Would prime Kawhi/Manu be the greatest duo of all time?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Would prime Kawhi/Manu be the greatest duo of all time?

Young Kawhi and old Manu were the two best players by net rating during spurs 2013/2014 finals runs. Two tough badass mother****ers in playoffs. They also compliment each other perfectly. They would of been a modern day Jordan/Pippen.

[E_Stamkos]

I fuggin miss Manu Ginobli man

[imdaman99]

No. Not even close and I like both them guys.

[KD7]

They wouldn't even be the best duo today :oldlol:

LeBron & AD, KD & Kyrie

[Ghost1]

https://i.imgur.com/U0eyE2P.gif

[Akeem34TheDream]

I think prime Kawhi&Duncan duo would be close.

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Would prime Kawhi/Manu be the greatest duo of all time?

Young Kawhi and old Manu were the two best players by net rating during spurs 2013/2014 finals runs. Two tough badass mother****ers in playoffs. They also compliment each other perfectly. They would of been a modern day Jordan/Pippen.

Kawhi isn't as good as Jordan was, and Manu is not a good enough all-around player to compare to Pippen.

A better comparison would be like Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I think prime Kawhi&Duncan duo would be close.

Duncan would just ruin the offense with all his post ups. If there's anybody I want posting up, it's Kawhi and not Duncan. Manu is also a way better passer then Duncan. The synergy with Kawhi/Manu also seemed better.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi isn't as good as Jordan was, and Manu is not a good enough all-around player to compare to Pippen.

A better comparison would be like Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars.

Kawhi had 732 points on 62% TS during a title run. When did Jordan do that?

Manu led the playoffs in VORP during a title run. When did Pippen do that?

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Kawhi had 732 points on 62% TS during a title run. When did Jordan do that?

Manu led the playoffs in VORP during a title run. When did Pippen do that?

No one cares about VORP. They do care about defense, though. Because it wins championships.

Kawhi had a nice run in the playoffs once. Good for him. But we both know he's not on Jordan's level.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

No one cares about VORP. They do care about defense, though. Because it wins championships.

Kawhi had a nice run in the playoffs once. Good for him. But we both know he's not on Jordan's level.

Manu was spurs best defender during their 2005 title run.

[Dbrog]

The delusion is honestly just sad at this point. Maybe OP is the HBK that was high on painkillers in the late 90s? :oldlol:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

The delusion is honestly just sad at this point. Maybe OP is the HBK that was high on painkillers in the late 90s? :oldlol:

Manu won gold for a non American team and also led an NBA title team in VORP. No other player in the history of basketball has ever done that. You need to educate yourself. While you were busy watching Mr and Mrs Smith, Manu was being a basketball god.

[tpols]

Kobe/Shaq is the GOAT duo.

Also, you can't compare manu to a "pippen"... manu is an alpha dog offensive player. They aint the same.

[Smoke117]

Not even close.

[Dbrog]

Manu won gold for a non American team and also led an NBA title team in VORP. No other player in the history of basketball has ever done that. You need to educate yourself. While you were busy watching Mr and Mrs Smith, Manu was being a basketball god.

Hey that was a good movie though. Jolie getting her clothes blown off by guns!

[tpols]

Also, it needs to be pointed out that this "GOAT duo" of Manu & Kawhi choked away the 2013 NBA championship.

Up 5 with under 30 seconds left... with like a 95% probability to win it all at that point, both of them choked on FT's leading to this...


https://airalamo.com/wp-content/uploads/getty-images/2017/07/170834663.jpeg


A GOAT duo doesn't pull that type of stunt.

[r0drig0lac]

Manu won gold for a non American team and also led an NBA title team in VORP. No other player in the history of basketball has ever done that. You need to educate yourself. While you were busy watching Mr and Mrs Smith, Manu was being a basketball god.

:lol

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Also, it needs to be pointed out that this "GOAT duo" of Manu & Kawhi choked away the 2013 NBA championship.

Up 5 with under 30 seconds left... with like a 95% probability to win it all at that point, both of them choked on FT's leading to this...


https://airalamo.com/wp-content/uploads/getty-images/2017/07/170834663.jpeg


A GOAT duo doesn't pull that type of stunt.

