Kemba "better than Kyrie" Walker with 5 points on 2/11 shooting in 52 minutes

[ImKobe]

:(

[starface]

5 more points than Kyrie gave his team these playoffs :(

[BigtimeNBAFan]

Kyrie was absolutely awful last year in the ECSF against Milwaukee.

[ImKobe]

Boston better not lose in the 2nd round again... what's the excuse then? Does Tatum throw a fit & have Kemba traded?

[CTbasketball92]

Kyrie was absolutely awful last year in the ECSF against Milwaukee.

Much different situations. Kemba is playing with a Tatum who has become a two-way, playmaking All-NBA wing and an all-star level two-way wing and a healthy Marcus Smart who's averaging 16/5/7 on very good efficiency. For reference, Kemba is now averaging 17.5/6/4. Last year, Tatum and Brown were much worse players and Smart was only available, in an obviously diminished way, for two games.

Kyrie definitely played bad outside of game 1 and maybe game 3 last year, but make no mistake, these are not similar situations at all. 2/11 in a closeout game in a role where you can even be the 3rd option and you there are multiple playmakers and scorers is pretty bad. Kyrie I don't think even had a game like that, and when he was playing he was the unambiguous No. 1 option.


Anyways, Kemba was never a better player, but his demeanor and attitude and frankly make him kind of an upgrade. I'll take a healthy Kyrie over him anyday regardless of attitude stuff though.

[GrayGoat]

Kyrie didn’t get to a game 7 in the 2nd round when he did play for the Celtics. Kemba has already made it further in his first post season

[tpols]

Kemba doesn't have anywhere near the basketball skillset of kyrie... long shooting, midrange, post, finishing in every different way tear drops, and reverses from every angle. He's a poor mans Irving, but less of a headcase, better leader.

[GrayGoat]

Kemba doesn't have anywhere near the basketball skillset of kyrie... long shooting, midrange, post, finishing in every different way tear drops, and reverses from every angle. He's a poor mans Irving, but less of a headcase, better leader.

He doesn’t over dribble like Kyrie. Unlike Kyrie Celtics still have a chance to win when Kemba puts up a shit game.

[MaxPlayer]

Boston better not lose in the 2nd round again... what's the excuse then? Does Tatum throw a fit & have Kemba traded?

I mean, Tatum is 22 and Brown is 23. Their future is still extremely bright. 2nd round was probably about what should have been expected for them this year tbh.

[Roundball_Rock]

Much different situations. Kemba is playing with a Tatum who has become a two-way, playmaking All-NBA wing and an all-star level two-way wing and a healthy Marcus Smart who's averaging 16/5/7 on very good efficiency. For reference, Kemba is now averaging 17.5/6/4. Last year, Tatum and Brown were much worse players and Smart was only available, in an obviously diminished way, for two games.

That is the trend: players magically improving when Kyrie is removed from the equation. Now Kyrie being a cancer is being used as an argument against Kemba?


Kyrie didn’t get to a game 7 in the 2nd round when he did play for the Celtics. Kemba has already made it further in his first post season

With a team that made it to Game 7 of the ECF the year before without Kyrie. ECF in 17', 18', and probably 20'. I wonder what was different about 19'? :confusedshrug:


5 more points than Kyrie gave his team these playoffs

Or the Celtics in the 18' playoffs. He hasn't played at all in 2 of the 3 most recent playoffs and in 15' missed almost all the finals. He is hurt every single year--you just have to hope it happens in December and not in April-June. The one good thing about him being hurt every year is every year we get significant sample sizes of his team's performance without him. At best you get something like 16', where the Cavs record stayed the same with or without him. We know the story of the last 3 years.

Kemba is 20/4/5 on 60% TS for the playoffs.
Kyrie was 21/4/7 on 49% TS in the 19' PO and worse in the ECSF.

Kema is giving equal or better production without crushing the play of teammates like Tatum, Brown. It is easy to see why Boston improved so much.

This shouldn't be a surprise. Boston played better with Terry Rozier and Brooklyn with Dinwiddie. Walker is an all-NBA caliber player and perennial all-star and much better than either.

[GrayGoat]

What’s are Celtics excuse? How about losing a valuable playmaker and a 20ppg scorer in Hayward? Celtics are a lot more predictable

[KD7]

Better leader doe :lol

It's an insult to even compare that bum to Godrie

[GrayGoat]

Better leader doe :lol

It's an insult to even compare that bum to Godrie

Nets made the playoffs without him too

[Wally450]

Better leader doe :lol

It's an insult to even compare that bum to Godrie

If you look up your posts, last year you were saying Kyrie wasn't even as good as Kemba. :lol

But Kemba does need to be better. % points is unacceptable.

