Michael Jordan 6 NBA Finals MVP's. No one else close.

[Spurs m8]

So Jordan has 6.

Why can no other player get past half of that amount?

Amazing to think that Jordan did what Duncan, Shaq, Magic and LeBron did, TWICE....

TWICE :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

[ImKobe]

That's why MJ is the undisputed GOAT. Not only 6x FMVP but led the RS & Playoffs in scoring every single time as well.

[Lebron23]

LeBron is going to get his 4th finals MVP this year

[Table]

LeBron is going to get his 4th finals MVP this year

Kawhi 1st to win Finals MVP in both conferences (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26969557/kawhi-1st-win-finals-mvp-conferences)

[AlternativeAcc.]

LeBron has 7

2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018

Soon to be 8

[FromDowntown]

LeBron has the most in the modern era (zone defense became legal in 2004).

Anything else? :lol

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[FromDowntown]

That's why MJ is the undisputed GOAT. Not only 6x FMVP but led the RS & Playoffs in scoring every single time as well.

Regular season assassin. Sounds like James Harden.

Who led scoring in playoffs tho? Do I need to find that pic :lol

[Airupthere]

Impressive record by Jordan. But.. he still does not hold the most number of horrendous flops by an all time top 10 player

[Spurs m8]

That's why MJ is the undisputed GOAT. Not only 6x FMVP but led the RS & Playoffs in scoring every single time as well.

Is this stat real?

I CAN'T BELIEVE MY EYES

[Shogon]

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[SouBeachTalents]

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No trolling though, Russell would've probably had the record had they awarded FMVP in his era

[Shogon]

No trolling though, Russell would've probably had the record had they awarded FMVP in his era


"Probably"

:yaohappy:

[goozeman]

LeBron has the most in the modern era (zone defense became legal in 2004).

Anything else? :lol

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No hand checking, defensive three second (not true zone), gather step, freedom of movement changes. Zone defense doesn't mean anything unless you can actually D somebody up, which players can't today. Jordan played in a by far tougher era defensively. Lebron's has literally played his whole career in an era without physical play.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWz-EemQKbI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZzcmcQ7tGs

[Spurs m8]

Imagine Jordan played in this weak defensive era....he would have feasted on the wide open lanes and soft players.

On top of that, he would have been deadly from 3...legit would have averaged 40ppg

[Axe]

If 90s were a weak, soft era, then pip would have easily won a chip of his very own.

[Marchesk]

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[warriorfan]

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Paging @theaussieguy

:lol

[FromDowntown]

Yikes no ond told this guy about the moden legal defense era.

Double teaming was illegal until zone became legal.

Google it :lol Sorrry my guy.

Modern (legal zone) era FMVP leaders

LBJ = 3
KD = 2
Kawhi = 2
Kobe = 2

*everyone else has 1 or 0

MJ =0 (all shit 90s rings)

Keep up

[Axe]

Yikes no ond told this guy about the moden legal defense era.

Double teaming was illegal until zone became legal.

Google it :lol Sorrry my guy.

Modern (legal zone) era FMVP leaders

LBJ = 3
KD = 2
Kawhi = 2
Kobe = 2

*everyone else has 1 or 0

MJ =0 (all shit 90s rings)

Keep up
Cringe

[AirBonner]

Bill Russell has 11 chips and the FMVP award is named after him.

[Poetry]

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[Gudo]

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Slow first step. Waited too long.

[Shooter]

LeBron has the most in the modern era (zone defense became legal in 2004).

Anything else? :lol

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Lol @ 90s chips

[Marchesk]

Can someone tell me how a career 30.5% three point shooter with a 36.5 max vertical won an MVP and averaged tripple double three years in a row in the modern era of super evolved athletes and great shooting?

https://thunderousintentions.com/wp-content/uploads/usat-images/2016/04/10132294-nba-awards-show-1.jpeg

[AlternativeAcc.]

Can someone tell me how a career 30.5% three point shooter with a 36.5 max vertical won an MVP and averaged tripple double three years in a row in the modern era of super evolved athletes and great shooting?

https://thunderousintentions.com/wp-content/uploads/usat-images/2016/04/10132294-nba-awards-show-1.jpeg
He had 1 outlier season where he put up insane numbers and performed well in the clutch. He had the media narrative on his side after Durant left.

