If AD wins FMVP how big of an explosion will it cause on this board?

[East River Livn']

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[Andrei89]

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There is a 50/50 chance that he wins FMVP.

If Lakers beat the Nuggets and play vs Miami, then Lebron wins it. If they play vs the Celtics, AD is gonna eat and win.

[MaxPlayer]

None. Would be great to put to rest the nonsense that LeBron ball “diminishes his teammates” or whatever

[AlternativeAcc.]

Wouldn't matter

LeBron is the leader/best player

It's his team and his alpha ring no matter what.

[tontoz]

Lebron stans probably wouldnt care because he got a ring on his 3rd team. Haters will make a big deal about it but they are going to dog him no matter what happens.

[J Shuttlesworth]

4 Rings and 3 FMVPs and 4 MVPs is a solid resume

[SouBeachTalents]

Barring the Nuggets pulling off another huge upset, ditto the Eastern champ, that seems to be the haters last resort at salvation this season :lol

[tpols]

There is a 50/50 chance that he wins FMVP.

If Lakers beat the Nuggets and play vs Miami, then Lebron wins it. If they play vs the Celtics, AD is gonna eat and win.

If anything, Miami is the team with the Lebron stoppers... go look up what he's shot on Jimmy Butler in 2015 playoffs. And then they have Iggy and Crowder to back him up. Bam is nice, but I don't know if he can shut down AD. He's definitely a lot tougher than him though, Davis will be flopping and falling to the floor all series long.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Kareem is > Jordan with only 2FMVPS btw

Lebron already meets the GOAT criteria

So even in the lebron haters best case scenario (AD winning fmvp) - lebron still wins bigly

[NBAGOAT]

If anything, Miami is the team with the Lebron stoppers... go look up what he's shot on Jimmy Butler in 2015 playoffs. And then they have Iggy and Crowder to back him up. Bam is nice, but I don't know if he can shut down AD. He's definitely a lot tougher than him though, Davis will be flopping and falling to the floor all series long.

bam still matches up better I think than crowder/butler/iggy though it's not too lopsided like bos would be. Iggy's just too old at this point imo.

[Manny98]

LeBron is cemented GOAT regardless

He's been the best player in 7 finals anyway he has nothing left to prove

[red1]

that would mean a 4th ring for leGOAT so dont worry you could still be salty and cry.

[red1]

shut the **** up manny.

[Manny98]

shut the **** up manny.
No

[red1]

No

you copy all of my lines and lame jokes and literally follow me around - except you predict everything wrong. you're like my retarded son.


just acknowledge that the nets are a dogshit franchise and then we can get along.

[Manny98]

you copy all of my lines and lame jokes and literally follow me around - except you predict everything wrong. you're like my retarded son.


just acknowledge that the nets are a dogshit franchise and then we can get along.
Df are you blabbering about :lol

I don't copy anyone, I have my own lingo and most of my predictions have been right this year

Philly getting swept by Boston

Houston choking

Denver beating the Clips

You sound dumb af

[red1]

Df are you blabbering about :lol

I don't copy anyone, I have my own lingo and most of my predictions have been right this year

Philly getting swept by Boston

Houston choking

Denver beating the Clips

You sound dumb af

yeah you do. you dont even realize it. :oldlol:


and your predictions are terrible. you're never living down last year. you followed us around all year - us raptors fans we know. :oldlol: :roll:


and dude you still havent acknowledged that lowry has a ring and that the nets are ringless. :D

[Manny98]

Last year doesn't count as KD & Klay were both injured

This year I have been right on almost everything :cheers:

I was literally the only person here that had Philly getting swept by Boston & Nuggets beating the Clips in 6/7

Btw Nets still have more championships than your shit franchise (ABA rings count bitch)

From now on when you mention my name put some respect on it because you're my bitch

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[Spurs m8]

We still see the stans crying weekly about Kyrie because of the bailout....

AD may get death threats.