[Derka]

There's absolutely no excuse for Kemba's poor performance so far. Toronto's playing good D but he should still be better than this.

[Roundball_Rock]

Nets made the playoffs without him too

The Celtics were in Game 7 of the ECF without him but got crushed in the second round the next year in 5 games with him.

[Lil-Shrimp]

Kemba is such a loser :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

The Celtics were in Game 7 of the ECF without him but got crushed in the second round the next year in 5 games with him.

2018 Cavs = 2019 Bucks

:facepalm

[ronniec]

What’s are Celtics excuse? How about losing a valuable playmaker and a 20ppg scorer in Hayward? Celtics are a lot more predictable

Kemba works hard, Kemba does not bring controversy, Kemba works well with the team.

There is no excuses, if they win they win, if they lose, which means they are not good enough as a team. Single Kemba or Hayward out is plain stupid.

Having a mentally unstable and injury prone Kyrie does not carry you far in the playoff anyway. He is gone, Celtics fans had already moved on. Why bring Kyrie back in all Celtics discussion anyway?

Kemba had a poor shooting night last night, that's it. Move on.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He always gets picked on defensively. Tatum doesn't seem to like playing with him. He's basically Irving 2.0 but a worse scorer and not a nutcase.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

The Celtics were in Game 7 of the ECF without him but got crushed in the second round the next year in 5 games with him.

Giannis bucks were a better team then 2018 cavs though, especially when Brogdon was still around. 2018 cavs were even taken to 7 by Pacers with Oladipo!

[HBK_Kliq_2]

2018 Cavs = 2019 Bucks

:facepalm

Irving instead of Kemba and I think they would of already finished off the craptors. Double OT game where both teams kept choking, Irving would of made a clutch shot to seal the win.

[Roundball_Rock]

Giannis bucks were a better team then 2018 cavs though, especially when Brogdon was still around. 2018 cavs were even taken to 7 by Pacers with Oladipo!

That same Bucks team went down convincingly to a 5 seed this year. The Celtics had the opportunity. Most likely, 19' will be remembered as an outlier between making 3 ECF in 4 years or 5 in 7 or whatever the run winds up as (along with any finals or chips along the way).

[HBK_Kliq_2]

That same Bucks team went down convincingly to a 5 seed this year. The Celtics had the opportunity. Most likely, 19' will be remembered as an outlier between making 3 ECF in 4 years or 5 in 7 or whatever the run winds up as (along with any finals or chips along the way).

Butler paired with another borderline superstar and borderline all-star = superteam in playoffs

We saw that last year with 76ers and we are seeing that this year with heat.

2018 pacers = 2020 raptors

[ImKobe]

That same Bucks team went down convincingly to a 5 seed this year. The Celtics had the opportunity. Most likely, 19' will be remembered as an outlier between making 3 ECF in 4 years or 5 in 7 or whatever the run winds up as (along with any finals or chips along the way).

The difference is that the Heat had Bam/Crowder/Butler to throw at Giannis to slow him down, and his teammates didn't respond to the challenge (Middleton 4/25 in 4th quarters). Giannis put up 28/11/5 on 62%TS, replacing Kyrie with Kemba doesn't change that, he still dominates them inside. Tatum, Hayward and Rozier were even worse than Irving in the series.



Irving instead of Kemba and I think they would of already finished off the craptors. Double OT game where both teams kept choking, Irving would of made a clutch shot to seal the win.

I wouldn't bet against it, Irving wants the ball in crunch time when other guys run away from it.

[ZenMaster7210]

LOL at thinking Kemba is on Irving's level. Irving is a killer!

[HBK_Kliq_2]

The difference is that the Heat had Bam/Crowder/Butler to throw at Giannis to slow him down, and his teammates didn't respond to the challenge (Middleton 4/25 in 4th quarters). Giannis put up 28/11/5 on 62%TS, replacing Kyrie with Kemba doesn't change that, he still dominates them inside. Tatum, Hayward and Rozier were even worse than Irving in the series.




I wouldn't bet against it, Irving wants the ball in crunch time when other guys run away from it.

Bam also outplayed Giannis in that series. So pair that up with an elite top 7-10 player in Butler, a top 10 PG in Dragic. That's a superteam.

