Advanced format vs. Beginner format

[3ball]

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^^^ Advanced format yet Jordan had goat PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP seasons, PPG, usage/ortg


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-04-2020/SdmqXl.gif

^^^ beginner format yet lebron had inferior production rate (BPM, PER, etc)... beginner format = spacing, defensive 3/open paint, contact-free defense)

[highwhey]

jordans competition was plumbers and car salesmen.

lebron's competition has been the worlds top athletes and once in a decade athlete freaks.

[TheCorporation]

All I know is...

No Pip

[TheCorporation]

jordans competition was plumbers and car salesmen.

lebron's competition has been the worlds top athletes and once in a decade athlete freaks.

Bingo

/thread

Imagine LeBron facing the Raptors in the Finals every year. That's 90s ball :lol

[highwhey]

all i know is...

no pip

no chip

[3ball]

Bingo

/thread

Imagine LeBron facing the Raptors in the Finals every year. That's 90s ball :lol

MJ won 6 rings in today's 2-star format and most of the duos he beat were better than Kawhi/PG (Lebron's best comp)

Shaq/Penny and Magic/Worthy > Kawhi/PG..... So is Malone/Stockton and Payton/Kemp/Schrempf

[Shooter]

All I know is...

No Pip

No chip

[Shooter]

MJ won 6 rings in today's 2-star format and most of the duos he beat were better than Kawhi/PG (Lebron's best comp)

Shaq/Penny and Magic/Worthy > Kawhi/PG..... So is Malone/Stockton and Payton/Kemp/Schrempf

And what is, in your humble estimation, his best ring win?

[3ball]

No chip

It was proven that mj didn't need Pippen:

89' MJ nearly beat the Pistons even though Pippen averaged 10 on 40% (14/6/3 in regular season) - he obviously would've won if Pippen was replaced by a better 2nd option, which proves that MJ didn't need Pippen to win in 89', or Phil (Phil wasn't there in 89').. So MJ didn't need Pippen or Phil - case closed - the 89' carry-job proves it

[3ball]

And what is, in your humble estimation, his best ring win?

This year is lebron"s toughest path because of the 2-star format (parity)

Many teams are Finals-caliber because many teams can meet the 2-star requirement.. otoh, lebron had easier paths when 3 perennial all-star were needed, so only 2 teams were Finals-caliber (heat/spurs or cavs/warriors)

Obviously, it's easier to win when you're on one of the two Finals-caliber teams than one of MANY Finals-caliber teams

TLDR - this year's 2-star format (90's style) is lebron's toughest path, so all 6 of MJ"s rings > lebron's

[scuzzy]

Holy shit that first gif is embarrassing


Not a single defensive coverage on the perimeter and why would there be, nobody could shoot 20+ footers back then


Bunch of unskilled traffic cones sleeping in paint for that fisher price bucket


No wonder Stern moved the 3pt line to WNBA level

[3ball]

Holy shit that first gif is embarrassing


Not a single defensive coverage on the perimeter and why would there be, nobody could shoot 20+ footers back then

Superior defense of 2-point range = superior shot-makers ON defenders

Otoh, today's spacing yields open looks, so players are worse at contested shots, including mid-range... Guys like Zion, Giannis and Lebron can barely pull-up off a hard-dribble

[LAmbruh]

Holy shit that first gif is embarrassing


Not a single defensive coverage on the perimeter and why would there be, nobody could shoot 20+ footers back then


Bunch of unskilled traffic cones sleeping in paint for that fisher price bucket


No wonder Stern moved the 3pt line to WNBA level

:applause:


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Notice the paint camper shading LeBron in the post? This is illegal defense in the 80's and 90's. You couldn't double team like that. You had to go at the man, not zoning off and covering space.

Notice how much floor spacing there was in the 90's? That was due to Illegal defense (rule-enforced spacing!). The defenders HAD to clear out and guard their man. EVEN if he had no shooting ability. The rules FORCED them to space the floor.

To get that level of spacing today you need 3PT SHOOTERS (shooting encouraged spacing)

[3ball]

:applause:


https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohhwNy8ECpVEVdbos/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7aDfxVAFNwZKCnp6/giphy.gif

Notice the paint camper shading LeBron in the post? This is illegal defense in the 80's and 90's. You couldn't double team like that. You had to go at the man, not zoning off and covering space.

Notice how much floor spacing there was in the 90's? That was due to Illegal defense (rule-enforced spacing!). The defenders HAD to clear out and guard their man. EVEN if he had no shooting ability. The rules FORCED them to space the floor.

To get that level of spacing today you need 3PT SHOOTERS (shooting encouraged spacing)

Your gifs aren't from this era

Pre-2016 played a lot like the 90's...

