Tim Duncan without Manu: 1-8 record vs prime Shaq/Kobe

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Tim Duncan in the 2000s actually has a similar thing going on with Jordan/Pippen 1-9 stuff.

Spurs pre manu in 2000s vs prime Shaq/Kobe: 1-8 record

So it looks like Duncan was Ben Stiller and Manu was Jennifer Aniston huh? Anybody have the meme "along came Manu".

[SouBeachTalents]

Not like he won a title/FMVP without Manu while sweeping Shaq/Kobe or anything :lol

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Not like he won a title/FMVP without Manu while sweeping Shaq/Kobe or anything :lol

Kobe was a teenager still. Prime Kobe was stomping the shit into Duncan's ass in 2001 and 2002. Duncan also played the worst finals team ever in 1999 allan houston and Jeff Van Dummy. Luckily for Duncan, along came Manu.

[Im so nba'd out]

This thread reeks of insecurity

[Gray GOAT]

Not like he won a title/FMVP without Manu while sweeping Shaq/Kobe or anything :lol

The fact that he has now resorted to arbitrary cherry picking shows how little of case he has. Not a good look.

[Ghost1]

bisex lives matter

[HBK_Kliq_2]

The fact that he has now resorted to arbitrary cherry picking shows how little of case he has. Not a good look.

Manu Polly felt sorry for the dork Duncan stiller hahahah

[Kiddlovesnets]

So what? Duncan is higher on the all time ranking than both Shaq and Kobe.

[JohnMax]

Are you a Spurs fan? Its odd you like Manu and Kawhi but hate Duncan.

[Axe]

Are you a Spurs fan? Its odd you like Manu and Kawhi but hate Duncan.
He's a spoiled bratty kawhi stan who hates on his former and current teammates aside from his rivals.

[BigtimeNBAFan]

Kobe was a teenager still. Prime Kobe was stomping the shit into Duncan's ass in 2001 and 2002. Duncan also played the worst finals team ever in 1999 allan houston and Jeff Van Dummy. Luckily for Duncan, along came Manu.

Kobe wasn't a teenager in the 99 playoffs and Shaq was first team all nba. The Lakers also had Glenn Rice who was still a very good player that year. Shaq, Kobe and Rice all scored more than the 2nd option on the Spurs. Tim Duncan was just that dominant that he led the Spurs to the sweep. Duncan was also great again in 2003. Manu was a good role player for the Spurs, but is highly overrated by many fans. He made two all star games and was all nba twice in his career and they were both 3rd team selections. You listen to some people talk and he was this great superstar in the league.

[BigtimeNBAFan]

Are you a Spurs fan? Its odd you like Manu and Kawhi but hate Duncan.


Yeah this is his second anti-Duncan thread. I guess it is good to have a Duncan hater. The problem with Duncan is he didn't really bring out the emotion in people that Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, Durant and other stars have done. Glad to see someone passionately hate Duncan like others hate Lebron or Kobe.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kobe wasn't a teenager in the 99 playoffs and Shaq was first team all nba. The Lakers also had Glenn Rice who was still a very good player that year. Shaq, Kobe and Rice all scored more than the 2nd option on the Spurs. Tim Duncan was just that dominant that he led the Spurs to the sweep. Duncan was also great again in 2003. Manu was a good role player for the Spurs, but is highly overrated by many fans. He made two all star games and was all nba twice in his career and they were both 3rd team selections. You listen to some people talk and he was this great superstar in the league.

Kobe didn't even average 20PPG in 1999, he wasn't in prime form.

As far as Manu, he was incredibly clutch in big games and spurs best player from 2005-2011. How many players lead the entire playoffs in VORP? Only all time greats do that and Manu did it in 2005. All star game is a popularity contest, Yao was voted in every year even when he was injured all season.

[Whoah10115]

Duncan >>>> Leonard.

[Smoke117]

Duncan >>>> Leonard.

/thread

[Walte1r]

Thanks for the update and quick reply. I'll be sure to keep an eye on this thread lowes employee login (https://www.myloweslife.vip/).

[Dbrog]

Kobe didn't even average 20PPG in 1999, he wasn't in prime form.

As far as Manu, he was incredibly clutch in big games and spurs best player from 2005-2011. How many players lead the entire playoffs in VORP? Only all time greats do that and Manu did it in 2005. All star game is a popularity contest, Yao was voted in every year even when he was injured all season.

Are you saying manu hasn't sucked in a lot of playoff games?

Averaged single digits in 02-03 playoffs on 38% shooting.

03-04 = 13 pts while shooting abysmal from 3 and under 45% from the field.

Had an atrocious showing in 4/6 games against SAC in 05-06 playoffs.

06-07 = single digit games against poor competition.

In 07-08, in the Lakers series, goes for 30 once and under 11 pts the other 4 games. Was only good for 2/5 games against Suns. 4/7 games against Hornets shot 40% or lower. Reinventing history is something everyone here should be careful of.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Are you saying manu hasn't sucked in a lot of playoff games?

Averaged single digits in 02-03 playoffs on 38% shooting.

03-04 = 13 pts while shooting abysmal from 3 and under 45% from the field.

