Kawhi/George lost their first season together but so did Lebron/Wade

[HBK_Kliq_2]

So what's the big deal? First season together and they are just feeling each other out. The bubble gave them 8 games to gain chemistry before playoffs, that's very little time. Also the odds decrease heavily on closing out a game 7 with no fans. Murray is a better player then anybody Dirk had on 2011 mavs.

[Gray GOAT]

Blew 3-1 lead. 14 points. 6/22. I told you again and again and again what a loser Kawhit is, but you wouldn't listen. Now face the consequences.

[Axe]

If that helps you to move on from this loss.

[Phoenix]

OPs idea of bowing out gracefully till next season means 50 more excuse threads on the way out.

[starface]

The difference is Lebron carried Wade to a finals and then Wade sabotaged it by glory hunting. That was a solvable problem that got straightened out in the offseason.

I dont think the Clippers problems are going to be as easy to identify and solve. They might just not be as good in practice as they are on paper. There might not be anything they can “fix.”

[TheGoatest]

Let's see if Kawhi/George lose to NBA champions like LeBron/Wade did.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Blew 3-1 lead. 14 points. 6/22. I told you again and again and again what a loser Kawhit is, but you wouldn't listen. Now face the consequences.

Lebron only averaged 18PPG in 2011 and he didn't have close to the BPM numbers that Kawhi has.

Also, the odds of winning a game 7 with fans improves by like 20%. Can you say asterisk?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Let's see if Kawhi/George lose to NBA champions like LeBron/Wade did.

The league is deeper all around this year. Murray is definitely a better player then Jason Terry. Also, kawhi lost in 7 and not in 6.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Its not a big deal because Kawhit is a role player and he absolutely sucks

But you predicted an easy series and a Kashit title, so its a huge deal for you. Now you're just another laughingstock/jizzrag like welfare fan

:applause:

[Phoenix]

Lebron only averaged 18PPG in 2011 and he didn't have close to the BPM numbers that Kawhi has.

Also, the odds of winning a game 7 with fans improves by like 20%. Can you say asterisk?

What about the odds winning when up 3-1?

[SouBeachTalents]

What about the odds winning when up 3-1?
Or up nearly 15-20 in EVERY clinching game :oldlol:

[Phoenix]

Or up nearly 15-20 in EVERY clinching game :oldlol:

:lol

The excuses rolling in need to be dipped in platinum and stickied. Shit is HILARIOUS.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Or up nearly 15-20 in EVERY clinching game :oldlol:

That doesn't even sound like its possible

You couldn't make up a scenario where a team/player chokes worse than what we just witnessed.

Clippers made history. Kawhit has his most iconic playoff moment to date.

[Gray GOAT]

Lebron only averaged 18PPG in 2011 and he didn't have close to the BPM numbers that Kawhi has.

Also, the odds of winning a game 7 with fans improves by like 20%. Can you say asterisk?

All we can say is that Kawhit is a loser. I told you before. You received many, perhaps too many, warnings. Clinging to him the way you have, it was always going to be a disappointment for you, because Kawhit is not an all time great player. His legacy, while rubbish in the first place, is forever tarnished. There's no coming back from this.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Its not a big deal because Kawhit is a role player and he absolutely sucks

But you predicted an easy series and a Kashit title, so its a huge deal for you. Now you're just another laughingstock/jizzrag like welfare fan

:applause:

Every team sucks in the bubble because its ****ing depression, like you're in a prison and post game you have to get but****ed.

- rockets were embarrassing and played thunder to the last second of game 7. D'antoni couldn't wait to leave.

- Celtics were taken to 7 by raptors

- Lakers played rockets (see above)

- bucks were awful

[HBK_Kliq_2]

What about the odds winning when up 3-1?

Closing it in game 7 is part of rejecting that 1-3 comeback. What happened game 7? Empty arena.

Game 5 do they come back down 16 on the road? I doubt it

[Phoenix]

Every team sucks in the bubble because its ****ing depression, like you're in a prison and post game you have to get but****ed.

- rockets were embarrassing and played thunder to the last second of game 7. D'antoni couldn't wait to leave.

