Jimmy Butler - 28/5/5 on 71% TS.... Pippen can't do that - would be losing vs Bucks

[3ball]

Pippen isn't even on Butler or PG's level.. he's a Shawn Marion or Michael Finley level player that was inflated by the winning spotlight

Pippen and Gasol are the only 2nd option with 2+ rings that doesn't have a FMVP or average 25-30 ppg.. that means no 1st option won 2+ rings without their sidekick getting at least 1 FMVP or averaging 25-30 ppg, so how could they with Pippen, let alone 6 rings?.

[Doranku]

If only the Bucks had a DPOY forward to guard Jimmy

[KD7]

I thought it was easier to score in this era.

According to your logic Pippen would be a 30/10/10 guy in today's spaced out league

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

I thought it was easier to score in this era.

According to your logic Pippen would be a 30/10/10 guy in today's spaced out league

Giannis can only score in transition like Pippy

Neither have halfcourt games like Jimmeh

[ImKobe]

Butler vs. Pippen is an interesting debate tbh. I like Jimmy's approach more, he has some Jordan in him when it comes to leading a team.

[3ball]

If only the Bucks had a DPOY forward to guard Jimmy

Pippen didn't require a good defender.. Schrempf held Pip to 15 on 34% in the 96' Finals.. Chris Mullin basically did the same in the 98' ECF... Dominique averaged 30 and held Pip to 15 on 40% in the 93' 1st Rd

[Roundball_Rock]

I thought it was easier to score in this era.


That is what they are saying in the Miller thread. There they are saying Miller would basically be peak KD or peak Curry today (he was 21 PPG when he actually played in his prime, for context). They are shameless in their hypocrisy and agenda driven flip flopping on a dime.

[Vino24]

Jimmy never went 1-9

[KD7]

That is what they are saying in the Miller thread. There they are saying Miller would basically be peak KD or peak Curry today (he was 21 PPG when he actually played in his prime, for context).

Lmao

[Roundball_Rock]

Jimmy never went 1-9

Butler has shown he can win series and at least make the ECF (a lock now) without Rose. If Butler could do it, why couldn't MJ without his best teammate? :confusedshrug: Maybe Butler is the real GOAT? :oldlol:

[tpols]

That is what they are saying in the Miller thread. There they are saying Miller would basically be peak KD or peak Curry today (he was 21 PPG when he actually played in his prime, for context). They are shameless in their hypocrisy and agenda driven flip flopping on a dime.

Jimmy Butler for his career in the playoffs shoots 49% in the 10-16 ft range, and in the playoffs this year is shooting 50% from 3. Pippen can't do that. In the 2nd 3peat he shot only 36% in that range, and is a 29% 3pt shooter. Yea he'd get some nice looks around the basket but you cant average 28 ppg on just layups and dunks in playoff basketball. Giannis is being exposed for this right now. His shooting will always put a lower cap on what he is capable of scoring. Reggie OTOH doesn't have this problem as he can score all over the court, just like butler except shooting even better from everywhere.

[Roundball_Rock]

1-9ball, do you send a text to your betas to rush to any thread you post? Their slavishness makes your threads amusing. Within minutes they are there to serve you. :lol

[LoneyROY7]

It would be a huge boost for Jimmy's career if he led this Heat to the Finals.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

It would be a huge boost for Jimmy's career if he led this Heat to the Finals.

Hes clearly gwan too. Lawston or the Craptors offense aint doing shit to Miami

[Roundball_Rock]

It would be a huge boost for Jimmy's career if he led this Heat to the Finals.

Yup, with no HOF teammates either.

[StrongLurk]

Nothing in the bubble counts lol...the offensive stats are ridiculous and inflated.

I mean, we've seen multiple guys have better series arguable than a guy like Kobe ever did just by stats.

Donovan Mitchell just put up 2 50 point games and had 36/5/5 on 70% TS (only played 37.7 mpg too). When did Kobe/Bird/Magic ever have a series like that?

[LoneyROY7]

Nothing in the bubble counts lol...the offensive stats are ridiculous and inflated.

They're really not...the first round had an absurd duel where Mitchell and Murray were hitting everything. It was a one series aberration. And now you're seeing Murray's numbers start to fall way back.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Nothing in the bubble counts lol...the offensive stats are ridiculous and inflated.

I mean, we've seen multiple guys have better series arguable than a guy like Kobe ever did just by stats.

Donovan Mitchell just put up 2 50 point games and had 36/5/5 on 70% TS (only played 37.7 mpg too). When did Kobe/Bird/Magic ever have a series like that?

Jimmy averaged 25/6/4/3/1 on 60 TS against Giannis their first playoff series years ago

Maybe he just owns lil boi?