[red1]

suck my nuts manny



followed me around like a dog all year last year - thank you!! :oldlol:



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[RRR3]

suck my nuts manny



followed me around like a dog all year last year - thank you!! :oldlol:



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Poor kid thinks ABA rings count :oldlol:

Might as well count conference finals trophies

[BigtimeNBAFan]

Wouldn't matter

LeBron is the leader/best player

It's his team and his alpha ring no matter what.
Yep, nobody with any intelligence believes Tony Parker led the Spurs to the 07 title. It was Duncan's team.

[Manny98]

Poor kid thinks ABA rings count :oldlol:

Might as well count conference finals trophies
I mean we count championships won against teams missing 2 of their 3 best players so I don't see whats the problem:confusedshrug:

[Axe]

Last year doesn't count as KD & Klay were both injured

This year I have been right on almost everything :cheers:

I was literally the only person here that had Philly getting swept by Boston & Nuggets beating the Clips in 6/7

Btw Nets still have more championships than your shit franchise (ABA rings count bitch)

From now on when you mention my name put some respect on it because you're my bitch

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Nets are trash. Lost in the finals twice in a row nearly two decades ago.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Daily meltdowns but only from his ardent fanbois.

I personally don't think its that big of a deal. Another accomplishment, individual, team or otherwise is icing on the cake for Bron.

[sdot_thadon]

It will make alot of guys here reflect on previous opinions about pecking orders, alpha, 1st option and other trivial titles we put on guys to make them more/less important than whoever's the topic of the day. As long as you are the leader of your team you get the credit that comes with it. Nobody has any illusions about who the leader of the Lakers is, and frankly if Ad wins it Lebron will have alot to do with it....because who feeds Ad? If Lebron wins it either a) Ad underperformed or b) Lebron had a Lebron level series, isn't that how the spin works anyway?

[Roundball_Rock]

FMVP will be a nice TP for faux fans (i.e., MJ and Kobe stans :oldlol: ) of Anthony "Kareem" Davis but the rest of the world will credit LeBron no matter what. That is unfair but that is the way it works in the NBA. The co-star won't get equal credit and to the extent they get credit it would be in the immediate aftermath and will be forgotten in the long term.

The Washington Post had a lengthy article yesterday on LeBron's pursuit of a 4th ring. Davis was mentioned only in passing. Only on places like ISH is there a LeBron vs. Davis discussion. For everyone else it is about LeBron.

The only shot Davis would have is maybe pull an 80' Magic and rely on historical revisionism but Davis has no fans to lead that charge.

[HylianNightmare]

He cant lebron will fo hos triple double thing and get it

[tpols]

Double standards will have to be pointed out if he does. We've seen polarizing players of the past get chastised for playing with great players. Kobe averaged elite productions, ridiculous splits, and advanced numbers in the Laker's GOAT 2001 run and people write it off as a "sidekick" title. He literally had better numbers than peak Shaq. People still give the Don C. Wardell shit over not winning FMVP, when he averaged better numbers, and commanded more defensive attention than his counterpart KD. The bottom line is.. if Bron doesn't win the FMVP, people will look at it as a sidekick title. Not quite a "pippen"... but just a little better. And it will be unfair to him.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Double standards will have to be pointed out if he does. We've seen polarizing players of the past get chastised for playing with great players. Kobe averaged elite productions, ridiculous splits, and advanced numbers in the Laker's GOAT 2001 run and people write it off as a "sidekick" title. He literally had better numbers than peak Shaq. People still give the Don C. Wardell shit over not winning FMVP, when he averaged better numbers, and commanded more defensive attention than his counterpart KD. The bottom line is.. if Bron doesn't win the FMVP, people will look at it as a sidekick title. Not quite a "pippen"... but just a little better. And it will be unfair to him.

The weird thing is all of that stuff never applied to KAJ/Magic.

For whatever reason, people gave them equal credit for their rings, but never the "sidekick" connotation spiel. The first player to get that label was Bean. Pippen was great although that was never argued because of Jordan's offensive ability in comparison. Kobe HAD to win with Pau to shake off that sidekick label.

[Spurs m8]

Honestly, if they make the Finals and I'm a genuine Laker fan...my biggest concern is Bron being more worried about his own stats and sacrificing the team to get them.

That is what has lead to the embarrassing finals record that he currently holds....its all on him and his selfish style.