- Celtics were taken to 7 by raptors

- Lakers played rockets (see above)

- bucks were awful

The Raptors without Kawhi played the Celts closer in game 7 than the Clippers with Kawhi played Denver tonight.

Where does it hurt?

[Phoenix]

Closing it in game 7 is part of rejecting that 1-3 comeback. What happened game 7? Empty arena.

Game 5 do they come back down 16 on the road? I doubt it

The same arena was empty when they got to a 3-1 lead. Didnt seem an issue the first 4 games....just the last 3. :confusedshrug:

[East River Livn']

Kawhi is 29
PG is 30.

How did they get schooled by a 23 and 25 year old of elite but lesser talent :biggums:

[light]

So what's the big deal? First season together and they are just feeling each other out. The bubble gave them 8 games to gain chemistry before playoffs, that's very little time. Also the odds decrease heavily on closing out a game 7 with no fans. Murray is a better player then anybody Dirk had on 2011 mavs.

Losing in the 2nd round is quite early. Miami made it to the finals.

And unlike with the Heat, where you felt it was only a matter of time before they won, the feeling with the Clippers is that they are never going to win with Paul George.

[Phoenix]

The same arena was empty when they got to a 3-1 lead. Didnt seem an issue the first 4 games....just the last 3. :confusedshrug:

HBK_Kliq_2? Have you signed off and gotten to work on your new alt account?

[Spurs m8]

LeBron isn't really the benchmark though....he's lost twice as many finals as he's won...thanks to a weak east.

He's a so called GOAT with only 3 rings out of like 17 seasons, after 3 different collusions and cherry picked rosters every season for a decade basically.

We will see what happens

[Spurs m8]

Kawhi is 29
PG is 30.

How did they get schooled by a 23 and 25 year old of elite but lesser talent :biggums:

Same way prime Bron gave direct opponent 22 year old Leonard a FMVP

[Andrei89]

Same way prime Bron gave direct opponent 22 year old Leonard a FMVP

:cry:

[Spurs m8]

:cry:

I could see how that made you cry.

Was a very happy day for me tbh

[Axe]

Same way prime Bron gave direct opponent 22 year old Leonard a FMVP
Oops.

[Horatio33]

Kawhi was 1-11 in the second half 0 points in the fourth quarter CLUTCH

[ImKobe]

What's the big deal? Heat didn't blow a 3 - 1 lead to a bunch of kids.

[tresbigdog]

LeBron and Wade lost in the Finals to a season Mavs team, not a bunch of young players that weren't battle tested the way Dirk and company were.

Losing in the second round? Not even getting to the conference finals?

[tontoz]

:roll: The Raps got just as far as Kawhi. At least they were competitive in game 7. Eat sh**, troll.

[And1AllDay]

Blew 3-1 lead. 14 points. 6/22. I told you again and again and again what a loser Kawhit is, but you wouldn't listen. Now face the consequences.


OPs idea of bowing out gracefully till next season means 50 more excuse threads on the way out.


The difference is Lebron carried Wade to a finals and then Wade sabotaged it by glory hunting. That was a solvable problem that got straightened out in the offseason.

I dont think the Clippers problems are going to be as easy to identify and solve. They might just not be as good in practice as they are on paper. There might not be anything they can “fix.”


Let's see if Kawhi/George lose to NBA champions like LeBron/Wade did.


Or up nearly 15-20 in EVERY clinching game :oldlol:


That doesn't even sound like its possible

You couldn't make up a scenario where a team/player chokes worse than what we just witnessed.

Clippers made history. Kawhit has his most iconic playoff moment to date.

all this op

Make a new account your done

[Tobio-Star]

Except the Heat had LeGOAT in his prime. Kawhi is done, Murray Doncic and others are right behind his ass (probably in front tbh) and Curry, Klay, KD, Kyrie are all coming back next year. It was now or never

LeBron is about to win his 4th ring when he had significantly less talent than this Clippers roster just because Kawhi tried to finesse them in the offseason so when they win, they are probably going to improve their roster a ton

Its OVA for Kawhi "Jeffrey" Leonard, O-V-A

[guy]

Kinda similar between Kawhi and Lebron. Lebron's was worst though since it lasted more of the series. Kawhi was in his 9th season, while Lebron was in his 8th. Kinda weird for him to choke though after winning as much as he has already.