[Roundball_Rock]

Butler is shooting 64% TS in the bubble--his playoff career high before that was 56%.

eFG% is up 3.7% compared to the 19' playoffs. The inflation is obvious, partly due to the bubble, partly due to league wide trends of inflation in recent years. According to many Pippen haters themselves just hours ago, a guy who scored 21 PPG in the 90's would be scoring 30 PPG today (i.e., a Pippen level scorer would be KD or Curry today). Now we are back to comparing 2020 numbers straight up with 90's numbers. #Shameless :lol

Let's give credit to Butler for what he is doing, even as we acknowledge the raw stats are inflated. We know MJ never sniffed this level of team success without having a HOF teammate or two. Buckets has a legit shot at going to the finals with Bam as his "sidekick." That beats 1-9.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Butler is shooting 64% TS in the bubble--his playoff career high before that was 56%.

eFG% is up 3.7% compared to the 19' playoffs. The inflation is obvious, partly due to the bubble, partly due to league wide trends of inflation in recent years. According to many Pippen haters themselves just hours ago, a guy who scored 21 PPG in the 90's would be scoring 30 PPG today (i.e., a Pippen level scorer would be KD or Curry today). Now we are back to comparing 2020 numbers straight up with 90's numbers. #Shameless :lol

Werent you just hyping up Bran having 70 TS against the Blazers babyboi

[knicksman]

Giannis was called a pippen. If you want to see a jordan vs pippen battle, then just look at this series. Jimmy is a jordan and despite him not being an MVP or DPOY, hes still better at leading a team than giannis. So I think this series is the best proof that jordan type of players just wins in this league.

[Roundball_Rock]

If you want to see a jordan vs pippen battle.

We did see that. Guess whose team won? :lol

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Jimmy/Pippen/George all in that same tier.

Jimmy/George are better at being #1 but Pippen is a better #2 because his defense and was raised naturally into that role.

#2 option doesn't require as much scoring, mental mind set of knowing how to be the sidekick - Pippen is 1st of 3rd

#1 option that required more scoring and offense - Pippen is 3rd of 3rd

He's still that swish army knife that I rather have as a #2 because he was raised into that role naturally. Butler still thinks he's a #1 guy, George is finally figuring out he's better as a #2 guy like Pippen. George's entire career thought he was #1

[Roundball_Rock]

We get a daily Pippen sucks thread from the same poster. Can you imagine the reaction of this was done with any other player? For example, a daily Stockton sucks thread? I posted 2 critical threads of Stockton (2 since 2009) and people were screaming bloody murder. Why the double standard?

Jimmy Butler - 28/5/5 on 71% TS. MJ never faced a player who put that up...yet in this era Butler is a tail end of the top 10 guy. How weak were the 90's?


Jimmy/Pippen/George all in that same tier.

Compare Pippen's resume to Butler's or George's. Same question: if they are equal, how weak were the 90's? Butler is 2x all-NBA third team, etc., never a MVP candidate in this era.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Butler is shooting 64% TS in the bubble--his playoff career high before that was 56%.

eFG% is up 3.7% compared to the 19' playoffs. The inflation is obvious, partly due to the bubble, partly due to league wide trends of inflation in recent years. According to many Pippen haters themselves just hours ago, a guy who scored 21 PPG in the 90's would be scoring 30 PPG today (i.e., a Pippen level scorer would be KD or Curry today). Now we are back to comparing 2020 numbers straight up with 90's numbers. #Shameless :lol

Let's give credit to Butler for what he is doing, even as we acknowledge the raw stats are inflated. We know MJ never sniffed this level of team success without having a HOF teammate or two. Buckets has a legit shot at going to the finals with Bam as his "sidekick." That beats 1-9.

Giannis is at 50% TS in 2nd round though Hahahha tell him its inflated. I think playoff numbers are just up because all players were well rested.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

We get a daily Pippen sucks thread from the same poster. Can you imagine the reaction of this was done with any other player? For example, a daily Stockton sucks thread? I posted 2 critical threads of Stockton (2 since 2009) and people were screaming bloody murder. Why the double standard?

Jimmy Butler - 28/5/5 on 71% TS. MJ never faced a player who put that up...yet in this era Butler is a tail end of the top 10 guy. How weak were the 90's?



Compare Pippen's resume to Butler's or George's. Same question: if they are equal, how weak were the 90's? Butler is 2x all-NBA third team, etc., never a MVP candidate in this era.

At the end of the day, George or butler are not the ideal #1 option. So I look at most impact at #2 and that's clearly Pippen.

[Roundball_Rock]

According to MJ stans themselves, everyone (except Pippen) would be scoring 5, 7, 10, or even 15 more than they did in the 90's. Magically Pippen gets no inflation, doe? :lol


At the end of the day, George or butler are not the ideal #1 option. So I look at most impact at #2 and that's clearly Pippen.

To win a chip but you can make at least an ECF with any of the three as a #1 option. Bulls were essentially a foul call away from the finals in 94'. Heat have a legit shot at making the finals with only 1 HOF player--something MJ could never do.

To win a chip you basically have a handful of players. LeBron, Kawhi, Curry, Durant, Harden (in theory), Giannis (in theory).

[tpols]

Isn't it funny how EVERYBODY disagrees with rockhead?

This guy has Michael Jordan schizophrenia.

:lol

Rockhead thinks Pippen is better than Charles Barkley, Dwayne Wade, Kawhi Leonard, etc. because ESPN told him so.

You literally cant make this shit up.

[Roundball_Rock]

MJ stans acting like anyone MJ played against ever went 28/5/5 on 71% TS. :lol Your own lousy argument backfires against your agenda.

