If you score on only layups and 3’s

[Gohan]

Then you’re not a top tier scorer. Real scorers take midrange shots too. I await the butthurt posters now

[Marchesk]

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[ralph_i_el]

You're not wrong

[3ball]

A defense can think they're containing a player... Until they pull-up from mid-range a couple times in a row - now the defense must pay attention to this, which opens everything else up..

People think it's better to allow mid-range, but not to guys like Kawhi or KD.. if they're shooting mid-range at 50-60%, so there's no counter for that..

the defense must adjust, but how?.. it's mostly contested mid-range and there"s nothing you can do, except double team to get the ball out of their hands... and when a defense starts overtly doubling someone, that player has maximum control over the defense and the game.. but only hot jumpshooters attract these kinds of doubles (rim attackers are met at the rim with multiple defenders)

Ultimately, I believe the top scoring skill in basketball is the turnaround jumper and pull-up jumper off a hard-dribble.. So think of MJ's shot over Ehlo - he went hard one direction - then he pulled up, hang-time, release - it sounds simple, but many guys are horrific at this skill - think of Giannis or Zion... the guys that have the pull-up, hang, and shoot ability are Kawhi, KD, Kobe - the goat scorers... and MJ of course... Luka, Giannis and even Lebron lack this skillset, so they will be forever behind those that have it

[FireDavidKahn]

This is literally the entire point of "analytics"

[Gohan]

A defense can think they're containing a player... Until they pull-up from mid-range a couple times in a row - now the defense must pay attention to this, which opens everything else up..

People think it's better to allow mid-range, but not to guys like Kawhi or KD.. if they're shooting mid-range at 50-60%, so there's no counter for that..

the defense must adjust, but how?.. it's mostly contested mid-range and there"s nothing you can do, except double team to get the ball out of their hands... and when a defense starts overtly doubling someone, that player has maximum control over the defense and the game.. but only hot jumpshooters attract these kinds of doubles (rim attackers are met at the rim with multiple defenders)

Ultimately, I believe the top scoring skill in basketball is the turnaround jumper and pull-up jumper off a hard-dribble.. So think of MJ's shot over Ehlo - he went hard one direction - then he pulled up, hang-time, release - it sounds simple, but many guys are horrific at this skill - think of Giannis or Zion... the guys that have the pull-up, hang, and shoot ability are Kawhi, KD, Kobe - the goat scorers... and MJ of course... Luka, Giannis and even Lebron lack this skillset, so they will be forever behind those that have it

I don’t see why lebron fans don’t get this, notice the first three players you posted all have rings. Even though lebron has some he lost many opportunities to win more rings and be over Jordan. I’d rather win 6 rings over 3 any day. Difficulty doesn’t even matter it just tells me that lebron shouldn’t of switched teams. What if he would of stayed in Cleveland l? Does he win even 1 title?

[Bronbron23]

Then you’re not a top tier scorer. Real scorers take midrange shots too. I await the butthurt posters now

they'll never admit it. It dosnt matter how many more chips and fmvps are won by players with elite mids

[Vino24]

Curry matches MJ from midrange

[Bronbron23]

I don’t see why lebron fans don’t get this, notice the first three players you posted all have rings. Even though lebron has some he lost many opportunities to win more rings and be over Jordan. I’d rather win 6 rings over 3 any day. Difficulty doesn’t even matter it just tells me that lebron shouldn’t of switched teams. What if he would of stayed in Cleveland l? Does he win even 1 title?

lebrons mid has got much better though. He also uses the post a bit more. I wouldn't put him in a category with guys like harden.

[PeroAntic]

This is literally the entire point of "analytics"

thats why there flawed

[Bronbron23]

Curry matches MJ from midrange

wow, probably one of the worst takes ever. Curry's mids are usually wide open because the paints so wide open these days. Mj's were often against multiple defenders. Stats may be the same but its 2 totally different levels. Thats why you should watch games and not just trust stats buddy. You end up saying stupid shit:facepalm

[Vino24]

wow, probably one of the worst takes ever. Curry's mids are usually wide open because the paints so wide open these days. Mj's were often against multiple defenders. Stats may be the same but its 2 totally different levels. Thats why you should watch games and not just trust stats buddy. You end up saying stupid shit:facepalm
Curry doesn’t take more mid shots because 3>2 however it is most certain if he bumped up the level he would hit at a high clip

[FireDavidKahn]

thats why there flawed

No, you don't understand. Analytics can tell you where the best shots for any player are based on their history. If someone sucks at mid range then it'd be more optimal for them to avoid that shot.

