Lebron avoids contested jumpers

[3ball]

NBA.com... 94% of Lebron's shots outside of 10 feet are either "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender) or "wide open" (6+ feet), compared to 77.1% (https://stats.nba.com/player/201935/shots-dash/) for Harden, 82.0% (https://stats.nba.com/player/203078/shots-dash/) for Bradley Beal, 77.8% (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/shots-dash/) for Kawhi, and 66.6% (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/shots-dash/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) for KDGoat (in 2019).

So his peers take 3-6 times as many contested jumpers.. this shows a massive lack of jumpshooting skill compared to his peers.

There's no defense for guys hitting contested jumpers, so they require double-teams - Lebron doesn't even attempt contested jumpers, so that explains why he doesn't get doubled.

[SATAN]

1-9

[Gray GOAT]

Moral of your thread: LeBron avoids low efficiency, low IQ shots. Smart player, I would say.

[Gohan]

Lebron is too good of a passer to double, he’ll always make the right play

[Vino24]

1-9

[STATUTORY]

doesn't have the coordination and body control to take/make those shots on a consistent basis

[Manny98]

Isn't that what you're supposed to do in basketball :lol

[SATAN]

Isn't that what you're supposed to do in basketball :lol

Depends if you're a ball hog or not.

[BigKobeFan]

As a bran hater. I would agree that its the most efficient play to avoid a contested jumper. That being said, it makes it easier to guard and defend him

[Wally450]

Op has never watched a basketball game with Lebron James playing. Let that sink in.

[Bronbron23]

As a bran hater. I would agree that its the most efficient play to avoid a contested jumper. That being said, it makes it easier to guard and defend him

this. Its not lebrons strength so he likes to wait for more efficient shots to come to him. This is why he's so efficient but also why he's not as versatile a scorer as guya like mj and kd.

[aj1987]

this. Its not lebrons strength so he likes to wait for more efficient shots to come to him. This is why he's so efficient but also why he's not as versatile a scorer as guya like mj and kd.

And yet, LeBron is quite easily the 2nd greatest scorer in the PO's in NBA history. After MJ, obviously.

[FromDowntown]

1-9


Moral of your thread: LeBron avoids low efficiency, low IQ shots. Smart player, I would say.

I was just coming in to say this but it appears you both had it taken care of.



Gentlemen

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[FireDavidKahn]

So you're saying that LeBron avoids bad shots?:bowdown:

[3ball]

And yet, LeBron is quite easily the 2nd greatest scorer in the PO's in NBA history. After MJ, obviously.

He's not even close to the #2 scorer because he holds the ball 12 minutes a game (4 minutes for kd and kawhi)

And anyone that can't shoot pull-ups, contested jumpers or simply has weak jumpshooting skill isn't a great scorer... :confusedshrug:

For example, Wade scored better than lebron ever did in the 06' Finals... Ditto Durant in 2017.. peak lebron is an inferior scorer to peak Wade, Kobe or Vandeweghe or tons of guys

[SouBeachTalents]

He's not even close to the #2 scorer because he holds the ball 12 minutes a game (KD and Kawhi 4 minutes)

And anyone that can't shoot pull-ups, contested jumpers or simply has weak jumpshooting skill isn't a great scorer

For example, Wade scored better than lebron ever did in the 06' Finals... Ditto Durant in 2017.. peak lebron is an inferior scorer to peak Wade, Kobe or Vandeweghe or tons of guys
:oldlol:

[Vino24]

He's not even close to the #2 scorer because he holds the ball 12 minutes a game (KD and Kawhi 4 minutes)

And anyone that can't shoot pull-ups, contested jumpers or simply has weak jumpshooting skill isn't a great scorer

For example, Wade scored better than lebron ever did in the 06' Finals... Ditto Durant in 2017.. peak lebron is an inferior scorer to peak Wade, Kobe or Vandeweghe or tons of guys

2016 leads everyone in everything. MJ simply wasn’t capable of that

[StrongLurk]

Everyone in the world knows you can't double Lebron unless you want him teammates getting open looks all game. Lebron's height, BBIQ, and passing ability is too good as a package.

[3ball]

2016 leads everyone in everything. MJ simply wasn’t capable of that

It's better to score 20 more than everyone - that wins more, 6/6

And Jordan led the bulls in everything in 97' playoffs

[3ball]

Everyone in the world knows you can't double Lebron unless you want him teammates getting open looks all game. Lebron's height, BBIQ, and passing ability is too good as a package.

