Every great civilization in history has fallen

[Vino24]

Will ours make it?

[highwhey]

We're already on the trajectory of ruin.

So, no.

[Table]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Iw5cVGEIA

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

That's right. Great nations have perished.

Who do we turn to to be saved from destruction?

[Derka]

No one. Nature is all about destroying things and re-growing them. Human civilizations are no exception to that, especially the ones arrogant enough to believe that nature is theirs to control.

[FKAri]

That's right. Great nations have perished.

Who do we turn to to be saved from destruction?

Lebron?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

No one. Nature is all about destroying things and re-growing them.

It's not nature that destroys and regrows things. Think again.



Human civilizations are no exception to that, especially the ones arrogant enough to believe that nature is theirs to control.

This is true---the arrogant do get humbled. But who really owns everything?

[Patrick Chewing]

We will not let the U.S. fail. Not if I have anything to do about it.

[Shogon]

We will not let the U.S. fail. Not if I have anything to do about it.

You have no say unless you have a time machine.

The Federal Reserve is hastening the death. That's the grand daddy of evil and no one is paying attention.

No one... is paying... attention.

[Rooster]

You have no say unless you have a time machine.

The Federal Reserve is hastening the death. That's the grand daddy of evil and no one is paying attention.

No one. is. paying. attention.

LMAO, you’re chasing a wild goose.

Do you think we got to the top by showing our every big move.

Federal Reserve is our biggest leverage.

Sanders should have not mess with that.

When push comes to shove.

Our military will come into play.

[HylianNightmare]

Every great civilization in history has fallen

Well I guess we will be ok then

[Axe]

Because nothing that lives can be eternal, dup.

[Derka]

It's not nature that destroys and regrows things. Think again.
No, it’s nature. Untamed, uncontrollable and beautiful in her chaos. It’s not the machinations of some spooky imaginary, invisible father figure invented thousands of years ago by primitive humans who were so afraid of dying that they made up a fake world where everyone who thinks like them can “live forever.”

[starface]

Make America A Great Civilization Again

[highwhey]

Make America A Great Civilization Again

one blade at a time

[diamenz]

"Look back over the past, with its changing empires that rose and fell, and you can foresee the future, too."

Marcus Aurelius

[Overdrive]

The american hegemon is different from past ones. US culture affected societies on a totally level. "Coke & jeans" will be still there when the US is long done. The whole western world is their product down to an individual level.


You have no say unless you have a time machine.

The Federal Reserve is hastening the death. That's the grand daddy of evil and no one is paying attention.

No one... is paying... attention.

Monetary wise maybe, but that's not the core problem.

Ever since the McCarthy era everyone cries communism at the slightest climpse of social ideas, but on core philosophy of communism is for the state to seize the means of production.

The US willfully let their production be outsourced to some chinese faux contractors. Basically handing it over to the CCP in the name of higher profit. China owns the US more or less. They can cut off their production on a whim.

Trump left alot openings to attack him, but trying to gain back sovereignty over the US' own production is a good move. The only one that can rescue the state itself.

[AirBonner]

What’s interesting is we are almost certainly the first society with the potential to control the very near cosmic surroundings. But We choose to ignore our cosmic environment. Ultimately that will be our demise

[Jasper]

Will ours make it?

not with Dump

[KennyPowers]

not with Dump

https://i.redd.it/70eey08tynxz.gif

I think her button says slut

[Rooster]

The american hegemon is different from past ones. US culture affected societies on a totally level. "Coke & jeans" will be still there when the US is long done. The whole western world is their product down to an individual level.



Monetary wise maybe, but that's not the core problem.

Ever since the McCarthy era everyone cries communism at the slightest climpse of social ideas, but on core philosophy of communism is for the state to seize the means of production.

The US willfully let their production be outsourced to some chinese faux contractors. Basically handing it over to the CCP in the name of higher profit. China owns the US more or less. They can cut off their production on a whim.

Trump left alot openings to attack him, but trying to gain back sovereignty over the US' own production is a good move. The only one that can rescue the state itself.

LOL interesting. Do China own Federal Reserve? What kind of logic are you are trying to insinuate here? Production? Hmmm.

We produced something in a whim that everyone need to buy necessary commodities. We produced something in a whim that China willing to trade off their cheap labor and making their resources cheap to make goods and sell it to us cheap. We produced something in a whim that every country in the world stockpile it like its their savings.

So our elites are gaining higher profit for moving manufacturing? ThatÂ’s our own prerogative. After all, it’s global economy and the capitalism that we created are running it. If China canÂ’t keep their country cheap, we can easily move them to another cheaper country that have good grip with their citizens like Vietnam.

