big daddy trump slapped silver again.

[bobopenguin]

Trump calls NBA political org. and not a good thing
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-calls-nba-political-org-203025913.html

I don't know much about the NBA protest. I know their ratings have been very bad 'cause I think people are a little tired of the NBA, frankly. But I don't know too much about the protest. But I know their ratings have been very bad. And that's too-- that's unfortunate. They've become like a political organization. And that's not a good thing. I don't think that's a good thing for sports or for the country.

silver is holding another L, he's letting players walk over his body at will, boycotted the game, postponing game without notice, then resume game after emotion settling.. lmao. Adam silver has no control over NBA.

[warriorfan]

Donald Trump is an absolute master of allusion. It’s pretty incredible.

[starface]

This kind of thing I hate, personally. I understand why hes doing it but I wish he wouldnt.

He’s right, sports shouldnt be political. Which means the President shouldnt be engaging in petty spats with athletes, even if they instigate it.

This is not a policy issue so I wish he wouldnt waste his time on it. I appreciate him putting politicians and media on blast in unconventional ways, bc they wield a lot of corrupt power. Feuding publicly with ignorant twenty year olds who put a ball in a hoop should be beneath him. It’s a bad look.

[coin24]

Trump daddy telling it like it is :cheers:

It's a sport that their payed to play. So do that.
People aren't paying for their heavily biased political propaganda..

People will argue that they are using their platform, wrong, they are uneducated and not qualified to do so.
Put the ball in the hoop and shut the fu*k up, OR, go and be a full time activist

[Overdrive]

Trump calls NBA political org. and not a good thing
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-calls-nba-political-org-203025913.html

I don't know much about the NBA protest. I know their ratings have been very bad 'cause I think people are a little tired of the NBA, frankly. But I don't know too much about the protest. But I know their ratings have been very bad. And that's too-- that's unfortunate. They've become like a political organization. And that's not a good thing. I don't think that's a good thing for sports or for the country.

silver is holding another L, he's letting players walk over his body at will, boycotted the game, postponing game without notice, then resume game after emotion settling.. lmao. Adam silver has no control over NBA.

From a business standpoint Silver did the right thing. He can't force the players to play. Most of them have enough money so they won't care for that. They're the product, he needs them. Giving them 2 days off under the "protest" tag hurts less than cancelling the season.

It also doesn't make the NBA a political organisation or is anyone's job automatically a political organisation the moment someone voices an opinion?

I do think the players are retarded though. They live a millionaire lifestyle, were treated as golden children the moment someone found out they had talent no matter if they came from the hood, middle or upper class.

They can't relate. The only reason they act like they can is because they're black. I doubt Lebron ever came close to a situation where 6 officers were about to empty their clip on him.

[bladefd]

Donald Trump is an absolute master of allusion. It’s pretty incredible.

Wipe Trump's sperm off your mouth, buddy. It's gross

[Gohan]

Make sure y’all go and vote, and not for trumps ol raggedy toupe wearing ass

[ZenMaster]

Make sure y’all go and vote, and not for trumps ol raggedy toupe wearing ass

Haha here comes the fake hair theory again :lol

[~primetime~]

MLB games being cancelled today...players on protest


When NFL starts up week 1 is going to be one big BLM parade...

If Trump 'protests the protests' it's only going to fuel them more...all this shit will go away if people just agree that black lives matter and stop acting like the world is ending over it

[Patrick Chewing]

MLB games being cancelled today...players on protest


When NFL starts up week 1 is going to be one big BLM parade...

If Trump 'protests the protests' it's only going to fuel them more...all this shit will go away if people just agree that black lives matter and stop acting like the world is ending over it

Why do we all have to think like you? Black Lives Matter is a horrible movement. Blacks have it the best they've ever had it in 2020, so saying Black Lives Matter is redundant and stupid.


More and more people are being turned off by the movement, so I suggest you jump on board.

[~primetime~]

Why do we all have to think like you? Black Lives Matter is a horrible movement. Blacks have it the best they've ever had it in 2020, so saying Black Lives Matter is redundant and stupid.


More and more people are being turned off by the movement, so I suggest you jump on board.

Kap started the player kneeling/protesting 4 years ago and in that time it all but vanished completely only to be revived by Trump declaring players must stand...Trumps tweets resulted in all the players kneeling together. The shit would have been gone forever had Trump just not gotten involved.

I don't like politics in my sports either...But this shit will go away if people would just let it go away...mainly Trump needs to let it go away

[starface]

MLB games being cancelled today...players on protest


When NFL starts up week 1 is going to be one big BLM parade...

If Trump 'protests the protests' it's only going to fuel them more...all this shit will go away if people just agree that black lives matter and stop acting like the world is ending over it

Yeah, Im sure theyll stop pushing the envelope as soon as people agree to a three word slogan :lol

[starface]

Kap started the player kneeling/protesting 4 years ago and in that time it all but vanished completely only to be revived by Trump declaring players must stand...Trumps tweets resulted in all the players kneeling together. The shit would have been gone forever had Trump just not gotten involved.

I don't like politics in my sports either...But this shit will go away if people would just let it go away...mainly Trump needs to let it go away


So youre basically saying their efforts and energies have all been about protesting Trump and not about police killings they feel are unjustified??

Interesting.

[starface]

PT desperately wants to pin this all on orange man.