Bullshit

Anyone can pass out of a double team because double team create a 4-on-3 off-the-ball

Double teams put teams at a huge disadvantage but they don't double lebron because he never "gets hot" or "takes over".. because he lacks jumpshooting skill and avoids contested jumpers

[FireDavidKahn]

It's better to score 20 more than everyone - that wins more, 6/6

And Jordan led the bulls in everything in 97' playoffs

Vino meant everything. Not just one team.

[Vino24]

It's better to score 20 more than everyone - that wins more, 6/6

And Jordan led the bulls in everything in 97' playoffs

Ppg is not everything. You simply can only comprehend one facet of the game. The game is more complicated than your kindergarten take on it.

[3ball]

Vino meant everything. Not just one team.

Who cares - defensive rebounds and assists aren't as important as scoring

And if KJ outplayed Jordan in the 93' Finals, would we say Barkley had the goat accomplishment by winning that series?.. Or if Rik Smits outplayed 00' Shaq, would Miller have the goat accomplishment?.. So when Kyrie outplays Curry, it's preposterous to say Lebron has a goat accomplishment

And who cares about lebron's assists because his style yields low TEAM assists... Again, scoring, clutch and possession efficiency is what matters and drives winning the most

[Bronbron23]

And yet, LeBron is quite easily the 2nd greatest scorer in the PO's in NBA history. After MJ, obviously.

Not the second greatest winner though. He's gonna get his points. He's a beast and he has the ball in his hands alot. Its a given.

[Vino24]

Big game James

[72-10]

Glad to see Vino24 around these parts, thanks for checking in, Vino. LeBron ripped as fvck in that pic.

[FromDowntown]

2016 leads everyone in everything. MJ simply wasn’t capable of that

He lacked a deep skillset. MJ could score like Iverson or Demar but that was about it. Luckily Pippen saved his failure of a career (1 for 10) yikes

[Vino24]

Glad to see Vino24 around these parts, thanks for checking in, Vino. LeBron ripped as fvck in that pic.

He’s a thick boi. 35 years still strong as ever

[FromDowntown]

2016 leads everyone in everything. MJ simply wasn’t capable of that

He lacked the superior skillset of being a complete player


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[MaxPlayer]

He lacked the superior skillset of being a complete player


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Shut it down, boys!

[Vino24]

He lacked the superior skillset of being a complete player


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Big facts!

[Roundball_Rock]

peak lebron is an inferior scorer to peak Wade, Kobe or Vandeweghe or tons of guys

:roll:

[TheCorporation]

He lacked the superior skillset of being a complete player


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Thicc fax

[aj1987]

He's not even close to the #2 scorer because he holds the ball 12 minutes a game (4 minutes for kd and kawhi)

And anyone that can't shoot pull-ups, contested jumpers or simply has weak jumpshooting skill isn't a great scorer... :confusedshrug:

For example, Wade scored better than lebron ever did in the 06' Finals... Ditto Durant in 2017.. peak lebron is an inferior scorer to peak Wade, Kobe or Vandeweghe or tons of guys

You do know that LeBron has several series in which he scored more than Wade in '06 and Durant in '17, right? Of course you do, you just ignore it, 'cause you're a mouth breathing retard.

As for the bolded, go drink bleach.



Not the second greatest winner though. He's gonna get his points. He's a beast and he has the ball in his hands alot. Its a given.

MJ is literally the only other player who has at least 4 MVP's and 3 FMVP's. "nOt A wInNEr dOe!!!11". :facepalm

LeBron is the #2 GOAT and it's pretty much consensus now. You kids have to just deal with it.

[SATAN]

LeBron's first points vs Rockets=contested jumper.

LeBron's game sealing last shot=mid range fade away.

:oldlol:

:facepalm

[BigtimeNBAFan]

Lol this is really where Lebron hatre is going? He makes the smart basketball decision and that is a bad thing?

I guess it is smarter than "stats don't matter" and "his team carried him to all his titles."

[FromDowntown]

LeBron's first points vs Rockets=contested jumper.

LeBron's game sealing last shot=mid range fade away.

:oldlol:

:facepalm

Nail in coffin

:rockon:

[BigtimeNBAFan]

LeBron's first points vs Rockets=contested jumper.

LeBron's game sealing last shot=mid range fade away.

:oldlol:

:facepalm

These people don't watch the games. They are the same people that think a player who has scored 40 points in 27 playoff games and averages 29 ppg in the playoffs isn't a great playoff scorer.

[Roundball_Rock]

These people don't watch the games. They are the same people that think a player who has scored 40 points in 27 playoff games and averages 29 ppg in the playoffs isn't a great playoff scorer.