Pippen missed some critical freethrows as well vs pacers remember they talked about it on last dance? They just had Jordan to still win it for them. Meanwhile, Kawhi and Manu had Duncan. What does Duncan do? He misses a wide open layup late game 7.

Kawhi/Manu were the main reasons they were in the finals.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kobe/Shaq is the GOAT duo.

Also, you can't compare manu to a "pippen"... manu is an alpha dog offensive player. They aint the same.

He's an alpha but he generally comes off the bench, so that brings him down to Pippen level.

Shaq/Kobe can't be the goat duo when they had embarrassing finals losses

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Hey that was a good movie though. Jolie getting her clothes blown off by guns!

Jolie is hot we agree on one thing. But dude, you need to dig deeper into the 2005 playoffs. Manu was carrying Duncan. Duncan was dragging his bum ankle around and throwing up bricks vs pistons

[Dbrog]

All jokes aside, I'll just leave this here. Guess who the foul was on which lost the series?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE73N0Nbjhw

[HBK_Kliq_2]

All jokes aside, I'll just leave this here. Guess who the foul was on which lost the series?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE73N0Nbjhw

Spurs were holding teams to a 105 offensive rating with Manu in 2006 playoffs and a 120 offensive rating without Manu in 2006 playoffs. Somehow it was Manu's fault they lost?

Lol you did the same thing as tpols: take a series when Tony Parker plays all series and blame Manu or Kawhi for 1 play

Duncan was getting killed by mavs offense all series, slow and unplayable. Manu averaged 21PPG on 64% TS.

[tpols]

All jokes aside, I'll just leave this here. Guess who the foul was on which lost the series?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE73N0Nbjhw

:lol

And remember when neither kawhi nor manu step up to the plate to guard chris paul in the 2015 first round getting bounced as defending champions?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkpv8Qv_x_U

Kawhi also missed the GW on the other end after CP3 iced him. Double choke.

HBK needs a history lesson on all the chokes.

There's a reason the spurs could never repeat.

[Roundball_Rock]

He's an alpha but he generally comes off the bench, so that brings him down to Pippen level.

These players are equal?

All-NBA: Pippen 7, Manu 2
All-NBA 1st: Pippen 3, Manu 0
All-NBA 1st/2nd: Pippen 5, Manu 0
Top 5 MVP: Pippen 2, Manu 0
Top 10 MVP: Pippen 5, Manu 2
All-star: Pippen 7, Manu 2

"Alpha" at what? This shows how useless these terms are. They are basketball players who play 5 at a time on a court, not a pack of wolves.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

:lol

And remember when neither kawhi nor manu step up to the plate to guard chris paul in the 2015 first round getting bounced as defending champions?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkpv8Qv_x_U

Kawhi also missed the GW on the other end after CP3 iced him. Double choke.

HBK needs a history lesson on all the chokes.

There's a reason the spurs could never repeat.

Old ass Duncan couldn't repeat, that's his problem. Kawhi is 9 wins away from a repeat now and about to do it.

No shame in losing to Chris Paul by 1 shot without home court advantage. He's considered a top 5 GOAT pg by many. Durant Curry warriors were also down 2-3 to Chris Paul.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

These players are equal?

All-NBA: Pippen 7, Manu 2
All-NBA 1st: Pippen 3, Manu 0
All-NBA 1st/2nd: Pippen 5, Manu 0
Top 5 MVP: Pippen 2, Manu 0
Top 10 MVP: Pippen 5, Manu 2
All-star: Pippen 7, Manu 2

"Alpha" at what? This shows how useless these terms are. They are basketball players who play 5 at a time on a court, not a pack of wolves.

All nba is a lot of the time a popularity contest. Manu wasn't popular because his 6th man gimmick and also how boring Tim Duncan was. Duncan's popularity is like 20x worse then Jordan. If Manu was next to Jordan and not Duncan, he would be a lot more popular like Pippen.

Alpha is being dominant in playoffs, that's how I look at it. You would have to ask TPOLS how he would define it. As far as playoffs, Manu was more alpha/dominant in 2005 then Pippen ever was.

[insidious301]

Manu was more alpha/dominant in 2005 then Pippen ever was.

By what measure?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

By what measure?

By any measure. Manu was just more used to being an alpha because he was one on his gold medal team. Pippen was playing with like 9 different alphas during his gold medal.