I mean I dont like attacking the guy personally, but... what can I say?? Hes either REALLY slow and simple, or hes flat out shamelessly dishonest. It is automatically one or the two.

It’s such a sad look. Whatre ya DOIN prime time?? :facepalm

[~primetime~]

So youre basically saying their efforts and energies have all been about protesting Trump and not about police killings they feel are unjustified??

Interesting.

I'm saying when Trump 'protests the protests' he creates more protests

[starface]

I'm saying when Trump 'protests the protests' he creates more protests


So then you ARE saying group kneeling and tshirts and boycotts are about insensitive tweets and not about black men killed by police.

I think thats a very insulting insinuation to the athletes protesting, altho Im not saying it’s inaccurate.

[~primetime~]

So then you ARE saying group kneeling and tshirts and boycotts are about insensitive tweets and not about black men killed by police.

I think thats a very insulting insinuation to the athletes protesting, altho Im not saying it’s inaccurate.

nope, that's not what I said...I'll repeat it

when Trump gets involved, he makes it worse

[~primetime~]

you guys probably don't follow NFL, but I'm used to this cycle...

https://media1.fdncms.com/sacurrent/imager/u/slideshow/5998892/screen_shot_2017-09-26_at_12.20.48_pm.png

^^^ that's followed Trump tweets on players disrespecting the flag...AFTER the kneeling shit had gone away

[starface]

you guys probably don't follow NFL, but I'm used to this cycle...

https://media1.fdncms.com/sacurrent/imager/u/slideshow/5998892/screen_shot_2017-09-26_at_12.20.48_pm.png

^^^ that's followed Trump tweets on players disrespecting the flag...AFTER the kneeling shit had gone away


Okay, so then youre saying that demonstration is a response to Trump, not to injustice.

That is the blunt logical conclusion YOU are asserting.

Youre trying to undermine Trump while simultaneously preserving the “integrity” of the protesters.

It cant be one or the other dude. Thats not how reason works.

[~primetime~]

you're trying to make it black and white...It has to be Trump OR racial injustice...can't be BOTH

Trump adds fuel to the fire...he does...I'm sorry

Kap initially started kneeling out of racial injustice and it had ZERO to do with Trump, but when Trump gets involved it only increases their cause....and that can be seen in the NFL where the entire Cowboys team kneels in response to some Trump tweets

[starface]

you're trying to make it black and white...It has to be Trump OR racial injustice...can't be BOTH

Trump adds fuel to the fire...he does...I'm sorry

Kap initially started kneeling out of racial injustice and it had ZERO to do with Trump, but when Trump gets involved it only increases their cause....and that can be seen in the NFL where the entire Cowboys team kneels in response to some Trump tweets

Okay then.

So if they didnt kneel for social justice when Kap did, and they only kneeled as a way to one-up Donald Trump, then there we go.

95% of these players dont care about social justice, they care about virtue signaling.

Thats all I wanted to clarify.

[falc39]

A lot of athletes are black and in some sports like the NBA especially, it is a big a part of their identity and culture. I don’t think there are many easy solutions here but there is just no way you can wish this to go away. Saying dumb stuff like “All lives matter” just adds more fuel to the fire.

[~primetime~]

what started out as a small group protesting racial injustice ended up the entire NFL after Trump disagrees with their protest...that's what I saw prior to any of the current events

[starface]

what started out as a small group protesting racial injustice ended up the entire NFL after Trump disagrees with their protest...that's what I saw prior to any of the current events


Okay, fair enough.

[starface]

A lot of athletes are black and in some sports like the NBA especially, it is a big a part of their identity and culture. I don’t think there are many easy solutions here but there is just no way you can wish this to go away. Saying dumb stuff like “All lives matter” just adds more fuel to the fire.


Well we havent seen any evidence that any of the protested incidents so far have been racially motivated.

And we know black homicide in general is not a big deal to these guys.

So race is kind of an inserted narrative that touches a lot of people emotionally and compels them to act politically, even if a closer look reveals that a lot of the narrative‘s dots dont actually connect.

It seems to have worked on you as well. Im not sure why youre bringing their race up. But again, thats the popular narrative sweeping the streets and maybe youre caught up in it without having examined it very closely.

[falc39]

Well we havent seen any evidence that any of the protested incidents so far have been racially motivated.

And we know black homicide in general is not a big deal to these guys.

So race is kind of an inserted narrative that touches a lot of people emotionally and compels them to act politically, even if a closer look reveals that a lot of the narrative‘s dots dont actually connect.

It seems to have worked on you as well. Im not sure why youre bringing their race up. But again, thats the popular narrative sweeping the streets and maybe youre caught up in it without having examined it very closely.

Why I am bringing race up? There are a ton of threads on here about it. I am just saying what I observe. Like 90%+ of the NBA is black, the reality is the issue wont be ignored no matter how many logical facts are thrown at it. Ever try to argue an emotional issue using statistics in real life? It doesn’t work.