The people who are great at mid range shots still take them as they always have. They are great at it and it's actually beneficial because they can make them. 90% of players can't, that's why virtually all elite scorers are good midrange shooters in addition to good on the inside and 3 point line.

[DMAVS41]

No, you don't understand. Analytics can tell you where the best shots for any player are based on their history. If someone sucks at mid range then it'd be more optimal for them to avoid that shot.

The people who are great at mid range shots still take them as they always have. They are great at it and it's actually beneficial because they can make them. 90% of players can't, that's why virtually all elite scorers are good midrange shooters in addition to good on the inside and 3 point line.

No, don't you get it. Andrew Wiggins plays the right way! He shoots the mid-range...everyone knows that is the key to winning titles. Shooting the mid-range...how dare anyone tell him to stop taking a bunch of shots he hits 35% of.

Analytics are a joke.

Did I do that right?

[Bronbron23]

Curry doesn’t take more mid shots because 3>2 however it is most certain if he bumped up the level he would hit at a high clip

3>2 is situational, its not always the case. And curry definitely isnt a bad shooter from mid. He's the best shooter ever for a reason. He just cant get it off against tough defenses like mj can. You coukd say the same comparing him to kd. Kd could get off a mid much easier than curry could. Thats why warriors usually went to kd in tough half court defensive games down the stretch.

[knicksman]

No, don't you get it. Andrew Wiggins plays the right way! He shoots the mid-range...everyone knows that is the key to winning titles. Shooting the mid-range...how dare anyone tell him to stop taking a bunch of shots he hits 35% of.

Analytics are a joke.

Did I do that right?

when the game is on the line. When you need a game winner. Would you trust a harden 3 over a kawhi 2? Theres a reason why most gamewinners are in the midrange area coz its the most effective. Analytics measure efficiency but not effectiveness just like it measures quantity but not quality. Thats the reason why espn prefers lebron but players prefer kobe coz analytics cannot measure the effectiveness of these players. And whoever is more effective in these tough situations wins. Thats why its the kobes the kawhis that wins not the lebrons or hardens coz they have the most effective style.

[Whoah10115]

No, don't you get it. Andrew Wiggins plays the right way! He shoots the mid-range...everyone knows that is the key to winning titles. Shooting the mid-range...how dare anyone tell him to stop taking a bunch of shots he hits 35% of.

Analytics are a joke.

Did I do that right?

You're stupid. You do nothing right.

Even your attempt at a joke sucked.

[FromDowntown]

No, don't you get it. Andrew Wiggins plays the right way! He shoots the mid-range...everyone knows that is the key to winning titles. Shooting the mid-range...how dare anyone tell him to stop taking a bunch of shots he hits 35% of.

Analytics are a joke.

Did I do that right?

:roll: :roll:

[bobopenguin]

Then you’re not a top tier scorer. Real scorers take midrange shots too. I await the butthurt posters now

sounds like james harden.

[Gohan]

sounds like james harden.

It’s luka too not just harden

[PeroAntic]

No, don't you get it. Andrew Wiggins plays the right way! He shoots the mid-range...everyone knows that is the key to winning titles. Shooting the mid-range...how dare anyone tell him to stop taking a bunch of shots he hits 35% of.

Analytics are a joke.

Did I do that right?

No, because your argument is the following: Wiggins is a bum, so everybody should just shoot threes and layups. ridiculous. As many have said before, the obsession with analytics forces players and coaches to abandon developing midrange and fundamentals, leading to uniform shitty basketball.

[Gohan]

No, because your argument is the following: Wiggins is a bum, so everybody should just shoot threes and layups. ridiculous. As many have said before, the obsession with analytics forces players and coaches to abandon developing midrange and fundamentals, leading to uniform shitty basketball.


This, it’s hard to watch just layups and 3’s