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Kblaze8855
09-08-2020, 04:14 PM
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Giants.


The greatest fear of the games first coach and original “This isn’t basketball!” old man yelling at clouds. Phog Allen. The guy who convinced Dr.Naismith that basketball needed coaches...and became the first one. You see....Phog was a defensive minded coach who had a motto of “Hold em in the teens” but that got harder and harder when teams realized that being huge made it easy to score.

In the 1936 olympics an American team with two 6’7” centers dominated so much that there were international demands for a 6’2” maximum height for basketball because tall freaks had no skill.

Phog agreed in principle but wanted to fix the problem another way. He agreed that the giants had no skill. That athletic advantages shouldn’t be a deciding factor. This was his opinion in an article he wrote and titled “Dunking isn’t basketball”



"Those tall fellows were leaping at the ten-foot baskets and were literally 'dunking' the ball into the hoop, just as a doughnut is inelegantly dipped into the morning coffee," he wrote. "And I say that is not basketball. My conception of the game is that goals should be shot and not dunked."



Others agreed but....what could you do? His idea was to raise the basket to 12 feet. Problem is....some people could still dunk on it. Wilt Chamberlain for one. Phog felt wilts freakish athleticism should have been all he needed he get people on HIS side. He was mad he couldn’t stick around to coach him(he was forced to retire when Wilt got to Kansas where Phog coached). He said he was gonna use Wilt to shove the issue down the rules committees throat....presumably by just having him dunk every time and make it a mockery. Anyway....as scoring with bigs became easier you got shit like this:



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One comment from it(From HOF guard and GOAT shooter of the time Bill Sharman):

"A basket has become so cheap nowadays that the fans have nothing left to cheer about,"


Guys were too athletic. Too big. It wasn’t basketball anymore. You got lots of rule changes. Wilt being able to dunk from the ft line is why you aren’t allowed a running start for a free throw(he didn’t even do it in games...they just saw that he could).

I read a Vice article on them proposing something like the modern restricted circle where shots would only be worth one point. I suppose that would have made midrange shooters the old school 3 point shooters.


The parallels with the modern dislike of the 3 pointer is funny to me.


Is it possible that in 100 years all of us are looked at like backwards Phog Allen’s mad at how “easy” the game became as it changed?

Though it must be said....Phog won in the end.

They altered the rules and approach enough to take the game back from the bigs. It took 100 years...and he’d probably hate that scoring got so easy in the process...but that old hater and his converts managed to get the freak goal tenders(what they called big guys at the time) out.


“You can’t teach height” is no longer a factor. Now the question is “Can that Groot looking creature move his feet enough to guard a wing?” If he can’t he can get his ass back to the 70s and off my roster.

Kblaze8855
09-08-2020, 04:21 PM
From the Vice article I mentioned:


Height had made such a mockery of the game that some coaches were resorting to counter-mockery. Nobody listened to his suggestion to raise the hoop to 14 feet—no, really—so for one game in 1955, Los Angeles State coach Sax Elliott had his team wear lifts, adding as much as six inches of height. The opposing coach, Utah's Jack Gardner, agreed the sport had gotten "boring." "Basketball fans get more enjoyment from watching a five-man game," rather than just a relentless effort to feed the big man, he told the New York Times the following year.



People were already doing the “Ain’t nobody comin to see you post up Otis!” shit 70 years ago.

They really couldn’t enjoy the bigs but couldn’t stop playing them because they would lose. Probably like coaches now and 3 pointers. Might not like seeing so many of them....but they don’t have a choice.

warriorfan
09-08-2020, 04:34 PM
The guy in the first picture...Wow. I believe with that condition most of the giant (bigger than shaq) giants have the condition where their body never stops growing. You can see his knees and how deformed they look. It looks like he’s wearing knee pads. Did his knee bones just keep growing until they were completely inoperable? That must been unbelievable pain.

Shaq could give a lot of these giants a run for their money though. He’s almost more amazing in a way because to our knowledge he never had any of those gland disorders.

highwhey
09-08-2020, 04:39 PM
The guy in the first picture...Wow. I believe with that condition most of the giant (bigger than shaq) giants have the condition where their body never stops growing. You can see his knees and how deformed they look. It looks like he’s wearing knee pads. Did his knee bones just keep growing until they were completely inoperable? That must been unbelievable pain.

Shaq could give a lot of these giants a run for their money though. He’s almost more amazing in a way because to our knowledge he never had any of those gland disorders.

did you intend to post this from your walk on water account?

Kblaze8855
09-08-2020, 04:45 PM
Yea he couldn’t walk at the end. Most can’t. Robert Wadlow was surprisingly mobile to be 9 feet tall. He was walking till a couple days before he died of an infection from one of his knee braces(at age 22).


And yea Shaq is near the top of the true giant list. I think the biggest non medical condition players are Yao, Mark Eaton, and a barely remembered guy named Priest Lauderdale. That guy was like 7’5” 380 but looked normal. Just an huge ass guy.