OP (1-9ball) has admitted he hasn't watched a NBA game since 2011 yet he comes in with daily comments on players he has never seen play (e.g., Davis, Middleton, George, Butler as recent examples) or games and series he hasn't watched. :lol

[GimmeThat]

35.8/13.3/8.8 on .398/.310/.687 says otherwise.

went 2-4 as a 53-29 team against a 67-15 team on the finals

[light]

NBA.com... 94% of Lebron's shots outside of 10 feet are either "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender) or "wide open" (6+ feet), compared to 77.1% (https://stats.nba.com/player/201935/shots-dash/) for Harden, 82.0% (https://stats.nba.com/player/203078/shots-dash/) for Bradley Beal, 77.8% (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/shots-dash/) for Kawhi, and 66.6% (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/shots-dash/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) for KDGoat (in 2019).

So his peers take 3-6 times as many contested jumpers.. this shows a massive lack of jumpshooting skill compared to his peers.

There's no defense for guys hitting contested jumpers, so they require double-teams - Lebron doesn't even attempt contested jumpers, so that explains why he doesn't get doubled.

LeBron's peers are not as intelligent as he is.

LeBron doesn't get double teamed because he kills doubles with his passing. He always finds the open teammate. So teams avoid that and choose to double his sidekick who they think they can have more success disrupting.

[Roundball_Rock]

LeBron doesn't get double teamed because he kills doubles with his passing. He always finds the open teammate. So teams avoid that and choose to double his sidekick who they think they can have more success disrupting.

He is one of the greatest passers and greatest in basketball IQ--yet 1-9ball wants to double him so he can kill defenses with his passing? :lol

[3ball]

He is one of the greatest passers and greatest in basketball IQ--yet 1-9ball wants to double him so he can kill defenses with his passing? :lol

Bro stfu spouting that ESPN bullshit

Lebron is NOT a smart basketball player..

He employs the simplest and most losing brand of basketball - ball-domination.. its an aau or playground brand of ball.. consequently, he fields low-assist teams that get destroyed in the championship.. lebron gets 13 assists, while the team has 16 and gets massively out-assisted in the championship.. that's NOT smart basketball bro, and it requires extra talent to win and offset the weak ball movement.

So he doesn't play smart, and therefore loses to teams that he should be beating - teams he was favored or even money against (09', 10', 11', 14').. and he had enough help in 17' - there's no excuse to not win or at least be competitive with Kyrie, Love and tons of vets

He underachieves his supporting talent because he employs a dumb, losing brand.. he literally holds the ball 12 minutes per game and people wonder why he's 3/9 in the championship... :facepalm:.. people (like you) are amazingly dumb about the game and think that a losing brand is infact "smart" and a genius way to play.. it's literally the DUMBEST way anyone can play

And why can't lebron have high-assist teams that play a great brand? It's due to a SKILL DEFICIT... Lebron can't shoot and lacks an assisted skillset (off-ball feetwork and shooting touch).. so lebron is a big dude, but he's dumb, lacks key skills and is easily beatable like Goliath

[Roundball_Rock]

You haven't watched the guy play since Obama's first term yet are talking about him every day. :lol

[3ball]

You haven't watched the guy play since Obama's first term yet are talking about him every day. :lol

A smart person can figure him out without watched him... Based on stats:

Historically, lebron starts at SF, but then he becomes a 2nd point guard once the game starts - these 2 point guard lineups give teammates less time with the ball and assists then they get in traditional 1-PG lineups.. lower teammate assists results in low TEAM assists and a weak ball movement brand that gets massively out-assisted in the championship..

Ultimately, Lebron's ball-dominance turns teammates into highly-assisted play-finishers, which doesn't develop teammates, thus requiring ready-made stars acquired via team-hopping/colluding/cheating

^^^ these are all statistical or historical facts... Again, this is literally the dumbest way to play.. lebron's 2 point guard approach has been a massive hemorrhage for all his teams (hampering brand), thus requiring extra talent (team-hopping) to win..

Ultimately, the forward position is a normally high-assisted position... Lebron turns it into a low-assisted position, thereby lowering the assist capacity of the team (low assist teams)

It's super-duper dumb... AAU shit in the NBA

[sdot_thadon]

You haven't watched the guy play since Obama's first term yet are talking about him every day. :lol

Oh nah, he been lying his ass off, he doesn't miss a second of Lebron's life.....which makes these shit takes he has even that much more incredulous. Don't believe the hype he watches more than Lebron fans do.