[ZenMaster]

what started out as a small group protesting racial injustice ended up the entire NFL after Trump disagrees with their protest...that's what I saw prior to any of the current events

Trump disagreed with their protests and still do, his opinion is they disrespect the flag. But he also did something else than just talk about their protests;


"I'm going to ask all of those people to recommend to me—because that's what they're protesting—people that they think were unfairly treated by the justice system. And I understand that. I'm going to ask them to recommend to me people that were unfairly treated and I'm gonna take a look at those applications and if I find and my committee finds that they've been unfairly treated then we'll pardon them. Or at least let them out."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2780143-president-donald-trump-asks-nfl-players-for-recommendations-on-who-to-pardon

[bladefd]

A lot of athletes are black and in some sports like the NBA especially, it is a big a part of their identity and culture. I don’t think there are many easy solutions here but there is just no way you can wish this to go away. Saying dumb stuff like “All lives matter” just adds more fuel to the fire.

I think that's the whole objective of "all lives matter" - to add fuel to the fire. They see "black lives matter" and mentally add "only" after it when they should be adding "too".

If it was "black lives matter only" then I as Asian would never support it and neither would most of the country. But it's not that.

[starface]

I think that's the whole objective of "all lives matter" - to add fuel to the fire. They see "black lives matter" and mentally add "only" after it when they should be adding "too".

If it was "black lives matter only" then I as Asian would never support it and neither would most of the country. But it's not that.


So why leave it ambiguous?

Why not just add 'too' to the slogan?

I guess that wouldnt be divise enough. We have to be as divisive as possible while blaming Orange Man for division. Irrational ideas and behavior require cognitive dissonance.

You're part of an ideological crew of absolute retards. And you fit in perfectly.

[warriorfan]

Both prime and MillerTime have suggested that the riots are solely because of Trump and they won’t stop until he’s out of office, so it’s just best to give them their way, or you know, they will keep terrorizing.

~ItsOsamaTime~.

[falc39]

I think that's the whole objective of "all lives matter" - to add fuel to the fire. They see "black lives matter" and mentally add "only" after it when they should be adding "too".

If it was "black lives matter only" then I as Asian would never support it and neither would most of the country. But it's not that.

A lot of it has to do with situational awareness. No one should really need to say “All lives matter” because everyone already inherently understands it. It’s like saying “the sky is blue”. But in the wrong situation, it’s also a very scummy thing to say. Would any decent person go to a funeral and make statements of “All lives matter”? How about at a memorial for 9/11 victims? No you wouldn’t and people shouldn’t need much social awareness to understand that.

[starface]

A lot of it has to do with situational awareness. No one should really need to say “All lives matter” because everyone already inherently understands it. It’s like saying “the sky is blue”. But in the wrong situation, it’s also a very scummy thing to say. Would any decent person go to a funeral and make statements of “All lives matter”? How about at a memorial for 9/11 victims? No you wouldn’t and people shouldn’t need much social awareness to understand that.

Which explains the countless murders in Chicago and elsewhere.

Strong logic.

Hella woke.

[falc39]

Which explains the countless murders in Chicago and elsewhere.

Strong logic.

Hella woke.

You don’t need others to be decent to give you the green light to be decent. Always pointing at others. Honestly, you sound flat-out miserable.

[starface]

You don’t need others to be decent to give you the green light to be decent. Always pointing at others. Honestly, you sound flat-out miserable.

What do you mean?

You said “nobody needs to say all lives matter, bc everyone understands it.” Thats a quote. Those are your words.

And I could say the same for Black Lives Matter.

And youd say theres evidence not everyone does understand black lives matter!

And Id say theres evidence not everyone does understand all lives matter!

So thus your point is flat out illogical. You made a terrible argument and now you seem to wanna deflect.

[falc39]

What do you mean?

You said “nobody needs to say all lives matter, bc everyone understands it.” Thats a quote. Those are your words.

And I could say the same for Black Lives Matter.

And youd say theres evidence not everyone does understand black lives matter!

And Id say theres evidence not everyone does understand all lives matter!

So basically, youre made a terrible argument and now you seem to wanna deflect.

Well then I guess if you lack awareness and are trapped in a tribal mindset you could not understand Why others would find it distasteful.

And thanks for ignoring the whole other part of my post. Are you saying you don’t understand why saying all lives matter in the wrong situation is a scummy thing to say?

[starface]

Well then I guess if you lack awareness and are trapped in a tribal mindset you could not understand Why others would find it distasteful.

And thanks for ignoring the whole other part of my post. Are you saying you don’t understand why saying all lives matter in the wrong situation is a scummy thing to say?

No, I understand completely. It hurts your feelings. For some bizarre reason.

The phrase “black lives matter” is intentionally racializing a STATISTICALLY non racial issue.

And you find it distasteful for someone to assert that health and safety shouldnt be an issue we segregate by race. You dont mind someone pushing the envelope saying “BLM” but if someone pushes back then your panties catch fire.

The TDS has gone to your head pal. Soundin super low IQ these days.

[falc39]

No, I understand completely. It hurts your feelings. For some bizarre reason.

The phrase “black lives matter” is intentionally racializing a STATISTICALLY non racial issue.

And you find it distasteful for someone to assert that health and safety shouldnt be an issue we segregate by race. You dont mind someone pushing the envelope saying “BLM” but if someone pushes back then your panties catch fire.

The TDS has gone to your head pal. Soundin super low IQ these days.

Lol, I’m not even trying to sound smart, just pointing out simple things that a decent human being should be able to understand. You’re the one getting bent out of shape like you always do. Always complaining about divisiveness yet can’t help but try to make everything as divisive as you can. Get help.