You know the gland condition guys have to envy that even the ones like Boban or Muresan who are healthy and Mobile.


You’re creaking around meanwhile this guy is almost your height but moving like a normal person:


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Giant height but normal coordination? Ralph Sampson and evening guys like Rik Smits have to be 1 in a billion.

warriorfan
09-08-2020, 05:02 PM
One billion and one sounds about right. Not to long ago I saw an article about Shawn Bradley that explained his freakish height. He had a tall family but nothing close to 7 feet from what I recall. They had a geneticist analyze his genes and explained that they have found hundreds to thousands of different genes that effect how tall someone is. It’s not just one gene deciding if someone is tall or short. Well in every one of the many gene categories he hit the top percentile of every single one unsurprisingly enough. But to put it all into perspective it was the equivalent of someone going into a casino and doing a 100 way parlay and cashing out. One in a billion type of stuff. Interesting article.

Kblaze8855
09-08-2020, 05:13 PM
I always assumed Bradley had a condition just off his jaw shape but maybe not. Some are just random. But then you have some like Manute Bol who had a grandfather taller than him and a 7’3” son.

Clifton
09-08-2020, 06:50 PM
If there were no 3s and the basket were 12 feet, what would the 'hack' become?

Off ball movement, speed?

Or would the Kobe, DeRozan game be better? Being able to control the tempo and get the tough shot you want might become the most important thing, since with no 3s and no layups there are no easy shots.

tpols
09-08-2020, 06:53 PM
Phog Allen. :lol

My guy.

He sounds like an Al Capone era enforcer.

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Kblaze8855
09-09-2020, 01:33 AM
If there were no 3s and the basket were 12 feet, what would the 'hack' become?

Off ball movement, speed?

Or would the Kobe, DeRozan game be better? Being able to control the tempo and get the tough shot you want might become the most important thing, since with no 3s and no layups there are no easy shots.


Midrange would be key but there would still be layups. Floaters would be mastered overnight by some of these guys.

ralph_i_el
09-09-2020, 03:14 PM
If there were no 3s and the basket were 12 feet, what would the 'hack' become?

Off ball movement, speed?

Or would the Kobe, DeRozan game be better? Being able to control the tempo and get the tough shot you want might become the most important thing, since with no 3s and no layups there are no easy shots.

Chris Paul becomes the GOAT

Kblaze8855
07-20-2022, 09:53 AM
I was reminded of this watching clips of victor wembanyama doing double crossovers into pull-ups and reading comments that beings like him weren’t meant to exist. I wonder what Phog would think of the skilled and mobile giants we have now.

FKAri
07-20-2022, 10:33 AM
Tall freaks with no skill still plague the game to this day. Oh well. It can't be perfect.

FultzNationRISE
07-20-2022, 10:51 AM
It’s interesting to wonder if theres any way you could have altered basketball so that Lebron WOULDNT become the GOAT, or was it simply always inevitable?

For instance if you dont count shots from inside the three point arc, MJ becomes irrelevant and never even plays in the NBA.

But Lebron... I dont think theres anything that stop him from being the best. He was always going to do this.

LeDestiny.

Im Still Ballin
07-20-2022, 05:14 PM
The most impressive of the giants is probably 8'3" Väinö Myllyrinne. He was huge, mobile, and had the largest hands ever recorded I believe: 13.4 inches. I'm not sure if that's the measure of the length of the hand or the spread. Yes, even bigger than Wadlow's; he was a more sturdy, robust, well-built individual.


Myllyrinne was born in Helsinki, Grand Duchy of Finland, and is considered the tallest soldier ever, having served in the Finnish Defence Forces. He underwent his conscript training in 1929 in the Viipuri Heavy Artillery Regiment, and was 220 cm (7 ft 3 in) tall and very strong.

In the 1930s he travelled around Europe as a professional wrestler and circus performer. He returned to Finland in 1939 to serve in the Finnish Army during the Winter War. In 1946, he moved to Järvenpää and ran a chicken farm. He died in Helsinki in 1963 and is buried at Järvenpää.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8tlAiaYfQ4&ab_channel=CriticalPast

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Im Still Ballin
07-20-2022, 05:29 PM
Andre The Giant was one of the most robust human beings in history. There were plenty of guys taller, but he's probably the thickest-built human being ever. His maximum height was around 7 feet, his wingspan was 7'4", and his weight ranged from as little as 309 pounds, all the way to 550 I think.

Look at how skinny and lean he looked here at 6'10" and 309 pounds.

https://i.ibb.co/f9RyS4G/andre.webp

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVnaN-H2NK4&ab_channel=%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8 %B9%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%D8%B1%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%8 4%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%87

Kblaze8855
07-23-2022, 02:57 PM
https://youtu.be/ezoiBB_WD2w



This guy moves well to be 7 foot 9 I guess but there’s nobody left but Boban to play him against. And Boban would eat his ass up I’m sure. He seems like a “normal” 7’9” not the hormonal imbalance kind. Too bad he’s probably 28 in reality.