Maybe Jokic is just that good

[Walk on Water]

We keep saying Kawhi choked. But when I saw the game today, Jokic looked like he was dominating people on the boards. He even blocked Leonard's pass because he's so long. Also, they say Jokic is the best passing big man in the game. Maybe he's just better than Leonard. He doesn't have the explosiveness of Giannis, but maybe he's a sleeper, a less flashy star like a Duncan.

[SATAN]

What about Murry? He had 40. Who was supposed to be guarding him?

[TheGoatest]

This Nuggets defense managed to hold Donovan Mitchell to 36 ppg on 53/52/95 shooting. Can't blame Kawhi for choking against such a smothering defense led by Jokic.

[Akeem34TheDream]

Nuggets are good but Clippers were so disorganized. They didn't look like a team. Clippers didnt really need Kawhi or PG to go off imo. They just needed to make defensive rotations and offensive plays. I was rooting for them but they were playing very ugly basketball.

[Axe]

Nuggets are good but Clippers were so disorganized. They didn't look like a team. Clippers didnt really need Kawhi or PG to go off imo. They just needed to make defensive rotations and offensive plays. I was rooting for them but they were playing very ugly basketball.
Doc didn't do anything to secure another victory, despite having their best chances to do so since game 5.

[ImKobe]

Jokic is great but there's no excuse for them letting Jamal Murray go off like they did, there's no excuse for the poor defensive game plan of doubling Jokic on every single catch to leave his shooters wide open from 3, which he had no trouble passing to because that's his ****ing strength. There's no excuse for Lou Williams bricking 3 wide open layups and one wide open 3 after another, there's no excuse for Kawhi and PG missing all the open jump shots that they did & they didn't seem to want to attack the basket at all, thus they didn't put much pressure on the Nuggets in terms of foul trouble. Jokic had foul trouble early but they did it to themselves with offensive fouls. PG and Kawhi combined for 1 whole FT & of course PG ****ing missed it.

[Penetrator]

After that massive meltdown in game 5 any decent coach and team of non losers would have come out and dominated game 6. But they did the same shit again..

Denver was easy money in game 7

[tontoz]

For the series Jokic averaged 24.4/13.4/6.6 with a TS of 60% against a strong defense.

[MaxPlayer]

Jokic is very good. But he was mostly having his way with Zubac and Harrell.

Will be interesting to see what he does with AD/Dwight/McGee who should at least make him a little less comfortable.

[jayfan]

This Nuggets defense managed to hold Donovan Mitchell to 36 ppg on 53/52/95 shooting. Can't blame Kawhi for choking against such a smothering defense led by Jokic.

:lol

[Whoah10115]

Difference between Jokic and Duncan is that Duncan is one of the all-time great defenders, and Jokic's defense is often weak. Offensively, he isn't money like Duncan, but his jumpshot and that passing is outstanding.

[kentatm]

What about Murry? He had 40. Who was supposed to be guarding him?

All NBA defensive wizard Pat Beverly :lol

[light]

We keep saying Kawhi choked. But when I saw the game today, Jokic looked like he was dominating people on the boards. He even blocked Leonard's pass because he's so long. Also, they say Jokic is the best passing big man in the game. Maybe he's just better than Leonard. He doesn't have the explosiveness of Giannis, but maybe he's a sleeper, a less flashy star like a Duncan.

Forget about Jokic. The story of the Nuggets is Jamal Murray. He's turned into their go-to guy right before our eyes this postseason.

[Round Mound]

Forget about Jokic. The story of the Nuggets is Jamal Murray. He's turned into their go-to guy right before our eyes this postseason.

Jokic: 24.4/51.5%FG/13.4/6.6/0.7/1.4 with a TS of 60.3%

Murray: 22.6/44.7%FG/4.4/6.4/1.3/0.1 with a TS of 55.9

Jokic had more impact.

[BigtimeNBAFan]

Two things can be true. Obviously the Nuggets played well, but Kawhi and George absolutely choked yesterday and choked of historic proportions. Has 2 stars on a favored team ever been that bad in a game 7?

[plowking]

Difference between Jokic and Duncan is that Duncan is one of the all-time great defenders, and Jokic's defense is often weak. Offensively, he isn't money like Duncan, but his jumpshot and that passing is outstanding.

His post defense is actually really good just due to his size and strength.


The pick and roll defense and movement outside the paint is obviously where he struggles a little. Duncan got better at this later in his career due to slimming down.