[3ball]

MJ stans acting like anyone MJ played against ever went 28/5/5 on 71% TS. :lol

MJ was a good jumpshooter, so his stats would translate to this era and increase

Guys that can't shoot or iso (aka a "pippen"), would suffer in this era.. sure Giannis averages about 28 but he's on a different level talent-wise than Pippen.. and pippen had the triangle and MJ, which he was nothing without - a top 30 player shouldn't be a crappy 3rd option on the 99' rockets

[SATAN]

1-9ball

:oldlol:

[FromDowntown]

I thought it was easier to score in this era.

According to your logic Pippen would be a 30/10/10 guy in today's spaced out league

/thread

[97 bulls]

These Pippen haters have no real credibility. They dismiss their own logic whenever his name comes up.

[97 bulls]

These stats are manufactured through rule changes implemented a few years ago.

[97 bulls]

Jimmy Butler for his career in the playoffs shoots 49% in the 10-16 ft range, and in the playoffs this year is shooting 50% from 3. Pippen can't do that. In the 2nd 3peat he shot only 36% in that range, and is a 29% 3pt shooter. Yea he'd get some nice looks around the basket but you cant average 28 ppg on just layups and dunks in playoff basketball. Giannis is being exposed for this right now. His shooting will always put a lower cap on what he is capable of scoring. Reggie OTOH doesn't have this problem as he can score all over the court, just like butler except shooting even better from everywhere.
Oh save it. Even Miller would say he was nothing more than a great Jumshooter.

[Roundball_Rock]

These Pippen haters have no real credibility. They dismiss their own logic whenever his name comes up.

Exactly. They will go on and on about something, in this case how it is much, much easier to score today than in the 90's but suddenly their own logic disappears in the case of Pippen. They will say every other 20+ PPG scorer would be scoring in the high 20's or even 30 today but Pippen somehow would score even less.

All this because of insecurity over MJ, who 80% of people have as GOAT.


Oh save it. Even Miller would say he was nothing more than a great Jumshooter.

Pippen could score in the post, off the dribble, in transition, mid-range, three pointer. He had it all. They present a fictional version of Pippen, again because of their insecurity over MJ.

Here is Pippen compared to the league from every spot in the floor for 97' (not peak Pippen but the closest we have data for):

https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2020/0422/pippen96.jpg

These idiots act like all he did was dunk. The chart speaks for itself.

The Reggie comparison is laughable. Reggie couldn't get open to shoot on higher volume (that is why they turned to Smits with Reggie going AWOL in Game 7). Pippen could create his own shots and create shots for teammates as well. Reggie usually was screened open for an open jump shot. Pippen was taking contested shots all over the court. Different players--it is a dumb comparison.

[97 bulls]

Exactly. They will go on and on about something, in this case how it is much, much easier to score today than in the 90's but suddenly their own logic disappears in the case of Pippen. They will say every other 20+ PPG scorer would be scoring in the high 20's or even 30 today but Pippen somehow would score even less.

All this because of insecurity over MJ, who 80% of people have as GOAT.



He has never seen Pippen play. Pippen could score in the post, off the dribble, in transition, mid-range, three pointer. He had it all. They present a fictional version of Pippen, again because of their insecurity over MJ.
It's because they're trolls. And they get their panties in a much whenever facts arise.

[tpols]

Oh save it. Even Miller would say he was nothing more than a great Jumshooter.

Miller literally said a day ago he'd average 45 ppg with today's format.

link (https://boxden.com/showthread.php?t=2917205)

An exaggeration, but totally disproves your notion. We have the '97 and '98 shooting splits for Pippen in the playoffs. He shot like shit. Could definitely finish at the rim, but couldn't score at all from mid or long range. At some point, you just have to accept those facts. Players today have much better shooting skill, and Reggie had GOAT shooting skill even in a knock down drag out era.

[Roundball_Rock]

It's because they're trolls. And they get their panties in a much whenever facts arise.

Do they have a single actual belief other than MJ is god?

They usually run from facts. That is why you can't have a conversation with them. They are bad faith drones, not willing or able to have a discussion. Like the idiot saying Pippen was just a dunker. He knows better (he has been educated numerous times) but lies anyway. Look at the chart. Pippen's best area (relative to the league) was the mid-range. The only place he was below average was a tiny section of the court, the right corner 3.

[tpols]

Rockhead is posting regular season splits.

Look up the playoffs shooting for '97 and '98 which is all we have for his prime. He shot in the 30s and 20s %'s from 10 ft - 3pt.

link (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html)

[Roundball_Rock]

How many dunks are in this (97' playoffs offensive highlights) video? :lol This isn't even peak Pippen and he is playing the finals with an injured foot. I see a lot of post ups, mid-range, threes, taking people off the dribble... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX1rd5SKQ3U

If any younger poster hasn't watched Pippen play, check out the video to see what kind of scoring game he actually had and how much MJ stans have been deceiving you when they tell you he was Dennis Rodman as a scorer.

[97 bulls]

Miller literally said a day ago he'd average 45 ppg with today's format.

link (https://boxden.com/showthread.php?t=2917205)

An exaggeration, but totally disproves your notion. We have the '97 and '98 shooting splits for Pippen in the playoffs. He shot like shit. Could definitely finish at the rim, but couldn't score at all from mid or long range. At some point, you just have to accept those facts. Players today have much better shooting skill, and Reggie had GOAT shooting skill even in a knock down drag out era.

Comprehend bro. Him saying he could score 45 today, doesnt undo the fact that he didnt have a post game and wasnt gonna break you down off the dribble.