Bucks also got worse in playoffs by losing Brogdon.

I'm sure 2020 heat would crush the 2020 raptors and even hold their own with the 2019 raptors!

2020 heat are like a rich man's version of 2019 76ers because they are built better around Butler.

[ImKobe]

Bam also outplayed Giannis in that series. So pair that up with an elite top 7-10 player in Butler, a top 10 PG in Dragic. That's a superteam.

Bucks also got worse in playoffs by losing Brogdon.

I'm sure 2020 heat would crush the 2020 raptors and even hold their own with the 2019 raptors!

2020 heat are like a rich man's version of 2019 76ers because they are built better around Butler.

Yes, the Brogdon loss was huge, I don't see Giannis haters bringing that up and tbh I didn't immediately want to make that excuse either, but they would have done a lot better offensively if you just replaced Bledsoe with Malcolm.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Boston better not lose in the 2nd round again... what's the excuse then? Does Tatum throw a fit & have Kemba traded?

He always gets picked on defensively. Tatum doesn't seem to like playing with him. He's basically Irving 2.0 but a worse scorer and not a nutcase.
Where is this stuff even coming from?

[Roundball_Rock]

Butler paired with another borderline superstar and borderline all-star = superteam in playoffs

We saw that last year with 76ers and we are seeing that this year with heat.

2018 pacers = 2020 raptors

What do the Sixers have to do with the the 19' Celtics vs. the 20' Heat?

[scuzzy]

it all stems from insecurity


but lets count the hoops dudes flipping through to get where were at


Origin: OP

OP's <3 for Kobe

Lebron surpassing Kobe

to Lebron's 2017 teammate (kyrie)

to Lebrons 2017 teammates -> new 2018/19 teammates (celtics)

to Lebrons 2017 teammates -> new 2018/19 teammates -> their 2019 playoff roadblock (bucks)

to Lebrons 2017 teammates -> new 2018/19 teammates -> their 2019 playoff roadblock -> their 2020 playoff roadblock (heat)

to Lebrons 2017 teammates -> new 2018/19 teammates -> their 2019 playoff roadblock -> their 2020 playoff roadblock -> "Kemba better than Kyrie?"


all while comparing hypothetical roster variables and outcomes between 2019 Celtics vs 2019/20 Bucks vs 2020 Heat in one 3 page run on melt-a-bron


Mariana Trench deep rabbit hole of "this :blah that :blah this :blah that :blah"


all because...



https://i.postimg.cc/0QvmMJVT/reryhdrfhd.png

[Roundball_Rock]

it all stems from insecurity


but lets count the hoops dudes flipping through to get where were at


Origin: OP

OP's <3 for Kobe

Lebron surpassing Kobe

to Lebron's 2017 teammate (kyrie)

to Lebrons 2017 teammates -> new 2018/19 teammates (celtics)

to Lebrons 2017 teammates -> new 2018/19 teammates -> their 2019 playoff roadblock (bucks)

to Lebrons 2017 teammates -> new 2018/19 teammates -> their 2019 playoff roadblock -> their 2020 playoff roadblock (heat)

to Lebrons 2017 teammates -> new 2018/19 teammates -> their 2019 playoff roadblock -> their 2020 playoff roadblock -> "Kemba better than Kyrie?"


all while comparing hypothetical roster variables and outcomes between 2019 Celtics vs 2019/20 Bucks vs 2020 Heat in one 3 page run on melt-a-bron


Mariana Trench deep rabbit hole of "this :blah that :blah this :blah that :blah"


all because...



https://i.postimg.cc/0QvmMJVT/reryhdrfhd.png

It is pathetic, isn't it? All these BS being derived from MJ and Kobe agendas of players who have little or even zero to do with them in actuality.

[NBAGOAT]

i mean i agree kyrie is better than kemba even with last year's disaster. still think he's a bit overvalued. I dont want to see him put in dame's just because he has some bad playoff games because opponents sell out on trapping. even boston in 18 is better than any portland team imo

[ImKobe]

it all stems from insecurity





This stems from Irving being one of my favorite players and this forum constantly shitting on him after every bad shooting night, heck, even on great ones when his team loses. When the player who replaces him goes for 5 points on 2/11 shooting in a crucial Playoff game, no one even mentions it. That's why I made this thread. Why else would I make it? This has nothing to do with Lebron or Kobe, it has everything to do with ISH being obsessed with hating Kyrie.