Had an atrocious showing in 4/6 games against SAC in 05-06 playoffs.

06-07 = single digit games against poor competition.

In 07-08, in the Lakers series, goes for 30 once and under 11 pts the other 4 games. Was only good for 2/5 games against Suns. 4/7 games against Hornets shot 40% or lower. Reinventing history is something everyone here should be careful of.

He's not a player you can just judge by shooting/scoring because he has incredible ball handling, passing and was the heart and soul of the team. Clear best player during spurs 2005 title run as well.

Duncan was the one getting lit up by Mavs offense in 2006 because he's too slow, destroyed by pistons defense in 2005, jacking up bricks in 2007 finals, playing terrible in 2008 WCF, average 13PPG in 2011 1st round.

[Dbrog]

He's not a player you can just judge by shooting/scoring because he has incredible ball handling, passing and was the heart and soul of the team. Clear best player during spurs 2005 title run as well.

Duncan was the one getting lit up by Mavs offense in 2006 because he's too slow, destroyed by pistons defense in 2005, jacking up bricks in 2007 finals, playing terrible in 2008 WCF, average 13PPG in 2011 1st round.

:lol

This dude talking up Manu for various intangibles but then shitting on Duncan when Duncan and Kawhi are some of the most dominant intangible players of all time. Truly an unorthodox arguing style. Spurs win exactly 0 titles without Duncan (see: Robinson's Spurs)

[HBK_Kliq_2]

:lol

This dude talking up Manu for various intangibles but then shitting on Duncan when Duncan and Kawhi are some of the most dominant intangible players of all time. Truly an unorthodox arguing style. Spurs win exactly 0 titles without Duncan (see: Robinson's Spurs)

2005 spurs 4 man lineups in playoffs:

Manu/Parker/Horry/Bowen were +16.4

Duncan/Parker/Horry/Bowen were +4.9

Hahahha look what Manu does with that trio and look what Duncan does next to that trio. Similar amount of minutes played together as well. Manu in 2005 playoffs had a superstar Wade 06 level run, no way in hell Duncan wins anything without him that year.

[kawhileonard2]

Not like he won a title/FMVP without Manu while sweeping Shaq/Kobe or anything :lol

True!

[rmt]

He's not a player you can just judge by shooting/scoring because he has incredible ball handling, passing and was the heart and soul of the team. Clear best player during spurs 2005 title run as well.

Duncan was the one getting lit up by Mavs offense in 2006 because he's too slow, destroyed by pistons defense in 2005, jacking up bricks in 2007 finals, playing terrible in 2008 WCF, average 13PPG in 2011 1st round.

It was Duncan lighting up the Mavs - he averaged 32.2 pts 11.7 rebs 3.7 asst 1 stl 2.6 blks in 2006. TD was the primary focus of Pistons' defense. 2007 Finals was never in doubt - he cut off the paint to Lebron and (together with Bowen) forced him into contested jump shots (35.6%FG). I'm not quite sure 22.4 pts 17.4 rebs 1.2 stl 2 blks is playing terrible. Admittedly, he played poorly in 2011.

[Spurs m8]

This is such a low iq thread.

Where do we even start?lol

I'm embarrassed for OP.

I remember this user name, it got banned because he hates Asians.

Racist cvnt

[DMAVS41]

He's not a player you can just judge by shooting/scoring because he has incredible ball handling, passing and was the heart and soul of the team. Clear best player during spurs 2005 title run as well.

Duncan was the one getting lit up by Mavs offense in 2006 because he's too slow, destroyed by pistons defense in 2005, jacking up bricks in 2007 finals, playing terrible in 2008 WCF, average 13PPG in 2011 1st round.

Manu in 03 was not a noteworthy player. The notion that Duncan "needed him" in 03 to win a title is absurd. He was a decent bench payer that gave you like 9/3/3 on poor efficiency that year.

As for Duncan...he was great in the 06 series against the Mavs and had a legendary game 7 of 41/15/6...he just had the bad fortune of playing another legend of the game at probably his peak or close to it...that was also the only series they lost in a 3 year period.

Duncan, if anything, is still under-rated...people need to stop with the Manu / Parker narrative...yes, they were really good, but nothing noteworthy for title winning teams historically. If you gave Duncan a healthy prime Wade, for example, for half of his career....he'd probably be getting GOAT talk because he'd have 7 or 8 titles.

Dude was one of the best defenders of all-time...one of the best teammates of all-time...and was also giving you 23/13/4 in the playoffs in his prime...and could have put up much better scoring numbers if he was more selfish.

[HoopsNY]

Kobe didn't even average 20PPG in 1999, he wasn't in prime form.

As far as Manu, he was incredibly clutch in big games and spurs best player from 2005-2011. How many players lead the entire playoffs in VORP? Only all time greats do that and Manu did it in 2005. All star game is a popularity contest, Yao was voted in every year even when he was injured all season.

Yea, he didn't average 20 PPG...he averaged 19.9. You're being ridiculous now. LA had Shaq/Kobe/Rice, as someone else mentioned. And Kobe and Rice outscored both Elliott and Robinson. In addition, Kobe was All-NBA 3rd team.