He averaged triple double because he's a great athlete with a ridiculous motor.

Speaks to how great the athletes are today if youre downplaying his athleticism.

[TheCorporation]

Can someone tell me how a career 30.5% three point shooter with a 36.5 max vertical won an MVP and averaged tripple double three years in a row in the modern era of super evolved athletes and great shooting?

https://thunderousintentions.com/wp-content/uploads/usat-images/2016/04/10132294-nba-awards-show-1.jpeg

And can you tell me how mechanics and grocery baggers made all star games in the 90s?

[goozeman]

He had 1 outlier season where he put up insane numbers and performed well in the clutch. He had the media narrative on his side after Durant left.

He averaged triple double because he's a great athlete with a ridiculous motor.

Speaks to how great the athletes are today if youre downplaying his athleticism.

One outlier season? Prior to Westbrook breaking O.R.'s record (a single-season record that many thought to be untouchable, btw), Wilt Chamberlain was the only player in the last 50 years to have 30-plus triple-doubles in a season, and Westbrook had two such seasons in three years. Only 4 players in NBA history have even had 20 or more tripe-doubles in NBA history, and Westbrook has three of those back-to-back-to-back. It's the current rooooooooooooooooles. :hammerhead:

[AirBonner]

Wait. Did Westbrook average a triple double? He didn’t have a triple double in every game

[goozeman]

Wait. Did Westbrook average a triple double? He didn’t have a triple double in every game

He did it three seasons in a row (16-17 to 18-19). Also, if you watched the games, Westbrook was just stat padding certain numbers at spot moments in the game, and then he would just go back to playing regular ball. The numbers don't even tell the whole story. He could have put up even BIGGER numbers if OKC had let him. I'm talking 15-plus rebounds a night type crap.

[AirBonner]

He did it three seasons in a row (15-16 to 17-18). :oldlol:

But he didn’t average it

[imdaman99]

Can someone tell me how a career 30.5% three point shooter with a 36.5 max vertical won an MVP and averaged tripple double three years in a row in the modern era of super evolved athletes and great shooting?


I'm gonna need you to stop using Westbrook to make your point. CEASE AND DESIST ACTIVATED

https://media.tenor.com/images/d79e9e6c6e6b963d9c14ce07e3a5d81e/tenor.gif

[goozeman]

But he didn’t average it

But he did.

[Stephonit]

Watching Kawhi shove his way through all his defenders reminded me why I wasn't so hot on Jordan. Offensive fouls all over the place not being called. One could come to forgive it though after Shaq. One reason I like Curry so much: doesn't rely on referee judgment or subjective opinion. Pure skill at work.

[Vragrant]

If 90s were a weak, soft era, then pip would have easily won a chip of his very own.


One thing I don't understand about that criticism, is that the Dream Team is from that era. Does anybody think today's NBA best would beat them? Cause I don't.

[TheCorporation]

One thing I don't understand about that criticism, is that the Dream Team is from that era. Does anybody think today's NBA best would beat them? Cause I don't.

CP3
Kawhi
LBJ
KD
AD

Rapes any 90s combo :lol

Next

[3ball]

CP3
Kawhi
LBJ
KD
AD

Rapes any 90s combo :lol

Next

MJ
Hakeem
Shaq
Penny/Payton/Hill > cp3

And Drexler is similar to Kawhi, except a better athlete

[pauk]

Bill Russell has 11, well at least 10.... there is a reason the trophy was created due, named after and handed out by him...

[AlternativeAcc.]

One outlier season? Prior to Westbrook breaking O.R.'s record (a single-season record that many thought to be untouchable, btw), Wilt Chamberlain was the only player in the last 50 years to have 30-plus triple-doubles in a season, and Westbrook had two such seasons in three years. Only 4 players in NBA history have even had 20 or more tripe-doubles in NBA history, and Westbrook has three of those back-to-back-to-back. It's the current rooooooooooooooooles. :hammerhead:

I was referring to his MVP season

So the rules make is so that you average a triple double? Why is he the only one doing it?

Maybe he's a unique athlete with a unique motor.

Or let's go with your half-baked trolling answer.. you seem credible :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Regular season assassin. Sounds like James Harden.

Who led scoring in playoffs tho? Do I need to find that pic :lol

MJ led the RS & Playoffs in scoring in 6 title runs, he led both RS & Playoffs in ppg 10x in his career, Lebron has 1 scoring title in the RS and led the Playoffs in ppg 2x. Longevity records mean very little compared to actual scoring ability.