Wade didn't choke though. On the other hand, this is par for the course for PG. The number of terrible elimination games by him is pretty crazy. No similarity there at all.

Kawhi choked bad. He was pretty much James Harden out there. PG makes James Harden look like Michael Jordan though.

[Whoah10115]

The difference is Lebron carried Wade to a finals and then Wade sabotaged it by glory hunting. That was a solvable problem that got straightened out in the offseason.

I dont think the Clippers problems are going to be as easy to identify and solve. They might just not be as good in practice as they are on paper. There might not be anything they can “fix.”

Thank you.

Now I know to block you.

[Whoah10115]

OP only creating a home for the infestation of LeBron stans.

Please be quiet.

[EllEffEll]

So what's the big deal? First season together and they are just feeling each other out. The bubble gave them 8 games to gain chemistry before playoffs, that's very little time. Also the odds decrease heavily on closing out a game 7 with no fans. Murray is a better player then anybody Dirk had on 2011 mavs.

I would not doubt that they come together next year with a red-a$$ and a stronger resolve to persevere. It's not at all uncommon for that to happen. It's not like they were a bad team.

[hold this L]

It's true Lebron and Wade lost the first round, but you think this will get easier next year? Jokic/Murray have 1 more PS of experience under their belt. Warriors and Nets will be fit next season as well, and I'm sure LeRecruiter will look to improve the Lakers even more. Not saying they can't win, but the road to the ship is going to get harder.

[Horatio33]

Thank you.

Now I know to block you.

Snowflake

[HBK_Kliq_2]

all this op

Make a new account your done

The 4 stooges Doc, PG, Lou, Harrell cost them the series. Doc obviously wasn't paying any attention to the series.

Montrezl Harrell and Nikola Jokic went head-to-head for 35 minutes over the final three games of this series. The Los Angeles Clippers were outscored by 47 points in those minutes"

"In the 169 minutes that Ivica Zubac spent on the floor against Nikola Jokic in the series, the Clippers outscored the Nuggets by 27. In the 96 minutes Jokic was able to play without Zubac on the floor, Nuggets outscored the Clippers by 50"


There's choking and then there's flat out being dumb. Clippers lost the series because Doc was a flat out idiot.

[Whoah10115]

Snowflake


Oh boy...Trumpian? Stupid and Hispanic...not a good way to go.

[Whoah10115]

The 4 stooges Doc, PG, Lou, Harrell cost them the series. Doc obviously wasn't paying any attention to the series.

Montrezl Harrell and Nikola Jokic went head-to-head for 35 minutes over the final three games of this series. The Los Angeles Clippers were outscored by 47 points in those minutes"

"In the 169 minutes that Ivica Zubac spent on the floor against Nikola Jokic in the series, the Clippers outscored the Nuggets by 27. In the 96 minutes Jokic was able to play without Zubac on the floor, Nuggets outscored the Clippers by 50"


There's choking and then there's flat out being dumb. Clippers lost the series because Doc was a flat out idiot.

So Kawhi didn't step up?

[BigtimeNBAFan]

Lebron and Wade lost in the Finals after beating a 56 win team and a 61 win team 4-1 each.

Kawhi and George lost in the second round and struggled to win round 1; only winning because of a Porzingis injury.

Not really comparable situations. Lebron was bad in the 2011 Finals. Basically he just needed to better and take the primary role and they were going to win the championship. For the Clippers, it is not an easy fix. They did not look close to championship level this year.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

It's true Lebron and Wade lost the first round, but you think this will get easier next year? Jokic/Murray have 1 more PS of experience under their belt. Warriors and Nets will be fit next season as well, and I'm sure LeRecruiter will look to improve the Lakers even more. Not saying they can't win, but the road to the ship is going to get harder.

