View Full Version : Giannis' Legacy Will Never Recover
FireDavidKahn
09-08-2020, 09:35 PM
Best record in the league.
Team that would have made the play offs without him.
Losses 1-4 in the semi's
0-4 in games he played. The one win doesn't count since he only played 11 minutes.
Happened the year he wins MVP and DPOY
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eMnstr2t14M/maxresdefault.jpg
Honestly I'm a bit appalled why there is no mention of coach bud at all in the first place. Pfft.
Hamtaro CP3KDKG
09-08-2020, 09:42 PM
0-4 in games he played? What
isnt it 1-3?
He didnt play this game so how is it 4 losses?
Yeah, the op is just being dumb lol. He didn't mention earlier about giannis's ankle injury in game 3 as well.
Also seems to forget that KAT has never played beyond the first round of the postseason yet.
AlternativeAcc.
09-08-2020, 09:45 PM
0-4 in games he played? What
isnt it 1-3?
He didnt play this game so how is it 4 losses?
Shut up Ham..
Don't make me bully you like those blacks in HS... :lol
ImKobe
09-08-2020, 09:47 PM
Injured since the start of Game 3..
bobopenguin
09-08-2020, 09:50 PM
Injured since the start of Game 3..
excuses.
HylianNightmare
09-08-2020, 09:51 PM
He's had trouble delivering in the playoffs that's for sure
DMAVS41
09-08-2020, 09:52 PM
LOL
People said the same shit about Lebron in 10/11 and Dirk in 07. Kobe couldn't win without Shaq after 08 finals...etc.
Giannis haters will likely look dumb 10 years from now just like all the rest.
Roundball_Rock
09-08-2020, 10:02 PM
LOL
People said the same shit about Lebron in 10/11 and Dirk in 07. Kobe couldn't win without Shaq after 08 finals...etc.
Giannis haters will likely look dumb 10 years from now just like all the rest.
Yup. :oldlol:
FireDavidKahn
09-08-2020, 10:03 PM
Yeah, the op is just being dumb lol. He didn't mention earlier about giannis's ankle injury in game 3 as well.
Also seems to forget that KAT has never played beyond the first round of the postseason yet.
Sorry, little high.
Giannis quit. Even Curry played through something MUCH worse in a sprained* MCL
DMAVS41
09-08-2020, 10:06 PM
Here is the truth. He played poorly and has things to work on. He's also an all-time great in his current form.
Guess what, it is hard to beat really good teams in the playoffs when you have the type of roster the Bucks have. Like I always say...when you don't have great teammates...that "65 win team" looks less impressive. Which is why you see people talk about the regular season win totals on teams like this and not the actual players. Does it ever get old? Does it ever get old pretending that Lebron in 09 had some amazingly great all-time team because they won 66 games? Or the Mavs in 07?
Players matter.
And if it was easy to win with a roster like this with a 2nd option like Middleton...you'd see it happen way more often because while Giannis is great, there has been a lot of players better...and even then...those players almost never win without a stud 2nd guy that is a first ballot hall of famer.
Sorry, little high.
Giannis quit. Even Curry played through something MUCH worse in a sprained* MCL
Giannis today is a shade of lebron from 2010 but with injury.
HBK_Kliq_2
09-08-2020, 10:08 PM
7 straight playoff losses if you don't count his 11 minute game. East 1st round doesn't really count.
FireDavidKahn
09-08-2020, 10:09 PM
Here is the truth. He played poorly and has things to work on. He's also an all-time great in his current form.
Guess what, it is hard to beat really good teams in the playoffs when you have the type of roster the Bucks have. Like I always say...when you don't have great teammates...that "65 win team" looks less impressive. Which is why you see people talk about the regular season win totals on teams like this and not the actual players. Does it ever get old? Does it ever get old pretending that Lebron in 09 had some amazingly great all-time team because they won 66 games? Or the Mavs in 07?
Players matter.
And if it was easy to win with a roster like this with a 2nd option like Middleton...you'd see it happen way more often because while Giannis is great, there has been a lot of players better...and even then...those players almost never win without a stud 2nd guy that is a first ballot hall of famer.