[Roundball_Rock]

Oh nah, he been lying his ass off, he doesn't miss a second of Lebron's life.....which makes these shit takes he has even that much more incredulous. Don't believe the hype he watches more than Lebron fans do.

That wouldn't surprise me either. :lol

It reminds me of a guy on a racing forum I posted on who would always claim that he stopped watching but each week would magically catch every key moment of the entire race--"flipping through the channels" of course. :oldlol:

[3ball]

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Lebron-Ball 101


Historically, lebron starts at SF, but then he becomes a 2nd point guard once the game starts - these 2 point guard lineups give teammates less time with the ball and assists then they get in traditional 1-PG lineups.. lower teammate assists results in low TEAM assists and a weak ball movement brand that gets massively out-assisted in the championship..

Ultimately, Lebron's ball-dominance turns teammates into highly-assisted play-finishers, which doesn't develop teammates, thus requiring ready-made stars acquired via team-hopping/colluding/cheating

^^^ these are all statistical or historical facts... Again, this is literally the dumbest way to play.. lebron's 2 point guard approach has been a massive hemorrhage for all his teams (hampering brand), thus requiring extra talent (team-hopping) to win..

Ultimately, the forward position is a normally high-assisted position... Lebron turns it into a low-assisted position, thereby lowering the assist capacity of the team (low assist teams)

It's super-duper dumb... AAU shit in the NBA

[FromDowntown]

He is one of the greatest passers and greatest in basketball IQ--yet 1-9ball wants to double him so he can kill defenses with his passing? :lol

He wants LeBron to hold the ball less :lol Imagine the 2018 Cavs taking the ball out of LeBron's hands and putting into...J.R. Smiths? Jeff Green's? :lol


These are the low IQ takes we get from 3brain cell. He wants to limit the amount of time the ball is in the best passer and highest BBIQ player in history, so that J.R. Smith gets to hold the ball for more time. I've read it all. I thought 3ball knew at least a little bit about ball. I think I was wrong :(

[FromDowntown]

3-brain cell

Ok guys, we're gonna take the ball out of the best playmaker's hand with highest Basketball IQ in probably league history.

Question: Have you ever thought that LeBron holds the ball longer...because he can? MJ wasn't the passer LBJ is, and Magic wasn't the scorer. LBJ is both.

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[tpols]

The style may be sup optimal, but you can't say he isn't smart at basketball. Guy makes perfect reads over and over. Not everybody can fit the mold you want. There's never been a player this dominant with this much mileage on his legs. Even Wilt and Shaq started to break down after a while, while Lebron is still out athlete'ing everybody. And doesn't make any type of "bone head" mistakes. His longevity is really showing his impact. Most guys are washed up at this point, and he's still going pretty strong.

[sdot_thadon]

That wouldn't surprise me either. :lol

It reminds me of a guy on a racing forum I posted on who would always claim that he stopped watching but each week would magically catch every key moment of the entire race--"flipping through the channels" of course. :oldlol:
Yup, something I refer to as the Mayweather effect. Not because he's the only or 1st guy to receive that type of attention but because he's the 1st I recognized. So a guy is successful enough to have stans, not just that but soo successful that he has negative stans, guys who hate him so much they spend just as much if not more time and energy on the subject as it's most ardent fans.... They buy and watch all his fights because they want so badly to witness his failure, indirectly helping him succeed financially ironically lol. These guys don't even realize they feed the infamy of the subject by keeping them trending on social media and their google hits high. Unknowingly feeding the popularity that leads to the goat debates that repulse them and so forth....

[BigKobeFan]

Bro stfu spouting that ESPN bullshit

Lebron is NOT a smart basketball player..

He employs the simplest and most losing brand of basketball - ball-domination.. its an aau or playground brand of ball.. consequently, he fields low-assist teams that get destroyed in the championship.. lebron gets 13 assists, while the team has 16 and gets massively out-assisted in the championship.. that's NOT smart basketball bro, and it requires extra talent to win and offset the weak ball movement.

So he doesn't play smart, and therefore loses to teams that he should be beating - teams he was favored or even money against (09', 10', 11', 14').. and he had enough help in 17' - there's no excuse to not win or at least be competitive with Kyrie, Love and tons of vets

He underachieves his supporting talent because he employs a dumb, losing brand.. he literally holds the ball 12 minutes per game and people wonder why he's 3/9 in the championship... :facepalm:.. people (like you) are amazingly dumb about the game and think that a losing brand is infact "smart" and a genius way to play.. it's literally the DUMBEST way anyone can play

And why can't lebron have high-assist teams that play a great brand? It's due to a SKILL DEFICIT... Lebron can't shoot and lacks an assisted skillset (off-ball feetwork and shooting touch).. so lebron is a big dude, but he's dumb, lacks key skills and is easily beatable like Goliath

dribble dribble dribble, pick, pass to the left corner. High IQ play

[3ball]

3-brain cell

Ok guys, we're gonna take the ball out of the best playmaker's hand with highest Basketball IQ in probably league history.