[starface]

Lol, I’m not even trying to sound smart, just pointing out simple things that a decent human being should be able to understand. You’re the one getting bent out of shape like you always do. Always complaining about divisiveness yet can’t help but try to make everything as divisive as you can. Get help.


You should understand Ive literally never said or typed “ALM” in a serious context. I dont counter cheap slogans with more cheap slogans. I argue with substance. So “ALM” means nothing to me. Who says any life matters? It’s a an opinion. Youre free to value or not value whatever person or group or institution you want. Unless youre a rigid conformist, in which case youll probably just value what youre told to. And theres no righteousness in that. Regardless of how strenuously the TV news conditions you to think otherwise.

I solely stepped in here because my “bad argument” alarm went off and I had to check you. Now youre upset.

A thousand apologies.

[Hittin_Shots]

Lol, I’m not even trying to sound smart, just pointing out simple things that a decent human being should be able to understand. You’re the one getting bent out of shape like you always do. Always complaining about divisiveness yet can’t help but try to make everything as divisive as you can. Get help.

Could you? You're probably going to have to do a 180 on your terrible opinion to do so though.

[falc39]

Could you? You're probably going to have to do a 180 on your terrible opinion to do so though.

Please, tell me why my opinion is so terrible. Telling someone all lives matter when they are upset at a particular loss of life is a very insensitive thing to say. Do you disagree?

[Hittin_Shots]

Please, tell me why my opinion is so terrible. Telling someone all lives matter when they are upset at a particular loss of life is a very insensitive thing to say. Do you disagree?

When the thing they're upset with is utter bullshit they can deal with a truthful statement or fk right off. Career criminals getting killed while resisting arrest should not upset u just cz they're the same colour as u. MSM may tell u it's only black people that these things happen to but show some intelligence and realise that's a blatant lie used to turn race against race.

People don't want blacks to act like victims because it is detrimental to them. It's honestly ****ed that if they don't act like a victim the ones acting like victims turn against them.. how is that good for them?

Also noones saying to say all lives matter to someone actually connected to the deceased.. So your examples are nonsensical.

[falc39]

When the thing they're upset with is utter bullshit they can deal with a truthful statement or fk right off. Career criminals getting killed while resisting arrest should not upset u just cz they're the same colour as u. MSM may tell u it's only black people that these things happen to but show some intelligence and realise that's a blatant lie used to turn race against race.

People don't want blacks to act like victims because it is detrimental to them. It's honestly ****ed that if they don't act like a victim the ones acting like victims turn against them.. how is that good for them?

Also noones saying to say all lives matter to someone actually connected to the deceased.. So your examples are nonsensical.

So basically- it’s bullshit, **** right off, and stop being a victim. Quite the conflict resolution expert we have here.

You also don’t need to know someone to feel connected to them. That’s common knowledge.

[Hittin_Shots]

So basically- it’s bullshit, **** right off, and stop being a victim. Quite the conflict resolution expert we have here.

You also don’t need to know someone to feel connected to them. That’s common knowledge.

When u say it back it's clear that would stop the conflict.

[Axe]

I'm saying when Trump 'protests the protests' he creates more protests
Because they say the more, the merrier. Simple as that.

[Shogon]

Both prime and MillerTime have suggested that the riots are solely because of Trump and they won’t stop until he’s out of office, so it’s just best to give them their way, or you know, they will keep terrorizing.

~ItsOsamaTime~.

“ItsOsamaTime” hahahaha

[DoctorP]

is Silver going to parade his zionist clown symbol Drake in front of the international Toronto audience again?

why so serious?

[DoctorP]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/ycCD6qTrOX10TRnsxA/giphy.gif
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[insidehoops]

is Silver going to parade his zionist clown symbol Drake in front of the international Toronto audience again?

why so serious?

What does this deranged shit even mean? What's going on in your brain to suggest that typing this sort of crap makes sense?

Drake is a Raptors fan, so if they win a title, he likes celebrating with the team.

[DoctorP]

What does this deranged shit even mean?

Drake is a Raptors fan, so if the Raptors win championships he likes to go to their parade.

Hello communist Insidehoops

It means that if Silver can get his record industry friends some self promotion in front of an international audience and make some extra dough, he's in like Flynn.

Also, allowed to clown like if it was his show.

FRONT AND CENTER

ARe you going to censor me again?

[insidehoops]

Hello communist Insidehoops

It means that if Silver can get his record industry friends some self promotion in front of an international audience and make some extra dough, he's in like Flynn.


FRONT AND CENTER

ARe you going to censor me again?

What are you even talking about?

Adam Silver has absolutely nothing to do with Drake, the most famous Raptors fan in the world, going to the Raptors championship parade. What does the word "zionist" have to do with any aspect of this?

Celeb fans of each team often go to their team's championship parade. This is a really obvious statement, yes?

[Patrick Chewing]

I don't see the NBA ever recovering from this. Nobody wants to see this social justice crap infuse itself into professional sports. This would have never happened under David Stern.

Stern was one tough Jew. Silver is a Beta Jew. A cuck Jew. We Jews have power and he gives us Jews a bad name. He's letting the barbarians run the league and in turn, ruin a once wholesome and pure sport.

[DoctorP]

What are you even talking about?

Adam Silver has absolutely nothing to do with Drake, the most famous Raptors fan in the world, going to the Raptors championship parade.

stop playing dumb. Silver is the commissioner of the NBA, you know that. These moves are all done under his direction.