This isn't like a superstar is carrying some scrub team. The Bucks have a shit ton of talent on their team and are one of the deepest teams.
PeroAntic
09-08-2020, 10:17 PM
Swap Giannis with Butler and the Bucks get better
DMAVS41
09-08-2020, 10:17 PM
This isn't like a superstar is carrying some scrub team. The Bucks have a shit ton of talent on their team and are one of the deepest teams.
I never said they were scrubs. I simply said they aren't anything noteworthy as a roster compared to the teams that usually win in the playoffs. And when you don't have those great 2nd guys...you can get upset far more easily and far more often.
I just don't understand why this is controversial. The entirety of NBA history has been like this. Doesn't mean Giannis didn't play like ass...doesn't mean he's not the most at fault. I'm just merely pointing out that shit like this happens on single star teams because it is really hard to play great when you don't have the kind of support you need to overcome some struggles.
The margin of error is just much smaller.
Roundball_Rock
09-08-2020, 10:21 PM
This isn't like a superstar is carrying some scrub team. The Bucks have a shit ton of talent on their team and are one of the deepest teams.
They are a .500 type team w/out Giannis. Not trash but not great either.
DMAVS41
09-08-2020, 10:25 PM
They are a .500 type team w/out Giannis. Not trash but not great either.
Right. They went 5-5 without Giannis this year. Maybe they win like 45 games or something. Definitely a really good supporting cast if they can do that without your star.
But, compare them to the title team last year. Without Leonard they went 17-5 last year and have basically won at a 60 win pace over the last 2 years without him. They might get to a game 7 against the Celtics (a better team than the Heat imo)...there are levels to this shit.
Kblaze8855
09-08-2020, 10:27 PM
LOL
People said the same shit about Lebron in 10/11 and Dirk in 07. Kobe couldn't win without Shaq after 08 finals...etc.
Giannis haters will likely look dumb 10 years from now just like all the rest.
After 19 years of watching people say this shit on here and be brutally wrong I dont think I can even bring myself to seriously respond.
A second round loss when you played 11 minutes across two games? Nobody is even gonna remember it happened.
Its gonna be as well known as Kareem losing in round 1 with a 60 win team while shooting like 35% over 3 games in a row before being eliminated by Jim Barnett. Which is to say....when someone points it out decades later the people reading it will have to google to know what the **** is even being talked about.
Giannis turned 25 in december. Hes literally younger than several hall of famers were their rookie seasons and we talking about legacy wrecking shit like every team isnt trying to add him and build a superteam(including the team they just lost to).
Barring injury this wont even make his career recap. Hes gonna have much bigger wins and more important losses to come.
Roundball_Rock
09-08-2020, 10:32 PM
Right. They went 5-5 without Giannis this year. Maybe they win like 45 games or something. Definitely a really good supporting cast if they can do that without your star.
But, compare them to the title team last year. Without Leonard they went 17-5 last year and have basically won at a 60 win pace over the last 2 years without him. They might get to a game 7 against the Celtics (a better team than the Heat imo)...there are levels to this shit.
Agreed.
Anyway, i hope this loss won't be a turning point for the season mvp when the time comes. What matters now the most is how he and the bucks will rebuild for the next season, granting that it will be pushing through as usual.
DMAVS41
09-08-2020, 10:56 PM
Anyway, i hope this loss won't be a turning point for the season mvp when the time comes. What matters now the most is how he and the bucks will rebuild for the next season, granting that it will be pushing through as usual.
Good luck.
There isn't much on the roster to make moves with. Not saying they have bad contracts, but you likely aren't getting a better player back for anything involving Middleton or Lopez...and Bledsoe likely has neutral trade value at best at this point.
Always something that can be done...but this roster is more difficult to change than most. Nobody seems to want to talk about it, but the owners not being willing to pay Brogdon not only hurt the team this year, but now limits what the future can be as well.
imdaman99
09-08-2020, 10:58 PM
LOL
People said the same shit about Lebron in 10/11 and Dirk in 07. Kobe couldn't win without Shaq after 08 finals...etc.
Giannis haters will likely look dumb 10 years from now just like all the rest.
Exactly this. If those guys can recover from those at the end of those seasons, Giannis can as well. He's still improving.