He was an excellent shooter and moved great off the ball..

[Roundball_Rock]

Comprehend bro. Him saying he could score 45 today, doesnt undo the fact that he didnt have a post game and wasnt gonna break you down off the dribble.

He was an excellent shooter and moved great off the ball..

He ignores facts. :lol at Pippen not being able to score from mid or post range:

https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2020/0422/pippen96.jpg

How dumb do you have to be to not grasp a basic graph? Pippen was a plus shooter all over the court and elite at mid-range compared to the league.

These are profoundly dishonest people. Acting like Pippen had no post game, no mid-range game, no three game. That he was just a dunker. And they will lie non-stop, day in, day out to deceive young posters.

[Shooter]

Rockhead is posting regular season splits.

Look up the playoffs shooting for '97 and '98 which is all we have for his prime. He shot in the 30s and 20s %'s from 10 ft - 3pt.

link (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html)

Keep that same energy and pull up Kobe's playoff numbers as well then. We all know unless you're MJ or LeBron your #s usually decline in the playoffs so keep that same energy.

Kobe averaged 35.4 for an entire season in 2006 but in the playoffs I'm pretty sure he never even averaged 35.4 for a single series which is only 4 to 7 games.

[Roundball_Rock]

I am posting a comparison of Pippen to every other player in the NBA from every spot on the floor.

We don't have that for playoff opponents. The Bulls faced the #1, #3, #10, and #13 defenses in 97'. Those numbers are useless in a vacuum unless you saw what the numbers would be for every other player playing the same teams.

He is backpedaling. Busted lying about Pippen's post game, 3 game and mid-range game. :lol This idiot is saying Pippen had no post game when the Jazz were terrified of Pippen's post game in 97'. :oldlol: Lie after lie after lie from 1-9ball/IMKobe/tpols: the Axis of Deception.

[Shooter]

I am posting a comparison of Pippen to every other player in the NBA from every spot on the floor.

We don't have that for playoff opponents. The Bulls faced the #1, #3, #10, and #13 defenses in 97'. Those numbers are useless in a vacuum unless you saw what the numbers would be for every other player playing the same teams.

He is backpedaling. Busted lying about Pippen's post game, 3 game and mid-range game. :lol This idiot is saying Pippen had no post game when the Jazz were terrified of Pippen's post game.

Once again Roundball delivers the facts and the responders deliver the tears. Roudball stays dropping truth after truth and they backpedal in fear.

[Roundball_Rock]

Once again Roundball delivers the facts and the responders deliver the tears. Roudball stays dropping truth after truth and they backpedal in fear.

Someone has to do it. :cheers:

At the end of the "flu game", with the score tied and the series tied in Game 5 the Bulls threw it to Pippen in the post. Utah feared his post game so much they left MJ to double Pippen--which left MJ wide open for the game winning shot with 25 seconds left.

Yet these dishonest people are trying to tell you Pippen was basically Rodman or Ben Wallace as a scorer. Shameless.

[SouBeachTalents]

Idk if one of y'all started this, but thought it was funny it just happened to be made on RealGM yesterday

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1993188

[Roundball_Rock]

Idk if one of y'all started this, but thought it was funny it just happened to be made on RealGM yesterday

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1993188

Thanks for posting. That shows how out of whack ISH is on Pippen thanks to the insecure MJ stan crusade. Pippen is winning 16-3 there. On ISH can Pippen beat Draymond or Iggy in a poll? It would be close. :lol

I like the guy praising Butler for losing in the ECSF in 7 to the champs (putting up Pippen scoring numbers in a much easier defensive era against the Raptors) and dissing Pippen for doing the same. :oldlol:

People comically keep acting like Butler is this monster scorer--he has been that in the bubble but so is every other perimeter star this side of PG. Butler was 19 PPG in the PO last year, his PO peak going into this year was 23 PPG. For his prime, he is 21.1 PPG in the PO (Pippen was 20.0 in the PO in a tougher defensive era.)

[DMAVS41]

Wait, people actually think Jimmy Butler is a better basketball player than Pippen?

:facepalm

[Roundball_Rock]

Wait, people actually think Jimmy Butler is a better basketball player than Pippen?

:facepalm

Only MJ stans. :lol

[Vino24]

Jimmy Butler is playing better than 2nd 3-Peat Ordan

[Roundball_Rock]

Jimmy Butler is playing better than 2nd 3-Peat Ordan

Come on, man! Don't throw their agendas in their faces! :lol You are right, per their own logic:

*No one MJ ever played was as good as Butler since no one sniffed 28/5/5 on 71% TS.
*MJ himself never sniffed that.

In today's era, Butler is a 2x third team all-NBA guy but, per their logic here, he would be the best player in the NBA in the 90's. How weak was MJ's era then per MJ stans' own logic? :oldlol:

[Vino24]

Come on, man! Don't throw their agendas in their faces! :lol You are right, per their own logic:

*No one MJ ever played was as good as Butler since no one sniffed 28/5/5 on 71% TS.
*MJ himself never sniffed that.

In today's era, Butler is a 2x third team all-NBA guy but, per their logic here, he would be the best player in the NBA in the 90's. How weak was MJ's era then per MJ stans' own logic? :oldlol:

Lol this is the real discussion they wanted. We win again fam

[97 bulls]

Wait, people actually think Jimmy Butler is a better basketball player than Pippen?

