Wings that impacted games like bigmen - Who were they?

[insidious301]

Defensively

Besides Pippen who else does this apply for? Rodman and Kawhi are the only names that come to mind for the modern era.

[ImKobe]

:kobe:

[insidious301]

And just to be clear, Rodman was a terrific wing defender in his Detroit years. So while he technically isn't a perimeter player, he won DPOY also guarding wings. Of course, his impact on defense spanned from the late 80s into the late 90s.

[brownmamba00]

Gerald wallace comes to mind

[Reggie43]

Shawn Marion and Lamar Odom.

[ImKobe]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/742270-nba-power-rankings-23-greatest-wingmen-in-nba-history

throwback to this article

Kobe and MJ are 1 and 2, as they should be.

[Roundball_Rock]

Pippen, Kawhi, Rodman are the only guys at that level.

[FKAri]

KD for about half a season. Lebron for 1-2 playoff series. Andrei Kirilenko?

Though, prior to the hand check removal wings could take over defensively with their ball pressure a la GP, Moncrief, etc.


And just to be clear, Rodman was a terrific wing defender in his Detroit years. So while he technically isn't a perimeter player, he won DPOY also guarding wings. Of course, his impact on defense spanned from the late 80s into the late 90s.

Maybe I misunderstood. Are you referring to defensive impact or versatility?

[Charlie Sheen]

Dwyane Wade and Tayshaun.

[Phoenix]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/742270-nba-power-rankings-23-greatest-wingmen-in-nba-history

throwback to this article

Kobe and MJ are 1 and 2, as they should be.

MJ is 1 and Kobe is 2 in the article, I mean its right there lol.

This is also from 2011. Quite a few players have entered that conversation since.

[ImKobe]

MJ is 1 and Kobe is 2 in the article, I mean its right there lol.

This is also from 2011. Quite a few players have entered that conversation since.

You know what I meant, they're the two best, obviously MJ is #1 in the article. Lebron's debatable over Bird I guess.

[insidious301]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/742270-nba-power-rankings-23-greatest-wingmen-in-nba-history

throwback to this article

Kobe and MJ are 1 and 2, as they should be.

This thread is on defense. Please read carefully.

[insidious301]

Pippen, Kawhi, Rodman are the only guys at that level.

Think so too, Roundball. Guys like LeBron and Jordan had a year, maybe a couple where you could say their defense was that impactful, but consistency is key. Kawhi/Pippen/Rodman brought it on that end seemingly every night. For their careers. And the impact numbers are kind to them.


KD for about half a season. Lebron for 1-2 playoff series. Andrei Kirilenko?

Though, prior to the hand check removal wings could take over defensively with their ball pressure a la GP, Moncrief, etc.

Maybe I misunderstood. Are you referring to defensive impact or versatility?

Defensive impact, but if that versatility leads to bigmen impact, go ahead and explain why. I like your Kirilernko mention though, good name. Now that's a player I am on the fence with. Glove and Moncrief were great defenders however were they anchoring clubs like their bigmen counterparts? By the numbers, I don't think so.

[Roundball_Rock]

This thread is on defense. Please read carefully.

:lol The criteria is laid out in the article and it is obvious they are talking players overall.

Here are where they rank some other wings in that same article.

Pippen 9th
Drexler 11th
Iverson 14th
Wilkins 15th
Allen 19th
Worthy 20th
Miller 22nd
Dumars 23rd

Let me guess: 1-9ball Jr. suddenly doesn't think the article is any good? :lol


Think so too, Roundball. Guys like LeBron and Jordan had a year, maybe a couple where you could say their defense was that impactful, but consistency is key. Kawhi/Pippen/Rodman brought it on that end seemingly every night. For their careers. And the impact numbers are kind to them.

Agreed. The consistency is what sets them apart but we are talking A+ defense versus A defense with these names so splitting hairs but the discussion is the GOAT wing defenders.

[insidious301]

:lol The criteria is laid out in the article and it is obvious they are talking players overall.

Here are where they rank some other wings in that same article.

Pippen 9th
Drexler 11th
Iverson 14th
Wilkins 15th
Allen 19th
Worthy 20th
Miller 22nd
Dumars 23rd

Let me guess: 1-9ball Jr. suddenly doesn't think the article is any good? :lol



Agreed. The consistency is what sets them apart but we are talking A+ defense versus A defense with these names so splitting hairs but the discussion is the GOAT wing defenders.

Don't expect an answer there. I am curious why he was the only poster in this thread bringing up offense. Sounds like he channeled his fragility from those Pippen threads into this one.


Agreed. The consistency is what sets them apart but we are talking A+ defense versus A defense with these names so splitting hairs but the discussion is the GOAT wing defenders.

Bingo.

[Roundball_Rock]

Bitterness over LeBron surpassing Kobe and insecurity over LeBron's threat to MJ's status (which explain basically every word he writes). He wishes they were 1-2. Most people would say MJ, LeBron 1-2 and then Magic, Bird, Kobe in a tier behind them but ahead of guys like West and Oscar in the next tier.

[r0drig0lac]

Pippen, Kawhi, Rodman are the only guys at that level.

artest?

[Phoenix]

Pip in 95 had a 98 Drtg within the context of the Bulls 104 rating. Typically it's your David Robinson and Mutumbo interior defender types who have their own rating appreciably lower within the context of the team. Rodman that same year had 100 rating against the teams 105. So yeah......

[insidious301]

Pip in 95 had a 98 Drtg within the context of the Bulls 104 rating. Typically it's your David Robinson and Mutumbo interior defender types who have their own rating appreciably lower within the context of the team. Rodman that same year had 100 rating against the teams 105. So yeah......

Good post Phoenix. Those numbers are impressive. They also back up the posters I've seen claim 95>94 Pip on defense.

[Smoke117]

Shawn Marion and Lamar Odom.

:facepalm Do you ever just stop not knowing anything about ball and just shut the **** up? If not, please do.

[Reggie43]

:facepalm Do you ever just stop not knowing anything about ball and just shut the **** up? If not, please do.

You just quoted me in four different threads in a matter of minutes. Why are you so obsessed with me? Is this what you kids call rent free :lol

[GimmeThat]

not sure how that matters when big men today are shooting free throws at a high % rate

[Smoke117]

You just quoted me in four different threads in a matter of minutes. Why are you so obsessed with me? Is this what you kids call rent free :lol

I guess I just can't let stupidity run without a rebuttal, baby boi.

[Reggie43]

I guess I just can't let stupidity run without a rebuttal, baby boi.

Three of your "rebuttals" consisted of this emoji only :facepalm . Are you really this stupid in real life or do you need a bottle of whichever alcohol you are addicted with to get you going?

[Smoke117]

Three of your "rebuttals" consisted of this emoji only :facepalm . Are you really this stupid in real life or do you need a bottle of whichever alcohol you are addicted with to get you going?

Lol I’m not even reading your comments. I just post :facepalm to trigger you...mission accomplished. :lol

[JohnMax]

Pascal Siakam

[Reggie43]

Lol I’m not even reading your comments. I just post :facepalm to trigger you...mission accomplished. :lol

Did you stop to think that you are the one who got triggered without me doing anything because I am in your head? Oh wait you cant think straight because you are on the bottle again :oldlol:

[MrFonzworth]

Ak47

[Smoke117]

Did you stop to think that you are the one who got triggered without me doing anything because I am in your head? Oh wait you cant think straight because you are on the bottle again :oldlol:

Lol just stop, sweetheart. You are trying so hard I actually feel bad for you, darling.

[Reggie43]

Lol just stop, sweetheart. You are trying so hard I actually feel bad for you, darling.

Why stop? I actually love to see you get triggered with the mere sight of my username :lol