FireDavidKahn
09-08-2020, 11:10 PM
Exactly as it was drawn up
Lakers Legend#32
09-09-2020, 04:53 AM
Giannis will win his championships with the Lakers.
AussieSteve
09-09-2020, 05:05 AM
Here is the truth. He played poorly and has things to work on. He's also an all-time great in his current form.
Guess what, it is hard to beat really good teams in the playoffs when you have the type of roster the Bucks have. Like I always say...when you don't have great teammates...that "65 win team" looks less impressive. Which is why you see people talk about the regular season win totals on teams like this and not the actual players. Does it ever get old? Does it ever get old pretending that Lebron in 09 had some amazingly great all-time team because they won 66 games? Or the Mavs in 07?
Players matter.
And if it was easy to win with a roster like this with a 2nd option like Middleton... you'd see it happen way more often because while Giannis is great, there has been a lot of players better...and even then...those players almost never win without a stud 2nd guy that is a first ballot hall of famer.
But Middleton was the leading scorer in the series. He averaged 26 / 6 / 7. You can't really expect more from a 2nd option.
Lopez also scored more than Bam as third option... on better shooting % too.
Bucks have a good roster. By east standards especially, it is one of the best top to bottom.
Sure, it's not a championship roster. But its a roster that an MVP should be able to get past a 5th seed.
ArbitraryWater
09-09-2020, 05:17 AM
It will, but its bad for now and will always play a role.
Giannis is 25 years old. He probably has 10 years (or more) in the league (barring injury). So the legacy of a guy who improved EVERY year since he started playing in the NBA will NEVER recover because his team lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs? Okay then.
SouBeachTalents
09-09-2020, 05:33 AM
If LeBron can recover from 2011 & Dirk from '07, there's no defeat or embarrassment that can't be overcome
Spurs m8
09-09-2020, 06:10 AM
Op's hero has got his shit pushed in more times than we can count, and he has the nerve to talk about legacies hahahhaha
Imagine giving a 22year old direct opponent a FMVP
iamgine
09-09-2020, 06:24 AM
Anyone's legacy can always recover.
ImKobe
09-09-2020, 07:19 AM
excuses.
It is an excuse & how people are going to remember it 10 years from now. 1. It happened in the bubble, the Bucks boycotted a Playoff game game leading up to the series. 2. The foul call with 0.0 left in Game 2 to give the Heat the 2 - 0 lead & 3. Giannis getting injured in the 1st quarter of Game 3 and then injuring the ankle again in the 2nd quarter of Game 4, which didn't give him a chance to redeem himself in the series.
DMAVS41
09-09-2020, 07:21 AM
But Middleton was the leading scorer in the series. He averaged 26 / 6 / 7. You can't really expect more from a 2nd option.
Lopez also scored more than Bam as third option... on better shooting % too.
Bucks have a good roster. By east standards especially, it is one of the best top to bottom.
Sure, it's not a championship roster. But its a roster that an MVP should be able to get past a 5th seed.
Yes, it is a pretty good roster. I've said the same thing on repeat.
Should he be able to get past the 5th seed? Yep...and all-time greats like him will most of the time with a roster like this. But when you don't actually have a great 2nd guy and have "not a championship roster" as you even admit...upsets can happen far more easily and more frequently. That is the point. It doesn't excuse his play...it was not good.
Matchups dictate so much in the NBA...this was a bad matchup for the Bucks. And a loss is just far more realistic against a team like the Heat without that HOF 2nd guy and or great coaching...with a very good, but not great supporting cast.
We forget, so often, that even the best players struggle at times...and some of them are lucky enough to have such good teams around them...they can overcome not playing great and still win series...sometimes still win easily. This type of supporting cast is not good enough to afford Giannis that luxury...at least they haven't been able to yet.
TheCorporation
09-09-2020, 09:51 AM
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StrongLurk
09-09-2020, 10:23 AM
All time greats like Shaq and Hakeem had very similar playoff runs to the one Giannis just had...so I wouldn't agree with the OP. It's definitely disappointing, but not worse than what Lebron pulled in the 2011 finals. Giannis still has plenty of time to do more.
Turbo Slayer
09-09-2020, 10:24 AM
Giannis will recover eventually.
Turbo Slayer
09-09-2020, 10:33 AM
All time greats like Shaq and Hakeem had very similar playoff runs to the one Giannis just had...so I wouldn't agree with the OP. It's definitely disappointing, but not worse than what Lebron pulled in the 2011 finals. Giannis still has plenty of time to do more.
Giannis reminds me of David Robinson (for now). They both have amazing seasons in the regular season but in the POs, their production plummets.
Hopefully, Giannis can prove me wrong and cement his status as one of the ATG bigs in roughly the next 10 years or so.
Roundball_Rock
09-09-2020, 11:15 AM
Giannis reminds me of David Robinson (for now). They both have amazing seasons in the regular season but in the POs, their production plummets.
Hopefully, Giannis can prove me wrong and cement his status as one of the ATG bigs in roughly the next 10 years or so.
Giannis already has been a ECF, though. Robinson made 1 WCF in his entire prime. With Giannis the decline is driven by a limited skill set which he should correct over the years. With Robinson it appeared to be a mental thing, although to be fair to him, he was going to battle with Sean Elliott as his second option (a 2x all-star, never made all-NBA). He didn't have the benefit of a HOF second option like many other ATG's. To date, neither has Giannis.
BigtimeNBAFan
09-09-2020, 11:26 AM
Of course his legacy can recover. Hypothetically if the Bucks win the title next year do you think anybody will care about this year? Maybe some people will, but most will be celebrating him as the greatest player in the game.
The reality is for players that are not in the GOAT conversation, it is really easy to have a positive legacy. Just win. Lebron it is different because of the MJ comparisons and the GOAT talk. Because of that every series loss and every game in general is analyzed to death. For guys like the Greek Freak, Harden, Jimmy Butler, etc. . . just win a title and people are pretty forgiving about your flaws. Dirk is the best example of this. His career playoff record is actually pretty bad. He only got past the second round 3x in his entire career. Very few people focus on all that though. They celebrate his championship and talk about his great 30,000 point career.
Turbo Slayer
09-09-2020, 11:44 AM
Giannis already has been a ECF, though. Robinson made 1 WCF in his entire prime. With Giannis the decline is driven by a limited skill set which he should correct over the years. With Robinson it appeared to be a mental thing, although to be fair to him, he was going to battle with Sean Elliott as his second option (a 2x all-star, never made all-NBA). He didn't have the benefit of a HOF second option like many other ATG's. To date, neither has Giannis.
Good points. The 90s Spurs didn´t have too many offensive options besides Elliot. So it was easy for defenses to key in on Robinson and let other players score.
Some fans could argue that the Spurs tanked in 1997 below their talent level in hopes of getting a super great player. Obviously that turned out to be Tim Duncan. I´m glad Robinson finally won it near the end of his career.
Turbo Slayer
09-09-2020, 11:46 AM
Of course his legacy can recover. Hypothetically if the Bucks win the title next year do you think anybody will care about this year? Maybe some people will, but most will be celebrating him as the greatest player in the game.
The reality is for players that are not in the GOAT conversation, it is really easy to have a positive legacy. Just win. Lebron it is different because of the MJ comparisons and the GOAT talk. Because of that every series loss and every game in general is analyzed to death. For guys like the Greek Freak, Harden, Jimmy Butler, etc. . . just win a title and people are pretty forgiving about your flaws. Dirk is the best example of this. His career playoff record is actually pretty bad. He only got past the second round 3x in his entire career. Very few people focus on all that though. They celebrate his championship and talk about his great 30,000 point career. True. Does anyone remember how Shaq got swept multiple times early in his career? Pretty much no one brings it up.
People only like to focus on the good things and gloss over the bad things.
In order to fully appreciate a player we have to know the low points and the high points of a player´s career.
Roundball_Rock
09-09-2020, 11:55 AM
Good points. The 90s Spurs didn´t have too many offensive options besides Elliot. So it was easy for defenses to key in on Robinson and let other players score.
Some fans could argue that the Spurs tanked in 1997 below their talent level in hopes of getting a super great player. Obviously that turned out to be Tim Duncan. I´m glad Robinson finally won it near the end of his career.
