't on the level of prime AD or Wade.





2012 Wade had higher PER, BPM, VORP and WS/48 than Pippen ever did!!

And Kyrie is a better scorer, passer and clutch player than Pippen, as the stats show above

ultimately, Wade, Kyrie and AD have higher PER/WS/BPM/peak VORP than Pippen

[tpols]

Wow I didn't know baby Kobe outplayed veteran Pippen in the '99 playoffs. Everybody remembers the 2000 WCF's where Kobe smoked him in the clutch with the alley oop to Shaq, but '99 seems to have been forgotten. Geez... Kobe smoked him. Pippen shot on 32% from the field and 27% from 3pt range.

:biggums:

Barkley went off and even had a better DRTG than Pippen. That's nuts. Even the old fat version of him was basically a superstar still.

[aj1987]

That’s on you if you feel he’s that high not me

You're a ****ing idiot, if you think Wade isn't top 18-22 all time.

[RRR3]

You're a ****ing idiot, if you think Wade isn't top 18-22 all time.
Eh you can argue Wade as low as like 25-30. I wouldn’t but you could. The guy you’re replying to thinks Iverson is top 5 tho lmao

[aj1987]

Eh you can argue Wade as low as like 25-30. I wouldn’t but you could. The guy you’re replying to thinks Iverson is top 5 tho lmao

There hasn't been 25 player greater all time than Wade. Unless you consider Isiah and the likes greater than him, which would be a completely asinine argument.

[3ball]

There hasn't been 25 player greater all time than Wade. Unless you consider Isiah and the likes greater than him, which would be a completely asinine argument.


Imagine if the Heat win in 2011 with Wade getting his 2nd title and FMVP - he'd be top 10 or at least borderline when you consider his 2 additional titles (4 titles, 2 FMVP)

And we know that 2012 Wade had higher PER, BPM, and WS/48 than any version of Pippen, despite deferring to Lebron that year.. Only in 13' and 14' did Wade fall to pippen's production level.

[aj1987]

Imagine if the Heat win in 2011 with Wade getting his 2nd title and FMVP - he'd be top 10 or at least borderline when you consider his 2 additional titles (4 titles, 2 FMVP)

And we know that 2012 Wade had higher PER, BPM, and WS/48 than any version of Pippen, despite deferring to Lebron that year.. Only in 13' and 14' did Wade fall to pippen's production level.

Even if Wade wins FMVP in '11, he's not top 10.

[999Guy]

Do you actually believe LeBron needs anyone to do any specific thing to win?

You are level 1 dumb.

Because LeBron has won titles with AD and Kyrie playing worse than him but playing well he needs it to win al the time?


Typing this I just remembered LeBron won with Wade playing like sewer trash in 13.


Again you are level 1 dumb. EVEN assuming your exaggerated primary argument was half true, it was still really stupid.

But it’s not even half true. LeBron has won a title with no star performances.

And you spam this stuff. Do you need this? To just throw shit at the wall? You SUCK at this and you’re not any level of fun because you refuse to be logical. Pathetic.

[k 96]

Anyone with a half brain knows that James is an OVERHYPED cupcake. James = LeHype "4 of 10" James.

The ROID head was carried by Dwayne Wade, and G@y Bosh, then carried by Irving, and finally by Anthony Davis, but ALWAYS by ESPN.

:banana:

[LeCramp]

3 finals MVP

You making filipinos look bad bro......be gone before I smack you with your flip flops