Then in 2003, Manu was a rookie putting up a massive 11.7 PPG (since you want to focus on precise numbers), against LA. And the playoffs as a whole? A massive 9.4 PPG on an incredible 38.6% shooting.

Yea, 1999 and 2003 didn't happen. Not to mention, there was speculation that the Spurs were the only team that could realistically beat the Lakers in 2000, but Duncan got injured and missed the playoffs.

Then in 2004, Fisher's shot shouldn't have even counted. It was Duncan who really had the game winner and SAS would have been up 3-2 in the series. But yea, guess we're not applying context like every other post on this board.

[ShawkFactory]

Manu in 03 was not a noteworthy player. The notion that Duncan "needed him" in 03 to win a title is absurd. He was a decent bench payer that gave you like 9/3/3 on poor efficiency that year.

As for Duncan...he was great in the 06 series against the Mavs and had a legendary game 7 of 41/15/6...he just had the bad fortune of playing another legend of the game at probably his peak or close to it...that was also the only series they lost in a 3 year period.

Duncan, if anything, is still under-rated...people need to stop with the Manu / Parker narrative...yes, they were really good, but nothing noteworthy for title winning teams historically. If you gave Duncan a healthy prime Wade, for example, for half of his career....he'd probably be getting GOAT talk because he'd have 7 or 8 titles.

Dude was one of the best defenders of all-time...one of the best teammates of all-time...and was also giving you 23/13/4 in the playoffs in his prime...and could have put up much better scoring numbers if he was more selfish.

This is the main thing. You watch Horford now and just imagine that mindset on a more supremely talented player.

Duncan would do anything. If it meant only scoring 16 when someone else was hot then 16 it is. Here's 25 rebounds and 7 blocks.

[Nowitness]

Just to add to the lunacy of this thread, it isn't just coicidental that when Duncan experienced his mid/late career decline from 08-12, SA achieved nothing.

Those years also happened to coincide with Manu and Parkers peaks (combined they made 6 All-NBA teams, 4 of them came during this time period).

Manu was a very nice piece, but the fact that Duncan won multiple titles with his best teammates being Manu and Parker says everything.

Also, Manu shrank badly v LA in 08. Dude in his best statistical season crumbled v LA averaging 12/3/3 on 35% shooting whilst Duncan in a downyear put up 22/18/5/2....

[Kblaze8855]

As for Duncan...he was great in the 06 series against the Mavs and had a legendary game 7 of 41/15/6...he just had the bad fortune of playing another legend of the game at probably his peak or close to it...that was also the only series they lost in a 3 ye.


And of Manu committing arguably the dumbest foul in nba history up 3 with Dirk driving for two allowing a 3 point play to force overtime in game 7.




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One of the few times where literally doing nothing might result in winning a series.

He does nothing and they are leading forcing the Mavs to play the foul game to stop them running out the rest of the clock. Manu then goes down and misses the game winning layup which Duncan rebounds and can’t get back up.

Sometimes just being stupid at the wrong moment is all it takes.

[DMAVS41]

And of Manu committing arguably the dumbest foul in nba history up 3 with Dirk driving for two allowing a 3 point play to force overtime in game 7.




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One of the few times where literally doing nothing might result in winning a series.

He does nothing and they are leading forcing the Mavs to play the foul game to stop them running out the rest of the clock. Manu then goes down and misses the game winning layup which Duncan rebounds and can’t get back up.

Sometimes just being stupid at the wrong moment is all it takes.

Yep...

It is crazy how big of an impact that play made on the Spurs when you think about it. Maybe history doesn't play out exactly the same, but the Spurs would have likely beaten the Heat in the finals and would have been a 3 peat and they'd all have even more legendary careers.

Nothing is certain...maybe they choke some free throws and Dirk or Terry make a big shot, but that play likely cost the Spurs a 3 peat.

The Spurs from 03 through 08 don't get enough credit imo for how good they actually were. I know they won 3 titles in the span...but the Manu play above and Manu not being hurt in the 08 playoffs honestly could have resulted in 5 titles during that time.

[tpols]

Yep...

It is crazy how big of an impact that play made on the Spurs when you think about it. Maybe history doesn't play out exactly the same, but the Spurs would have likely beaten the Heat in the finals and would have been a 3 peat and they'd all have even more legendary careers.

Nothing is certain...maybe they choke some free throws and Dirk or Terry make a big shot, but that play likely cost the Spurs a 3 peat.

The Spurs from 03 through 08 don't get enough credit imo for how good they actually were. I know they won 3 titles in the span...but the Manu play above and Manu not being hurt in the 08 playoffs honestly could have resulted in 5 titles during that time.

Pop taking out Duncan in 2013 Game 6 final play was arguably even dumber than what manu did. Spurs could have quite easily had 7 titles.

[Vino24]

Kawhi’s best teammate is the bench. He can never leave him for long

[JohnMax]

Parker and Ginobili didn't make top 75 list and Spurs have not won a championship since Duncan retired so his legacy as greatest Spurs player is locked up.