[NBAGOAT]

This stems from Irving being one of my favorite players and this forum constantly shitting on him after every bad shooting night, heck, even on great ones when his team loses. When the player who replaces him goes for 5 points on 2/11 shooting in a crucial Playoff game, no one even mentions it. That's why I made this thread. Why else would I make it? This has nothing to do with Lebron or Kobe, it has everything to do with ISH being obsessed with hating Kyrie.

well last year was a disaster. not all his fault morris and rozier even stevens deserved plenty but he deserved some. it's obvious that he stifled tatum and brown a bit though not all his fault. Ainge is extremely high on those guys as the future, didnt consider trading them for kawhi or george and I question whether kyrie would taken a step back like kemba did the 2nd half of the year

[Roundball_Rock]

It stems from you being 3ball Junior and having the same agendas as your alpha.

[Meticode]

I feel that people over-react to a couple games too much making threads and crap. Yes, Walker had a bad game...but it's evident Walker is a way better fit for this Celtics team than Kyrie was his two years there. Tatum right now is unequivocally the best player on the Celtics. And Walker has zero issues taking a step back and letting him take majority of the shots on offense. Kyrie last year was averaging over 20 shots a game for the playoffs. This season in the playoffs Walker only shot 20 or higher shots in one game. So what does that say? It says the ball movement doesn't stop in Walker's hands and it makes the Celtics take less bad shots with Walker than they do with Kyrie. Also Walker is barely averaging over 2 turnovers a game in the playoffs, Kyrie was well over three.

He's struggling a little bit this round, He's playing against tough guards in Lowry and VanVleet. But overall he's not hurting the game like Kyrie was.

[ImKobe]

It stems from you being 3ball Junior and having the same agendas as your alpha.

I'm not THAT obsessed with Lebron vs. Jordan, I don't think it's particularly close when you compare the two anyways but his threads are entertaining. However, this has nothing to do with that. This is Kyrie vs. Kemba.


well last year was a disaster. not all his fault morris and rozier even stevens deserved plenty but he deserved some. it's obvious that he stifled tatum and brown a bit though not all his fault. Ainge is extremely high on those guys as the future, didnt consider trading them for kawhi or george and I question whether kyrie would taken a step back like kemba did the 2nd half of the year

It was a disaster. He played like shit in the 4 straight losses. Not that he forced up bad shots in all those games, he was bricking wide open jumpers. He definitely did not help the development of Tatum, I think Brown was fine in his role, they fit pretty well. I think Kyrie would have taken a step back, had Tatum actually played well last season, he didn't show many glimpses of what he's doing right now, he had a mediocre 2nd year, actually declined compared to his rookie season.

[NBAGOAT]

I'm not THAT obsessed with Lebron vs. Jordan, I don't think it's particularly close when you compare the two anyways but his threads are entertaining. However, this has nothing to do with that. This is Kyrie vs. Kemba.



It was a disaster. He played like shit in the 4 straight losses. Not that he forced up bad shots in all those games, he was bricking wide open jumpers. He definitely did not help the development of Tatum, I think Brown was fine in his role, they fit pretty well. I think Kyrie would have taken a step back, had Tatum actually played well last season, he didn't show many glimpses of what he's doing right now, he had a mediocre 2nd year, actually declined compared to his rookie season.

Yea that’s fair. Tatum made some huge improvements this year. Idk about brown, bos just saw him as a lot more than a 3 and D guy which is what he was last year or he wouldn’t be the main piece in any deal for a star. The fits fine but he needed more usage.

Edit: and I have said Kyrie isn’t that much more ball dominant than guys like lillard or kemba like he’s harden but there’s still an obvious gap. Pretty curious how he does in bkn where all their best players are ball handlers

[Roundball_Rock]

Name one time you disagreed with the MJ stan narrative...

[ImKobe]

Playoffs

Irving 2019 - 21/4/7 48.8%TS, 31%3PT
Kemba 2020 - 20/4/5 57.3%TS, 31%3PT

And remember, this is Irving without the level of production Kemba got from Brown and Tatum, yet Kyrie was this selfish ballhog who never passed the ball but averaged over 7 assists a game while Tatum was a 15 ppg scorer in the 2019 Playoffs. Their production is pretty equal here with Kemba being more efficient as a 2nd/3rd option on offense with 4 months of rest prior to the Playoffs vs. Irving getting all the defensive attention and playing a better defensive team in Milwaukee. So it's strange for me to come on ISH after the Celtics completely stink it up in close games all Playoffs with Kemba leading the charge and not seeing one thread on the front page about it vs. a certain group of posters making thread after thread on Irving the year before.