[LukeWalton]

Honestly, if they make the Finals and I'm a genuine Laker fan...my biggest concern is Bron being more worried about his own stats and sacrificing the team to get them.

That is what has lead to the embarrassing finals record that he currently holds....its all on him and his selfish style.

finally a good name change!
be a fan of the team, not the players. something rare these days as people bandwagon players.

[warriorfan]

Honestly, if they make the Finals and I'm a genuine Laker fan...my biggest concern is Bron being more worried about his own stats and sacrificing the team to get them.

That is what has lead to the embarrassing finals record that he currently holds....its all on him and his selfish style.

:roll: big time laker fan here too. I feel the same way.

[And1AllDay]

what if bran doesnt make playoffs
What if bran underperperforms vs blazers
What if dame gets hot
What if rockets win
What if harden gets hot
What if westgoat goes into beast mode
What if kawhi wins
What if clippers get chip
What if what if what if

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LeBron would have to get hurt for that to happen.

[Roundball_Rock]

Double standards will have to be pointed out if he does. We've seen polarizing players of the past get chastised for playing with great players. Kobe averaged elite productions, ridiculous splits, and advanced numbers in the Laker's GOAT 2001 run and people write it off as a "sidekick" title.

Look at the mirror. You are among the biggest people here going around throwing around the "sidekick" label. :lol


The weird thing is all of that stuff never applied to KAJ/Magic.


You think so? I see it used to denigrate KAJ as in the revisionist history Magic was "the man" the entire time, even 1980. Whenever KAJ as GOAT comes up the chief "argument" against him is that he wasn't "the man" for all his chips (which tells you how strong his case is).


For whatever reason, people gave them equal credit for their rings, but never the "sidekick" connotation spiel. The first player to get that label was Bean. Pippen was great although that was never argued because of Jordan's offensive ability in comparison

Pippen's entire career, other than one year, is written off because of the "sidekick" label. We see it in thread after thread: his rings simply don't count (then the same people will complain that he is rated so highly all-time precisely because of rings he allegedly had nothing to do with).

There isn't room in the media and fan environment to give credit to more than one player. Davis is just the next in line--if they win. If it is Denver, it will be Murray, Walker or Brown for Boston (depends on if Walker returns to form), Bam or Dragic for Miami.

None of these people give a damn about AD or "sidekicks" getting credit. There isn't a thread on the "sidekicks" on the other 3 teams. AD is just a tool to use against LeBron, just like Wade and Irving were (the same people give zero credit to every other "sidekick" in history, except maybe Kobe if they are Kobe stans).

Years ago I argued we should move away from "sidekick" and go by "indispensable" standard, this was when the Lakers were winning so Gasol was the prime example. The Lakers could not have won without him so he should have been treated differently than a player like Bynum or Odom. All these "sidekick" fans now? I didn't see them rally to my standard.

[sdot_thadon]

The weird thing is all of that stuff never applied to KAJ/Magic.

For whatever reason, people gave them equal credit for their rings, but never the "sidekick" connotation spiel. The first player to get that label was Bean. Pippen was great although that was never argued because of Jordan's offensive ability in comparison. Kobe HAD to win with Pau to shake off that sidekick label.

This is true, I was guilty of this in my view of Kobe for years. Kareem and Magic are also the only 2 consensus top 10 guys who have a long term teammate in the top 10 and nothing is really said about it. That said I still don't view Kobe/Shaq as equals in the 3- peat because in real time as it happened Kobe felt like and was seen as a sidekick, albeit of the highest order we'd seen. But yeah stuff like this is why I ask people about the rest of their top 10 when talking goat rankings.and such.

[NBAGOAT]

get some threads for some extreme stans and fanboys but it doesnt matter that much. It be like the durant/curry dynamic except lebron has those previous fmvps to fall on. most people know curry was no "sidekick"

[Bronbron23]

it will be interesting but its not gonna change from the normal lebron idiotic talk on this thread. His stans will continue to troll troll and over rate him while his haters will do the same while under rating him. Nothing will change.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You think so? I see it used to denigrate KAJ as in the revisionist history Magic was "the man" the entire time, even 1980. Whenever KAJ as GOAT comes up the chief "argument" against him is that he wasn't "the man" for all his chips (which tells you how strong his case is).