:facepalm

After only 3-4 games. The logic is incredible.

[97 bulls]

Come on, man! Don't throw their agendas in their faces! :lol You are right, per their own logic:

*No one MJ ever played was as good as Butler since no one sniffed 28/5/5 on 71% TS.
*MJ himself never sniffed that.

In today's era, Butler is a 2x third team all-NBA guy but, per their logic here, he would be the best player in the NBA in the 90's. How weak was MJ's era then per MJ stans' own logic? :oldlol:

Mic drop

[Roundball_Rock]

Lol this is the real discussion they wanted. We win again fam

It is always fun to see their poor agendas collide. :pimp:


After only 3-4 games. The logic is incredible.

Look at who is saying it here. 1-9ball and his poodles tpols and IMKobe and some other Pippen haters. These guys think Pippen is Iggy, Michael Cooper, or at best Draymond so they thought Butler was better even before this since "Pippen sucked" as 1-9ball has said. :lol

[FromDowntown]

Come on, man! Don't throw their agendas in their faces! :lol You are right, per their own logic:

*No one MJ ever played was as good as Butler since no one sniffed 28/5/5 on 71% TS.
*MJ himself never sniffed that.

In today's era, Butler is a 2x third team all-NBA guy but, per their logic here, he would be the best player in the NBA in the 90's. How weak was MJ's era then per MJ stans' own logic? :oldlol:


Boom

[ImKobe]

I'll be honest, the current version of Jimmy Butler is looking better than any version of Pippen. Not just as a player, but as a locker room leader. He's all in on winning (didn't invite any family/groupies to the bubble) and is in the process of sweeping the #1 seed w/ the #1 defense, who has the B2B MVP & DPOY, and Butler doesn't have a Jordan on his team, heck, he doesn't even have a Scottie Pippen. Pippen never did anything as impressive as this as the best player on his team(he choked against the Knicks & Lakers). Butler's also doing it with a bunch 20-25 y.o of kids and a veteran point guard in Dragic.

It's not just that he's averaging 23 ppg, but it's 23.1 ppg in just 34.6 mpg & on 64.2%TS. The Heat are 7 - 0 in the Playoffs as well. If he leads the Heat to the Finals & continues averaging these numbers, there's no argument for Pippen.

[DMAVS41]

I'll be honest, the current version of Jimmy Butler is looking better than any version of Pippen. Not just as a player, but as a locker room leader. He's all in on winning (didn't invite any family/groupies to the bubble) and is in the process of sweeping the #1 seed w/ the #1 defense, who has the B2B MVP & DPOY, and Butler doesn't have a Jordan on his team, heck, he doesn't even have a Scottie Pippen. Pippen never did anything as impressive as this as the best player on his team(he choked against the Knicks & Lakers). Butler's also doing it with a bunch 20-25 y.o of kids and a veteran point guard in Dragic.

It's not just that he's averaging 23 ppg, but it's 23.1 ppg in just 34.6 mpg & on 64.2%TS. The Heat are 7 - 0 in the Playoffs as well. If he leads the Heat to the Finals & continues averaging these numbers, there's no argument for Pippen.

This is a very small sample and you have to apply context to the numbers with the bubble and current era. This just isn't close to enough of a sample...

Now, if he leads the Heat to a title or something...okay...then we'll talk.

But Pippen was a significantly better defender and did 23/8/5 without Jordan while taking the Knicks to 7.

Lets tap the brakes before we start using 7 game samples under these conditions to start making historical claims.

[Roundball_Rock]

This is a very small sample and you have to apply context to the numbers with the bubble and current era. This just isn't close to enough of a sample...

The same guy is one of those hyping up Miller as a 30 PPG type scorer in another thread on the front page as we speak--but somehow Pippen's numbers from the 90's would be exactly the same and therefore we can compare them to 3 bubble games of JB straight up. #Shameless :lol

[Smoke117]

The same guy is one of those hyping up Miller as a 30 PPG type scorer in another thread on the front page as we speak--but somehow Pippen's numbers from the 90's would be exactly the same and therefore we can compare them to 3 bubble games of JB straight up. #Shameless :lol

He goes on and on about how the game now isn't basketball anymore and is a joke...then uses a players stats in said game to try and diminish Pippen. He contradicts himself at every step. :oldlol: That's beside the fact that he doesn't even actually watch the game so his opinion is void for that reason alone. He's never even seen Jimmy Butler play and is just furiously looking up numbers on basketball reference. :lol

[Roundball_Rock]

He goes on and on about how the game now isn't basketball anymore and is a joke...then uses a players stats in said game to try and diminish Pippen. He contradicts himself at every step. :oldlol: That's beside the fact that he doesn't even actually watch the game so his opinion is void for that reason alone. He's never even seen Jimmy Butler play and is just furiously looking up numbers on basketball reference. :lol

All great points. :lol :lol :lol

[FromDowntown]

So Pippen was a top 3 MVP candidate in the 90s (3rd in MVP voting in 1994)

But in the 2020 era he would be less than Jimmy Butler, likely a top 20 ish player?

So A top 3 player from the 90s wouldn't even be top 20 in the modern era? YIKES

Careful OP! Danger! So then how weak was the 90s then?