That translates to the NBA as well. Manu was over 26% usage in his 2005 title run. Pippen during the 3peat averaged just 23.4% usage.

Manu is also playing next to a much less alpha superstar in Duncan vs the Jordan the ultimate alpha.

Manu was pretty much the alpha on his entire team from 2005-2011. You can't ever say that for Pippen.

[rmt]

Spurs were holding teams to a 105 offensive rating with Manu in 2006 playoffs and a 120 offensive rating without Manu in 2006 playoffs. Somehow it was Manu's fault they lost?

Lol you did the same thing as tpols: take a series when Tony Parker plays all series and blame Manu or Kawhi for 1 play

Duncan was getting killed by mavs offense all series, slow and unplayable. Manu averaged 21PPG on 64% TS.

Enough of this revisionist history - I'd like to know which unplayable person averages 41.5 minutes per game, and it was definitely Manu's fault that they lost. All he had to do was let Dirk have his two points instead of fouling him for the and 1. In one of the most boneheaded plays in NBA playoffs, he decides to try to play the hero and block a 7 footer at the basket - so STUPID.

2006 Playoffs vs Mavs
Duncan 32.3 pts 11.7 rebs 3.7 asst 2.6 blks 55.6%FG
Manu 21.3 pts 4.3 rebs 1.9 asst 2.3 stl 48.9%FG

[insidious301]

By any measure. Manu was just more used to being an alpha because he was one on his gold medal team. Pippen was playing with like 9 different alphas during his gold medal.

That translates to the NBA as well. Manu was over 26% usage in his 2005 title run. Pippen during the 3peat averaged just 23.4% usage.

Manu is also playing next to a much less alpha superstar in Duncan vs the Jordan the ultimate alpha.

Manu was pretty much the alpha on his entire team from 2005-2011. You can't ever say that for Pippen.

I see a lot of "alpha" adjectives and nothing else. What made him better exactly? Numbers? Which ones?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I see a lot of "alpha" adjectives and nothing else. What made him better exactly? Numbers? Which ones?

Manu's 2005 playoff run has superior BPM, VORP, TS, win share 48, also more jaw dropping lineup data.

I love Pippen and all but he might of met his match, white Pippen player pretty much.

[rmt]

All nba is a lot of the time a popularity contest. Manu wasn't popular because his 6th man gimmick and also how boring Tim Duncan was. Duncan's popularity is like 20x worse then Jordan. If Manu was next to Jordan and not Duncan, he would be a lot more popular like Pippen.

Alpha is being dominant in playoffs, that's how I look at it. You would have to ask TPOLS how he would define it. As far as playoffs, Manu was more alpha/dominant in 2005 then Pippen ever was.

Make up your mind - if All-NBA is a popularity contest and Duncan is so boring, why did he make 15 All-NBA teams?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Make up your mind - if All-NBA is a popularity contest and Duncan is so boring, why did he make 15 All-NBA teams?

Duncan still had enough star power because he was the #1 pick and finals MVP at a young age in 1999. Manu was a late 2nd rounder, got robbed of his 2005 finals MVP and had the "6th man" label all working against his star power.

[insidious301]

Manu's 2005 playoff run has superior BPM, VORP, TS, win share 48, also more jaw dropping lineup data.

I love Pippen and all but he might of met his match, white Pippen player pretty much.

Fair enough. Pippen in 1996 and 1992 during the playoffs was in that tier however. Similar VORP and not too behind in BPM. On defense though Pippen killed Manu. This makes the comparison a bit closer than you are selling. Go ahead and take Manu though, no denying he was spectacular that run.

[Roundball_Rock]

I see a lot of "alpha" adjectives and nothing else. What made him better exactly? Numbers? Which ones?

It means nothing, a cute way for people to say they simply like one guy better. The most recent all-time list had Pippen #21, Manu #58. We keep going down these ridiculous rabbit holes comparing different tiers of players. Manu was 21/6/4 in his best PO run. Pippen was 22/9/6/3 while playing both ends of the floor with tougher defensive rules. Manu was 13/5/3 and 9/4/3 before the rules changes.

Amare 25/12. Duncan like numbers. Amare>Duncan or Amare=Duncan right? Or KG-like.