Question: Have you ever thought that LeBron holds the ball longer...because he can? MJ wasn't the passer LBJ is, and Magic wasn't the scorer. LBJ is both.

https://media.giphy.com/media/d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY/giphy.gif

So why not start at PG his entire career, instead of a 2-PG approach that gives teammates less time and assists then they get in 1-PG lineups.. less teammate assists results in low TEAM assists and a weak brand that struggles on the championship level

lebron's 2 point guard approach has been a massive hemorrhage for all his teams (hampering brand), thus requiring extra talent (team-hopping) to win..

Ultimately, the forward position is a normally high-assisted position... Lebron turns it into a low-assisted position, thereby lowering the assist capacity of the team (low assist teams)... That's dumb, not.smart

[Roundball_Rock]

3-brain cell

Ok guys, we're gonna take the ball out of the best playmaker's hand with highest Basketball IQ in probably league history.

Question: Have you ever thought that LeBron holds the ball longer...because he can? MJ wasn't the passer LBJ is, and Magic wasn't the scorer. LBJ is both.

https://media.giphy.com/media/d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY/giphy.gif

:lol


Yup, something I refer to as the Mayweather effect. Not because he's the only or 1st guy to receive that type of attention but because he's the 1st I recognized. So a guy is successful enough to have stans, not just that but soo successful that he has negative stans, guys who hate him so much they spend just as much if not more time and energy on the subject as it's most ardent fans.... They buy and watch all his fights because they want so badly to witness his failure, indirectly helping him succeed financially ironically lol. These guys don't even realize they feed the infamy of the subject by keeping them trending on social media and their google hits high. Unknowingly feeding the popularity that leads to the goat debates that repulse them and so forth....

Good points. Yeah, the GOAT debate that dominates ESPN, FS1, social media, sites like ISH, podcasts, etc. wouldn't exist if it weren't two sided. If it was just the LeBron side pushing him and MJ side ignoring LeBron as an unworthy challenger it wouldn't be the #1 debate in sports these day but they obsess over LeBron because they are terrified of him and insecure about MJ (e.g., that LeBron has won a chip and made 5 finals without Wade while MJ did nothing without Pippen).

[3ball]

The style may be sup optimal, but you can't say he isn't smart at basketball. Guy makes perfect reads over and over. Not everybody can fit the mold you want. There's never been a player this dominant with this much mileage on his legs. Even Wilt and Shaq started to break down after a while, while Lebron is still out athlete'ing everybody. And doesn't make any type of "bone head" mistakes. His longevity is really showing his impact. Most guys are washed up at this point, and he's still going pretty strong.

Lebron makes good reads

But Nash, cp3 or even mark jackson made better reads

His passing and assist averages aren't anywhere NEAR all-time among point guards

He has a John Wall skillset that looks kinda cool because he's 6'8".. but I wouldn't conflate this talent with being smart about the game

If he was so smart, he'd form a great brand dynasty and win all the time

And he wouldn't need a 3rd star scorer (which ONLY he had... Dray isn't a scorer and Manu wasn't a star one and old)

[sdot_thadon]

3-brain cell

Ok guys, we're gonna take the ball out of the best playmaker's hand with highest Basketball IQ in probably league history.

Question: Have you ever thought that LeBron holds the ball longer...because he can? MJ wasn't the passer LBJ is, and Magic wasn't the scorer. LBJ is both.

https://media.giphy.com/media/d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY/giphy.gif

Well damn lol.

[sdot_thadon]

Good points. Yeah, the GOAT debate that dominates ESPN, FS1, social media, sites like ISH, podcasts, etc. wouldn't exist if it weren't two sided. If it was just the LeBron side pushing him and MJ side ignoring LeBron as an unworthy challenger it wouldn't be the #1 debate in sports these day but they obsess over LeBron because they are terrified of him and insecure about MJ (e.g., that LeBron has won a chip and made 5 finals without Wade while MJ did nothing without Pippen).
Pretty much, guys like 3ball feed their own misery. A never ending cycle.

[Roundball_Rock]

Pretty much, guys like 3ball feed their own misery. A never ending cycle.