Didn't see your reply here, RR.

My fault

Its rare to see that with KAJ nowadays though. Back when you and I were debating this over a decade ago? Yeah, it was more common, but still not used to demean either KAJ/Magic the way Kobe was. FOR YEARS. Like sdot, I was also a culprit of that, and mostly to jab back at Kobe fans claiming he was "far better" than LeBron. Or already on Jordan's level. Both untrue obviously.


Pippen's entire career, other than one year, is written off because of the "sidekick" label. We see it in thread after thread: his rings simply don't count (then the same people will complain that he is rated so highly all-time precisely because of rings he allegedly had nothing to do with).

There isn't room in the media and fan environment to give credit to more than one player. Davis is just the next in line--if they win. If it is Denver, it will be Murray, Walker or Brown for Boston (depends on if Walker returns to form), Bam or Dragic for Miami.

None of these people give a damn about AD or "sidekicks" getting credit. There isn't a thread on the "sidekicks" on the other 3 teams. AD is just a tool to use against LeBron, just like Wade and Irving were (the same people give zero credit to every other "sidekick" in history, except maybe Kobe if they are Kobe stans).

Years ago I argued we should move away from "sidekick" and go by "indispensable" standard, this was when the Lakers were winning so Gasol was the prime example. The Lakers could not have won without him so he should have been treated differently than a player like Bynum or Odom. All these "sidekick" fans now? I didn't see them rally to my standard.

Yeah might have undersold Pippen there. I am a Jordan "fan" so with that comes a bias. We all got our preferences to a degree, some people are just more vocal about it. Those same people are usually the dumbest though :oldlol: Anyway, Pippen was definitely called a "sidekick" and criticized for it so you aren't wrong. Can think back to his Portland years. And beyond that here on ISH with you debating in those classic 100-page threads.

Again, though, I don't think the severity was Kobe level. Shaq was rightfully the best player on those Laker teams. By the numbers, eye test, impact and hardware. Everything tangible. The thing is Kobe was so damn skilled and polarizing, you literally had a fanbase split in half. Didn't help matters when PJax or even Shaq himself would come out of nowhere and claim Kobe was "the best all-around player alive". Pippen never got that kind of attention, for better or worse.

Totally agree with your AD/Lebron take. Davis is great, but we're hearing more insane comparisons every day. With every Laker win, haters will cross that line from irrational to insane. The metamorphosis is wacky but absolutely real.

[Roundball_Rock]

This is true, I was guilty of this in my view of Kobe for years. Kareem and Magic are also the only 2 consensus top 10 guys who have a long term teammate in the top 10 and nothing is really said about it. That said I still don't view Kobe/Shaq as equals in the 3- peat because in real time as it happened Kobe felt like and was seen as a sidekick, albeit of the highest order we'd seen. But yeah stuff like this is why I ask people about the rest of their top 10 when talking goat rankings.and such.

I suspect it is because Kareem and Magic were never both playing at their prime levels at the same time. So technically both played with another top 10 AT player but in practice it didn't have the effect it would in theory because they both weren't in their primes at the same time at any point.

Agree on Kobe. It was clear cut back then that Shaq was the guy--Kobe himself admitted so and that is why he was so big on wanting to win as "the man."


Didn't see your reply here, RR.

My fault

NP. :cheers:


Its rare to see with that KAJ nowadays though. Back when you and I were debating this over a decade ago? Yeah, it was more common, but still not used to demean either KAJ/Magic the way Kobe was. FOR YEARS. Like sdot, I was also a culprit of that, and mostly to jab back at Kobe fans claiming he was "far better" than LeBron. Or already on Jordan's level.

Yeah, nothing like Kobe. When I started here it was Kobe vs. MJ like it is LeBron vs. MJ and the MJ side was always hammering Kobe as a sidekick who won because of Shaq (which led them to note MJ never won without Pippen either, which fueled more of the Pippen hate from MJ fans).


