Kawhi averaged 24/8/6 on 44% vs Nugs.. MJ would destroy this guy

[3ball]

Bird > Jokic

MJ > Lebron

Magic > Giannis

Dr. J, Penny, Kemp > Kawhi

Drexler, Hill > Harden

Shaq, Duncan, Kareem >


previous eras produced better players than today's format does

[Axe]

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[Roundball_Rock]

Davis isn't better than Kareem anymore? :lol

[ThatCoolKid]

Kawhi is MJ with a 3 point shot. MJ would have gotten his ass kicked by the nuggets.

[sdot_thadon]

Davis isn't better than Kareem anymore? :lol

Most definitely, Davis is a goat candidate according to op.

[MaxPlayer]

Acktually, the Spurs got worse when they swapped Kawhi for Derozan...

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi had like 7 games to warm up for playoffs and was playing in the prison bubble. The only comparable scenario is Jordan in 1995 playoffs.

Jordan vs magic in 1995: 21.6 GmSc on 54% TS

Kawhi vs Nuggets in 2020: 20.8 GmSc on 55% TS

Not much differences there. Shaq was never known for his defense either.

You got shit twisted, this bubble isn't about who is the best. Its about who's the last survivor in the prison bubble. Kawhi's team couldn't handle the bubble, not Denver. Kawhi also gets home sick, that's why he picked LA over a proven champion. Kawhi might as well have been wearing #45 out there. Score 36 points in game 5 and his supporting cast/coach was too incompetent to close the series.

[3ball]

Most definitely, Davis is a goat candidate according to op.


Teammate Career Rankings


PER:

Anthony Davis....3
Dwayne Wade......21
Kyrie Irving.....33
Kevin Love.......45
Chris Bosh.......62
Scottie Pippen...132
Horace Grant.....185

OBPM:

Anthony Davis....12
Kyrie Irving.....13
Dwayne Wade......25
Kevin Love.......29
Scottie Pippen...90
Chris Bosh.......102
Horace Grant.....107


WS/48:

Anthony Davis....13
Horace Grant.....55
Kevin Love.......57
Kyrie Irving.....68
Dwayne Wade......70
Chris Bosh.......76
Scottie Pippen...129

Ortg:

Horace Grant.....4 :biggums:
Anthony Davis....28
Kevin Love.......47
Kyrie Irving.....89
Chris Bosh.......107
Dwayne Wade......231
Scottie Pippen...NR top 250

Effective Field Goal Percentage:

Anthony Davis....86
Kyrie Irving.....99
Horace Grant.....206
Kevin Love.......225
Chris Bosh.......227
Scottie Pippen...244
Dwayne Wade......NR top 250

True Shooting:

Anthony Davis.....41
Kyrie Irving......84
Chris Bosh........89
Kevin Love........92
Dwayne Wade.......183
Dennis Rodman.....244 :rockon:
Scoottie Pippen...NR top 250 :facepalm
Horace Grant......NR top 250

BPM:

Anthony Davis.....12
Dwayne Wade.......22
Kyrie Irving......32
Scottie Pippen....35 :applause:
Kevin Love........48
Chris Bosh........134
Horace Grant......176


Notice that all the real stats that are actually measuring something tangible (PER, OBPM, Ortg, WS/48, eFG%, TS%, etc) actually correlate very closely with one another in rankings. They all say that Pippen was maybe a top-100 offensive player all-time. Pippen wasn't even a Chris Bosh level offensive talent. Also, Scottie Pippen's BPM ranking is wildly incongruous because it rewards defensive stars playing on great defensive teams. From BREF about the BPM 2.0 changes:




When basketball reference reworked BPM in 2016, players like John Stockton (another Pippen-like two-way player) saw their career BPM double. And here is the kicker... Even with that bonus bump gifted to him and playing on the best defensive teams of all-time practically his entire career, Pippen wouldn't even be a top-three impact player compared to Lebron's teammates. All-time Pippen is just slightly better than Kevin Love.

In summation, in order for Lebron to be on the level of Jordan, he would need to win six titles and win six Finals MVP's with a Chris Bosh/Kevin Love level player as his second option.

Lebron fans...

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[Roundball_Rock]

Most definitely, Davis is a goat candidate according to op.

OP's all-time list?