[FromDowntown]

I'll be honest, the current version of Jimmy Butler is looking better than any version of Pippen. Not just as a player, but as a locker room leader. He's all in on winning (didn't invite any family/groupies to the bubble) and is in the process of sweeping the #1 seed w/ the #1 defense, who has the B2B MVP & DPOY, and Butler doesn't have a Jordan on his team, heck, he doesn't even have a Scottie Pippen. Pippen never did anything as impressive as this as the best player on his team(he choked against the Knicks & Lakers). Butler's also doing it with a bunch 20-25 y.o of kids and a veteran point guard in Dragic.

It's not just that he's averaging 23 ppg, but it's 23.1 ppg in just 34.6 mpg & on 64.2%TS. The Heat are 7 - 0 in the Playoffs as well. If he leads the Heat to the Finals & continues averaging these numbers, there's no argument for Pippen.

Nice. So a top 3 player in the 90s would be less than a top 20 player in the modern era. Good to know thanks slick :pimp:

[DMAVS41]

Not sure the game today is helping that small sample of averages everyone keeps touting for Butler. :roll:

[FromDowntown]

Not sure the game today is helping that small sample of averages everyone keeps touting for Butler. :roll:

+1

Jimmy Butler finishes game 4 in regulation with like 15 on 5/15 shooting :lol

[3ball]

Wow. Middleton > Pippen

Pippen never gave MJ the game off like Middleton did Giannis today

[FromDowntown]

Wow. Middleton > Pippen

Pippen never gave MJ the game off like Middleton did Giannis today

Crazy weak era when a top 3 mvp is maybe top 30 in 2020.

Mjs ring are worth 1/3 now :lol He has 2 rings since they are tainted 90s junk

[DMAVS41]

Wow. Middleton > Pippen

Pippen never gave MJ the game off like Middleton did Giannis today

Do you really not realize how you are basically arguing that MJ's competition sucked compared to today?

[3ball]

Thread Cliffs

Tons of guys like Jimmy Butler play better than Pippen ever did because the bar is low - Pippen never averaged more than 22 and never dominated or hit big shots

There is zero chance that he's top 30 all-time.. it's one of the most overrated players ever.. he was just lucky to play with MJ in a 2-star format

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Wow. Middleton > Pippen

Pippen never gave MJ the game off like Middleton did Giannis today

We both know that isn't true so why shit post? Come on, you can't be that desperate for interaction.

[3ball]

We both know that isn't true so why shit post? Come on, you can't be that desperate for interaction.

When did Pippen give MJ the game off

[SouBeachTalents]

When did Pippen give MJ the game off
Pippen gave Jordan the season off and only won 2 less games than they did with Jordan

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

When did Pippen give MJ the game off

When are you going to quit being a sorry ass bum?

I'm gonna leave this here, and will not entertain your nonsense further.

G3 of the 93 conference finals: Mike shot 3/18 for 22 points. Pippen shot 83% from the field and scored 29 points in a Bulls W.

G3 of the 95 conference finals: Mike went 5/14 for 17 points. Pippen shot 79% from the field and scored 27 with more assists. Bulls won that game too.

[Vino24]

Pippen gave MJ an entire season off and he still won 50+ games. Let that sink in

[3ball]

When are you going to quit being a sorry ass bum?

I'm gonna leave this here, and will not entertain your nonsense further.

G3 of 93 conference finals: Mike shot 3/18 for 22 points. Pippen shot 83% from the field and scored 29 points in a Bulls W.

G3 of the 95 conference finals: Mike went 5/14 for 17 points. Pippen shot 79% from the field and scored 27 with more assists too. Bulls also won that game.

Not even a 30 point game for Pippen.. gimme a break... He didn't dominate or give mj the game off keep dreaming

Middleton got 36/8/8, aka domination... Giannis only played 11 minutes...

No comparison

Lol pointing out a 28 point game as "carrying" the team... Gtfo you're a joke and made my point

And those were your BEST examples... :yaohappy:

[97 bulls]

he goes on and on about how the game now isn't basketball anymore and is a joke...then uses a players stats in said game to try and diminish pippen. He contradicts himself at every step. :oldlol: That's beside the fact that he doesn't even actually watch the game so his opinion is void for that reason alone. He's never even seen jimmy butler play and is just furiously looking up numbers on basketball reference. :lol

facts!!!!!

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

MJ literally shot 17% from the field in that first game, and you don't think Pippen gave him the day off?

Like I said, you are a dumbass dweeb. And not worth the effort.

[DMAVS41]

Not even a 30 point game for Pippen.. gimme a break... He didn't dominate or give mj the game off keep dreaming

Middleton got 36/8/8, aka domination... Giannis only played 11 minutes...

No comparison

Lol pointing out a 28 point game as "carrying" the team... Gtfo you're a joke and made my point

And those were your BEST examples... :yaohappy:

But you say the stats are a joke now...so clearly Middleton getting 36 in OT is far less impressive today than in the past...right?

[Vino24]

MJ literally shot 17% from the field in that game, and you don't think Pippen gave him the day off?

Like I said, you are a dumbass dweeb. Be lucky you and I both don't know each other IRL.

Facts 1-9ball can’t comprehend

[3ball]

MJ literally shot 17% from the field in that first game, and you don't think Pippen gave him the day off?

Like I said, you are a dumbass dweeb. And not worth the effort.