Agreed on all.
I think the bucks need a better coach than bud if they want to take an aim for the championship.
knicksman
09-09-2020, 07:36 PM
giannis vs jordan is similar to pippen vs george. giannis might even be more impactful than jordan but he doesnt possess the skill that matters the most. Thats why theres a disagreement between lebron and kobe stans. Lebron stans measure impact as who the better player is while kobe stans will choose the player whom they will pick first when building a team. Giannis is better impact wise but well even choose butler when building a team. Its the same with pippen vs george, Pippen is the more impactful player but well choose george when it comes to building a team. Its the same reason why lebron was losing before superteaming coz he just doesnt have 'it'.
FireDavidKahn
09-09-2020, 08:08 PM
Giannis is 25 years old. He probably has 10 years (or more) in the league (barring injury). So the legacy of a guy who improved EVERY year since he started playing in the NBA will NEVER recover because his team lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs? Okay then.
Look at the people who still bash LeBron for that Magic series (despite not looking at the context) or his one against the Mavs. It's ridicoulus.
This series from Giannis is worse then either of those.
FireDavidKahn
09-09-2020, 08:09 PM
If LeBron can recover from 2011 & Dirk from '07, there's no defeat or embarrassment that can't be overcome
But that's the thing, most people don't:roll:
Regading Dirk? Ya I'll agree with you on that one.
Look at the people who still bash LeBron for that Magic series (despite not looking at the context) or his one against the Mavs. It's ridicoulus.
This series from Giannis is worse then either of those.
Meltdown. You stans also bash jordan with impunity for going 1-9 in the postseason without pippen and now, you want to tell us that no one can point out lebron's shortcomings, like his most apparent one which is being swept in the finals twice? Lmao.
FireDavidKahn
09-09-2020, 08:16 PM
Meltdown. You stans also bash jordan with impunity for going 1-9 in the postseason without pippen and now, you want to tell us that no one can point out lebron's shortcomings, like his most apparent one which is being swept in the finals twice? Lmao.
You still aren't getting it. People are using it to define LeBron's career.
You still aren't getting it. People are using it to define LeBron's career.
He did a lot of great things, feats and achievements in his career but that doesn't mean that he didn't have any shortcomings at all, just like the other atgs.
Kiddlovesnets
09-09-2020, 08:33 PM
If Lebron could recover from 2011, sure Giannis can. Doesnt mean he will, he has to step up his game in future.
Naero
07-21-2021, 01:54 AM
We all knew he'd recover. :oldlol: I just admittedly didn't think it'd take just less than a year.
2much_knowledge
07-21-2021, 01:59 AM
Another L for o.p. such a consistent poor poster
hold this L
07-21-2021, 01:59 AM
OP's post have always had the same level of quality of the organization he follows. L after L.
You should never make these threads about great players lol. You’d think people would have learned after the Dirk and LeBron threads.
Kblaze8855
07-21-2021, 08:18 AM
Nobody learns anything. Luka and Zion will catch the hate next and hear about Whats never Gonna happen. The “It’s all hype.” sports fan has a limitless capacity to believe they are smarter than the rest of the world who thinks obviously great players are great even when they lose early in their careers.
rawimpact
07-21-2021, 08:20 AM
And just like that giannis has more rings than the Timberwolves franchise.
Airupthere
07-21-2021, 08:21 AM
I dont think lebron ever really recovered from 2011. He made a mistake superteaming in MIA and went with the same blueprint in every team he joined after.
Just last year he had to demand "respect" after winning the finals. That's because he has not earned it still. He knows it. Everyone knows it.
RogueBorg
07-21-2021, 08:23 AM
I dont think lebron ever really recovered from 2011. He made a mistake superteaming in MIA and went with the same blueprint in every team he joined after.
Just last year he had to demand "respect" after winning the finals. That's because he has not earned it still. He knows it. Everyone knows it.
Yes, he does know it and he can't do anything about it.
tontoz
07-21-2021, 09:15 AM
:roll:
ScottieQuitting
07-21-2021, 09:23 AM
Yes, he does know it and he can't do anything about it.