Hmm.

[scuzzy]

OP sprints on ISH to bump threads over Kemba leading Celtics further than Kyrie


Nowhere to be found during WCF and Lakers clinching the Finals :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Kemba didn't lead the Celtics to anything, he was terrible to close out the ECSF with Lowry outplaying him for most of the series. It's Tatum's team and it shows because their offense is god awful in the 4th with them blowing one close game after another and Kemba doesn't have the clutch gene.

[Basketball r Us]

Let me settle this argument once and for all..... Both of these players are equally terrible. Just regular season stars.

[CelticBaller]

Kyrie had a better team and couldn’t do shit

[AirTupac]

Ainge is a shit GM. What else is new.

[Wally450]

Kemba didn't lead the Celtics to anything, he was terrible to close out the ECSF with Lowry outplaying him for most of the series. It's Tatum's team and it shows because their offense is god awful in the 4th with them blowing one close game after another and Kemba doesn't have the clutch gene.

At least Kemba realized when he was playing like shit to defer to Tatum. Kyrie would've jacked up another 12-15 shots and completely ice out Tatum.

[AirTupac]

Boston fans are so stupid and racist

[ImKobe]

Kyrie had a better team and couldn’t do shit

In what universe? Tatum and Brown improved A LOT. Tatum had to go all out to carry them past a Raptors' squad that struggled on offense. Kemba had the luxury of being a 3rd option & still struggled in close-out games.


At least Kemba realized when he was playing like shit to defer to Tatum. Kyrie would've jacked up another 12-15 shots and completely ice out Tatum.


There's no "deferring" because Tatum's the #1 option by default, Kemba's #2 at times when his jumper's falling but it's clearly Tatum's & Brown's team after they were barely starter-level players last year. Oh yes, but now you're going to tell me that Kemba makes them better by standing in the corner or dribbling out the clock when he has the ball in late-game situations.

If you watched the series last year (I detailed those games out already) vs. Milwaukee, Boston didn't lose because Irving shot them out of those games in the 4th, they lost because the Bucks went on runs in the 3rd quarter to build a lead and they had no answer for Giannis. Kemba's not a better defender nor a playmaker than Irving. It's just hilarious how many excuses y'all make for him when he played just as badly as Irving did last year, only that Tatum carried him past the semis, only for Walker to come up short in 4th quarters again.


Kemba was 9/25 in 4th quarters in the ECF. Pathetic.

[HoopsNY]

It's very simple; people shit on Kyrie in order to prop up LeBron. And at the same time, people overly praise Kyrie in order to shit on LeBron. The reality is somewhere in the middle. Kyrie is an excellent player, but a head case that needs to compliment a #1 option. It will be interesting to see how him and KD work together next season, especially given that the Nets made the playoffs without the both of them this season.

[AirTupac]

Celtics made their own bed. You trade away your franchise players, you dump a runner up MVP because of an injury, then franchise players won't play for you.

It's not difficult to comprehend. Boston fans are just blind and stupid.

[CelticBaller]

In what universe? Tatum and Brown improved A LOT.

Oh yeah what did Tatum and Brown average in the 2018 playoffs again?

Kyrie had 2 20 ppg scorers, he had a Morris twin who averaged 10+, he had Hayward who didn’t play in these playoffs, he had Smart, Rozier, Baynes, Horford and on top of that himself who apparently is better than Kemba

How is that not a better team?

[Kblaze8855]

Playoffs

Irving 2019 - 21/4/7 48.8%TS, 31%3PT
Kemba 2020 - 20/4/5 57.3%TS, 31%3PT

And remember, this is Irving without the level of production Kemba got from Brown and Tatum, yet Kyrie was this selfish ballhog who never passed the ball but averaged over 7 assists a game while Tatum was a 15 ppg scorer in the 2019 Playoffs. Their production is pretty equal here with Kemba being more efficient as a 2nd/3rd option on offense with 4 months of rest prior to the Playoffs vs. Irving getting all the defensive attention and playing a better defensive team in Milwaukee. So it's strange for me to come on ISH after the Celtics completely stink it up in close games all Playoffs with Kemba leading the charge and not seeing one thread on the front page about it vs. a certain group of posters making thread after thread on Irving the year before.

Hmm.


This is such a weird post. You post evidence Kemba played better than Kyrie...they went back to the conference finals....and you post it like a negative?

You never heard Kemba was more talented than Kyrie you hear Kyrie is crazy and detrimental to chemistry neither of which was disproven by anything that happened the last few years or this one.