1) MJ
2) Davis
3) Kareem
4) Wilt
5) Wade
6) Irving
7) Ingram
8) Ewing
9) Magic
10) Miller

[3ball]

Teammate Career Rankings


PER:

Anthony Davis....3
Dwayne Wade......21
Kyrie Irving.....33
Kevin Love.......45
Chris Bosh.......62
Scottie Pippen...132
Horace Grant.....185


OBPM:

Anthony Davis....12
Kyrie Irving.....13
Dwayne Wade......25
Kevin Love.......29
Scottie Pippen...90
Chris Bosh.......102
Horace Grant.....107



WS/48:

Anthony Davis....13
Horace Grant.....55
Kevin Love.......57
Kyrie Irving.....68
Dwayne Wade......70
Chris Bosh.......76
Scottie Pippen...129


Ortg:

Horace Grant.....4 :biggums:
Anthony Davis....28
Kevin Love.......47
Kyrie Irving.....89
Chris Bosh.......107
Dwayne Wade......231
Scottie Pippen...NR top 250


Effective Field Goal Percentage:

Anthony Davis....86
Kyrie Irving.....99
Horace Grant.....206
Kevin Love.......225
Chris Bosh.......227
Scottie Pippen...244
Dwayne Wade......NR top 250


True Shooting:

Anthony Davis.....41
Kyrie Irving......84
Chris Bosh........89
Kevin Love........92
Dwayne Wade.......183
Dennis Rodman.....244 :rockon:
Scoottie Pippen...NR top 250 :facepalm
Horace Grant......NR top 250


BPM:

Anthony Davis.....12
Dwayne Wade.......22
Kyrie Irving......32
Scottie Pippen....35 :applause:
Kevin Love........48
Chris Bosh........134
Horace Grant......176


Notice that all the real stats that are actually measuring something tangible (PER, OBPM, Ortg, WS/48, eFG%, TS%, etc) actually correlate very closely with one another in rankings. They all say that Pippen was maybe a top-100 offensive player all-time. Pippen wasn't even a Chris Bosh level offensive talent. Also, Scottie Pippen's BPM ranking is wildly incongruous because it rewards defensive stars playing on great defensive teams. From BREF about the BPM 2.0 changes:




When basketball reference reworked BPM in 2016, players like John Stockton (another Pippen-like two-way player) saw their career BPM double. And here is the kicker... Even with that bonus bump gifted to him and playing on the best defensive teams of all-time practically his entire career, Pippen wouldn't even be a top-three impact player compared to Lebron's teammates. All-time Pippen is just slightly better than Kevin Love.

In summation, in order for Lebron to be on the level of Jordan, he would need to win six titles and win six Finals MVP's with a Chris Bosh/Kevin Love level player as his second option.

Lebron fans...

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sdot?

you still breathing?

even pippen's best stat - the steals-heavy BPM - pippen would rank 4th among Lebron's teammates

lol.. lebron is HANDED rings via his cheating, aka cast refresh every 4 years

[SouBeachTalents]

Penny & Kemp > Kawhi :oldlol: Hilarious

[3ball]

Penny & Kemp > Kawhi :oldlol: Hilarious

24 on 44% vs Murray

Both Penny and Kemp did better vs Jordan

[Roundball_Rock]

Penny & Kemp > Kawhi :oldlol: Hilarious

The same Kemp who all-NBA voters thought Pippen was better in each year of their primes. Hell, half a season of Pippen was worth more to all-NBA voters than a full season of Kemp in 98'. :lol So Pippen=Iggy but Pippen>Kemp when both were in their primes (1993-1998), yet Kemp>Kawhi? :biggums:

[SouBeachTalents]

24 on 44% vs Murray

Both Penny and Kemp did better vs Jordan
How about 31 on 62%TS for an entire title run, when did Penny or Kemp ever do that? Or win multiple DPOY's?

[Roundball_Rock]

How about 31 on 62%TS for an entire title run, when did Penny or Kemp ever do that? Or win multiple DPOY's?

Penny and Kemp both did a lot worse as #1 options (not all 90's "sidekicks" could graduate to being a #1 option like Pippen did). Kawhi as a #1 option blows Penny and Kemp away. Kemp was a mess as a #1 in Cleveland. The Cavs didn't recover from the Kemp trade until they drafted LeBron to revive the franchise.

[3ball]

The same Kemp who all-NBA voters thought Pippen was better in each year of their primes. Hell, half a season of Pippen was worth more to all-NBA voters than a full season of Kemp in 98'. :lol So Pippen=Iggy but Pippen>Kemp when both were in their primes (1993-1998), yet Kemp>Kawhi? :biggums:

it's like comparing the accolades of a rich kid that gets private school and trust fund, to a poor kid from Watts.. obviously, Pippen had the better situation and help, so the resulting winning spotlight inflated his weaker production compared to kemp

[Gohan]

Drexler can’t touch harden I don’t even care if harden is good during the regular season

[Shooter]

MJ cemented #2 with 5987

#NeededThat7000+playa

[RRR3]

Penny & Kemp > Kawhi :oldlol: Hilarious
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Roundball_Rock]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Didn't he say Drexler and Payton>Curry or something equally ridiculous too?