Kawhi avoided losing to LeBron this year, so that kind of helped his legacy in a way. With the way doc was coaching, George/Lou being depressed, clips had no chance vs Lakers.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Lebron and Wade lost in the Finals after beating a 56 win team and a 61 win team 4-1 each.

Kawhi and George lost in the second round and struggled to win round 1; only winning because of a Porzingis injury.

Not really comparable situations. Lebron was bad in the 2011 Finals. Basically he just needed to better and take the primary role and they were going to win the championship. For the Clippers, it is not an easy fix. They did not look close to championship level this year.

Its easier to get in finals in east then it is west. 2011 heat didn't beat anybody better then Luka.

[DMAVS41]

The 4 stooges Doc, PG, Lou, Harrell cost them the series. Doc obviously wasn't paying any attention to the series.

Montrezl Harrell and Nikola Jokic went head-to-head for 35 minutes over the final three games of this series. The Los Angeles Clippers were outscored by 47 points in those minutes"

"In the 169 minutes that Ivica Zubac spent on the floor against Nikola Jokic in the series, the Clippers outscored the Nuggets by 27. In the 96 minutes Jokic was able to play without Zubac on the floor, Nuggets outscored the Clippers by 50"


There's choking and then there's flat out being dumb. Clippers lost the series because Doc was a flat out idiot.

He had a 3-1 series lead and came up about as small as possible in the biggest game of the year. Happens to all the greats at some point. Just admit he was terrible and move on.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

So Kawhi didn't step up?

Doc is another D'antoni idiot who has wet dreams of a 6"7 center.

Raptors had gasol
Warriors had bogut

Clippers could of had Zubac but Doc choose to pay more attention to his political rants then what was going on the court.

[AirTupac]

I remember when Kobe got Gasol for 6 months and we made it to the finals and Kobe and Pau talked about how theyve been together for just 6 months when they lost... Wait they didnt do that because they arent fakkits. They manned up and just won it without all that hooplah these retards like PG and OP spout.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He had a 3-1 series lead and came up about as small as possible in the biggest game of the year. Happens to all the greats at some point. Just admit he was terrible and move on.

Kawhi played great in game 5 and was good in game 6. So he wasn't really terrible in 2/3 potential closeout games. Doc and clippers bench just blew it. Paul George made Kawhi work too hard all playoffs, kawhi is like +10 on BPM over George for playoffs.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I remember when Kobe got Gasol for 6 months and we made it to the finals and Kobe and Pau talked about how theyve been together for just 6 months when they lost... Wait they didnt do that because they arent fakkits. They manned up and just won it without all that hooplah these retards like PG and OP spout.

2008 lakers did have one of the biggest meltdowns ever though in game 6 vs Celtics.

Anyways, you can't compare this season to any other season. No other nba season was forced in a hotel like they were living in a prison. NFL isn't doing that shit. George/Lou just didn't have their heads on straight.

[Phoenix]

Kawhi played great in game 5 and was good in game 6. So he wasn't really terrible in 2/3 potential closeout games. Doc and clippers bench just blew it. Paul George made Kawhi work too hard all playoffs, kawhi is like +10 on BPM over George for playoffs.

Toronto without Kawhi played Boston tougher than the Clips with Kawhi played Denver last night.

Where does it hurt? Are you standing or sitting right now?

[WhiteKyrie]

The difference is Lebron carried Wade to a finals
Um, what?

Reg Season:
Bron - 27 ppg 8 rpg 7 apg
Wade - 26 ppg 6 rpg 5 apg

Playoffs:
Bron - 24 ppg 8 rpg 6 apg
Wade - 25 ppg 7 rpg 4 apg

Finals:
Bron - 18 ppg 7 rpg 7 apg
Wade - 27 ppg 7 rpg 5 apg

That’s carried to you? This wasn’t a Jordan carrying Scottie or Kobe carrying Gasol scenario whatsoever. Don’t idiotically re write or attempt delusional revisionist history. They were basically the same exact level of player putting up similar numbers until the Finals.

[Jingo]

Jesus Christ you're pathetic. RealGM Lebron thread members say hi.
And also Kawhit

[TheGoatest]

Um, what?