[AlternativeAcc.]

One thing I don't understand about that criticism, is that the Dream Team is from that era. Does anybody think today's NBA best would beat them? Cause I don't.

Dream team had 80s stars bolstering the roster

Pippen
jordan
Barkley
Ewing
Trash bros(Stockton, malone)

That's the 90s group... decent group of B-list legends

No top 10 players... crazy what happens when you can't use bird and magic (80s stars) to sweeten the plate

[FromDowntown]

MJ led the RS & Playoffs in scoring in 6 title runs, he led both RS & Playoffs in ppg 10x in his career, Lebron has 1 scoring title in the RS and led the Playoffs in ppg 2x. Longevity records mean very little compared to actual scoring ability.

MJ scored 1,000 LESS points in the playoffs than LeGoat. And that's just a pure fact. He scored less than LeBron for 2 obvious reasons:

Good scorer at #2 overall, but

1. He just didnt win enough playoff series
2. He did not make enough Finals

Hard to be a leading scorer when you get swept out of the playoffs 3 years in a row, and THEN lose to Detroit 3 years in a row, THEN miss the playoffs 2 years. These failures do have their consequences.

[FromDowntown]

Bill Russell has 11, well at least 10.... there is a reason the trophy was created due, named after and handed out by him...

Bingo

# of players with

6 rings = 13
11 rings = 1
7,000 points = 1

NEXT

[SouBeachTalents]

MJ
Hakeem
Shaq
Penny/Payton/Hill > cp3

And Drexler is similar to Kawhi, except a better athlete
:oldlol:

What makes 3ball most pathetic is if CP3 or Kawhi were LeBron's teammates he'd be hyping the shit out of them, like when he claimed AD > Robinson & called Ingraham a top 10 pure scorer of all time

[tpols]

From what I've seen, Kawhi is a better version of MJ. Same midrange and posting ability, both elite finishers, both great defenders, both clutch... but Kawhi is bigger, longer, stronger and more efficient due to his ability to hit from long range at a much better clip. Leonard is playing at a level akin to 1st 3peat MJ and easily better than 2nd 3peat MJ.

[SouBeachTalents]

From what I've seen, Kawhi is a better version of MJ. Same midrange and posting ability, both elite finishers, both great defenders, both clutch... but Kawhi is bigger, longer, stronger and more efficient due to his ability to hit from long range at a much better clip. Leonard is playing at a level akin to 1st 3peat MJ and easily better than 2nd 3peat MJ.
Kawhi is not the scorer or playmaker that 1st 3peat Jordan was. Kawhi is simply incapable of averaging 30/10 or 40 ppg in a Finals series

[ImKobe]

MJ scored 1,000 LESS points in the playoffs than LeGoat. And that's just a pure fact. He scored less than LeBron for 2 obvious reasons:

Good scorer at #2 overall, but

1. He just didnt win enough playoff series
2. He did not make enough Finals

Hard to be a leading scorer when you get swept out of the playoffs 3 years in a row, and THEN lose to Detroit 3 years in a row, THEN miss the playoffs 2 years. These failures do have their consequences.

So, the first round was BO5 not BO7 & Jordan played in a tougher Conference than the 2000s East that helped Lebron have all those deep runs, just to stat-pad in blowout losses in the Finals.


Lebron right now has played 65 more games than Jordan to score the extra 1,061 points, MJ would have only had to average 16.3 ppg in the extra 65 games to reach that mark. It doesn't make Lebron a better scorer. Jordan lost less games in the Playoffs in his prime years and the first rounds were shorter.

10 scoring titles to 1, you're a joke for even arguing this point.

[tpols]

Kawhi is not the scorer or playmaker that 1st 3peat Jordan was. Kawhi is simply incapable of averaging 30/10 or 40 ppg in a Finals series

I'm watching the games, and yea Kawhi's passing isn't as flashy but he always makes the right read and simple dish. It's like comparing chris webber's passing to tim duncan's... yea Webber's looks cooler but Duncan's gets the same job done. As far as scoring goes, MJ never had runs with 130+ ORTG like Leonard... and that was on 30 ppg volume. It can't be understated how dominant this guy is right now. He's producing at a never before seen level, while also being a GOAT perimeter defender. And super clutch just like MJ. He's playing at his level right now, although I will agree his resume falls very short because he hasn't done it for nearly as long.