[falc39]

LOL interesting. Do China own Federal Reserve? What kind of logic are you are trying to insinuate here? Production? Hmmm.

We produced something in a whim that everyone need to buy necessary commodities. We produced something in a whim that China willing to trade off their cheap labor and making their resources cheap to make goods and sell it to us cheap. We produced something in a whim that every country in the world stockpile it like its their savings.

So our elites are gaining higher profit for moving manufacturing? ThatÂ’s our own prerogative. After all, it’s global economy and the capitalism that we created are running it. If China canÂ’t keep their country cheap, we can easily move them to another cheaper country that have good grip with their citizens like Vietnam.

It is something we are trying to do, but it is not easy at all. The smaller countries plain don’t have the capacity or infrastructure China has and it can take a very long time to get to that point. Meanwhile, it appears China is having more success selling to other countries than the US has had success finding alternatives to China.

[falc39]

The american hegemon is different from past ones. US culture affected societies on a totally level. "Coke & jeans" will be still there when the US is long done. The whole western world is their product down to an individual level.



Monetary wise maybe, but that's not the core problem.

Ever since the McCarthy era everyone cries communism at the slightest climpse of social ideas, but on core philosophy of communism is for the state to seize the means of production.

The US willfully let their production be outsourced to some chinese faux contractors. Basically handing it over to the CCP in the name of higher profit. China owns the US more or less. They can cut off their production on a whim.

Trump left alot openings to attack him, but trying to gain back sovereignty over the US' own production is a good move. The only one that can rescue the state itself.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to move production back home, but to do so by trying to knock down China (which is basically Trump’s entire strategy in a nutshell) is just another problem and not a solution. The core of the issues that need to address lie here in our own country. Deflecting it to China won’t do anything to solve those issues.

Absolutely right the US willfully let production be outsourced. I would even call it that we wanted it to be outsourced. So quickly people forget that back in the day the whole rage and drum beat of the time was for us to have a ‘clean service economy‘ and that we were pretty much above certain work. Well, unintended consequences happened. Don’t really have anyone else to blame but ourselves.

[Im so nba'd out]

Will ours make it?

No.Im surprised the US lasted this long.


I wonder how long china we last

[Rooster]

It is something we are trying to do, but it is not easy at all. The smaller countries plain donÂ’t have the capacity or infrastructure China has and it can take a very long time to get to that point. Meanwhile, it appears China is having more success selling to other countries than the US has had success finding alternatives to China.


They are selling everything cheap so thats not a surprised. Their goal is to keep it that way. Their government is manipulating their currency and not bringing back any of their trade surplus . They keep stockpiling their dollar reserve and keep buying our bonds. So they are investing and loaning it somewhere while managing their inflation. They also building artificial island in the Pacific and trying to connect it together to create a choke point.

By them making everything cheap does not make sense for us to move those manufacturing. Once that is gone, we can move it to another and pump all the money to build infrastructure and support our goal.

63% of the global market brand that being sold is our brand. ThatÂ’s is more sustainable in the long run than China cheap and pirated stuff. China may build a reputable brand on everything but that will also take a very long time.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

No, it’s nature. Untamed, uncontrollable and beautiful in her chaos. It’s not the machinations of some spooky imaginary, invisible father figure invented thousands of years ago by primitive humans who were so afraid of dying that they made up a fake world where everyone who thinks like them can “live forever.”

If nature is "chaotic" than why do we on Earth observe the estimated trillions of cells of billions of organisms are arranged in an orderly fashion? Why are the eyes, ears, limbs, and inner systems of every organism organized in a brilliant, wise fashion?
Why are the planets circulating around the sun in an orderly fashion?
Why are electrons/protons/neutrons organized around atoms in an orderly fashion?
Why is it that if there's a small blip in the genetic code of something it could lead to a big aberration?
Why is it that if the Earth was to be a bit closer or a bit farther from the Sun than it would lead to death to the inhabitants of Earth by burning or freezing?
Why is this video: https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-omr-001&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=omr&p=fine+tuning+of+the+universe+youtube#id=2&vid=0b9b383a3bd57053f4990b960191ebaf&action=click

Does this "uncontrollable, untamed, beautiful" nature you mention also control the galaxies, stars, and celestial bodies? Does this "nature" you speak of also control the subatomic molecular levels? Both fields which have plenty of order and structure and patterns in them.

And what makes nature a "she"? Do you have any proof you can produce of this "nature" you speak of? Does "nature" have a beginning or an end?

And you have the disgusting, shameless audacity to mock the legitimate beliefs of men much wiser than you, who were much more in tune with what you describe as nature---having been free and pure of the polytheistic/atheist/materialist beliefs that plague modern humanity.

