1986-87 NBA season, someone explain this to me

[TheGoatest]

Dominique Wilkins with 0 other all-stars: 57-25 record in the east
Milwaukee Bucks, a team with 0 all-stars: 50-32 record in the east
Indiana Pacers, a team with 0 all-stars: 41-41 record in the east
Michael Jordan with 0 other all-stars: 40-42 record in the east

This was the last season before Scottie Pippen entered the league. Coincidence?

[SouBeachTalents]

1987 Lakers opponents

FR: 37-45
WCSF: 42-40
WCF 39-43

:biggums:

Makes LeBron's runs through the East look like a bloodbath

[GimmeThat]

the pressure cooker era, without it reaching its peak.

odd when looking back, the juicing era didn't even last more than 2-3 years

[iamgine]

Dominique Wilkins with 0 other all-stars: 57-25 record in the east
Milwaukee Bucks, a team with 0 all-stars: 50-32 record in the east
Indiana Pacers, a team with 0 all-stars: 41-41 record in the east
Michael Jordan with 0 other all-stars: 40-42 record in the east

This was the last season before Scottie Pippen entered the league. Coincidence?

There are vast difference of non all stars.

For example, Jaylen Brown is much better than Davis Bertans even though both are non all stars.

[TheGoatest]

There are vast difference of non all stars.

For example, Jaylen Brown is much better than Davis Bertans even though both are non all stars.

Sure, except in the case of the 1986-87 season, that argument actually works against Michael Jordan because in that season Jordan's teammate Charles Oakley averaged:

14.5 points
13.1 rebounds
3.6 assists

Since 1980, who else averaged these numbers over an entire season? Charles Barkley, Shaq, Kevin Garnett, Giannis and...? If anyone else from those 4 teams should've been an all-star, it was Oakley.

[iamgine]

Sure, except in the case of the 1986-87 season, that argument actually works against Michael Jordan because in that season Jordan's teammate Charles Oakley averaged:

14.5 points
13.1 rebounds
3.6 assists

Since 1980, who else averaged these numbers over an entire season? Charles Barkley, Kevin Garnett, Giannis and...? If anyone else from those 4 teams should've been an all-star, it was Oakley.
Stats doesn't make an all star. 2nd year Oakley was ok but not that good. The rest of the team was brutal.

[NBAGOAT]

there are also .500 teams that have 2-3 all stars so it balances out or the fan voters and coaches messed it up.

[TheGoatest]

Stats doesn't make an all star. 2nd year Oakley was ok but not that good. The rest of the team was brutal.

He was better or at least every bit as good as the second best player on the Hawks, Bucks and Pacers. Yet all those teams finished with better records, whereas the Bulls didn't even crack .500.

[iamgine]

He was better or at least every bit as good as the second best player on the Hawks, Bucks and Pacers. Yet all those teams finished with better records, whereas the Bulls didn't even crack .500.

Was he though.

[TheGoatest]

Was he though.

Yes. Any way you want to look at it. Aside from the team record, which the best player on Oakely's team failed to get to .500.

[iamgine]

Yes. Any way you want to look at it. Aside from the team record, which the best player on Oakely's team failed to get to .500.

What makes you so sure? Is it the stats?

[Phoenix]

1987 Lakers opponents

FR: 37-45
WCSF: 42-40
WCF 39-43

:biggums:

Makes LeBron's runs through the East look like a bloodbath

Damn. It would have been interesting if the Lakers were in the east. They'd have Boston and Philly in the early/mid 80s and Boston/Detroit in the second half of the decade, all teams that beat them in the finals at some point.

[TheGoatest]

What makes you so sure? Is it the stats?

The stats, and the fact that he got more all-star votes than anyone from those teams aside from Jordan, Wilkins and Sidney Moncrief, who played in 39 games that season and clearly didn't get any votes based on how well he played that season.

[iamgine]

The stats, and the fact that he got more all-star votes than anyone from those teams aside from Jordan, Wilkins and Sidney Moncrief, who played in 39 games that season and clearly didn't get any votes based on how well he played that season.

I dunno about that, Alex Caruso got a lot of votes.

[TheGoatest]

I dunno about that, Alex Caruso got a lot of votes.

Which would be taken more seriously had he averaged 15, 13 and 4 like Oakley.

[iamgine]

Which would be taken more seriously had he averaged 15, 13 and 4 like Oakley.

Sure but it shows all star votes are not about how well he played. For example, Moncrief as you said.

[TheGoatest]

Sure but it shows all star votes are not about how well he played. For example, Moncrief as you said.

He had the combination of stats and all-star votes. How else do you want me to measure him by? Team record? That's the point of this thread, to show that the record should've been better.

[ImKobe]

Sure, except in the case of the 1986-87 season, that argument actually works against Michael Jordan because in that season Jordan's teammate Charles Oakley averaged:

14.5 points
13.1 rebounds
3.6 assists

Since 1980, who else averaged these numbers over an entire season? Charles Barkley, Shaq, Kevin Garnett, Giannis and...? If anyone else from those 4 teams should've been an all-star, it was Oakley.

This shows you how stacked the Conference was that year in terms of all-star talent. Look at how deep the Bucks & Pacers were compared to what the Bulls had. Bucks had 6 guys average 14+ ppg in the Playoffs, Hawks had 3 all-star caliber players. Of course Oakley averaged those numbers, look at the talent on the Bulls, you couldn't name anyone outside of Oakley and Paxson from that '87 team without googling it.