Only the last 3-4 years of record ppg and ortg are relevant

So get those Heat gifs out of here - they're similar to the 90's and not "this era"

[TheCorporation]

:applause:


https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohhwNy8ECpVEVdbos/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7aDfxVAFNwZKCnp6/giphy.gif

Notice the paint camper shading LeBron in the post? This is illegal defense in the 80's and 90's. You couldn't double team like that. You had to go at the man, not zoning off and covering space.

Notice how much floor spacing there was in the 90's? That was due to Illegal defense (rule-enforced spacing!). The defenders HAD to clear out and guard their man. EVEN if he had no shooting ability. The rules FORCED them to space the floor.

To get that level of spacing today you need 3PT SHOOTERS (shooting encouraged spacing)

Wow

[/thread]

[TheCorporation]

Holy shit that first gif is embarrassing


Not a single defensive coverage on the perimeter and why would there be, nobody could shoot 20+ footers back then


Bunch of unskilled traffic cones sleeping in paint for that fisher price bucket


No wonder Stern moved the 3pt line to WNBA level

Nailed it

[scuzzy]

:applause:


https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohhwNy8ECpVEVdbos/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7aDfxVAFNwZKCnp6/giphy.gif

Notice the paint camper shading LeBron in the post? This is illegal defense in the 80's and 90's. You couldn't double team like that. You had to go at the man, not zoning off and covering space.

Notice how much floor spacing there was in the 90's? That was due to Illegal defense (rule-enforced spacing!). The defenders HAD to clear out and guard their man. EVEN if he had no shooting ability. The rules FORCED them to space the floor.

To get that level of spacing today you need 3PT SHOOTERS (shooting encouraged spacing)
There's a reason why 90's HOF coaches like Jerry Sloan, Phil Jackson, Jeff Van Gundy and George Karl got ran out the league

Their archaic schematics were picked apart by hyper complex offense and defensive minds of today's coaches and the high level of talent of modern players is too overwhelming.

Even advanced Popovich has been struggling to adapt, blaming 3pt shooting, spacing, politics, etc.

[TheCorporation]

There's a reason why 90's HOF coaches like Jerry Sloan, Phil Jackson, Jeff Van Gundy and George Karl got ran out the league

Their archaic schematics were picked apart by hyper complex offense and defensive minds of today's coaches

Even advanced Popovich has been struggling to adapt, blaming 3pt shooting, spacing, politics, etc.

:applause:

We win again

:dancin

[3ball]

Wow

[/thread]


1-defender strongsides


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Otoh, previous eras faced 5-defender strongsides because there were no shooters on far corner (weakside spacing) to.pull defenders to weak side


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[LAmbruh]

Wow

[/thread]

way 2ez

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[LAmbruh]

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[GimmeThat]

Otoh, previous eras faced 5-defender strongsides because there were no shooters on far corner (weakside spacing) to.pull defenders to weak side


https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-23-2015/CKpLH1.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/xT0BKishrkuHZV0IDK/giphy.gif

that's a lot of players on the defensive end flopping all at once in one single play

[dbugz]

All I know is...

No Pip

No James Jones no Chip :roll:

The basketball IQ of libron fans :oldlol:

[FromDowntown]

way 2ez

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[FromDowntown]

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And

Just

Like

THAT

[sdot_thadon]

It was proven that mj didn't need Pippen: 89' MJ nearly beat the Pistons
If by almost beat you mean took only 8 shots in a pivotal game? Sure he did.:facepalm



Working More Magic, Jordan Disappears as Bulls Lose to Pistons


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-06-01-sp-1414-story.html%3f_amp=true

[AirBonner]

Op bragging about a few traffic cones in the paint lol

[Wally450]

It was proven that mj didn't need Pippen:

89' MJ nearly beat the Pistons even though Pippen averaged 10 on 40% (14/6/3 in regular season) - he obviously would've won if Pippen was replaced by a better 2nd option, which proves that MJ didn't need Pippen to win in 89', or Phil (Phil wasn't there in 89').. So MJ didn't need Pippen or Phil - case closed - the 89' carry-job proves it


When? lol

[AirBonner]

When? lol

I like the way 2ball explains why MJ didn’t need Pippen by showing us his lack of success without Pippen lol

[Roundball_Rock]

jordans competition was plumbers and car salesmen.

Ironically, MJ stans themselves implicitly argue this. We routinely hear the MJ stan army tell us the 90's were so weak a really, really, really bad player could be a MVP candidate and first team all-NBA (over MJ's "top comp" Malone and Barkley in multiple seasons). The logical conclusion of their argument is MJ played in a weak era in terms of talent.


I like the way 2ball explains why MJ didn’t need Pippen by showing us his lack of success without Pippen lol

:roll: