Jokic is a superstar

[StrongLurk]

He's been very good from day 1 and obviously kept improving. Rookie year he had a 21.5 PER, 58.2 TS%, and a 3.9 BPM.

26/10/5.5 on 52/46/81 for this playoff run.

He was 25/13/8 on 51/36/85 last year.

He's kind of hard to rate because he isn't a good defender, but I would take him over Embiid (Not over AD tho). I guess he's the 7th or 8th best player in the league?

He's a superstar for sure.

26 career playoff games - 27.1 PER, 60.3 TS%, 9.2 BPM

[BigtimeNBAFan]

So you are telling me the 2014 draft was special afterall.

[1_BAD_TIGER]

I agree.

[Bankaii]

Why do you always make the most egregious overreaction threads?
You were just on Harden’s nuts saying he was the BITW and better than Lebron. Did you hop off that wagon already?

There are 5-6 superstars in the league... Lebron, AD, KD (healthy), Curry (healthy), Kawhi, Giannis. That’s it. Even AD is debatable. He has the stats and skills of a superstar but hasn’t shown the ability to lead/carry a team like the others have (Giannis at least does in the RS).

[Ghost1]

way better than harden and lillard

[MaxPlayer]

Greatest passing big ever by a wide margin, even over A Sabonis

[ArbitraryWater]

Why do you always make the most egregious overreaction threads?
You were just on Harden’s nuts saying he was the BITW and better than Lebron. Did you hop off that wagon already?

There are 5-6 superstars in the league... Lebron, AD, KD (healthy), Curry (healthy), Kawhi, Giannis. That’s it. Even AD is debatable. He has the stats and skills of a superstar but hasn’t shown the ability to lead/carry a team like the others have (Giannis at least does in the RS).

Your definition of superstar is just different.

This is one of the few times OP might be right

[StrongLurk]

Why do you always make the most egregious overreaction threads?
You were just on Harden’s nuts saying he was the BITW and better than Lebron. Did you hop off that wagon already?

There are 5-6 superstars in the league... Lebron, AD, KD (healthy), Curry (healthy), Kawhi, Giannis. That’s it. Even AD is debatable. He has the stats and skills of a superstar but hasn’t shown the ability to lead/carry a team like the others have (Giannis at least does in the RS).

26 playoff games last two years - 27.1 PER, 60.3 TS%, 9.2 BPM - Jokic

Those are superstar playoff numbers. Not a VERY long sample size...but long enough for me.

Let's compare Giannis last two playoffs. He is very similar to Jokic.

24 playoff games - 28.2 PER, 58.5 TS%, 9.4 BPM.

Harden last two years - 23 playoff games - 26.5 PER, 60 TS%, 8.8 BPM

...so how is Jokic not a superstar?

[GrayGoat]

26 playoff games last two years - 27.1 PER, 60.3 TS%, 9.2 BPM - Jokic

Those are superstar playoff numbers. Not a VERY long sample size...but long enough for me.

Let's compare Giannis last two playoffs. He is very similar to Jokic.

24 playoff games - 28.2 PER, 58.5 TS%, 9.4 BPM.

Harden last two years - 23 playoff games - 26.5 PER, 60 TS%, 8.8 BPM

...so how is Jokic not a superstar?

Isaiah Thomas was a superstar then. He scored 29ppg one season

[Kblaze8855]

I feel like that isn’t an unusual opinion to have.

[tpols]

Why do you always make the most egregious overreaction threads?
You were just on Harden’s nuts saying he was the BITW and better than Lebron. Did you hop off that wagon already?

There are 5-6 superstars in the league... Lebron, AD, KD (healthy), Curry (healthy), Kawhi, Giannis. That’s it. Even AD is debatable. He has the stats and skills of a superstar but hasn’t shown the ability to lead/carry a team like the others have (Giannis at least does in the RS).

What an absurd take.

Jokic easily is a superstar and has proven it. He's going toe to toe with an MVP level player with jamal ****ing murray as his sidekick.

[StrongLurk]

Isaiah Thomas was a superstar then. He scored 29ppg one season

IT was never even CLOSE to what Jokic has done the last two years in the playoffs. You have no idea what you're talking about.

IT in 2017 playoffs had a 18.1 PER, 56.3 TS%, and .6 BPM...laughable to compare him to Jokic.

[fsvr54]

Giannis is nowhere near a superstar, Jokic is definitely closer.

[tpols]

It's truly amazing what Jokic has done.

This nugget team would be literal lotto without him. They're a hodge podge assemblage of borderline all stars, washed up vets, and rookies.

lmao.

[StrongLurk]

It's truly amazing what Jokic has done.

This nugget team would be literal lotto without him. They're a hodge podge assemblage of borderline all stars, washed up vets, and rookies.

lmao.

Nah his supporting cast is better than you are giving them credit for.

Jamal Murray has been fantastic these playoffs. 26/5/6.5 on basically 50/50/90.

[starface]

Nah his supporting cast is better than you are giving them credit for.

Jamal Murray has been fantastic these playoffs. 26/5/6.5 on basically 50/50/90.


The supporting cast definitely isn't "bad." Murray and Millsap are allstar caliber players.

But they probably are a lottery team without Jokic, especially in the West. Kinda hard to argue against that.

[tpols]

Nah his supporting cast is better than you are giving them credit for.

Jamal Murray has been fantastic these playoffs. 26/5/6.5 on basically 50/50/90.


He's shooting on 49 TS this series. Basement level.

Jokic is opening the floor up for everybody and shooting much better.

[StrongLurk]

He's shooting on 49 TS this series. Basement level.

Jokic is opening the floor up for everybody and shooting much better.

Well, Jokic is clearly better then Murray...but that's not what we are talking about.

Murray was ABSOLUTELY instrumental in the Nuggets even getting out of the first round. Have you forgotten already?

[insidious301]

What an absurd take.

Jokic easily is a superstar and has proven it. He's going toe to toe with an MVP level player with jamal ****ing murray as his sidekick.

The same Jamal Murray who everyone thought was an a-m-a-z-i-n-g scorer? That sidekick? Please. A week ago people were calling him a superstar.

[KD7]

He was the MVP tonight but people that watch the games will see that Murray has been the MVP for the Nuggets overall this playoffs

[ThatCoolKid]

The supporting cast definitely isn't "bad." Murray and Millsap are allstar caliber players.

But they probably are a lottery team without Jokic, especially in the West. Kinda hard to argue against that.

Murray is very inconsistent. Millsap is washed.

[ThatCoolKid]

He was the MVP tonight but people that watch the games will see that Murray has been the MVP for the Nuggets overall this playoffs

:lol sure if you are low iq. Offense runs through Jokic. Murray got hot from 3.

[tpols]

The same Jamal Murray who everyone thought was an a-m-a-z-i-n-g scorer? That sidekick? Please. A week ago people were calling him a superstar.

Well you're retarded for making such conclusions on small sample size.

I cant speak for you.

[NBAGOAT]

The supporting cast definitely isn't "bad." Murray and Millsap are allstar caliber players.

But they probably are a lottery team without Jokic, especially in the West. Kinda hard to argue against that.

naw millsap's like gasol, kind of done now but has a little more mobility at least. grant's low key been one of the worst players in the playoffs because he cant make anything

[insidious301]

Well you're retarded for making such conclusions on small sample size.

I cant speak for you.

I never made that comparison, genius, but we all know this was said. That series went 7 games too so his scoring was premium.

[KD7]

:lol sure if you are low iq. Offense runs through Jokic. Murray got hot from 3.
Murray is leading the Nuggets in scoring and assists

Their offense completely falls apart when Murray goes to the bench

[Honor Boost]

Why do you always make the most egregious overreaction threads?
You were just on Harden’s nuts saying he was the BITW and better than Lebron. Did you hop off that wagon already?

There are 5-6 superstars in the league... Lebron, AD, KD (healthy), Curry (healthy), Kawhi, Giannis. That’s it. Even AD is debatable. He has the stats and skills of a superstar but hasn’t shown the ability to lead/carry a team like the others have (Giannis at least does in the RS).

AD has no superstar ability I can stop you right here from ruining an otherwise great post. Here is the top 5 and only superstars in the league in 2020

Kawhi, LeBron, Durant, Curry, Giannis

Could be next: Harden, Jokic, Kyrie, Murray,
Could be next after proving something: Davis, Butler, Klay, Westbrook, Middleton, P. George

[juju151111]

AD has no superstar ability I can stop you right here from ruining an otherwise great post. Here is the top 5 and only superstars in the league in 2020

Kawhi, LeBron, Durant, Curry, Giannis

Could be next: Harden, Jokic, Kyrie, Murray,
Could be next after proving something: Davis, Butler, Klay, Westbrook, Middleton, P. George

Why AD averging 29 and 11 in the playoffs if he not a superstar?

[NBAGOAT]

AD has no superstar ability I can stop you right here from ruining an otherwise great post. Here is the top 5 and only superstars in the league in 2020

Kawhi, LeBron, Durant, Curry, Giannis

Could be next: Harden, Jokic, Kyrie, Murray,
Could be next after proving something: Davis, Butler, Klay, Westbrook, Middleton, P. George

:lol you cant be serious with these guys. your list of guys who could be next after proving something is pretty awful too. klay westbrook middleton over luka dame embiid etc??

[ThatCoolKid]

Murray is leading the Nuggets in scoring and assists

Their offense completely falls apart when Murray goes to the bench

Lol no it does not. Jokic is the much more important player. Murray just had a hot shooting streak.

Jokic as the screener or as the initiator with the ball at the perimeter is so good for the Nuggets.

[And1AllDay]

:lol you cant be serious with these guys. your list of guys who could be next after proving something is pretty awful too. klay westbrook middleton over luka dame embiid etc??

Kyrie was retarded choice :oldlol: But Murray makes sense with the bubble explosion prisoner of the moment.

[And1AllDay]

Why AD averging 29 and 11 in the playoffs if he not a superstar?

He always does those numbers bruh he is just finally winning. i wonder what changed :oldlol: Superstars don't "NEED" LeBron :oldlol: Cute but think about it

[Round Mound]

He is one of the best offensive players in the league but he can't move sideways to defend and is a bit slow.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

He is one of the best offensive players in the league but he can't move sideways to defend and is a bit slow.

So hes Barkley?

[insidious301]

I also think Jokic is a superstar. Or at the very least on the cusp of it. He's got impact the "amazing scorer" Murray simply doesn't. On both ends too.

[Round Mound]

So hes Barkley?

Barkley was lazy but he could block shots straight without a run off two legs. Barkley was a better leaper, faster, quicker, more agil, more potent and also stronger o well but in this era you are not allowed to play physical etc.

[NuggetsFan]

Someone post his game winner/clutch stats. There ridiculous.

His defense is really overblown too. He's very smart defensively, great positioning, great hands. Just no lift/rim protection. He's usually an average/above average defender if you look at the stats. When he's bad, he's VERY bad. I don't think many people watch the Nuggets consistently so his defense does get slept on. Like vs Utah he was brutal defensively for the first few games but now he's fine.

Murray has stepped up this year HUGE which has been big. But imagine swapping Murray/LeBron and seeing the affect it would have. Jokic is probably a top 5 player at this point, and no worse than top 7-8. Look at what someone like AD did in NO vs Jokic in Denver.

Jokic is already one of the most skilled C's to ever play in the NBA and he just turned 25 abit ago.

[Bankaii]

26 playoff games last two years - 27.1 PER, 60.3 TS%, 9.2 BPM - Jokic

Those are superstar playoff numbers. Not a VERY long sample size...but long enough for me.

Let's compare Giannis last two playoffs. He is very similar to Jokic.

24 playoff games - 28.2 PER, 58.5 TS%, 9.4 BPM.

Harden last two years - 23 playoff games - 26.5 PER, 60 TS%, 8.8 BPM

...so how is Jokic not a superstar?
And Giannis and Harden are known as playoff chokers. Which is why I clearly stated they do their carrying the regular season.

Jokic wasn’t even the best player on his own team in the first round. If Murray hadn’t turned into a god they would’ve been a first round bounce and literally no one would care. Jokic is a second tier star, but no where near the level of the guys I listed as an overall player.

Tpols is a moron, this is the most attention I’ll show him.

[hold this L]

AD has no superstar ability I can stop you right here from ruining an otherwise great post. Here is the top 5 and only superstars in the league in 2020

Kawhi, LeBron, Durant, Curry, Giannis

Could be next: Harden, Jokic, Kyrie, Murray,
Could be next after proving something: Davis, Butler, Klay, Westbrook, Middleton, P. George

My only problem with Giannis is that he is way too 1-dimensional and easy to plan around as we saw for 2 years runing. I still include him as one (and Harden), but they have massive flaws that I don't see being fixed unless they play with the right top-end player.

[ArbitraryWater]

It's truly amazing what Jokic has done.

This nugget team would be literal lotto without him. They're a hodge podge assemblage of borderline all stars, washed up vets, and rookies.

lmao.

What?

[Lakers Legend#32]

Best white player in the league.

[GimmeThat]

he's certainly in the Chris Bosh category

I'm more interested in knowing whether or not colleges and high schools will start applying the 10 man rotations. but then there's a good chance those credentials may not surpass the pro-summer camps

[GimmeThat]

Best white player in the league.

I'd wouldn't call him the second coming of John Stockton just yet, but I'm sure he might be around the Terry Porter level on ball handling IQ

[KD7]

Him and AD are the two most skilled big men ever

[Spurs m8]

Best white player in the league.

Lol we all know that isn't true

Without Murray, this guy is gone in the first round

[red1]

if he shits on the clippers again tonight? then there's zero doubt.

[StrongLurk]

Bump.

[Gray GOAT]

Bump.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?484523-No-way-Denver-has-TWO-3-1-comebacks-in-a-row/page2

Will you bump this as well?

[StrongLurk]

16/22/13...what the hell man. That is crazy, Jokic is a damn unicorn.

He might be the only guy other than Lebron who can COMPLETELY CONTROL AND DOMINATE a game without scoring much.

[StrongLurk]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?484523-No-way-Denver-has-TWO-3-1-comebacks-in-a-row/page2

Will you bump this as well?

Dude I'm so happy, I was hoping to Jinx the Clips this whole time. I thought they'd pose the biggest challenge to the Lakers.

I 100% want Lebron to win one more ring before he retires, that's all.