I am a Jordan "fan"

Not a MJ "stain", though. :lol


Anyway, Pippen was definitely called a "sidekick" and criticized for it so you aren't wrong. Can think back to his Portland years. And beyond that here on ISH with you debating in those classic 100-page threads.

Yeah, and he arguably gets it worst than anyone because the argument is any schmoe could have won with MJ. If that was the case, MJ would have been fine with shipping Pippen out for a younger schmoe who would extend their window. We know the real story, though.

:lol the quality in those threads was much higher than what we have now.


Again, though, I don't think the severity was Kobe level. Shaq was rightfully the best player on those Laker teams. By the numbers, eye test, impact and hardware. Everything tangible. The thing is Kobe was so damn skilled and polarizing, you literally had a fanbase split in half. Didn't help matters when PJax or even Shaq himself would come out of nowhere and claim Kobe was "the best all-around player alive". Pippen never got that kind of attention, for better or worse.

Yeah, it was different because Kobe had a larger fan base than Shaq and his game was more entertaining so there was a push for him that only MJ, LeBron, Kobe have the fanbases to have.


Totally agree with your AD/Lebron take. Davis is great, but we're hearing more insane comparisons every day. With every Laker win, haters will cross that line from irrational to insane. The metamorphosis is wacky but absolutely real.

By Christmas AD will be #2 all-time behind MJ per 3ball and his disciples. :oldlol:

[StrongLurk]

Bro at this point in Lebron's career, I think even the extreme Lebron stans just want him to win a ring. Of course they want him to play well, but if he puts up something like 23/10/10 but loses FMVP to AD, the stans will still be happy.

[Roundball_Rock]

Bro at this point in Lebron's career, I think even the extreme Lebron stans just want him to win a ring. Of course they want him to play well, but if he puts up something like 23/10/10 but loses FMVP to AD, the stans will still be happy.

Yeah, LeBron stans seem to be better at seeing the big picture and are more secure than MJ stans. We aren't seeing a crusade against Davis from LeBron stans because LeBron stans are secure about LeBron's record without Davis. The biggest thing LeBron can do to enhance his case all-time is win a ring, regardless of who wins FMVP. Joe Dumars won a FMVP over Isiah, was considered better than Miller when both were in their primes and no one even talks about him 30 years later.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yeah, LeBron stans seem to be better at seeing the big picture and are more secure than MJ stans. We aren't seeing a crusade against Davis from LeBron stans because LeBron stans are secure about LeBron's record without Davis. The biggest thing LeBron can do to enhance his case all-time is win a ring, regardless of who wins FMVP. Joe Dumars won a FMVP over Isiah, was considered better than Miller when both were in their primes and no one even talks about him 30 years later.
You don't ever hear about Maxwell, Worthy & Parker winning FMVP''s either, it's all about rang count

[Roundball_Rock]

You don't ever hear about Maxwell, Worthy & Parker winning FMVP''s either, it's all about rang count

Yup. Deep down, LeBron haters get it too, hence the meltdowns. If they thought AD winning FMVP would somehow negate the ring for LeBron and thought AD had a great shot at said FMVP they would be waiting to see how the finals plays out. The meltdowns we are seeing tell us they don't think AD winning FMVP will impact LeBron--or they think he doesn't have a legit shot at winning it (even though they are telling us he is equal or better than Kareem), plus view the Lakers as locks to win the chip.

Realistically their only hope is the Lakers don't win the chip.

[red1]

Poor kid thinks ABA rings count :oldlol:

Might as well count conference finals trophies

:roll: :roll:

[And1AllDay]

Yup. Deep down, LeBron haters get it too, hence the meltdowns. If they thought AD winning FMVP would somehow negate the ring for LeBron and thought AD had a great shot at said FMVP they would be waiting to see how the finals plays out. The meltdowns we are seeing tell us they don't think AD winning FMVP will impact LeBron--or they think he doesn't have a legit shot at winning it (even though they are telling us he is equal or better than Kareem), plus view the Lakers as locks to win the chip.

Realistically their only hope is the Lakers don't win the chip.

if ad wins a fmvp we stay winning, that means id switch my avatar to match ad with his fmvp but the problem is I lose by old account 100x100 avy so nevermind!