Reg Season:
Bron - 27 ppg 8 rpg 7 apg
Wade - 26 ppg 6 rpg 5 apg

Playoffs:
Bron - 24 ppg 8 rpg 6 apg
Wade - 25 ppg 7 rpg 4 apg

Finals:
Bron - 18 ppg 7 rpg 7 apg
Wade - 27 ppg 7 rpg 5 apg

That’s carried to you? This wasn’t a Jordan carrying Scottie or Kobe carrying Gasol scenario whatsoever. Don’t idiotically re write or attempt delusional revisionist history. They were basically the same exact level of player putting up similar numbers until the Finals.

Wade was simply putrid against the Bulls in those eastern conference finals against MVP Derrick Rose. He averaged something like 18 points on 40% shooting. Wade was worse in the conference finals than LeBron was in the finals, easily.

[Roundball_Rock]

Kawhi/George lost their first season together but so did Lebron/Wade
So what's the big deal?

It was a bigger deal when LeBron/Wade did it. Kawhi/PG won't get nearly as much flack despite doing worse. The Heat lost in the finals to (obviously) the champs. The Clippers lost in the second round to a team that likely will be the WC runner up.

Plus, the Mavericks steamrolled through the Lakers and OKC on their way to the Heat. The Nuggets were one shot away from losing in the first round.


Also, the odds of winning a game 7 with fans improves by like 20%. Can you say asterisk?

The Clippers don't have any fans so it is moot for them. :lol


Every team sucks in the bubble because its ****ing depression, like you're in a prison and post game you have to get but****ed.

The Lakers and Heat seem to be doing fine.

[WhiteKyrie]

Wade was simply putrid against the Bulls in those eastern conference finals against MVP Derrick Rose. He averaged something like 18 points on 40% shooting. Wade was worse in the conference finals than LeBron was in the finals, easily.
Wade showed up big in critical moments in that series though.

And Chicago was so far out gunned with talent, they shouldn’t have even been making it competitive to begin with. It’s splitting hairs who was worse between Wade’s ECF (he was notoriously always terrible against his hometown Bulls) and LeBron’s all time embarrassing wet skid mark 2011 Finals.

Wade was at least facing the best defense in the league and good on ball defender like Ronnie Brewer.

LeBron was being guarded by ancient Shawn Marion, Jason Kidd, Lance Stephenson and JJ Barea :oldlol:

And like I said Wade had a down series but came up HUGE in big moments in that series late in games. Particularly that game 5 in Chicago. Made some great defensive plays and big shots.

LeBron padded all around numbers and looked decent all around statistically for the most part but was nonexistent in absolutely critical moments in the series. If he plays to average the Heat should’ve easily won.

[Phoenix]

The Lakers and Heat seem to be doing fine.

Same for the Nuggets and Celtics. Toronto actually put up a better game 7 than the Clips did. Whoops. :lol

[TheGoatest]

Wade showed up big in critical moments in that series though.

And Chicago was so far out gunned with talent, they shouldn’t have even been making it competitive to begin with. It’s splitting hairs who was worse between Wade’s ECF (he was notoriously always terrible against his hometown Bulls) and LeBron’s all time embarrassing wet skid mark 2011 Finals.

Wade was at least facing the best defense in the league and good on ball defender like Ronnie Brewer.

LeBron was being guarded by ancient Shawn Marion, Jason Kidd, Lance Stephenson and JJ Barea :oldlol:

And like I said Wade had a down series but came up HUGE in big moments in that series late in games. Particularly that game 5 in Chicago. Made some great defensive plays and big shots.

LeBron padded all around numbers and looked great for the most part but was nonexistent in absolutely critical moments in the series. If he plays to average the Heat should’ve easily won.

It's always easier to say that a player who had a statistically atrocious series wasn't actually that bad if they end up winning that series.
The same could've been said about LeBron's 2011 finals had they won. You could point out that every one of LeBron's 17.8 points, 7.8 rebounds and 6.8 assists that series and how much they mattered because they ended up winning after all.

