2003 Duncan vs 2019 Kawhi in the playoffs.

[Carbine]

I made this thread specifically for The HeartBreak Kid Shaun Michaels.

[SouBeachTalents]

'03 Duncan pretty easily

[Gray GOAT]

Duncan shits on that run in every way imaginable.

[Turbo Slayer]

2003 Duncan.

[BigtimeNBAFan]

Duncan absolutely carried that Spurs team. Put up 24/17/3 and also led the Spurs in assists during that run. He was awesome on both sides of the ball. Tim Duncan is a very underrated player despite being highly rated. People always compare Kobe and Lebron as far as the best player post-MJ and completely forget Duncan.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi because he had to beat the super team of Butler/Embiid/Simmons by himself. Giannis was down 0-3 vs Butler/Bam/Dragic the poor man's version of 76ers big 3 that Kawhi faced. Plus Kawhi had to beat the Curry/Draymond which is arguably the best duo of 2015-2019.

Duncan had an easy path by facing 1 man nets team in finals, mavs without Dirk for majority of series, and the Lakers win was nice but a fluke because Duncan lost to them the very next year in a poor performance. Manu was also already having the impact of an all-star but just limited minutes, spurs net rating had a massive decline when Manu was off the court. I would say Manu was already a better player then Siakam.

Overall for scoring efficiency and volume, defense, competition of teams faced. Its kawhi Leonard.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kawhi because he had to beat the super team of Butler/Embiid/Simmons by himself. Giannis was down 0-3 vs Butler/Bam/Dragic the poor man's version of 76ers big 3 that Kawhi faced. Plus Kawhi had to beat the Curry/Draymond which is arguably the best duo of 2015-2019.

Duncan had an easy path by facing 1 man nets team in finals, mavs without Dirk for majority of series, and the Lakers win was nice but a fluke because Duncan lost to them the very next year in a poor performance. Manu was also already having the impact of an all-star but just limited minutes, spurs net rating had a massive decline when Manu was off the court. I would say Manu was already a better player then Siakam.

Overall for scoring efficiency and volume, defense, competition of teams faced. Its kawhi Leonard.
Shut the fck up :oldlol:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Shut the fck up :oldlol:

Its the perfect combination with offense/defense, synergy, Draymond's passing and how he knows to set up Curry a lot better then Klay does. Curry/Draymond also don't hate each other's guts like 2003 Shaq/Kobe.

[r0drig0lac]

joke thread

[rmt]

Kawhi because he had to beat the super team of Butler/Embiid/Simmons by himself. Giannis was down 0-3 vs Butler/Bam/Dragic the poor man's version of 76ers big 3 that Kawhi faced. Plus Kawhi had to beat the Curry/Draymond which is arguably the best duo of 2015-2019.

Duncan had an easy path by facing 1 man nets team in finals, mavs without Dirk for majority of series, and the Lakers win was nice but a fluke because Duncan lost to them the very next year in a poor performance. Manu was also already having the impact of an all-star but just limited minutes, spurs net rating had a massive decline when Manu was off the court. I would say Manu was already a better player then Siakam.

Overall for scoring efficiency and volume, defense, competition of teams faced. Its kawhi Leonard.


2 time defending champion, Shaq and Kobe - fluke/chopped liver according to you

Duncan vs Lakers
28 pts 11.8 rebs 4.8 asst 1.3 blk 52.9%FG


2003 Duncan 24.7 pts 15.4 rebs 5.3 asst 0.6 stl 3.3 blks 52.9%FG
2020 Leonard 29.1 pts 9.7 rebs 5.3 asst 2.1 stl 0.8 blks 52.2%FG

George 20.4 pts 6.7 rebs 3.9 asst 1.2 stl
Parker 14.7 pts 2.8 rebs 3.5 asst 0.9 stl

Lou Williams 14.3 pt 3.7 rebs 4.4 asst 0.7 stl
Stephen Jackson 12.8 pts 4.1 rebs 2.7 asst 1.4 stl

Marcus Morris 13.1 pts 5.1 rebs 1.9 asst 1.1 stl
Manu 9.4 pts 3.8 rebs 2.9 asst 1.7 stl - "impact of an all-star"

Zubac 10.4 pts 6.8 rebs 0.7 asst 0.7 blks
Malik Rose 9.3 pts 5.8 rebs 1 asst 0.7 stl

Harrell 10 pts 3.2 rebs 0.6 stl 0.7 blks
DRob 7.8 pts 6.6 rebs 0.9 asst 1 blk

Edit: Sorry, posted 2020 playoffs. No time now to put 2019 playoffs.

[Akeem34TheDream]

Kawhi is the heir of Tim Duncan. Not much talking a lot of winning.

[Turbo Slayer]

Kawhi because he had to beat the super team of Butler/Embiid/Simmons by himself. Giannis was down 0-3 vs Butler/Bam/Dragic the poor man's version of 76ers big 3 that Kawhi faced. Plus Kawhi had to beat the Curry/Draymond which is arguably the best duo of 2015-2019.

Duncan had an easy path by facing 1 man nets team in finals, mavs without Dirk for majority of series, and the Lakers win was nice but a fluke because Duncan lost to them the very next year in a poor performance. Manu was also already having the impact of an all-star but just limited minutes, spurs net rating had a massive decline when Manu was off the court. I would say Manu was already a better player then Siakam.