Can you imagine their reaction if the Lakers win the chip? :lol

[3ball]

Well damn lol.

Lebron is an inferior scorer to mj and an inferior passer to magic

Bird was an equal scorer, passer, rebounder, and leader.. better actually

And much smarter about basketball - Bird was the smartest player with the ball by far, but he understood that he couldn't monopolize it

Lebron has an entirely inferior skillset, where he MUST dominate the ball and sacrifice strategy/teamwork to get his stats.. he sucks

[sdot_thadon]

Lebron is an inferior scorer to mj and an inferior passer to magic

Bird was an equal scorer, passer, rebounder, and leader.. better actually

And much smarter about basketball - Bird was the smartest player with the ball by far, but he understood that he couldn't monopolize it

Lebron has an entirely inferior skillset, where he MUST dominate the ball and sacrifice strategy/teamwork to get his stats.. he sucks

......or Lebron has such a robust skillset that you really want the ball in his hands in nearly any scenario. Not to mention it's worked pretty well even if you are a hater.

[aj1987]

Bro stfu spouting that ESPN bullshit

Lebron is NOT a smart basketball player..

He employs the simplest and most losing brand of basketball - ball-domination.. its an aau or playground brand of ball.. consequently, he fields low-assist teams that get destroyed in the championship.. lebron gets 13 assists, while the team has 16 and gets massively out-assisted in the championship.. that's NOT smart basketball bro, and it requires extra talent to win and offset the weak ball movement.

So he doesn't play smart, and therefore loses to teams that he should be beating - teams he was favored or even money against (09', 10', 11', 14').. and he had enough help in 17' - there's no excuse to not win or at least be competitive with Kyrie, Love and tons of vets

He underachieves his supporting talent because he employs a dumb, losing brand.. he literally holds the ball 12 minutes per game and people wonder why he's 3/9 in the championship... :facepalm:.. people (like you) are amazingly dumb about the game and think that a losing brand is infact "smart" and a genius way to play.. it's literally the DUMBEST way anyone can play

And why can't lebron have high-assist teams that play a great brand? It's due to a SKILL DEFICIT... Lebron can't shoot and lacks an assisted skillset (off-ball feetwork and shooting touch).. so lebron is a big dude, but he's dumb, lacks key skills and is easily beatable like Goliath


Are you upset that LeBron has significantly higher basketball IQ than Ordan?

[Roundball_Rock]

......or Lebron has such a robust skillset that you really want the ball in his hands in nearly any scenario. Not to mention it's worked pretty well even if you are a hater.

Yup. Who rivals his combination of elite scoring and elite playmaking among top ATG's? Bird may be it.

[3ball]

......or Lebron has such a robust skillset that you really want the ball in his hands in nearly any scenario. Not to mention it's worked pretty well even if you are a hater.

0*/9 disproves your theory

His brand DOESN'T result in the best teams or offenses, regardless of cast.. so that proves it isn't best to let him make the plays

Obviously, Jordan's higher production rate (higher BPM, PER, WS/48, VORP seasons, PPG) while employing a winning brand isn't just better than lebron - it's dimensions better - lebron is nowhere near (inferior production rate AND brand)

[sdot_thadon]

0*/9 disproves your theory

His brand DOESN'T result in the best teams or offenses, regardless of cast.. so that proves it isn't best to let him make the plays

Obviously, Jordan's higher production rate (higher BPM, PER, WS/48, VORP seasons, PPG) while employing a winning brand isn't just better than lebron - it's dimensions better - lebron is nowhere near (inferior production rate AND brand)

And i suppose by that same token we're playing 1-9 proves the theory that Mj wasn't so great without Scottie then right? I mean context be damned lol.

[Roundball_Rock]

His "brand" results in success no matter the team, no matter the coach, no matter the GM, no matter the "cast" around him. Isn't this what triggers your insecurity? All of MJ's success came with the same coach, same superstar teammate, same GM, same franchise, etc. LeBron wouldn't retire if Wade and Spo left--he would find a way to win without them.

[3ball]

His "brand" results in success no matter the team, no matter the coach, no matter the GM, no matter the "cast" around him. Isn't this what triggers your insecurity? All of MJ's success came with the same coach, same superstar teammate, same GM, same franchise, etc. LeBron wouldn't retire if Wade and Spo left--he would find a way to win without them.

You don't get it... Lebron underachieved with his super-teams - he didn't do well and many guys would've done much better in his place

And before the super-teams, he was AI in 2007, and Giannis from 08-10"

aka an overrated, cheating fraud... Anything else?