[RRR3]

Difference between Jokic and Duncan is that Duncan is one of the all-time great defenders, and Jokic's defense is often weak. Offensively, he isn't money like Duncan, but his jumpshot and that passing is outstanding.
He’s clearly better offensively than Duncan dude.

[tontoz]

He’s clearly better offensively than Duncan dude.


Yeah Duncan's jumper was weak. So was his foul shooting. Not much of a playmaker either.

Elite on D though.

[Round Mound]

Not really. His passing is better than Duncan's but Duncan is one of the most dominant low post scorers in nba history. Especially in an era where defense and physicallity was allowed to be played

[tontoz]

Not really. His passing is better than Duncan's but Duncan is one of the most dominant low post scorers in nba history. Especially in an era where defense and physicallity was allowed to be played

Dominant? For his career he averaged 19 ppg shooting 50.6% from the field. He only had 3 seasons in his career scoring over 23 ppg. Yawn

The guy in your avy was way better in the post than Duncan. So was Shaq, Hakeem, Kareem, i would even take McHale over him for pure post scoring. He was a tier or two below those guys in post scoring.

[Round Mound]

Dominant? For his career he averaged 19 ppg shooting 50.6% from the field. He only had 3 seasons in his career scoring over 23 ppg. Yawn

The guy in your avy was way better in the post than Duncan. So was Shaq, Hakeem, Kareem, i would even take McHale over him for pure post scoring. He was a tier or two below those guys in post scoring.

True those guys you mention where better scorers but Duncan was very good scorer aswell. He had a lot of moves (like the bank shot)etc but lets remember he played on great teams so he didn't have to score alot. Jokic is great but doesn't have a great post game like Duncan did. Jokic is the best passing big today (by far) and good rebounder but overall Duncan had post game and has defense over Jokic big time (Jokic is alot slower sideways to defend). Jokic´s most important challenge wil be to guard A.D (if he does) and be guarded by A.D. Let´s se what happens..greetings.

[dankok8]

I say this as a fellow Serb who loves him. Jokic isn't as good as Duncan. Not even close.

That being said, he is a top 10 player in the league.

[ralph_i_el]

Dominant? For his career he averaged 19 ppg shooting 50.6% from the field. He only had 3 seasons in his career scoring over 23 ppg. Yawn

The guy in your avy was way better in the post than Duncan. So was Shaq, Hakeem, Kareem, i would even take McHale over him for pure post scoring. He was a tier or two below those guys in post scoring.


Duncan was putting up his best seasons on teams that played at a low pace, in a low pace era. His adjusted scoring per-100 possessions gives him a bunch of seasons of higher scoring than Jokic's highest season.

I'd say Jokic is a better offensive player than prime Duncan. I'd still take Duncan in a matchup of the two.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Difference between Jokic and Duncan is that Duncan is one of the all-time great defenders, and Jokic's defense is often weak. Offensively, he isn't money like Duncan, but his jumpshot and that passing is outstanding.

Jokic is a far better offensive player.

PPG wont capture the difference. Jokic can lead and carry an elite offense. His passing/playmaking is miles apart and hes a much better shooter too

Duncan wasnt even a good passer for most of his prime and Spurs only really exploded offensively after Manu and Parker grew and started running the offense from the mid 2000s up till mid 2010s

[Whoah10115]

Really more than surprised by the number of people who disagree.

Duncan is the better scorer. His feel for the game is unbelievable. Jokic is not a better offensive player than Duncan in his first 7 seasons.

[Carbine]

I think Jokic is just as good on offense as Duncan. He may not be a dominant low post scorer, but he can certainly score from down there against anyone.

He can also shoot 3s at an ultra percentage for a C which does wonders for floor spacing which obviously Duncan couldn't do.

Not a knock on Duncan, Jokic is ATG on offense when he is rolling (which he has been for his short but entire playoff career)

[fsvr54]

Jokic was scoring in the post on Gobert, you guys are a joke. Nobody else in the league can do that

[tontoz]

Jokic's playoff averages over the last two years are pretty strong: 25/12/7 with a TS of 60%.

[Akeem34TheDream]

Jokic will outplay AD.

[3ball]

Jokic's playoff averages over the last two years are pretty strong: 25/12/7 with a TS of 60%.
and clutch right?

so that's a bird stat profile... except performed by a slower, worse-shooting and passing player because the spacing allows it