Overall for scoring efficiency and volume, defense, competition of teams faced. Its kawhi Leonard. First sentence... Yeah ... No. The 76ers were not a superteam. Also Kawhi did not beat the 76ers by himself. It's a team game.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

2 time defending champion, Shaq and Kobe - fluke/chopped liver according to you

Duncan vs Lakers
28 pts 11.8 rebs 4.8 asst 1.3 blk 52.9%FG


2003 Duncan 24.7 pts 15.4 rebs 5.3 asst 0.6 stl 3.3 blks 52.9%FG
2020 Leonard 29.1 pts 9.7 rebs 5.3 asst 2.1 stl 0.8 blks 52.2%FG

George 20.4 pts 6.7 rebs 3.9 asst 1.2 stl
Parker 14.7 pts 2.8 rebs 3.5 asst 0.9 stl

Lou Williams 14.3 pt 3.7 rebs 4.4 asst 0.7 stl
Stephen Jackson 12.8 pts 4.1 rebs 2.7 asst 1.4 stl

Marcus Morris 13.1 pts 5.1 rebs 1.9 asst 1.1 stl
Manu 9.4 pts 3.8 rebs 2.9 asst 1.7 stl - "impact of an all-star"

Zubac 10.4 pts 6.8 rebs 0.7 asst 0.7 blks
Malik Rose 9.3 pts 5.8 rebs 1 asst 0.7 stl

Harrell 10 pts 3.2 rebs 0.6 stl 0.7 blks
DRob 7.8 pts 6.6 rebs 0.9 asst 1 blk

Edit: Sorry, posted 2020 playoffs. No time now to put 2019 playoffs.


Duncan/Manu were +21.9

Duncan/Jackson were +6.8

Duncan/Robinson were +5.4

You don't see the massive gap in those 2 man lineups? That's all-star level impact.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

First sentence... Yeah ... No. The 76ers were not a superteam. Also Kawhi did not beat the 76ers by himself. It's a team game.

Butler just outplayed the 2 time MVP and led his team to a 3-1 series lead. Pair that with arguably the best big man in Embiid and arguably the best wing defender in Ben Simmons? That's a clear cut super team and the best team that Butler ever played on.

Kawhi also had 34PPG on 53% FG and had 7 teammates that shot under 45% FG

[DMAVS41]

Not even close.

The Raptors without Leonard are a near 60 win team capable of making the conference finals without him. The Spurs in 03 likely miss the playoffs without Duncan. They sucked without him on the court all year.

[Whoah10115]

At least two ">"s in Duncan's favor.

Nah, three.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Not even close.

The Raptors without Leonard are a near 60 win team capable of making the conference finals without him. The Spurs in 03 likely miss the playoffs without Duncan. They sucked without him on the court all year.

2000s Spurs sucked in playoffs before Manu came along. Tim Duncan in the 2000s actually has a similar thing going on with Jordan/Pippen 1-9 stuff.

Spurs pre manu in 2000s vs prime Shaq/Kobe: 1-8 record

So it looks like Duncan was Ben Stiller and Manu was Jennifer Aniston huh? Along came Manu.

[DMAVS41]

2000s Spurs sucked in playoffs before Manu came along. Tim Duncan in the 2000s actually has a similar thing going on with Jordan/Pippen 1-9 stuff.

Spurs pre manu in 2000s vs prime Shaq/Kobe: 1-8 record

So it looks like Duncan was Ben Stiller and Manu was Jennifer Aniston huh? Along came Manu.

What the hell are you even talking about?

Duncan swept Shaq/Kobe in 99 en route to the title...Manu didn't play.

Also, while Manu was decent in 03...he wasn't close to as good as he would become.

Terrible take...if they were so good...they wouldn't have been destroyed without Duncan on the court all year. Again, this isn't some loaded cast like Leonard had...where his help can win 60 without him...and has a +3.2 net rating without him.

The 03 Spurs had a -5.6 net rating without Duncan...meaning the Raptors were nearly 9 points better per 100 possessions without Leonard than the Spurs were without Duncan....

Again, the help isn't comparable. Learn your history.

[RRR3]

That psycho HBK legit thinks Kawhi is better than any player ever :roll:

[Axe]

Kawhi because he had to beat the super team of Butler/Embiid/Simmons by himself. Giannis was down 0-3 vs Butler/Bam/Dragic the poor man's version of 76ers big 3 that Kawhi faced. Plus Kawhi had to beat the Curry/Draymond which is arguably the best duo of 2015-2019.

Duncan had an easy path by facing 1 man nets team in finals, mavs without Dirk for majority of series, and the Lakers win was nice but a fluke because Duncan lost to them the very next year in a poor performance. Manu was also already having the impact of an all-star but just limited minutes, spurs net rating had a massive decline when Manu was off the court. I would say Manu was already a better player then Siakam.

Overall for scoring efficiency and volume, defense, competition of teams faced. Its kawhi Leonard.
Yeah, a sixers team without any 60-win seasons en route to the first seed during the last decade nor any ecf appearances, let alone b2b finals trips during that period is considered a 'superteam' w/o a doubt.

Thanks for giving us that kind of insight, pal.

[Axe]

Hbk also seems to forget the fact that duncan has 3 fmvps compared to kawhi's 2.

[Nike D'Antoni]

Tim Duncan, ask Lebron James he would tell you the same answer.