[3ball]

His "brand" results in success no matter the team, no matter the coach, no matter the GM, no matter the "cast" around him. Isn't this what triggers your insecurity? All of MJ's success came with the same coach, same superstar teammate, same GM, same franchise, etc. He would find a way to win without them.





Lebron joined Miami after Wade/Bosh were already stars (no rookie Pippen at 7 ppg)

And he got a brand new cast of prime stars once Wade and Bosh's prime expired (no aging pippen for 2nd three-peat)

Twice in Lebron's career, he landed on teams favored to win it all in Year 1 (11', 15') - that's the easiest path possible and nothing compared to building favorite status over several years

And yes, his team got injured in 15', but the initial favorite status shows that Kyrie/Love was considered more talent than Klay/Dray

[SATAN]

3brain cell(


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[Smoke117]

Seeing the title of this thread and who it was from honestly made me bust up laughing. "LeBron avoids contested Jumpers"...so he does what you are supposed to do? The absolute idiocy of this buffoon insinuating LeBron is lesser because he tries to make the right play instead of shoot contested jumpers is just hilarious.

[Smoke117]

It's better to score 20 more than everyone - that wins more, 6/6

And Jordan led the bulls in everything in 97' playoffs

No he didn't. Rodman led the team in rebounds and Pippen in blocks.

[tontoz]

So Lebron avoids taking contested jumpers and somehow this is a bad thing?

[Roundball_Rock]

Seeing the title of this thread and who it was from honestly made me bust up laughing. "LeBron avoids contested Jumpers"...so he does what you are supposed to do? The absolute idiocy of this buffoon insinuating LeBron is lesser because he tries to make the right play instead of shoot contested jumpers is just hilarious.

:lol

[NBAGOAT]

what 3ball doesnt really get is no one is good enough at contested jumpers to constantly attract doubles besides harden who's "cheating" by taking only 3's. add on teams do double because his team isnt great at shooting. he shoots a higher % than his team on pretty much 90% contested 3's while his team are mostly taking open ones :lol

[Roundball_Rock]

what 3ball doesnt really get is no one is good enough at contested jumpers to constantly attract doubles besides harden who's "cheating" by taking only 3's.

He says he hasn't watched a game since 2011 so he is talking about players who he has never seen play or guys like LeBron who he hasn't watched in a decade.

[Vino24]

Op doesn’t understand basic basketball. Lol

[3ball]

He says he hasn't watched a game since 2011 so he is talking about players who he has never seen play or guys like LeBron who he hasn't watched in a decade.

The stats tell the story

Wade, Kyrie, Love Bosh and Mo all saw their assists crater alongside lebron (less playmaking), while their assisted rate increased (play-finishing)

^^^ that's statistical fact - lebron craters teammate assists, which lowers the TEAM'S assists and limits strategy/ball movement/teamwork

Ultimately, his style of turning teammates into play-finishers doesn't develop young players (Ingram, Hughes), and therefore needs ready-made stars acquired via cheating/team-hopping.

All facts.. and again, it starts with a SKILL-deficit, aka lebron's lack of assisted skillset/footwork and shooting, so he must employ a simple ball-dominant brand that requires extra talent and still gets shellacked on the championship level

[LAL]

It's obvious, bronsexuals have nothing to say, just insults. Everything you wrote is true, and no one's asking of him to move off ball and take as many jumpers as kobe, kd, mj or kawhi. Just a little more aggression, less passing up of 50% chance type shots, instead of only going for the 90% chance type baskets...while absolutely hogging the ball. He's good but incredibly overrated.. but since you guys put him on MJ level, it's not right, but if you insist, we'll judge him according to his fans and media's claims. Bronsexuals need to accept the legit critisism. Impact means getting the job done. And no ring chasing in your prime would have been nice too, because that's like hiding how much impact you had getting the job done with a superteam coasting trough the playoffs. 3ball is right and it's the reason why he's in his 17th season trying to tie Shaq's ring count. 17 prime healthy years.

[SATAN]

I'm a ****ing moron.

We know.

