2011 PLAYOFFS - Wade 24.5 ppg, 26 PER.. Lebron 23.7, 23 PER.. Lebron was a "pippen"

[3ball]

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CLUTCH STATS (the determining factor for being "a pippen")


Last 5 within 5

Wade..... 13 pts
Lebron..... 0 (last all-time)

https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&PerMode=Totals


Conclusion - Lebron was a "pippen", which is why the Heat lost. Only MJ could win with a non-shooting, no clutch, scared low/flow scorer, aka a "pippen"

[Roundball_Rock]

1-9ball is more obsessed with Pippen than Madonna was. :lol

LeBron without Wade: champ
Wade without LeBron: champ
Pippen without Jordan: Game 7 of the WCF
Jordan without Pippen: 1-9 (even Luka already has a W w/out KP)
Butler without Rose: ECF? Finals?

All these players had success without their best teammate--except the supposed GOAT? :confusedshrug:

[Hey Yo]

Even after a bad Finals....James still led the 2011 postseason in win shares.

How can that be??

[Young X]

Wade was better than Lebron in 2011, 2007 and 2006 and 2005.

[3ball]

Even after a bad Finals....James still led the 2011 postseason in win shares.

How can that be??

Lebron averaged 17/7/6 with zero clutch in the 11' Finals, aka "pippen"

It's hard to win with a "pippen", as Wade found out.. Wade's 27.0 ppg wasn't enough to beat an unathletic, 1-star underdog team because his sidekick was a "pippen"

People forget that pippen/gasol are the only 2nd options with 2+ rings that never got fmvp or 25-30 ppg in Finals.. it's just a lower level entirely than guys like Kawhi, Parker, Worthy, or Dumars getting FMVP, or juggernauts like Mchale, Wade or Kyrie getting nearly 30 ppg.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron averaged 17/7/6 on average efficiency in the 11' Finals, aka "pippen"

It's hard to win with a "pippen", as Wade found out.. Wade's 27.0 ppg wasn't enough to beat an unathletic, 1-star underdog team because his sidekick was a "pippen"

People forget that pippen/gasol are the only 2nd options with 2+ rings that never got fmvp or 25-30 ppg in Finals.. it's just a lower level entirely than guys like Kawhi, Parker, Worthy, or Dumars getting FMVP, or juggernauts like Mchale, Wade or Kyrie getting nearly 30 ppg.
Pippen > Parker, Dumars & Worthy

[Roundball_Rock]

We get a daily Pippen sucks thread from the same poster. Can you imagine the reaction of this was done with any other player? For example, a daily Stockton sucks thread? I posted 2 critical threads of Stockton (2 since 2009) and people were screaming bloody murder. Why the double standard?

[tpols]

Pippen > Parker, Dumars & Worthy

maybe parker because of defense, but worthy and dumars had a different playoff gear. Same deal for Manu (2005 NBA playoffs and 2004 Olympics)

[3ball]

Pippen > Parker, Dumars & Worthy

Dumars averaged 27/7/6 in the 89' Finals and gave Isiah the series off - Pippen never gave Jordan a series off by putting up those kinds of numbers or "taking over" in the clutch like Dumars did

Worthy led the Lakers in playoff scoring with 24-25 ppg on several Finals runs and averaged 30 on 64% in the 87' WCF... Again, Pippen never played this well.. he was "pippen", after all and therefore a playoff disappointment like the similar Giannis.. Giannis would be Pippen in 90's

And Parker was better scorer, passer, shooter, and clutch than pippen.. Parker dominated

[Roundball_Rock]

Tpols following 1-9ball within minutes. Where is IMKobe? These betas. :lol

[tpols]

you were literally the first person to post in this thread mate.

It's just easy work. :lol

You have a "bat signal" for scottie pippen. A super stan lmao. And glutton for punishment.

[Roundball_Rock]

1-9ball has to fight his own battles instead of hiding behind betas.

[3ball]

1-9ball is more obsessed with Pippen than Madonna was. :lol

LeBron without Wade: champ
Wade without LeBron: champ
Pippen without Jordan: Game 7 of the WCF
Jordan without Pippen: 1-9 (even Luka already has a W w/out KP)
Butler without Rose: ECF? Finals?