Everyone had Kemba behind Kyrie as a talent....but reports were the team played together better and had better chemistry. And they went from second round losers while Kyrie played terribly to apparently being so good you think not being in the finals justifies a victory lap and reason to post Kembas numbers which were better than Kyries?


Just all around weird post. This is more fitting of a bump from someone who hates Kyrie I’d say.

[Wally450]

Kemba was 9/25 in 4th quarters in the ECF. Pathetic.

What's Kyrie's numbers in the ECF for the Celtics? Oh wait, we never got there because he shot us out of the ECSF.

[ImKobe]

This is such a weird post. You post evidence Kemba played better than Kyrie...they went back to the conference finals....and you post it like a negative?

You never heard Kemba was more talented than Kyrie you hear Kyrie is crazy and detrimental to chemistry neither of which was disproven by anything that happened the last few years or this one.

Everyone had Kemba behind Kyrie as a talent....but reports were the team played together better and had better chemistry. And they went from second round losers while Kyrie played terribly to apparently being so good you think not being in the finals justifies a victory lap and reason to post Kembas numbers which were better than Kyries?


Just all around weird post. This is more fitting of a bump from someone who hates Kyrie I’d say.

He didn't play better, he played just as badly. Their numbers are on par with both shooting just as badly from 3 with Kyrie missing more 2s, but playing more of a PG role than Kemba.

The "Kyrie is a cancer" argument is based on nothing but last year's loss to the #1 seed and MVP in the Playoffs, so he's a cancer because they failed to beat the favorite? So he gets no credit for coming up big in a title run vs. Kemba never doing shit in the NBA Playoffs?

I'm just asking for consistency here.

[AirTupac]

What's Kyrie's numbers in the ECF for the Celtics? Oh wait, we never got there because he shot us out of the ECSF.


Boston celebrating banners. Shut uppppp idiot.

[CelticBaller]

He didn't play better, he played just as badly. Their numbers are on par with both shooting just as badly from 3 with Kyrie missing more 2s, but playing more of a PG role than Kemba.

The "Kyrie is a cancer" argument is based on nothing but last year's loss to the #1 seed and MVP in the Playoffs, so he's a cancer because they failed to beat the favorite? So he gets no credit for coming up big in a title run vs. Kemba never doing shit in the NBA Playoffs?

I'm just asking for consistency here.

No because Kyrie had the greatest player of all time in his team

Kyrie as a leader with a better team than Kemba didn’t do shit

[ImKobe]

What's Kyrie's numbers in the ECF for the Celtics? Oh wait, we never got there because he shot us out of the ECSF.

Yeah, because they were favorites and it was an upset that they lost to the #1 seed with the league MVP in a series where they had no one to guard him. Guess what, they lost to the #5 seed this year. Lowry and Dragic both outplayed Kemba in these series. Dragic wasn't even a starter this year and he's 33.. A 20 y.o rookie in Tyler Herro outplayed Kemba too..


No because Kyrie had the greatest player of all time in his team

Kyrie as a leader with a better team than Kemba didn’t do shit

Kemba wasn't a "leader" this year, he was a 2nd/3rd best player and got outplayed by Lowry/Dragic in ECSF & ECF.

[AirTupac]

Ainge had the opportunities to sign and trade for so many superstars. AD included. Instead he got 5'7 Kemba and Hayward. GOOD JOB BRO.

[CelticBaller]

Yeah, because they were favorites and it was an upset that they lost to the #1 seed with the league MVP in a series where they had no one to guard him. Guess what, they lost to the #5 seed this year. Lowry and Dragic both outplayed Kemba in these series. Dragic wasn't even a starter this year and he's 33.. A 20 y.o rookie in Tyler Herro outplayed Kemba too..

Kemba wasn't a "leader" this year, he was a 2nd/3rd best player and got outplayed by Lowry/Dragic in ECSF & ECF.

If Kyrie had any brains he wouldn’t had been the leader of that 2019 team either

[Akeem34TheDream]

Kyrie Irving and Paul George. OP's two favorite players.

[Stanley Kobrick]

i'll take kemba over kyrie on my team any day of the week. kyrie had the much better team last year and fell short. kemba on the other hand exceeded expectations

[GrayGoat]

Kemba at least isn’t injured meanwhile Kyrie is a perennial bench warmer

[AirTupac]

i'll take kemba over kyrie on my team any day of the week. kyrie had the much better team last year and fell short. kemba on the other hand exceeded expectations


Kemba did not exceed expectations moron. Thats why its funny. All he had to do was in come and score and bring up the ball. But waittttt playoffs means increased defense and became useless. Who could have foreseen that a 5'7 player would be useless in the playoffs. Ainge is smart.

