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Kblaze8855
09-08-2020, 11:52 PM
Notice him throw it to KCP(I think) as the shot clock expired half a second before the game ended? He clearly didnt want it as the clock expired. But you dont get a turnover. Your team gets one but it doesnt go on anyones stats individually.

Kblaze8855
09-08-2020, 11:56 PM
A quick google shows me that a lot of players dont know it and intentionally give it to role players to take one for the team.

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/11/21/nba-grenades-shot-clock-violation-team-turnover-lakers-76ers-knicks


Why is this evil infiltrating NBA chemistry? “People thought it was going to be a turnover,” Graham says, chuckling. Here’s the catch: According to the league office, a shot clock violation has officially resulted in a team turnover, not an individual player’s turnover, for as long as anyone can remember. “Oh! A lot of players don’t know that,” Graham, now with Brooklyn, says upon learning this fact. “I didn’t know that.”

The incident falls under an even sharper microscope in half-court offense, when a player pounds the ball until the weening milliseconds before the shot clock sounds, only to strand a teammate with the hottest of potatoes. “We call those grenades,” says Pacers forward Thaddeus Young.

“I’m obviously not an iso guy,” Young says. “If there are three or four seconds left on the shot clock, you better not pass me that s---.” Again, players are simply unaware that shot clock violations do not negatively impact their personal stat line. Yet all are painfully aware of the existence of grenades and the ire they can inspire. Don’t even think about dropping a grenade on Rockets forward P.J. Tucker. “Dog…” Tucker says, shaking his head. “It doesn’t matter when you get it. It could be the first play or the last play.”

“It’s one of those things where, a lot of times, too, when they give it up, the other guy doesn’t know the shot clock,” Tucker says. “So when he gets it, he don’t know it’s a grenade.”



“If it happens, people are just like, ‘What the f---?’” McConnell says. The Sixers’ point guard was also uninformed of the team turnover vs. individual blackmark. “People don’t realize that. And they don’t want to take a terrible shot, too.”




So why not just sit on the ball and let the clock expire? Your shooting percentage doesn’t dip and your defense can retreat and set itself. “But then the coaches are like, ‘What are you doing?’” McConnell says. “It’s not a lose-lose, but you don’t want to look like an idiot taking a bad shot, but you probably should instead of forcing it to another teammate.”


“What a player should do is let the pass go out of bounds,” jokes Pelicans associate head coach Chris Finch. “That way the turnover is on the grenade thrower and not on him.” When the shot clock reaches five seconds, most coaching staffs will yell a signal like “butter” to affirm their teams are aware of the melting possession. Coaches also drill how to respond to a grenade-induced wild shot, which often sparks a long rebound and leaves teams susceptible to transition buckets. If a player consistently doles out grenades, he will almost certainly get a talking to. But as long as grenades aren’t disrupting team chemistry, coaches understand players have never been more scrutinized, with efficiency numbers factoring into players' salaries now more than ever.

McConnell can't recall the exact sequence, but remembers firing a wild, before-the-buzzer shot early in his rookie year, a veteran later thanking him on the bench for eating the grenade on behalf of the team. It seems the majority of role players take the detonation in jest. “When you see the videos you just kind of laugh about it," McConnell says. Adds Graham: "It's a shot. It's not the biggest thing in the world." But take this as a public service announcement for all 450 NBA players: Maintaining the ball as the shot clock sounds is not a blemish in your box score.

oldtimer28
09-09-2020, 08:26 AM
A quick google shows me that a lot of players dont know it and intentionally give it to role players to take one for the team.

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/11/21/nba-grenades-shot-clock-violation-team-turnover-lakers-76ers-knicks



Ha, good share. Always wondered.

rawimpact
09-09-2020, 08:31 AM
Actually didn't know this myself, good share.

Also since we're on these unspoken rules subject -- what's with the way NBA players change position/sides between freethrows?