And funny you should say "if he plays to average" because LeBron's averages in the finals look better when compared to his regular season averages than Wade's do for the conference finals.
If LeBron plays like Wade in the conference finals, they wouldn't have come close to advancing to the finals.

[Roundball_Rock]

Same for the Nuggets and Celtics. Toronto actually put up a better game 7 than the Clips did. Whoops. :lol

:lol

[Horatio33]

Oh boy...Trumpian? Stupid and Hispanic...not a good way to go.

Well it says England on my location numbnuts.

[DMAVS41]

Kawhi played great in game 5 and was good in game 6. So he wasn't really terrible in 2/3 potential closeout games. Doc and clippers bench just blew it. Paul George made Kawhi work too hard all playoffs, kawhi is like +10 on BPM over George for playoffs.

Who said he was terrible overall? I simply said he was terrible in the biggest game of the year, which he objectively was.

And, only because you are annoying as **** and used this same stat earlier...why don't you have a look at this;

Clippers with Leonard on the court in the playoffs: +2.3 points per 100
Clippers without Leonard on the court in the playoffs: +11.1 points per 100

That is right, they got 8.8 points better without Leonard for the duration of the playoffs. So, do you once and for all admit that stat with a small sample is meaningless...or are you going to be consistent and say that Leonard hurt the Clippers just like you did with Luka and the Mavs.

Take the L...

[RRR3]

Who said he was terrible overall? I simply said he was terrible in the biggest game of the year, which he objectively was.

And, only because you are annoying as **** and used this same stat earlier...why don't you have a look at this;

Clippers with Leonard on the court in the playoffs: +2.3 points per 100
Clippers without Leonard on the court in the playoffs: +11.1 points per 100

That is right, they got 8.8 points better without Leonard for the duration of the playoffs. So, do you once and for all admit that stat with a small sample is meaningless...or are you going to be consistent and say that Leonard hurt the Clippers just like you did with Luka and the Mavs.

Take the L...
Rat poison :roll:

[red1]

OP your mistake is comparing kawhi and PG to lebron and dwade :roll:

[tpols]

There are a lot of parallels between the situations:

Both were in the first year of a team hop to play with another superstar.
Both lost to a bad ass underdog "white boy" alpha wolf.
Both had huge chokes in key games, despite generally looking like the better team.

[red1]

There are a lot of parallels between the situations:

Both were in the first year of a team hop to play with another superstar.
Both lost to a bad ass underdog "white boy" alpha wolf.
Both had huge chokes in key games, despite generally looking like the better team.

actually no.


lbj and dwade >>> kawhi and paul george

[tpols]

actually no.


lbj and dwade >>> kawhi and paul george

Agreed because wade is >> PG13. That makes it even worse. They choked with an even better team.

The Heat all throughout the playoffs up until the last 3 minutes of the 4th quarter in game 2 of the Finals looked like a surefire champion.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Agreed because wade is >> PG13. That makes it even worse. They choked with an even better team.

The Heat through the playoffs up until the last 3 minutes of the 4th quarter in game 2 looked like a surefire champion.

Who do you want for Godwin

[red1]

Agreed because wade is >> PG13. That makes it even worse. They choked with an even better team.

The Heat all throughout the playoffs up until the last 3 minutes of the 4th quarter in game 2 of the Finals looked like a surefire champion.
they also won the next two rings


heat>> these clippers.



never make that comparison again.

[tpols]

Who do you want for Godwin

my team is toast right now mate. :lol

But I gotta ride it out on the long shots and say a prayer.

[SouBeachTalents]

There are a lot of parallels between the situations:

Both were in the first year of a team hop to play with another superstar.
Both lost to a bad ass underdog "white boy" alpha wolf.
Both had huge chokes in key games, despite generally looking like the better team.
The biggest similarity imo was how their bad habits caught up to them at the worst possible team. Before the playoffs the Heat were AWFUL in close games down the stretch, then after pulling a 180 in that regard against the Celtics & Bulls, it reared it's ugly head at the worst possible time. While the Clippers had the same routine in literally every clinching game they had, build up a double digit lead, even as high as 15-19 points, then get totally dominated in the 2nd half of every game