MJ had highest usage and attracted all the attention.. so he never got the day off

You simply don't understand the game on a sufficiently-high level, so you forget stuff like usage or decoy/double-teams.

How is mj getting the day off when he's attracting all the attention and has the highest volume?.. lol

Btw, the Bulls were up 20 after 1 quarter and 30 at halftime, so everyone had the day off.. they didn't need Pippen or Jordan

[Vino24]

MJ had highest usage and attracted all the attention.. so he never got the day off

You simply don't understand the game on a sufficiently-high level, so you forget stuff like usage or decoy/double-teams.

How is mj getting the day off when he's attracting all the attention and has the highest volume?.. lol

Btw, the Bulls were up 20 after 1 quarter and 30 at halftime, so everyone had the day off.. they didn't need Pippen or Jordan

So you admit that MJ’s team was stacked? Be careful now ;)

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

So you admit that MJ’s team was stacked? Be careful now ;)

Pippen literally outplayed Jordan by a country mile. In both games.

3ball has to pivot and move goalposts on what "days off" are now :lol The dope cant even troll right

[3ball]

Pippen literally outplayed Jordan by a country mile. In both games.

3ball has to pivot and move goalposts on what "days off" are now :lol The dullard cant even troll right

Jordan carried the load and volume both games

So Pippen never dominated and gave Jordan the game off... Virtually never... MJ always carried the load and Pippen benefitted and was left wide open more than anyone ever..

MJ allowed Pippen to get 27 flow points while MJ always had the higher/tougher usage

[3ball]

Middleton... 28 shots... 9 FT
Giannis....... 10 shots... 4 FT

Pippen... 12 shots... 10 FT
Jordan... 18 shots... 17 FT


So Middleton and Jordan carried the load, while Giannis/Pippen got the day off with flow points and low volume

[FromDowntown]

So Pippen was a top 3 MVP candidate in the 90s (3rd in MVP voting in 1994)

But in the 2020 era he would be less than Jimmy Butler, likely a top 20 ish player?

So A top 3 player from the 90s wouldn't even be top 20 in the modern era? YIKES

Careful OP! Danger! So then how weak was the 90s then?

OP? Don't run now

[SouBeachTalents]

Middleton... 28 shots... 9 FT
Giannis....... 10 shots... 4 FT

Pippen... 12 shots... 10 FT
Jordan... 18 shots... 17 FT


So Middleton and Jordan carried the load, while Giannis/Pippen got the day off with flow points and low volume
Damn, all those extra shots and Pippen still outscored him 29-22 :oldlol:

[Vino24]

Middleton... 28 shots... 9 FT
Giannis....... 10 shots... 4 FT

Pippen... 12 shots... 10 FT
Jordan... 18 shots... 17 FT


So Middleton and Jordan carried the load, while Giannis/Pippen got the day off with flow points and low volume
Pippen still outscored MJ despite MJ’s “load” also Middleton is playing better than 2nd 3-peat MJ

[Roundball_Rock]

1-9ball getting embarrassed so badly even his betas have abandoned him. :lol

It is hilarious how they say Pippen sucked when he was the best forward in the game (per all-NBA voters in 94' and 96') and the best perimeter player not named MJ in the decade. What does that say about how weak MJ's era was if a player worse than Middleton was that big of a superstar in the weak 90's? It completely discredits MJ's rangz and accomplishments--confirms the biggest argument MJ haters make against him: MJ played against plumbers and ice cream truck drivers.

Kuniva, see what I meant in that other thread? These guys flip flop on a whim on whether it is easier to score today than in the 90's based on the agenda at any given moment.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

1-9ball getting embarrassed so badly even his betas have abandoned him. :lol

Kuniva, see what I meant in that other thread? These guys flip flop on a whim on whether it is easier to score today than in the 90's based on the agenda at any given moment.

Guess that "beginner brand" is really cordeon blue :oldlol:

Here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?484083-Jimmy-Butler-28-5-5-on-71-TS-Pippen-can-t-do-that-would-be-losing-vs-Bucks&p=14106703&viewfull=1#post14106703) Pippen outplays Jordan like he were a role player, but it doesn't count because Pippen didn't crack "30". When you expose their hollow claims, they spin their heads like an exorcism.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

ice cream truck drivers.

:roll:

[Roundball_Rock]

Guess that "beginner brand" is really cordeon blue :oldlol:

Here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?484083-Jimmy-Butler-28-5-5-on-71-TS-Pippen-can-t-do-that-would-be-losing-vs-Bucks&p=14106703&viewfull=1#post14106703) Pippen outplays Jordan like he were a role player, but it doesn't count because Pippen didn't crack "30". When you expose their hollow claims, they spin their heads like an exorcism.

"30"--as if there is a substantive difference between "30" and "29". :lol

It is documented that Pippen helped MJ save energy when he came out of retirement and was older. Any real MJ fan would be aware of that.

[97 bulls]

Guess that "beginner brand" is really cordeon blue :oldlol:

Here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?484083-Jimmy-Butler-28-5-5-on-71-TS-Pippen-can-t-do-that-would-be-losing-vs-Bucks&p=14106703&viewfull=1#post14106703) Pippen outplays Jordan like he were a role player, but it doesn't count because Pippen didn't crack "30". When you expose their hollow claims, they spin their heads like an exorcism.