[Carbine]

A never before seen level...............

[SouBeachTalents]

I'm watching the games, and yea Kawhi's passing isn't as flashy but he always makes the right read and simple dish. It's like comparing chris webber's passing to tim duncan's... yea Webber's looks cooler but Duncan's gets the same job done. As far as scoring goes, MJ never had runs with 130+ ORTG like Leonard... and that was on 30 ppg volume. It can't be understated how dominant this guy is right now. He's producing at a never before seen level, while also being a GOAT perimeter defender. And super clutch just like MJ. He's playing at his level right now, although I will agree his resume falls very short because he hasn't done it for nearly as long.
So in your opinion is Kawhi, just based on ability, not resume, the 2nd best perimeter player of all time?

[tpols]

yea i wpould say so based on pure ability. he's a basketball machine, but the lack of regular season accolades and numbers will have a lot of people bump him down GOAT lists. For me, I care about playoffs much more than regular season though.

[Carbine]

MJ dropped 45 a game against Cleveland and then averaged like 40/9 assists against them the next year with the dagger of all daggers to send them packing.

He averaged 43 a game with 4 steals against Philly.

Averaging 41 a game in the finals.....

That's not even mentioning all the other all time greats....

Kawhi is my favorite player in the league but come on.

Kawhi has played two cream puff defenses to start this playoffs as well. You are preaching context, why don't you use it in this case? Also doing it in the bubble where individual scoring is at an all-time high......

[rmt]

yea i wpould say so based on pure ability. he's a basketball machine, but the lack of regular season accolades and numbers will have a lot of people bump him down GOAT lists. For me, I care about playoffs much more than regular season though.

Yep.

Leonard has had the luxury of developing without pressure because of spending the beginning of his career with the Spurs - he's learned all the mental things like how to win, keep playing no matter what, etc that others take seasons to learn. He's also not had to carry his team for 82 games a year - year after year - playing 39-40 minutes the way franchise players used to - this I think will result in him lasting a LONG, LONG time. He won't have the regular season stats, etc because he isn't playing the minutes for it and saving his body for what really counts - the playoffs/Finals.

He's already got 2 DPOYs and 2 FMVPs and no stains on the big stage (what people remember most) but lack of MVPs will be big stain (no matter how many rings he wins) when compared to other top 10ers. I don't expect him to compare well vs MJ - the personality is like night and day (MJ was beloved world wide).

[Gohan]

The thing about mj, he was first so he had to set the bar and they still can’t beat him. Even with more seasons and way more games

[Roundball_Rock]

:oldlol:

What makes 3ball most pathetic is if CP3 or Kawhi were LeBron's teammates he'd be hyping the shit out of them, like when he claimed AD > Robinson & called Ingraham a top 10 pure scorer of all time

:lol Yup. It applies the other direction too: if any of these other 90's stars 1-9 ball and his ilk hype were MJ's teammates we would get a never ending crusade about how bad that guy was while hearing how tough it was for MJ to win rangz against the great Pippen's Cavs or Pistons teams.

[SouBeachTalents]

:lol Yup. It applies the other direction too: if any of these other 90's stars 1-9 ball and his ilk hype were MJ's teammates we would get a never ending crusade about how bad that guy was while hearing how tough it was for MJ to win rangz against the great Pippen's Cavs or Pistons teams.
If Pippen was on those Pistons teams or his primary defender in the Finals we'd see threads going from him being an Iggy level player to > Curry

[Roundball_Rock]

If Pippen was on those Pistons teams or his primary defender in the Finals we'd see threads going from him being an Iggy level to > Curry

Exactly. :lol

[FromDowntown]

So, the first round was BO5 not BO7 & Jordan played in a tougher Conference than the 2000s East that helped Lebron have all those deep runs, just to stat-pad in blowout losses in the Finals.


Lebron right now has played 65 more games than Jordan to score the extra 1,061 points, MJ would have only had to average 16.3 ppg in the extra 65 games to reach that mark. It doesn't make Lebron a better scorer. Jordan lost less games in the Playoffs in his prime years and the first rounds were shorter.

10 scoring titles to 1, you're a joke for even arguing this point.

MJ just needed to make more Finals