This is true. Think about it, the level of joy people have for Giannis today sticking it out in small shit market Milwaukee?
This should’ve been how LeBron‘s first championship went down with the city of Cleveland. It would’ve immediately earned him more respect and admiration and likability.
He cried after the 2016 one, and that was after he already left to win as easily as possible in Miami, and then came back stacking the deck in his favor.
He really ruined his own narrative and story and legacy for his career going to Miami the first time. And yes, he knows he’s not respected. That’s why, like you said, he had to demand it after winning his fourth hollow championship last year.
I mean just look at his reaction from winning his first championship to the one in Cleveland. After the first Miami one, where they should’ve already won at the previous year, he’s dancing around like a ghetto teenager. But then cries after his third championship? Why do you think that is? Deep down, he knows he messed up.
Just one natural organic, been there from the beginning championship with the Cleveland team that drafted him, would’ve been worth more than the four hollow ones he has now.
He gave up quick, because he’s a front runner, a coward, and a quitter. He has shown time and time again throughout his career. Hell, he showed it in this year‘s first round. He had the series advantage, and Phoenix didn’t even have their best player. And he totally quit. Literally didn’t even play defense. Walked up the court. Now look what Giannis did against the same team.
LeBron is content now. He’s done. He wants to control the narrative not on the court, but off the court through social media and his other media outlets.
Airupthere
07-21-2021, 09:28 AM
This is true. Think about it, the level of joy people have for Giannis today sticking it out in small shit market Milwaukee?
This should’ve been how LeBron‘s first championship went down with the city of Cleveland. It would’ve immediately earned him more respect and admiration and likability.
He cried after the 2016 one, and that was after he already left to win as easily as possible in Miami, and then came back stacking the deck in his favor.
He really ruined his own narrative and story and legacy for his career going to Miami the first time. And yes, he knows he’s not respected. That’s why, like you said, he had to demand it after winning his fourth hollow championship last year.
I mean just look at his reaction from winning his first championship to the one in Cleveland. After the first Miami one, where they should’ve already won at the previous year, he’s dancing around like a ghetto teenager. But then cries after his third championship? Why do you think that is? Deep down, he knows he messed up.
Just one natural organic, been there from the beginning championship with the Cleveland team that drafted him, would’ve been worth more than the four hollow ones he has now.
He gave up quick, because he’s a front runner, a coward, and a quitter. He has shown time and time again throughout his career. Hell, he showed it in this year‘s first round. He had the series advantage, and Phoenix didn’t even have their best player. And he totally quit. Literally didn’t even play defense. Walked up the court. Now look what Giannis did against the same team.
LeBron is content now. He’s done. He wants to control the narrative not on the court, but off the court through social media and his other media outlets.
Agree on all points. A year after Lebron demands respect, Giannis shoots down Lebron's whole career narrative in one championship.
Also, lol at the bold text. It's nice to have a decent championship celebration. No childishness, no overdramatizing things trying to create finals "moments", no cringe speeches. Just giannis and the team with pure appreciation of the moment.
tpols
07-21-2021, 09:29 AM
This is true. Think about it, the level of joy people have for Giannis today sticking it out in small shit market Milwaukee?
This should’ve been how LeBron‘s first championship went down with the city of Cleveland. It would’ve immediately earned him more respect and admiration and likability.
He cried after the 2016 one, and that was after he already left to win as easily as possible in Miami, and then came back stacking the deck in his favor.
He really ruined his own narrative and story and legacy for his career going to Miami the first time. And yes, he knows he’s not respected. That’s why, like you said, he had to demand it after winning his fourth hollow championship last year.
I mean just look at his reaction from winning his first championship to the one in Cleveland. After the first Miami one, where they should’ve already won at the previous year, he’s dancing around like a ghetto teenager. But then cries after his third championship? Why do you think that is? Deep down, he knows he messed up.
Just one natural organic, been there from the beginning championship with the Cleveland team that drafted him, would’ve been worth more than the four hollow ones he has now.
He gave up quick, because he’s a front runner, a coward, and a quitter. He has shown time and time again throughout his career. Hell, he showed it in this year‘s first round. He had the series advantage, and Phoenix didn’t even have their best player. And he totally quit. Literally didn’t even play defense. Walked up the court. Now look what Giannis did against the same team.