Entertainment industry ties are deep.

You know who runs the game. And its their agenda. God bless em.

[DoctorP]

I don't see the NBA ever recovering from this. Nobody wants to see this social justice crap infuse itself into professional sports. This would have never happened under David Stern.

Stern was one tough Jew. Silver is a Beta Jew. A cuck Jew. We Jews have power and he gives us Jews a bad name. He's letting the barbarians run the league and in turn, ruin a once wholesome and pure sport.

Silvers trying new things. Black jewish integration is on the agenda. HipHop money is powerful.

[insidehoops]

stop playing dumb. Silver is the commissioner of the NBA, you know that. These moves are all done under his direction.

Entertainment industry ties are deep.

You know who runs the game. And its their agenda. God bless em.

Fans going to their favorite team's championship parade isn't a "move" that requires any assistance from the league commissioner.

If the Raptors win a title, they have a parade, and fans of the team go to the parade.

[DoctorP]

Fans going to their favorite team's championship parade isn't a "move" that requires any assistance from the league commissioner.

If the Raptors win a title, they have a parade, and fans of the team go to the parade.

was this a parade? lol.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/ycCD6qTrOX10TRnsxA/giphy.gif

https://media1.giphy.com/media/ycCD6qTrOX10TRnsxA/giphy.gif

insidehoops gtfoh

[insidehoops]

was this a parade? lol.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/ycCD6qTrOX10TRnsxA/giphy.gif

https://media1.giphy.com/media/ycCD6qTrOX10TRnsxA/giphy.gif

insidehoops gtfoh

No, that's a basketball game. Drake is a famous basketall fan who gets courtside seats and likes to be seen.

What does that have to do with Adam Silver or anything or anyone else?

[DoctorP]

No, that's a basketball game. Drake is a famous basketall fan who gets courtside seats and likes to be seen.

What does that have to do with Adam Silver or anything or anyone else?

I explained already. :confusedshrug::confusedshrug:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ7oht6TD9c

[Patrick Chewing]

Jeff or Steve, you have access to Adam Silver don't you? As part of the "media". Let him know that we here on ISH are extremely unhappy with what's going on.

Let him know that we DEMAND they remove social justice from the league and we DEMAND they stop allowing players to walk off the court and dictate what the league does, and that we DEMAND that arenas will be full come next season so long as people can wear a flimsy mask if that's what it's going to take. I know you will relay this message to that Beta Cuck Jew, Adam Silverstein.

[Penetrator]

I don't see the NBA ever recovering from this. Nobody wants to see this social justice crap infuse itself into professional sports. This would have never happened under David Stern.

Stern was one tough Jew. Silver is a Beta Jew. A cuck Jew. We Jews have power and he gives us Jews a bad name. He's letting the barbarians run the league and in turn, ruin a once wholesome and pure sport.

Seems like a lot of people are fed up with the entitled nba players. On top of the game itself heading in a terrible direction, now the league has become a sickening paid advertisement for the dems.

I wonder what would happen if a player wore a maga hat after a game and said he was proud of his country?

[DoctorP]

Seems like a lot of people are fed up with the entitled nba players. On top of the game itself heading in a terrible direction, now the league has become a sickening paid advertisement for the dems.

I wonder what would happen if a player wore a maga hat after a game and said he was proud of his country?

https://media.tenor.com/images/3ceb21782fb76ac2b4d8230a5b17244e/tenor.gif

[Patrick Chewing]

Seems like a lot of people are fed up with the entitled nba players. On top of the game itself heading in a terrible direction, now the league has become a sickening paid advertisement for the dems.

I wonder what would happen if a player wore a maga hat after a game and said he was proud of his country?

They'd be ostracized and sent on a plane to join the UBL the next day. The Ugandan Basketball League.

[DoctorP]

They'd be ostracized and sent on a plane to join the UBL the next day. The Ugandan Basketball League.

nah, they would ride the bench, be demoted to the NBDL and end up in China somewhere. Reddick knows this. He's at the front of the BLM cause.

[Nanners]

No one should really need to say “All lives matter” because everyone already inherently understands it. It’s like saying “the sky is blue”.

Is the same not true for "black lives matter"? Everyone inherently understands that "all lives matter", therefore they must also be aware of the fact that "black lives matter", right?


But in the wrong situation, it’s also a very scummy thing to say. Would any decent person go to a funeral and make statements of “All lives matter”? How about at a memorial for 9/11 victims? No you wouldn’t and people shouldn’t need much social awareness to understand that.

We arent talking about people going to a funeral or memorial, we are talking about a group that has been protesting at govt buildings every single night for the past ~95ish days in some cities (like mine)... a group that (despite their name) only seems to care about black lives when its a life that was ended by a white person.

What happened to you man? You used to be a ruthlessly critical thinker... now it seems like you just post whatever tired old woke take is the flavor of the month. Are you really unable to see all the obvious contradictions and absurdities in the BLM movement?

[falc39]

Is the same not true for "black lives matter"? Everyone inherently understands that "all lives matter", therefore they must also be aware of the fact that "black lives matter", right?



We arent talking about people going to a funeral or memorial, we are talking about a group that has been protesting at govt buildings every single night for the past ~95ish days in some cities (like mine)... a group that (despite their name) only seems to care about black lives when its a life that was ended by a white person.

