Did MJ make his teammates worse? Horace Grant and BJ became ALL STARS when MJ left

[NBASTATMAN]

Those MJ teams had four all star level players but MJ took away from his teammates accolades cuz he was a ball hog.. They did fine without him and would have went on to the FINALS if not for the NBA robbing THE BULLS to preserve MJ's status..

[Axe]

Yes, they are a true superteam indeed.

[insidious301]

Not necessarily. Afterall they did win championships with Jordan. Good players like Armstrong & Grant(underrated) are expected to raise their individual output. However, one can argue that Jordan had the best help of anyone he played. I would have to think about it a little more, but one thing is for sure. Jordan's teams didn't magically win 70 & 69 back to back years with him doing it all.

[BigtimeNBAFan]

MJ is actually similar to Kawhi in how we are told he carried a team that wasn't that good to the title, but as soon as he leaves the team is still one of the best in the league. But yeah it is a myth that Jordan didn't have a great team around him. Scottie Pippen was one of the best players in the league obviously and Horace Grant was one of the best defensive players of the early 90's and Rodman was one of the best defensive players of the 90's, plus the best rebounder in the league. Not to mention all the great shooters on the team.

How is Lebron the super team guy and Kawhi isn't? Kawhi's team is currently one game away from the ECF and might make the Finals this year without him not to mention they were 17-5 with him out of the lineup last year.

[Bawkish]

expectation vs. reality :lol

[Vino24]

Scoring wise they were certainly worse. MJ’s need to score 15ppg more than Pippen came at a price Of over all offense

[BigtimeNBAFan]

No because they won with Jordan. Good players like BJ and & Grant(underrated) are expected to raise their individual output. However, one can argue that Jordan had the best help of anyone he played. I would have to really think about it a little more. I do know one thing, Jordan's teams didn't magically win 70 and then 69 back to back years with him doing it all.

Definitely didn't do it himself. He had two hall of fame teammates plus some great shooters. Steve Kerr shot 51% from 3 that year. Toni Kukoc was also a very good 3pt shooter who would have scored more if needed.

[E_Stamkos]

They did fine without him and lost.

6 championships says who gives a shit about Horace Grant inflating his numbers en route to an asg.

What MJ did was win rings. That's all that matters in the end.

[FromDowntown]

They did fine without him and lost.

6 championships says who gives a shit about Horace Grant inflating his numbers en route to an asg.

What MJ did was win rings. WITH PIPPEN That's all that matters in the end.

In 5 years he won 1 playoff game without Pippen. What MJ did was win WITH PIPPEN

[Roundball_Rock]

That is the argument we sometimes hear from MJ fans: Pippen, Grant weren't good in 93' but had career years in 94'. One guy earlier today said Pippen, Grant "played so badly" in 93' but had career years in 94' (he forgot BJ). This was supposed to be an argument for MJ but it is a pretty damning implication.

I don't think MJ made his teammates worse. He just hurt their recognition because he got almost all the credit. However, many of MJ's own fans appear to argue he made them worse.


They did fine without him and lost.

What did MJ win without Pippen, Grant or Pippen, Rodman (Grant's eventual replacement)? Two-way street, no?

[BigShotBob]

That is the argument we sometimes hear from MJ fans: Pippen, Grant weren't good in 93' but had career years in 94'. One guy earlier today said Pippen, Grant "played so badly" in 93' but had career years in 94' (he forgot BJ). This was supposed to be an argument for MJ but it is a pretty damning implication.

I don't think MJ made his teammates worse. He just hurt their recognition because he got almost all the credit. However, many of MJ's own fans appear to argue he made them worse.



What did MJ win without Pippen, Grant?

MVP, Scoring Titles, DPOY......nothing special :oldlol:

[E_Stamkos]

In 5 years he won 1 playoff game without Pippen. What MJ did was win WITH PIPPEN

Yes. You need good teammates to help you win in sports. Very good, dipshit.

What happened to your boy last year? Couldn't even sniff the playoffs.

[FromDowntown]

Yes. You need teammates to help you win in sports. Very good, dipshit.

What happened to your boy last year. Couldn't even sniff the playoffs.

Injury. Breathe. Calm down emotional lesbian :oldlol:

Done getting ethered?

[E_Stamkos]

Injury. Breathe. Calm down emotional lesbian :oldlol:

Done getting ethered?

You couldn't ether lace me if your name was Godson, baby boy.

They were well in playoff contention upon returning from injury you little canned food skidmark.

[Vino24]

MJ could have optimized team offense and win games quite handily had he didn’t feel the need to score that much more than Pippen.

[Micku]

MJ could have optimized team offense and win games quite handily had he didn’t feel the need to score that much more than Pippen.

They were the best offense in the league cuz of MJ. At least a large part for multiple years in their title run.