The people who you "refer" to as primitive may have had an understanding that there is One Creator/One Almighty God who reigns over the entire universe.

As for referring to "father figure" that's a mistake done by (some) astray Christians. But do not let the mistakes and anthromorphistic beliefs of people dissuade you from searching for The Truth.

[PETRO2222]

Will ours make it?

Yes, because it's fake.

[Derka]

Lol, you typed a stupid novel to convince me that hobbits might as well be real. K.

[bladefd]

If nature is "chaotic" than why do we on Earth observe the estimated trillions of cells of billions of organisms are arranged in an orderly fashion? Why are the eyes, ears, limbs, and inner systems of every organism organized in a brilliant, wise fashion?
Why are the planets circulating around the sun in an orderly fashion?
Why are electrons/protons/neutrons organized around atoms in an orderly fashion?
Why is it that if there's a small blip in the genetic code of something it could lead to a big aberration?
Why is it that if the Earth was to be a bit closer or a bit farther from the Sun than it would lead to death to the inhabitants of Earth by burning or freezing?
Why is this video: https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-omr-001&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=omr&p=fine+tuning+of+the+universe+youtube#id=2&vid=0b9b383a3bd57053f4990b960191ebaf&action=click

Does this "uncontrollable, untamed, beautiful" nature you mention also control the galaxies, stars, and celestial bodies? Does this "nature" you speak of also control the subatomic molecular levels? Both fields which have plenty of order and structure and patterns in them.

And what makes nature a "she"? Do you have any proof you can produce of this "nature" you speak of? Does "nature" have a beginning or an end?

And you have the disgusting, shameless audacity to mock the legitimate beliefs of men much wiser than you, who were much more in tune with what you describe as nature---having been free and pure of the polytheistic/atheist/materialist beliefs that plague modern humanity.

The people who you "refer" to as primitive may have had an understanding that there is One Creator/One Almighty God who reigns over the entire universe.

As for referring to "father figure" that's a mistake done by (some) astray Christians. But do not let the mistakes and anthromorphistic beliefs of people dissuade you from searching for The Truth.

Let me respond on his behalf

-Our body organs took billions of years to organize in ways that are beneficial to us. The organs in our ancestor species were not always arranged the way they are today in modern species. God is perfect and designed us so why did it take him billions of years to get it the way it is? Did God make mistakes along the way?
-Gravity is why planets circulate around the sun in the way they do. During early days of our solar system, they were not orderly. There is some evidence that Venus or another planet collided with Earth, which sent particles into space and coalesced into the moon. Why would that be? Is that chaos? Did god mess up?
-Electrons are not organized in any orderly fashion as quantum physics has shown us. Electron is not exactly a particle but it's also a wave at the same time. There was a time when people thought electron went around the nucleus in some sort of order, but we have known for many decades it's not true. It's anything but orderly.
-Not understanding your question/point about genetic code.
-Life on Earth came billions of years after our sun/solar system formed so it wasn't like life formed alongside the planets or that life already existed. You are probably also asking why is our planet revolving exactly where it is from the sun, correct? Why is Venus too close to the sun? Why do all other stars have habitable zone, many planets in that zone and why don't they all have intelligent life? Do they have intelligent life? Why would god want all those planets in habitable zone but not allow life? Why would god even create those planets in their approximate habitable zone and no intelligent life? Another big question is can life exist on planets/moon outside of the habitable zone? It's very much possible some of our moons around other planets have life. It would overnight destroy your belief that life on Earth is special or that Earth was specially put here by God for humans.
-Not watching a 30min video

I don't want to speak for derka, but there does exist such a thing as laws of physics. Nature is essentially life on Earth conforming to physics, including gravity, wind, friction, etc. So then you will ask: "who created that order?" Why is it necessary for someone to create order? If everything must be created by someone then who created god? (I bet you will say god always existed, so why can't laws of physics have always existed?)

-He/she is irrelevant. It doesn't have to be a physical being. Nature is all life around you. Beginning of nature is beginning of cyanobacteria, oldest living things, to today and forward. If there is life on other planets (or moons), their beginning of nature would be very different than ours & life would probably be pretty alien to us, but I bet you it probably also went through evolution over time and conforms to the laws of physics we know of even if the gravitational strength, wind power, etc differs a bit on that planet (or moon).

Rest is you being judgmental as usual and deserves no response.