[GimmeThat]

It's obvious, bronsexuals have nothing to say, just insults. Everything you wrote is true, and no one's asking of him to move off ball and take as many jumpers as kobe, kd, mj or kawhi. Just a little more aggression, less passing up of 50% chance type shots, instead of only going for the 90% chance type baskets...while absolutely hogging the ball. He's good but incredibly overrated.. but since you guys put him on MJ level, it's not right, but if you insist, we'll judge him according to his fans and media's claims. Bronsexuals need to accept the legit critisism. Impact means getting the job done. And no ring chasing in your prime would have been nice too, because that's like hiding how much impact you had getting the job done with a superteam coasting trough the playoffs. 3ball is right and it's the reason why he's in his 17th season trying to tie Shaq's ring count. 17 prime healthy years.

so you describe Lebron James as Stephen Curry, only Lebron actually has FMVPs. because people keep on praising Scottie Pippen for MJ's 6 FMVP. only Iguodala played more like Pippen as Curry played like Jordan and had gotten him a FMVP.

but somehow when Durant was on the team with Curry/Iguodala, he played like Jordan and had gotten those FMVPs.

footnote for those who's slow, the Heat beat the Thunders back in 2012

therefore Scottie Pippen played exactly like Michael Jordan

[72-10]

:oldlol:

Why the guffaw? Vandeweghe put up pretty good point productivity, though I wouldn't say it's better than LeBron's, and despite his appalling lack of defense. Vandeweghe put up 25 points per game in the playoffs in the 80s.

[72-10]

as page 4 critiques, LeBron's superior dribble drive lane penetration and kickouts gives his teammates high quality looks at the basket

[Turbo Slayer]

as page 4 critiques, LeBron's superior dribble drive lane penetration and kickouts gives his teammates high quality looks at the basket This. LeBron makes things easy for his teammates. All you gotta do is hit shots. Good points.

[3ball]

as page 4 critiques, LeBron's superior dribble drive lane penetration and kickouts gives his teammates high quality looks at the basket

^^^ you think that's maximizing teammates????... Turning them into simple, predictable play-finishers?.. imagine turning Jimmy Butler into a simple play-finisher and thinking this was "elevating" him...

You think it's optimal to have 1 guy dribble and 4 guys spotting up?.. that's literally the simplest way anyone can play, and easy to beat...

Ultimately, Lebron's skill restriction to ball-domination prevents good strategy, which is why he never has a #1 offense despite gobs of offensive supporting talent, and also gets killed on the championship level

[CelticBaller]

"LeBron shoots good shots"

[Turbo Slayer]

"LeBron shoots good shots"
This title is more appropriate.

[Turbo Slayer]

^^^ you think that's maximizing teammates????... Turning them into simple, predictable play-finishers?.. imagine turning Jimmy Butler into a simple play-finisher and thinking this was "elevating" him...

You think it's optimal to have 1 guy dribble and 4 guys spotting up?.. that's literally the simplest way anyone can play, and easy to beat...

Ultimately, Lebron's skill restriction to ball-domination prevents good strategy, which is why he never has a #1 offense despite gobs of offensive supporting talent, and also gets killed on the championship level The Cavs had by far the best offensive rating in the POs in 2017 beating out GSW who had 2 of the greatest shooters who plays primarily off ball and KD who was a top 7 player. I would say Bron ball works pretty damn well.

[3ball]

The Cavs had by far the best offensive rating in the POs in 2017 beating out GSW who had 2 of the greatest shooters who plays primarily off ball and KD who was a top 7 player. I would say Bron ball works pretty damn well.

Playoff ortg means nothing because the Warriors didn't get to run it up against DeRozan's raptors.. since teams don't play the same comp in the playoffs, the regular season ortg is the appropriate guage for ortg... Ultimately, lebron IQ doesn't equal a #1 offense or teams that do well on the championship level

[72-10]

I'd say that LeBron is so good at creating better scoring opportunities for his teammates, especially in the face of adversity, that it's almost better that he do that than shoot it himself - almost.

[3ball]

I'd say that LeBron is so good at creating better scoring opportunities for his teammates, especially in the face of adversity, that it's almost better that he do that than shoot it himself - almost.

lebron IQ doesn't equal a #1 offense or teams that do well on the championship level

Unfortunately, he lacks the assisted skillset needed to CLOSE possessions.. he tries to hard to initiate and pass, when you control a possession most by CLOSING a possession.. let your teammates do the dribbling.. dribbling is easy... Anyone can do that.. lebron is redundant, so his teams can't play to capacity

[Roundball_Rock]

This. LeBron makes things easy for his teammates. All you gotta do is hit shots. Good points.

LeBron fans: "LeBron made his teammates better."
Jordan fans: "Jordan's teammates sucked."

It seems MJ stans themselves argue MJ ball doesn't make his teammates productive.

[light]

Newsflash: LeBron avoids bad shots

[LAL]

Newsflash: LeBron avoids bad shots

Why dump it to teammates who take all the jumpshots (bad shots?) that lebron doesn't want to take?