What happened to you man? You used to be a ruthlessly critical thinker... now it seems like you just post whatever tired old woke take is the flavor of the month. Are you really unable to see all the obvious contradictions and absurdities in the BLM movement?

It doesn't matter if it is a funeral or a memorial. It doesn't need to be that specific. If I go to an ALS charity and go, but hey, what about all the other people who die from cancer, or car crashes? Way more people are dying from that! Their lives matter too. Well yes, I'm right, but none of you see how off-putting making that kind of argument would be in that particular context? Is it really that hard to see that even if you are right, you could be making it worse and more divisive? I'm dumbfounded that so many people are arguing over this. I just pointed out that without situational awareness, people are making this worse. And then they try to argue with more logic and statistics, as if this was a pure logical argument, which it isn't. This isn't rocket-science. I'm not trying to sound smart. We are dealing with other people. It's basic human interaction.

There is a time to be a ruthless critical thinker as I have done it many times when it comes to Trump. I will no doubt do the same if Biden wins as I see him as bad as Trump. But with stuff like this, it sucks, and does being ruthless solve anything? Just the other day, protestors vandalized the home of San Jose's mayor (https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/south-bay/san-jose-mayor-sam-liccardos-home-vandalized/2354340/). Not cool at all. Which brings me to my next point. Why do you guys see everything in such black and white? There is no middle ground ever on here. I never went out and protested. I'm not even a part of the BLM movement in any way, shape, or form and I would agree that a lot of what they do ends up being counter-productive. But somehow trying to empathize with them in any way and suddenly I'm like one of the protestors and posting "woke takes" (whatever that means)? There isn't always just two extremes. There is sometimes a middle ground and some of us are interested in seeing things through different perspectives and trying to figure out how to bridge the gap. Maybe I need to start explaining myself like this now whenever I post something before you all attack me, but then again, maybe we should ask why that has to be in the first place. The zealotic and extreme nature of this forum just ain't healthy sometimes. It was the same in that COVID thread. I can't be the only one who is noticing this.

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It doesn't matter if it is a funeral or a memorial. It doesn't need to be that specific. If I go to an ALS charity and go, but hey, what about all the other people who die from cancer, or car crashes? Way more people are dying from that! Their lives matter too. Well yes, I'm right, but none of you see how off-putting making that kind of argument would be in that particular context? Is it really that hard to see that even if you are right, you could be making it worse and more divisive? I'm dumbfounded that so many people are arguing over this. I just pointed out that without situational awareness, people are making this worse. And then they try to argue with more logic and statistics, as if this was a pure logical argument, which it isn't. This isn't rocket-science. I'm not trying to sound smart. We are dealing with other people. It's basic human interaction.

There is a time to be a ruthless critical thinker as I have done it many times when it comes to Trump. I will no doubt do the same if Biden wins as I see him as bad as Trump. But with stuff like this, it sucks, and does being ruthless solve anything? Just the other day, protestors vandalized the home of San Jose's mayor (https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/south-bay/san-jose-mayor-sam-liccardos-home-vandalized/2354340/). Not cool at all. Which brings me to my next point. Why do you guys see everything in such black and white? There is no middle ground ever on here. I never went out and protested. I'm not even a part of the BLM movement in any way, shape, or form and I would agree that a lot of what they do ends up being counter-productive. But somehow trying to empathize with them in any way and suddenly I'm like one of the protestors and posting "woke takes" (whatever that means)? There isn't always just two extremes. There is sometimes a middle ground and some of us are interested in seeing things through different perspectives and trying to figure out how to bridge the gap. Maybe I need to start explaining myself like this now whenever I post something before you all attack me, but then again, maybe we should ask why that has to be in the first place. The zealotic and extreme nature of this forum just ain't healthy sometimes. It was the same in that COVID thread. I can't be the only one who is noticing this.


Except nobody is barging into private, peaceful BLM gatherings at a local banquet hall to say ALL LVIES MATTER.

They are responding to an aggressive and intrusive political movement, for which “Black Lives Matter” is a formally adopted political slogan.

You should just stop. Theres no saving this one.

[Nanners]

It doesn't matter if it is a funeral or a memorial. It doesn't need to be that specific. If I go to an ALS charity and go, but hey, what about all the other people who die from cancer, or car crashes? Way more people are dying from that! Their lives matter too. Well yes, I'm right, but none of you see how off-putting making that kind of argument would be in that particular context?

Except we arent talking about going to a funeral or memorial or even a BLM charity event...

You said that no one should ever need to say "all lives matter", because everyone inherently understands it to be true... my response was that if your statement is true, then nobody ever needs to say "black lives matter" because its obviously inherently understood as well... do you have any response to that?

I'm not really sure what any of this has to do with hurting the feelings of some unseen/unknown people who arent participating in this discussion


There is a time to be a ruthless critical thinker as I have done it many times when it comes to Trump. I will no doubt do the same if Biden wins as I see him as bad as Trump. But with stuff like this, it sucks, and does being ruthless solve anything? Just the other day, protestors vandalized the home of San Jose's mayor (https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/south-bay/san-jose-mayor-sam-liccardos-home-vandalized/2354340/). Not cool at all. Which brings me to my next point. Why do you guys see everything in such black and white? There is no middle ground ever on here. I never went out and protested. I'm not even a part of the BLM movement in any way, shape, or form and I would agree that a lot of what they do ends up being counter-productive. But somehow trying to empathize with them in any way and suddenly I'm like one of the protestors and posting "woke takes" (whatever that means)? There isn't always just two extremes. There is sometimes a middle ground and some of us are interested in seeing things through different perspectives and trying to figure out how to bridge the gap.