[Stanley Kobrick]

Kemba at least isn’t injured meanwhile Kyrie is a perennial bench warmer
i agree with you graygoat. i'll take kemba over kyrie because he participates and doesn't destroy locker rooms. hats off to celtics for exceeding expectations

[Kblaze8855]

He didn't play better, he played just as badly. Their numbers are on par with both shooting just as badly from 3 with Kyrie missing more 2s, but playing more of a PG role than Kemba.

The "Kyrie is a cancer" argument is based on nothing but last year's loss to the #1 seed and MVP in the Playoffs, so he's a cancer because they failed to beat the favorite? So he gets no credit for coming up big in a title run vs. Kemba never doing shit in the NBA Playoffs?

I'm just asking for consistency here.


Id imagine it’s also based on his missing the playoffs and his team making the ecf year before last.

That said I almost never hear it from non trolls. What I have heard from people(including people covering the Celtics) is that Kyrie has a personality that’s hard to mesh with while Kemba doesn’t and the players themselves noticed.

Theres nothing to justify your apparent crusade. Especially when the team does appear to perform better. Kyrie being more talented does not make him a better fit everywhere. Basketball never worked that way and never will.

[KD7]

Walmart Kyrie :lol

[Lil-Shrimp]

Walmart Kyrie :lol

:oldlol:

[GrayGoat]

Walmart Kyrie :lol

Kyrie is a bench warmer these days. Even a “Walmart Kyrie” is a better buy. Facts boi

[KD7]

Kyrie is a bench warmer these days. Even a “Walmart Kyrie” is a better buy. Facts boi
Kyrie is the best point guard in the NBA when healthy :facepalm

[Gudo]

Kyrie is the best point guard in the NBA when healthy :facepalm

Whats the point if he only plays 60% of the time

[warriorfan]

He didn't play better, he played just as badly. Their numbers are on par with both shooting just as badly from 3 with Kyrie missing more 2s, but playing more of a PG role than Kemba.

The "Kyrie is a cancer" argument is based on nothing but last year's loss to the #1 seed and MVP in the Playoffs, so he's a cancer because they failed to beat the favorite? So he gets no credit for coming up big in a title run vs. Kemba never doing shit in the NBA Playoffs?

I'm just asking for consistency here.

Legitimate point. Situations were not the same. Plus Boston’s young team gets another season to improve.

[WhiteKyrie]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:facepalm

[RRR3]

Does anyone think Tatum would be this good if Kyrie was still there?


There’s your answer.

[ImKobe]

Does anyone think Tatum would be this good if Kyrie was still there?


There’s your answer.

Oh yes, Tatum never develops as a player if Irving stays.



Kemba is a little less ball-dominant than Irving but that wouldn't stop Tatum from being a better player.

[CelticBaller]

Kemba is a little less ball-dominant than Irving but that wouldn't stop Tatum from being a better player.

Except it did, Brown and Tatum regressed to the point where people though Ainge was an idiot for paying Brown

You included

[AirTupac]

Except it did, Brown and Tatum regressed to the point where people though Ainge was an idiot for paying Brown

You included


Shut ur trash franchise up bitchhhhh boy. Make like the Celtics and scram.

[RRR3]

Except it did, Brown and Tatum regressed to the point where people though Ainge was an idiot for paying Brown

You included
High IQ post. ImBraindead needs to let go of this Kyrie shtick, it’s massively clear that the Celtics are better off with Kemba, regardless of who’s more talented.

[KD7]

Oh yes, Tatum never develops as a player if Irving stays.



Kemba is a little less ball-dominant than Irving but that wouldn't stop Tatum from being a better player.

Kyrie haters are so idiotic.

Tatum would have gotten good regardless of Kyrie.