If he cracked 30, it wouldve been 35, if he scored 20, they'd be complaining that he didnt score 25. You cant win with these people.

[Roundball_Rock]

If he cracked 30, it wouldve been 35, if he scored 20, they'd be complaining that he didnt score 25. You cant win with these people.

Yup. These guys have no actual beliefs, just agenda driven drivel that is laughably inconsistent thread to thread, player to player, etc.

The game was a blowout ironically in large part because Pippen shot 83% but he should have shot worse so he could have scored more in a competitive game so he could play his full minutes load than 29 in a blowout. These guys are embarrassing.

[knicksman]

1-9ball getting embarrassed so badly even his betas have abandoned him. :lol

It is hilarious how they say Pippen sucked when he was the best forward in the game (per all-NBA voters in 94' and 96') and the best perimeter player not named MJ in the decade. What does that say about how weak MJ's era was if a player worse than Middleton was that big of a superstar in the weak 90's? It completely discredits MJ's rangz and accomplishments--confirms the biggest argument MJ haters make against him: MJ played against plumbers and ice cream truck drivers.

Kuniva, see what I meant in that other thread? These guys flip flop on a whim on whether it is easier to score today than in the 90's based on the agenda at any given moment.

we all know why youre triggered with the word beta bro. Coz youre one. Thats why you love pippen/lebron type of players and is a bitch coz youre a loser. So move on. Nobody respects betas like lebron/pippen.

[Vino24]

we all know why youre triggered with the word beta bro. Coz youre one. Thats why you love pippen/lebron type of players and is a bitch coz youre a loser. So move on. Nobody respects betas like lebron/pippen.

You talking about alpha and beta yet you never experienced *****. Fvck outahere with your nonsense

[Roundball_Rock]

Another MJ stan who says Pippen sucked suddenly saying how stacked the 90's were when it comes to other stars:


Lillard would be a star in the 90's, but he is not better than the top tier guys from that era

The agendas are laughably transparent. So PG's were awesome in the 90's but forwards as a whole were so bad a scrub like Pippen was the top forward per all-NBA voters in multiple years with Malone, Barkley, Hill, Kemp in their primes during that time frame? 90's so deep that Lillard would be a second tier guy at PG but a bum like Pippen was voted the best all-around player by coaches, GM's, etc. in a USA Today survey?

Pippen Derangement Syndrome is a powerful thing. :lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?481042-Would-Damian-Lillard-be-the-best-point-guard-in-the-90-s/page3

[knicksman]

You talking about alpha and beta yet you never experienced *****. Fvck outahere with your nonsense

another beta f@g triggered.

[FromDowntown]

You talking about alpha and beta yet you never experienced *****. Fvck outahere with your nonsense

Roasted

[FromDowntown]

another beta f@g triggered.

How old were you when your Knicks last won a championship? Don't be shy

[Roundball_Rock]

How old were you when your Knicks last won a championship? Don't be shy

LeBron is a loser for 3-6 in 16 seasons. Knicks 2-4 all-time I believe...0-2 since the 70s and 0-0 this century.

[Vino24]

LeBron is a loser for 3-6 in 16 seasons. Knicks 2-4 all-time I believe...0-2 since the 70s and 0-0 this century.

He logged off after this post lolol

[Lakergirl 04]

I asked my brother the last three years, who did he view better Paul George or Jimmy Butler? He always said PG was a way better offensive player, as well as defender. I said the offense might be true but Jimmy is great at D. He never had a team built around him, the way PG did with the Pacers. We have seen Paul flame out in important games the last four years! If they switched places Butler/Kawhi be the best duo in the league hands down, and I pencil in at least two finals appearances and one ring. Maybe more if they stayed together at least five years.

On the Bulls he was behind injury prone Rose, and Noah.
The Timberwolves had soft ass Kat, and Wiggins as there leader.
The 76ers were amazing for him, but Brett Brown is a idiot and Simmons can't shoot.

The Heat he is showing us what he can do. He just needs another good player, maybe Embiid be perfect. Oladipo wants out of Indiana supposedly, the 76ers need to get rid of one of there stars and rebuild with ton of draft picks. I definitely see a ring in there future. The Heat haven't won anything since 2013. Jimmy didn't jump on a superteam, he has welcomed anyone that wants to win to team up with him. I love for it to be Joel. Imagine if Playoff off P led the Heat instead? They would lost to the Pacers in 5.

[GimmeThat]

in game 1 in a game where Bledsoe didn't play, the Bucks bench out-rebounded the Heat 15-9 while committing 19 costly turnovers to Heat's 16. only what transpired from that for the next 2 games, were that the Heat, while maintaining near the same FGA per game with the Bucks, shot 30 more 3 point shots combined over the 3 games span.

the Heat are gassed out, particularly mentally, Iguodala only playing 11 minutes in game 2's 2 point win over the Bucks might be something that will haunt the Heat. they probably didn't want to see someone in a Heat's jersey trying to foul for getting beat on his defensive assignment.

once the Heat are forced to play the pick and roll, their league worse offensive rebounding will show up again. and it'll probably be too late for Butler to try and block some shots.

[knicksman]

He logged off after this post lolol

you know youre a beta if you settle for less. You settle for a pippen instead of a jordan. You settle for superteam rings instead of legit rings. So stay losing losers. LOL