All these players had success without their best teammate--except the supposed GOAT? :confusedshrug:

Small sample.. and MJ had 8 seed - I doubt you'll find rookies winning with 8 seed

And you should understand that mj was carrying those lottery teams TO the 8 seed, and therefore getting the 8 vs 1 matchup, whereas lebron failed to carry lottery casts to 8 seeds in 04', 05, and 19', therefore avoiding the 8 vs 1 matchup.. lebron only made Playoffs with high seeds/good teams and therefore easy 1st round matchups.. he entered the league with the East all-star center on his team, and then stole the 22/5/5 Hughes from Arenas to beat Arenas in 06'... aka shameful theft of your opponent's best teammate..

[Roundball_Rock]

Luka won without KP as a 7 seed as a 21 year old. #Noexcuses.

Plus, as you have argued, Luka did it in a much tougher era. Butler is 10th or so in today's era and he is doing what Malone or Ewing could never do: 28/5/5 on 71% TS, per your own argument.

[3ball]

Luka won without KP as a 7 seed as a 21 year old. #Noexcuses.

Plus, as you have argued, Luka did it in a much tougher era. Butler is 10th or so in today's era and he is doing what Malone or Ewing could never do: 28/5/5 on 71% TS, per your own argument.

I'd love to see how Luka would handle the "traveling cocaine circus"... lol..

It's a miracle that MJ got a legit lottery cast (they were lottery the prior year) to the playoffs, whereas lebron never led a lottery team to the playoffs (failed in 04' and 19')..

Lebron only made playoffs with developed and good teams/high seeds, with many veterans.. he entered the league with the East all-star center on his team, but still needed a 22/5/5 all-defender and the future COY to make playoffs in 06'.. his superior casts explain why he achieved more wins with weaker stats than MJ

Btw, you should understand that if you can't pull-up from mid-range, then you aren't a top-top level player... You can still be a high level player, but not that top level

[SATAN]

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[FromDowntown]

And what did 2011 Wade ball get the Heat?

And what did 2012 and 2013 Lebron ball get the Heat?

Thanks :lol

[FromDowntown]

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[FromDowntown]

1-9ball is more obsessed with Pippen than Madonna was. :lol

LeBron without Wade: champ
Wade without LeBron: champ
Pippen without Jordan: Game 7 of the WCF
Jordan without Pippen: 1-9 (even Luka already has a W w/out KP)
Butler without Rose: ECF? Finals?

All these players had success without their best teammate--except the supposed GOAT? :confusedshrug:

And don't forget Kareem w/o Magic :cheers: and Shaq without Kobe

Everyone has done it...Except...Fraudon 1-9

[FromDowntown]

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[Roundball_Rock]

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And don't forget Kareem w/o Magic :cheers: and Shaq without Kobe

Everyone has done it...Except...Fraudon 1-9

Yup (Wilt w/out West is another), hence the insecurity and the non-stop crusade to diminish Pippen (who they should be thanking for the 6 rangz). Even Magic w/out Kareem in a three year sample made a finals.

[FromDowntown]

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Yup (Wilt w/out West is another), hence the insecurity and the non-stop crusade to diminish Pippen (who they should be thanking for the 6 rangz). Even Magic w/out Kareem in a three year sample made a finals and a WCF.

And Hakeem without Drexler. and TD w/out Parker and/or DRob

Damn...Everyone in the top 10 has done it except for MJ :lol talk about most relied upon supestar ever (Pippen).

[Roundball_Rock]

And Hakeem without Drexler. and TD w/out Parker and/or DRob

Damn...Everyone in the top 10 has done it except for MJ :lol talk about most relied upon supestar ever (Pippen).

Yup, hence the insecurity. It is funny, MJ probably could have won 1-2 rings with Grant as his sidekicks. Hakeem won with Thorpe as his sidekick, Ewing made a finals with Starks, Drexler with Porter, etc. So MJ likely would still win 1-2 with Grant.

But the historical fact remains he didn't and he sticks out like a sore thumb, especially when we see LeBron contend on different team after different team. All of MJ's team success came with Pippen and Jackson there--when they left the guy flat out retired. That speaks volumes. The irony is no one really holds this against MJ but MJ stans are extremely insecure about this.