Celtics would be in the finals right now if they still had Kyrie. Kemba sucks, Boston wouldn't have collapsed the way they did last night if Kyrie was still there

[LAVAR BALL]

So Let me get this straight:
2018 Season: tatum shows potential close to Kyrie
Kyrie get Injured
2018 Playoff: Tatum Explode in the face of the world, help Boston go to ECF where he plays great against Lebron and the Cavs
2019: close to Kyrie, Tatum ,seems to regress. Pplayoffs are an utter Failure, Locker room chemistry is bad and Kyrie shoot 30% and suggest he should shoot more
2019-2020: No Kyrie: Tatum explode to play as an All-Star level

And some people think Kyrie's presence didn't slow down Tatum's explosiions? Facts are facts: Tatum regressed when Kyrie was here and exploded when he left

Be Ready to see Caris Levert and Spencer Dimwiddie stagnate next yar as KD will be the only one allowed to shoot more than Kyrie

[ImKobe]

Except it did, Brown and Tatum regressed to the point where people though Ainge was an idiot for paying Brown

You included

And how is that Irving's fault, exactly? You think Tatum wasn't doing most of the same stuff last year? The main difference is that he's shooting half as many long 2s and upped his 3PT volume and his 3PT% has improved as he's worked on his shot, that's what happens to players. Did Kawhi make Siakam a worse player last year? No, Siakam simply improved in the off-season and they gave him more touches so he became an all-star. Same thing with BI on the Lakers vs. BI on the Pelicans. Lebron didn't make Ingram worse, it's just less touches and young players with star potential get better over time.

[CelticBaller]

And how is that Irving's fault, exactly?

Kyrie hogs the ball, Kemba doesn't.


You think Tatum wasn't doing most of the same stuff last year?
Kyrie relegated Tatum to a spot up shooter. What you see Tatum doing right now is basically what he was doing in 2018. Only difference is he has added a passing game and is now getting free throw calls.


The main difference is that he's shooting half as many long 2s and upped his 3PT volume

Yeah because in Kyrie's game Tatum wasn't allowed to score as much. Kemba doesn't care.


Did Kawhi make Siakam a worse player last year?

Kawhi and Kyrie play two different styles. It's like comparing Marbury with Pierce or Ray Allen.


Lebron didn't make Ingram worse, it's just less touches and young players with star potential get better over time.

Again, comparing wayyy 2 different players. LeBron is a natural passer, Kyrie isn't.


The fact remains that Brown and Tatum went from borderline 20 ppg scorer on good efficiency to 15 ppg scorers on bad efficiency

[red1]

kyrie was weak with the celtics. nothing can change that. he literally chucked them out of games. he's lucky he has kd to carry him now.

[Axe]

Kyrie is the best point guard in the NBA when healthy :facepalm
I guess i can take him over stephen curry any day

[Wally450]

I just can't believe this dude is still defending Kyrie's run with the Celtics.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I just can't believe this dude is still defending Kyrie's run with the Celtics.
He's bitter about something. Not sure what.

[KD7]

Kyrie hogs the ball, Kemba doesn't.


Kemba literally averaged a higher time of possession this year than Kyrie did on the Celtics :facepalm

Kyrie also averaged way more assists than Kemba

Stop deluding yourself, Loston fans acting like Kyrie was worse than he actually was

[KD7]

kyrie was weak with the celtics. nothing can change that. he literally chucked them out of games. he's lucky he has kd to carry him now.
Hayward & Tatum both shot terribly as well against the Bucks

But yeah let's just blame Kyrie

[red1]

Hayward & Tatum both shot terribly as well against the Bucks

But yeah let's just blame Kyrie

actually yes. we will blame kyrie. he was bad.

[NBAGOAT]

I actually get the Tatum argument from imkobe since he caused some of his regression himself what about brown? He’s the one imo who benefits from kemba being more unselfish than Kyrie.

Kyrie doesn’t settle for being the 3rd scorer a bunch of games and he just dribbles so much more than kemba who attacks quickly now and is happy to be a spot up guy. Hayward wouldn’t have had as much a bounce back year either.

[RRR3]

He's bitter about something. Not sure what.
He’s bitter about LeBron being better than Kobe. That literally explains almost all of his posts btw. He thinks if he talks Kyrie up it makes LeBron look worse.

[NBAGOAT]

He’s bitter about LeBron being better than Kobe. That literally explains almost all of his posts btw. He thinks if he talks Kyrie up it makes LeBron look worse.

he and others are going be putting a lot of stock into the nets next year. Think that's risky

[CelticBaller]

Kemba literally averaged a higher time of possession this year than Kyrie did on the Celtics :facepalm

Kyrie also averaged way more assists than Kemba

Stop deluding yourself, Loston fans acting like Kyrie was worse than he actually was

Kyrie had a higher usg%

but sure keep deluding yourself. It doesn't really matter as you root for half the league anyways. Kyrie winning or not has no effect on you