LeBron is content now. He’s done. He wants to control the narrative not on the court, but off the court through social media and his other media outlets.
Lebron had to go against a pierce Garnett Allen rondo Celtic team that was far better than any team the bucks beat this year. And mo Williams sure as hell ain't as good as Middleton. I don't think its a stretch to say peak Lebron wins with Middleton against this competition. But I do respect giannis competitive motor more as he really is fierce and not a true flopper like the banana boat crew (look at compilation of Paul lebron and wade flops/deception)
Airupthere
07-21-2021, 09:32 AM
Lebron had to go against a pierce Garnett Allen rondo Celtic team that was far better than any team the bucks beat this year. And mo Williams sure as hell ain't as good as Middleton. I don't think its a stretch to say Lebron wins with Middleton against this competition. But I do respect giannis competitive motor more as he really is fierce and not a true flopper or cheater like the banana boat crew (look at compilation of Paul lebron and wade flops/deception)
Giannis and Khris both started from the bottom. Why didn't Lebron ever have one like Khris, or Pippen? You can always blame the likes of mo, larry hughes, or love playing bad, but it boils down to lebron. Why can't he elevate teammates? He loads up on his own stats at the detriment of the long term potential of teammates, and the team's chances of victory.
ScottieQuitting
07-21-2021, 09:39 AM
Lebron had to go against a pierce Garnett Allen rondo Celtic team that was far better than any team the bucks beat this year. And mo Williams sure as hell ain't as good as Middleton. I don't think its a stretch to say peak Lebron wins with Middleton against this competition. But I do respect giannis competitive motor more as he really is fierce and not a true flopper like the banana boat crew (look at compilation of Paul lebron and wade flops/deception)
I totally agree. But the core message of the post, you don’t agree with?
8Ball
07-21-2021, 09:43 AM
Your core message is retarded.
If you went to college it wouldn't need to be explained to you.
This is true. Think about it, the level of joy people have for Giannis today sticking it out in small shit market Milwaukee?
This should’ve been how LeBron‘s first championship went down with the city of Cleveland. It would’ve immediately earned him more respect and admiration and likability.
He cried after the 2016 one, and that was after he already left to win as easily as possible in Miami, and then came back stacking the deck in his favor.
He really ruined his own narrative and story and legacy for his career going to Miami the first time. And yes, he knows he’s not respected. That’s why, like you said, he had to demand it after winning his fourth hollow championship last year.
I mean just look at his reaction from winning his first championship to the one in Cleveland. After the first Miami one, where they should’ve already won at the previous year, he’s dancing around like a ghetto teenager. But then cries after his third championship? Why do you think that is? Deep down, he knows he messed up.
Just one natural organic, been there from the beginning championship with the Cleveland team that drafted him, would’ve been worth more than the four hollow ones he has now.
He gave up quick, because he’s a front runner, a coward, and a quitter. He has shown time and time again throughout his career. Hell, he showed it in this year‘s first round. He had the series advantage, and Phoenix didn’t even have their best player. And he totally quit. Literally didn’t even play defense. Walked up the court. Now look what Giannis did against the same team.
LeBron is content now. He’s done. He wants to control the narrative not on the court, but off the court through social media and his other media outlets.
On point. And you can see how the media and fans everywhere are reacting to this championship. Heck, even lebron validates your points by pleading for "respect".
tpols
07-21-2021, 09:51 AM
I totally agree. But the core message of the post, you don’t agree with?
I do like giannis personality better for sure. He is tough as nails.
ScottieQuitting
07-21-2021, 09:53 AM
Your core message is retarded.
If you went to college it wouldn't need to be explained to you.
Uh oh, some poor Bron Stan alt is upset
8Ball
07-21-2021, 09:57 AM
Uh oh, some poor Bron Stan alt is upset
Look at your username.
Your whole raison d'etre is to be upset that Jordan had a superteam. :lol
Uh oh, some poor Bron Stan alt is upset
He'e been upset for some time now. Expect things to be worse in the days to come. More tantrums and trolling from the bronsexuals.
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