[SouBeachTalents]

Didn't he say Drexler and Payton>Curry or something equally ridiculous too?
It's even more hilarious that Kemp > Kawhi but AD = Kareem

[RRR3]

It's even more hilarious that Kemp > Kawhi but AD = Kareem
Dude is on meth.

[Roundball_Rock]

It's even more hilarious that Kemp > Kawhi but AD = Kareem

Hmmm...

Kawhi>AD (consensus--AD has never been in the best player discussion like Kawhi)
AD=Kareem (he says equal, his disciple tpols says AD>Kareem)

That implies Kawhi>Kareem yet Kemp>Kawhi? I guess that means the following: Kemp>AD=Kareem>Kawhi. Kemp the GOAT (never made all-NBA first team or be a MVP candidate somehow, doe)?

[SouBeachTalents]

Hmmm...

Kawhi>AD (consensus--AD has never been in the best player discussion like Kawhi)
AD=Kareem (he says equal, his disciple tpols says AD>Kareem)

That implies Kawhi>Kareem yet Kemp>Kawhi? I guess that means the following: Kemp>AD=Kareem>Kawhi. Kemp the GOAT (never made all-NBA first team or be a MVP candidate somehow, doe)?
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[Roundball_Rock]

https://media.giphy.com/media/ohdY5OaQmUmVW/giphy.gif

:lol

[3ball]

Hmmm...

Kawhi>AD (consensus--AD has never been in the best player discussion like Kawhi)
AD=Kareem (he says equal, his disciple tpols says AD>Kareem)

That implies Kawhi>Kareem yet Kemp>Kawhi? I guess that means the following: Kemp>AD=Kareem>Kawhi. Kemp the GOAT (never made all-NBA first team or be a MVP candidate somehow, doe)?

this playoff run proves Kawhi was vastly overrated

the reality is that he won in 2014 with 16 ppg because of the spurs' system and lebron quit.. then he plugs into the raps that had been together forever.. he's a team-hopper like lebron, but not as good at it

Drexler outperforms Kawhi in all those scenarios

[Shooter]

this playoff run proves Kawhi was vastly overrated

the reality is that he won in 2014 with 16 ppg because of the spurs' system and lebron quit.. then he plugged into a team that had been together forever

Drexler outperforms Kawhi in all those scenarios

He is a modern upgraded MJ. Let that sink in.

Jamal Murray would be the goat of the 90s if he swapped with MJ.

[Roundball_Rock]

Harden>Drexler.
Kawhi>Harden.

Drexler got outplayed in a NBA finals by a player you say "sucked" (including watching a 15 point fourth quarter lead evaporate in Game 6 with that "bad" player leading the charge with 4 bench players. Drexler couldn't stop "90's Iggy" and 4 bench players with a chip on the line? :lol ).

[Basketball r Us]

Clippers should have played Kawhi every other game....he would have been great on Game 7.

[G0ATbe]

I mean Kawhi is the closest thing to Jordan not named Derozan in todays league. MJ was basically a shorter more frail looking version of Kawhi. MJ stans were talking about him like he was the reincarnation of late 90s MJ only a few weeks ago.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

The only version of MJ that wouldve done worse than Kawhi against Denver was Wizards MJ

Even rookie MJ wouldve lit up that team

[Marchesk]

The only version of MJ that wouldve done worse than Kawhi against Denver was Wizards MJ

Even rookie MJ wouldve lit up that team

Imagine any non-Wizards version of MJ settling for missed threes and no FTs in the fourth quarters of close out games.

Imagine Phil Jackson after the game talking about how he had to keep subbing players because they were tired, because they were load managed all season.

Jordan the same dude that would stay up all night playing poker.

:roll: :roll:

Imagine the Bulls getting wrecked by some soft, chubby Euro.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[G0ATbe]

:roll: :roll:

Imagine the Bulls getting wrecked by some soft, chubby Euro.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

The playstyle MJ fans fell in love with in the 90s just got exposed against modern day competition it is what it is. Kawhi isn't overrated, his playstyle is. All around inside out phenoms like LeBron are king today. Guys who can get to the rim at will and pull up from the logo seamlessly. Playing like MJ was Kawhis downfall.