By "ruthless" I meant you used to have very little tolerance for logical inconsistencies... not that you were mean to protesters or Biden supporters or whatever you seem to think I am saying.

Theres plenty of middle ground around these topics, and if you want to occupy that ground thats wonderful... but you cant stand on that ground if youre gonna say stupid shit like comparing the statement "all lives matter" to disrespecting a 9/11 memorial.


Maybe I need to start explaining myself like this now whenever I post something before you all attack me, but then again, maybe we should ask why that has to be in the first place. The zealotic and extreme nature of this forum just ain't healthy sometimes. It was the same in that COVID thread. I can't be the only one who is noticing this.

Yes, maybe you should explain things before you post again. Given the number of people coming after you in this thread its clear that I am not the only one who was either confused or bothered by what you had to say. I never remember you getting piled on like this back in the good ole days.

Anyway, despite the shit I am talking here, I do still have a tremendous amount of respect and love for you. I hope you get back to your old critical thinking ways soon... I miss the old you

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It doesn't matter if it is a funeral or a memorial. It doesn't need to be that specific. If I go to an ALS charity and go, but hey, what about all the other people who die from cancer, or car crashes? Way more people are dying from that! Their lives matter too. Well yes, I'm right, but none of you see how off-putting making that kind of argument would be in that particular context? Is it really that hard to see that even if you are right, you could be making it worse and more divisive? I'm dumbfounded that so many people are arguing over this. I just pointed out that without situational awareness, people are making this worse. And then they try to argue with more logic and statistics, as if this was a pure logical argument, which it isn't. This isn't rocket-science. I'm not trying to sound smart. We are dealing with other people. It's basic human interaction.

There is a time to be a ruthless critical thinker as I have done it many times when it comes to Trump. I will no doubt do the same if Biden wins as I see him as bad as Trump. But with stuff like this, it sucks, and does being ruthless solve anything? Just the other day, protestors vandalized the home of San Jose's mayor (https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/south-bay/san-jose-mayor-sam-liccardos-home-vandalized/2354340/). Not cool at all. Which brings me to my next point. Why do you guys see everything in such black and white? There is no middle ground ever on here. I never went out and protested. I'm not even a part of the BLM movement in any way, shape, or form and I would agree that a lot of what they do ends up being counter-productive.But somehow trying to empathize with them in any way and suddenly I'm like one of the protestors and posting "woke takes" (whatever that means)? There isn't always just two extremes. There is sometimes a middle ground and some of us are interested in seeing things through different perspectives and trying to figure out how to bridge the gap. Maybe I need to start explaining myself like this now whenever I post something before you all attack me, but then again, maybe we should ask why that has to be in the first place. The zealotic and extreme nature of this forum just ain't healthy sometimes. It was the same in that COVID thread. I can't be the only one who is noticing this.

The rest of us are in the middle as well. Virtually everyone to the ‘right’ of the issue is. Whom have you heard declare “Yeah, let police take target practice on black folks whenever they want, just for a little fun!”

Thats the extreme other end. Whom are you hearing that from? All Lives Matter is hardly extreme. Labeling posters “extreme” for challenging a flawed argument is absurd and disingenuous.

Youre simply making emotional arguments, not rational ones. Just because you and some other folks are emotional right now doesnt give you a right to bully others politically. And it looks especially pathetic when you berate people for pushing back on it.

If youve become a cuck (or if you always were one) that’s your issue to deal with.

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Except nobody is barging into private, peaceful BLM gatherings at a local banquet hall to say ALL LVIES MATTER.

They are responding to an aggressive and intrusive political movement, for which “Black Lives Matter” is a formally adopted political slogan.

You should just stop. Theres no saving this one.

That's not true, unless you are speaking for yourself and a few posters here, then sure I'll take you for your word. But you aren't speaking for everyone who have used "All lives matter" as a response to people who have said black lives matter. And not everyone who has said "black lives matter" who got the response "all lives matter" were doing so in a aggressive and intrusive way.


The rest of us are in the middle as well. Virtually everyone to the ‘right’ of the issue is. Whom have you heard declare “Yeah, let police take target practice on black folks whenever they want, just for a little fun!”

Thats the extreme other end. Whom are you hearing that from? All Lives Matter is hardly extreme. Labeling posters “extreme” for challenging a flawed argument is absurd and disingenuous.

Youre simply making emotional arguments, not rational ones. Just because you and some other folks are emotional right now doesnt give you a right to bully others politically. And it looks especially pathetic when you berate people for pushing back on it.

If youve become a cuck (or if you always were one) that’s your issue to deal with.

I only try to "bully" others when they personally attack me. You aren't any better as a bully yourself so I have no problem going at it.

You have to deal with the emotional part, you can't deal with just the rational and think it takes care of everything. Maybe you just lack the people skills to see that. I have a feeling that you have never been in a position of leadership or had to manage a lot of people. But then again, maybe I'm wrong and you do in real life and this forum is just your outlet to let out all of your negative feelings that you have that you can't say in real life. Who knows.