[highwhey]

Let me respond on his behalf

-Our body organs took billions of years to organize in ways that are beneficial to us. The organs in our ancestor species were not always arranged the way they are today in modern species. God is perfect and designed us so why did it take him billions of years to get it the way it is? Did God make mistakes along the way?
-Gravity is why planets circulate around the sun in the way they do. During early days of our solar system, they were not orderly. There is some evidence that Venus or another planet collided with Earth, which sent particles into space and coalesced into the moon. Why would that be? Is that chaos? Did god mess up?
-Electrons are not organized in any orderly fashion as quantum physics has shown us. Electron is not exactly a particle but it's also a wave at the same time. There was a time when people thought electron went around the nucleus in some sort of order, but we have known for many decades it's not true. It's anything but orderly.
-Not understanding your question/point about genetic code.
-Life on Earth came billions of years after our sun/solar system formed so it wasn't like life formed alongside the planets or that life already existed. You are probably also asking why is our planet revolving exactly where it is from the sun, correct? Why is Venus too close to the sun? Why do all other stars have habitable zone, many planets in that zone and why don't they all have intelligent life? Do they have intelligent life? Why would god want all those planets in habitable zone but not allow life? Why would god even create those planets in their approximate habitable zone and no intelligent life? Another big question is can life exist on planets/moon outside of the habitable zone? It's very much possible some of our moons around other planets have life. It would overnight destroy your belief that life on Earth is special or that Earth was specially put here by God for humans.
-Not watching a 30min video

I don't want to speak for derka, but there does exist such a thing as laws of physics. Nature is essentially life on Earth conforming to physics, including gravity, wind, friction, etc. So then you will ask: "who created that order?" Why is it necessary for someone to create order? If everything must be created by someone then who created god? (I bet you will say god always existed, so why can't laws of physics have always existed?)

-He/she is irrelevant. It doesn't have to be a physical being. Nature is all life around you. Beginning of nature is beginning of cyanobacteria, oldest living things, to today and forward. If there is life on other planets (or moons), their beginning of nature would be very different than ours & life would probably be pretty alien to us, but I bet you it probably also went through evolution over time and conforms to the laws of physics we know of even if the gravitational strength, wind power, etc differs a bit on that planet (or moon).

Rest is you being judgmental as usual and deserves no response.

interesting, can you please elaborate further?

[FKAri]

Let me respond on his behalf

-Our body organs took billions of years to organize in ways that are beneficial to us. The organs in our ancestor species were not always arranged the way they are today in modern species. God is perfect and designed us so why did it take him billions of years to get it the way it is? Did God make mistakes along the way?
-Gravity is why planets circulate around the sun in the way they do. During early days of our solar system, they were not orderly. There is some evidence that Venus or another planet collided with Earth, which sent particles into space and coalesced into the moon. Why would that be? Is that chaos? Did god mess up?
-Electrons are not organized in any orderly fashion as quantum physics has shown us. Electron is not exactly a particle but it's also a wave at the same time. There was a time when people thought electron went around the nucleus in some sort of order, but we have known for many decades it's not true. It's anything but orderly.
-Not understanding your question/point about genetic code.
-Life on Earth came billions of years after our sun/solar system formed so it wasn't like life formed alongside the planets or that life already existed. You are probably also asking why is our planet revolving exactly where it is from the sun, correct? Why is Venus too close to the sun? Why do all other stars have habitable zone, many planets in that zone and why don't they all have intelligent life? Do they have intelligent life? Why would god want all those planets in habitable zone but not allow life? Why would god even create those planets in their approximate habitable zone and no intelligent life? Another big question is can life exist on planets/moon outside of the habitable zone? It's very much possible some of our moons around other planets have life. It would overnight destroy your belief that life on Earth is special or that Earth was specially put here by God for humans.
-Not watching a 30min video

I don't want to speak for derka, but there does exist such a thing as laws of physics. Nature is essentially life on Earth conforming to physics, including gravity, wind, friction, etc. So then you will ask: "who created that order?" Why is it necessary for someone to create order? If everything must be created by someone then who created god? (I bet you will say god always existed, so why can't laws of physics have always existed?)

-He/she is irrelevant. It doesn't have to be a physical being. Nature is all life around you. Beginning of nature is beginning of cyanobacteria, oldest living things, to today and forward. If there is life on other planets (or moons), their beginning of nature would be very different than ours & life would probably be pretty alien to us, but I bet you it probably also went through evolution over time and conforms to the laws of physics we know of even if the gravitational strength, wind power, etc differs a bit on that planet (or moon).

Rest is you being judgmental as usual and deserves no response.
These things don't really dispute the concept of God. What you can dispute is the idea that God spoke to people. Also, he's muslim so he doesn't believe in the uniqueness of humans. Heck they already believe in a type of alien, jinn.