Manu was so alpha he came off the bench and played against the opposition's scrubs. You can't compare a bench player's stats to a guy who played 40 MPG. His "per minute" production is inflated by playing short spurts and being fresher. BPM is useless to compare these two players given that.

This is part of an agenda to diminish Duncan. Nothing more, nothing less. Manu was briefly a top 15 player. Throw him a parade. Now he is an "alpha" and better than a consensus top 30 all-time player. It is a shame Pippen gets thrown into every single thread. What does he have to do with this anti-Duncan push?


Make up your mind - if All-NBA is a popularity contest and Duncan is so boring, why did he make 15 All-NBA teams?

Yup, and in a small market to boot...

[Gray GOAT]

HBK IQ=2 digging a hole for himself, as per usual. You love to see it.

[RRR3]

HBK IQ=2 digging a hole for himself, as per usual. You love to see it.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

It means nothing, a cute way for people to say they simply like one guy better. The most recent all-time list had Pippen #21, Manu #58. We keep going down these ridiculous rabbit holes comparing different tiers of players. Manu was 21/6/4 in his best PO run. Pippen was 22/9/6/3 while playing both ends of the floor with tougher defensive rules. Manu was 13/5/3 and 9/4/3 before the rules changes.

Amare 25/12. Duncan like numbers. Amare>Duncan or Amare=Duncan right? Or KG-like.

Manu was so alpha he came off the bench and played against the opposition's scrubs. You can't compare a bench player's stats to a guy who played 40 MPG. His "per minute" production is inflated by playing short spurts and being fresher. BPM is useless to compare these two players given that.

This is part of an agenda to diminish Duncan. Nothing more, nothing less. Manu was briefly a top 15 player. Throw him a parade. Now he is an "alpha" and better than a consensus top 30 all-time player. It is a shame Pippen gets thrown into every single thread. What does he have to do with this anti-Duncan push?



Yup, and in a small market to boot...

Manu was the starter for the majority of 2005 playoffs. Ironic enough, spurs started playing well once Manu started. Manu 2005 still is comparable with Pippen in total minutes and crushes him in every metric.

[Roundball_Rock]

Manu never played more than 31 MPG. That is his career high. Pippen's was 40 MPG. For their primes, Pippen 38 MPG and Ginobili 29 MPG. 37 year old Pippen was playing more than prime Ginobili. :lol

If you have a superstar, you put them on the court. If you have Manu or Lou Williams (whose "per 36" numbers last year are on par with Kawhi's as an example of how you can't compare bench players with superstars) you use them as your third or fourth guy to beat up on scrubs and give you some quality minutes with the starters at other points in the game.

[rmt]

Duncan still had enough star power because he was the #1 pick and finals MVP at a young age in 1999. Manu was a late 2nd rounder, got robbed of his 2005 finals MVP and had the "6th man" label all working against his star power.

Yeah, TD had enough star power that he was making an all-nba team 18 years after being the #1 pick and 16 years after FMVP.

[Roundball_Rock]

TD having star power? I don't remember seeing any TD commercials.

[Dbrog]

:lol

And remember when neither kawhi nor manu step up to the plate to guard chris paul in the 2015 first round getting bounced as defending champions?

Kawhi also missed the GW on the other end after CP3 iced him. Double choke.

HBK needs a history lesson on all the chokes.

There's a reason the spurs could never repeat.

It's truly sad and confusing. It makes it seem as if he's only ever seen the Spurs from around 2014 on as opposed to me who grew up in San Antonio and remember all the stuff we are posting like yesterday. It's actually delusional him talking about "slow Duncan" doing nothing in 2006 when he literally averaged 32/12/4/3/1 while clearly being the best player on either team.

Edit: It really does make a lot more sense if you see HBK as a kid who doesn't have much to compare Kawhi to and tries to make people believe he's seen people like Manu. Anyone who's seen Manu and Duncan's entire career knows the truth.

[Dbrog]

Also, since I haven't actually said anything about the actual ridiculous topic, who even is more dominant than Shaq/Kobe? Them in 2001 I believe could beat anyone in history with the rules as they were. Obviously Jordan/Pippen are up there or Magic/Kareem, Bron/Wade, Curry/Durant, etc. We talking about proven top 10 GOAT-level talent at these player's peaks. Manu's just never been close to that. Like someone else said in this thread, he was maybe top15 in the league for one of his seasons :lol