A couple months ago, Drew Brees, when asked the question about the current events in his sport at the time responded with his respect for the flag and talked about veterans fighting in previous wars. In isolation, there was nothing wrong with what he said, but in the context of that very moment, it was a really bad response. His teammate Michael Thomas, who has basically made a living making catches from him, responded "He don’t know no better." "We don’t care if you don’t agree and whoever else how about that.", with similar sentiments made from many others in the sports world. Drew Brees, in realizing the error that he made, had to apologize knowing that emotional IQ was the key to repairing the relationship with his star receiver and likely the whole rest of the team.

So maybe you just don't care about the emotional part or why saying something in the wrong situation makes it worse. That's fine, when you are posting here on a forum you don't need to care about it. But that's not reality and it doesn't fly in the real world. Drew Brees had to learn that the hard way. Me pointing out that something similar could be happening with the use of "All Lives Matter" shouldn't be making you mad.

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Except we arent talking about going to a funeral or memorial or even a BLM charity event...

You said that no one should ever need to say "all lives matter", because everyone inherently understands it to be true... my response was that if your statement is true, then nobody ever needs to say "black lives matter" because its obviously inherently understood as well... do you have any response to that?

I'm not really sure what any of this has to do with hurting the feelings of some unseen/unknown people who arent participating in this discussion


The point of that sentence, was that people who are saying black lives matters does know that all lives matter. Saying that back to them when they are trying to make a specific point and trying to reach out on an issue they have emotional concerns over does no good in the situation. The event, whether it is a funeral, memorial, charity, has little to do with it. If a friend came up to you and said he was having issues making ends meet and struggling financially, would you respond with, "well 99% of the world lives in poverty compared to you and there are children starving in Africa"? Do you think that is the right response? He understands that already (inherently so), no need to say it in his face. But now you have a strained relationship with your friend and you both are no better off. But then for black lives matter, people argue," all lives matter and you're just not seeing it from a rational point of view and you're being a victim". So then it just goes around in a circle and nothing actually gets better.



By "ruthless" I meant you used to have very little tolerance for logical inconsistencies... not that you were mean to protesters or Biden supporters or whatever you seem to think I am saying.

Theres plenty of middle ground around these topics, and if you want to occupy that ground thats wonderful... but you cant stand on that ground if youre gonna say stupid shit like comparing the statement "all lives matter" to disrespecting a 9/11 memorial.

Yes, maybe you should explain things before you post again. Given the number of people coming after you in this thread its clear that I am not the only one who was either confused or bothered by what you had to say. I never remember you getting piled on like this back in the good ole days.

Anyway, despite the shit I am talking here, I do still have a tremendous amount of respect and love for you. I hope you get back to your old critical thinking ways soon... I miss the old you

It's probably a little of both. I don't mind clarifying statements since it's easy to assume people know what you are talking about and maybe I am doing that here and guilty of that. At the same time, I would say from my observations that the middle ground is tolerated much less here than times before. It doesn't surprise me considering that's how it is in real life too. It is what it is. And thanks, I respect you a lot too and I'm not taking what was said personally. I know your posts from way back and I know where you are coming from. Always happy to see you posting, even if you aren't agreeing with me :cheers:

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A couple months ago, Drew Brees, when asked the question about the current events in his sport at the time responded with his respect for the flag and talked about veterans fighting in previous wars. In isolation, there was nothing wrong with what he said, but in the context of that very moment, it was a really bad response. His teammate Michael Thomas, who has basically made a living making catches from him, responded "He don’t know no better." "We don’t care if you don’t agree and whoever else how about that.", with similar sentiments made from many others in the sports world. Drew Brees, in realizing the error that he made, had to apologize knowing that emotional IQ was the key to repairing the relationship with his star receiver and likely the whole rest of the team.

So maybe you just don't care about the emotional part or why saying something in the wrong situation makes it worse. That's fine, when you are posting here on a forum you don't need to care about it. But that's not reality and it doesn't fly in the real world. Drew Brees had to learn that the hard way. Me pointing out that something similar could be happening with the use of "All Lives Matter" shouldn't be making you mad.


First of all, Brees’ original take was basically a typical thoughtless cliche. Conforming to a musical pledge of allegiance before throwing a football around has nothing to do with military veterans. He gave a silly but harmless take, and then when it offended for no good reason some idiot on the other side, who happened to have the power of the media behind him, Brees quickly responded to the condemnation like a dog being trained to be housebroken. It had nothing to do with leadership :roll: He lost the battle of publicity and thats why he flipped. It was basically two random athletes with generic and opposite political opinions, which should never be news, and the media playing magistrate. You trying to make him some kind of shining example of reformed sinner-turned-new-orleans saint is laughable.

You are asking people to lower their own IQ and cuck themselves for the sake of a loud and angry minority who are having emotional outbursts over a tiny group of ‘victims’, most of whom belligerent criminals, who dug their own grave. Nobody is obligated to do that, and nobody with any sense of pride should feel inclined to do it.

What youre saying is pathetic. Theres just no other way to put it. I’ll leave it at that.

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Falc, don't respond to starface. He is unstable and lashes out at everyone nonstop. I put all his alts on ignore - probably the only poster everyone should block.

[Nanners]

Always happy to see you posting, even if you aren't agreeing with me :cheers:

the feeling is mutual bud, much love :cheers: