What if players had to shoot all jumpers and couldn't shoot at rim? Stats say that..

[3ball]

MJ/Kobe would be the best players BY FAR, because no one made anywhere near the jumpshooting variety or VOLUME that they made.. they could average 30+ by shooting all jumpers, while guys with poor jumpshooting skill (lebron) would average maybe 10 ppg or less.

both MJ/Kobe made over 700 jumpshots in their peak seasons - that's 250 more than lebron or curry's highest volume seasons, and at an efficiency that exceeded lebron's best jumpshooting seasons

[Wally450]

Cool story bro

[red1]

yes yes quite true OP



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[Shooter]

What if they didnt have to?

Oh, it would just be the NBA?

Thanks bye

[LAmbruh]

yes yes quite true OP



https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DetailedAdvancedCutworm-size_restricted.gif

:roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

At least that settles LeBron > AD

[sdot_thadon]

Wtf is this bullshit?

[NBAGOAT]

The answer to this is dirk but guessing you didn’t watch him either. No one took such a high amount of jump shots on his accuracy and he had 3 pt range too.

No offense to Kobe but there are multiple stars better than him at jumpshooting. Kd is an obvious choice clearly better at it. Ofc idk if you’ve watched kd either

[SouBeachTalents]

The answer to this is dirk but guessing you didn’t watch him either. No one took such a high amount of jump shots on his accuracy and he had 3 pt range too.

No offense to Kobe but there are multiple stars better than him at jumpshooting. Kd is an obvious choice clearly better at it. Ofc idk if you’ve watched kd either
OP had admitted he hasn't watched an NBA game in 10 years

[3ball]

Cool story bro


Effective FG% on all jumpshots for Curry, MJ, Lebron


.................eFG% All Jumpshots

Lebron 2004 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 35.6%, 324/998
Lebron 2005 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.9%, 400/1136
Lebron 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.7%, 423/1166
Lebron 2007 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.5%, 372/1066
Lebron 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.4%, 338/1001
Lebron 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 42.2%, 366/1024
Lebron 2010 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.4%, 356/970
Lebron 2011 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.4%, 393/968
Lebron 2012 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.7%, 290/726
Lebron 2013 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 49.0%, 333/784
Lebron 2014 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2013-14&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.0%, 288/736
Lebron 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.1%, 280/788
Lebron 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.0%, 181/543

Bryant 2000 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 38.5%, 328/851
Bryant 2001 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.0%, 460/1141
Bryant 2002 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.8%, 478/1184
Bryant 2003 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2002-03&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.1%, 597/1494
Bryant 2004 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 40.3%, 282/787
Bryant 2005 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.5%, 346/947
Bryant 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.5%, 709/1724
Bryant 2007 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.7%, 556/1358
Bryant 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.6%, 468/1217
Bryant 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.0%, 519/1285


Jordan 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/893/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 51.2%, 727/1528


Currry 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 56.0%, 424/1029
Currry 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 62.9%, 389/847



both MJ/Kobe made over 700 jumpshots in their peak seasons - that's 250 more than lebron or curry's highest volume seasons, and at an efficiency that exceeded lebron's best jumpshooting seasons

btw, Lebron shoots worse at higher volume, while Kobe/MJ maintain their efficiency because they're simply much better jumpshooters (greater jumpshooting repertoire - they can get jumpers off in many more ways with greater accuracy)

Infact, their volume and greater contested shooting ability makes them better jumpshooters than Curry

[ThatCoolKid]

What if the players just played basketball normally? Oh, Lebron is the GOAT? K thx.

[sdot_thadon]

What if the players just played basketball normally? Oh, Lebron is the GOAT? K thx.

:oldlol:

[3ball]

What if the players just played basketball normally? Oh, Lebron is the GOAT? K thx.

only jordan was a goat driver and goat jumpshooter.. ONLY jordan has this.. so no

[Roundball_Rock]

This guy is increasingly losing it. LeBron 7 wins away from another chip. :oldlol:

[3ball]

This guy is increasingly losing it. LeBron 7 wins away from another chip. :oldlol:

my arguments are unaffected by Lebron's 4th ring and infact become more relevant

he'll always have a skill restriction to ball-domination, so he can never play the best brand that dominates the championship level.. ultimately, his skillset turns teammates to play-finishers, which doesn't develop brand or young players, thus forcing him to team-hop for ready-made stars.. that's sad and not even top 10, let alone #2..

essentially, his lack of jumpshooting skill prevents him from playing the off-ball "shooter" role, thus keeping him on-ball and hogging the passing duties (low assist teams and low ball movement brand that goes 4/10 on the championship level)

so get ready for people to do more deep dives and my arguments to become more standard.. lebron will never be goat because the facts and his skills don't support it

[AlternativeAcc.]

my arguments are unaffected by Lebron's 4th ring and infact become more relevant

he'll always have a skill restriction to ball-domination, so he can never play the best brand that dominates the championship level.. ultimately, his skillset turns teammates to play-finishers, which doesn't develop brand or young players, thus forcing him to team-hop for ready-made stars.. that's sad and not even top 10, let alone #2..

essentially, his lack of jumpshooting skill prevents him from playing the off-ball "shooter" role, thus keeping him on-ball and hogging the passing duties (low assist teams and low ball movement brand that goes 4/10 on the championship level)

so get ready for people to do more deep dives and my arguments to become more standard.. lebron will never be goat because the facts and his skills don't support it

Why did Kobe only win 2 rings after age 24, but LeBron doubled that

If Kobe's style dominates the finals?

Don't forget, Kobe was gift-wrapped peak Gasol, and also formed a super-team with young Dwight and Nash so LeBron having Kyrie, Love, and Davis (while going up against way better comp) pales in comparison to the help Kobe had, yet baldbe only 2 rings after age 24

[Roundball_Rock]

ultimately, his skillset turns teammates to play-finishers, which doesn't develop brand or young players, thus forcing him to team-hop for ready-made stars.. that's sad and not even top 10, let alone #2..

MJ stans: "All of MJ's teammates sucked, MJ won rangz all by himself."
LeBron stans: "Look at how great LeElevate makes his teammates."

No MJ stain tells us how bad every single MJ teammate was more than 1-9ball. Now we are hearing talk about how brand of play affects teammates when one of the most frequent arguments by the LeBron side is his ability to be "LeElevate" and MJ stans tell us MJ got zero from all of his teammates. :oldlol:

[3ball]

Why did Kobe only win 2 rings after age 24, but LeBron doubled that

If Kobe's style dominates the finals?

Don't forget, Kobe was gift-wrapped peak Gasol, and also formed a super-team with young Dwight and Nash so LeBron having Kyrie, Love, and Davis (while going up against way better comp) pales in comparison to the help Kobe had, yet baldbe only 2 rings after age 24

kobe was past his prime when he got Nash and Dwight, who were also past their primes

otoh, lebron keeps refreshing his cast with prime studs every 4 years.. he's gotten a cast refresh of prime studs 3 times to Kobe's 2

ultimately, a team can't have a great brand of ball if the team's best player dominates the ball and CAN'T play the shooter role, aka Giannis, Wall, Harden, Lebron... of course, AD is the best player on these Lakers, similar to kareem on the 80's Lakers... but we see how tragic magic and lebron's ball-dominance puts downward pressure on their Finals record (magic was only 5-4 in Finals including the 88' robbery from Pistons)

[Shooter]

What if the players just played basketball normally? Oh, Lebron is the GOAT? K thx.

:roll: :roll:

[1987_Lakers]

only jordan was a goat driver and goat jumpshooter.. ONLY jordan has this.. so no


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5XOnpCBdiA

Bron is a better 3 point shooter and finisher, no debate.

[Roundball_Rock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5XOnpCBdiA

Bron is a better 3 point shooter and finisher, no debate.

Isn't it ironic his biggest stan on ISH is named "3ball"? :lol

[Shooter]

Isn't it ironic his biggest stan on ISH is named "3ball"? :lol

#TheWNBAyears :lol
#PreLegalZoneDefense :lol
#WITHscottie :lol

Fraudon

[3ball]

#TheWNBAyears :lol
#PreLegalZoneDefense :lol
#WITHscottie :lol

Fraudon

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-19-2020/asU2dk.gif
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B_PLqODJ7LM&t=0m35s

mj could average 30+ on all jumpers and lebron would average 10 ppg max

and mj had goat finishing too:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?384007-LeBron-James-Top-100-Plays-of-Career/page4&p=11635477#post11635477

[Manny98]

yes yes quite true OP



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:roll:

[TheCorporation]

yes yes quite true OP



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:roll: :roll:

[3ball]

:roll: :roll:

lebron has zero carry-jobs where he won by averaging A LOT more than teammates.. leading teammates by 1 ppg or 1 rpg is nothing compared to what jordan did

you stan a guy that gets 15-16 pts and lets his teammate carry him.. otoh, Pippen averaged that much in the 98' ECF and Finals, so mj carried the team

[Shooter]

lebron has zero carry-jobs where he won by averaging A LOT more than teammates.. leading teammates by 1 ppg or 1 rpg is nothing compared to what jordan did

you stan a guy that gets 15-16 pts and lets his teammate carry him.. otoh, Pippen averaged that much in the 98' ECF and Finals, so mj carried the team

show me the opponents with 10.7 ppg Finals #2 options like 1998 Jazz Jeff Hornacek :lol

League is thicc stacked

Try again

[3ball]

show me the opponents with 10.7 ppg Finals #2 options like 1998 Jazz Jeff Hornacek :lol

League is thicc stacked

Try again

BPM

stockton.. 6.8
pippen..... 4.1


and lebron leads teammates by 1 in every category, while mj leads everyone by 20 ppg and still more apg and dpoy votes (lebron zero votes)... no comparison

[Shooter]

BPM

stockton.. 6.8
pippen..... 4.1


and lebron leads teammates by 1 in every category, while mj leads everyone by 20 ppg and still more apg and dpoy votes (lebron zero votes)... no comparison

ppg only please

I heard its all that matters

Thanks

[3ball]

ppg only please

I heard its all that matters

Thanks
pippen was outscored by the opponent's 2nd leading scorer or matched with better efficiency in 40% of his playoff series

otoh, guys like Kyrie and AD are virtually never outscored, even by the opponent's top scorer

[TheCorporation]

pippen peak capability - 22 ppg

everyone else - way more than 22

Scottie Pippen outscored the opponent's #2 option in 5 of 6 Finals.

Why are you 2 ez to wreck?

[3ball]

Scottie Pippen outscored the opponent's #2 option in 5 of 6 Finals.

Why are you 2 ez to wreck?

pippen was outscored by the opponent's 2nd leading scorer or matched with better efficiency in 40% of his playoff series

otoh, guys like Kyrie and AD are virtually never outscored, even by the opponent's top scorer

you guys know nothing about basketball and only embarass yourselves against me

[TheCorporation]

pippen was outscored by the opponent's 2nd leading scorer or matched with better efficiency in 40% of his playoff series

otoh, guys like Kyrie and AD are virtually never outscored, even by the opponent's top scorer

you guys know nothing about basketball and only embarass yourselves against me

https://i.postimg.cc/dDMgjpM3/20113086-223992399.jpg

You're geting weaker and weaker over the years. Be better.

[ralph_i_el]

MJ and Kobe's jumpshooting benefited from their strong driving games. Without driving, they're facing tougher defense on their J's.

Dirk would probably benefit the most. KD and Curry too.

[iamgine]

What if players had to eat 20 Big Macs before every game.

Charles Barkley might be the GOAT.

[1987_Lakers]

pippen was outscored by the opponent's 2nd leading scorer or matched with better efficiency in 40% of his playoff series

otoh, guys like Kyrie and AD are virtually never outscored, even by the opponent's top scorer

Pippen is an all-time great defender and plays the facilitating role as well, that counts as basketball. We all saw Pippen lead the Bulls to 55 wins, make All-NBA First Team & Defensive team without MJ.

Kyrie has proven to be a low impact player once he left Cleveland, as evident how his team plays better without him in the lineup, he's obviously a very talented player, but nobody considers him to be on the same level as prime Pippen.

[TheCorporation]

Pippen is an all-time great defender and plays the facilitating role as well, that counts as basketball. We all saw Pippen lead the Bulls to 55 wins, make All-NBA First Team & Defensive team without MJ.

Kyrie has proven to be a low impact player once he left Cleveland, as evident how his team plays better without him in the lineup, he's obviously a very talented player, but nobody considers him to be on the same level as prime Pippen.

bingo

How dumb is this 1-9 ball guy to not know basketball BASICS

[3ball]

Pippen is an all-time great defender and plays the facilitating role as well, that counts as basketball. We all saw Pippen lead the Bulls to 55 wins, make All-NBA First Team & Defensive team without MJ.

Kyrie has proven to be a low impact player once he left Cleveland, as evident how his team plays better without him in the lineup, he's obviously a very talented player, but nobody considers him to be on the same level as prime Pippen.
AD is a better defender than Pippen, but if he scored 16 on 40% like Pippen always did, the Lakers would get blown away.. they would get destroyed even if AD was getting peak Pippen numbers

and everyone win 55 games... Lowry just did it.. it means zero.. literally everyone does it... dominique did it with zero help... KJ and Marc Gasol routinely did it.. again, it means literally nothing.. if lebron joined the lowry-raptors and went 6/6 with goat production rate, he would be the goat hands down.. that's what MJ did, except he built a lowry-cast and dynasty from SCRATCH.. so mj is like the uber-goat.. just saying "goat" doesn't do mj justice

[TheCorporation]

AD is a better defender than Pippen, but if he scored 16 on 40% like Pippen always did, the Lakers would get blown away.. they would get blownied even if AD was getting peak Pippen numbers

and everyone win 55 games... Lowry just did it.. it means zero.. literally everyone does it... dominique did it with zero help... KJ and Marc Gasol routinely did it.. again, it means literally nothing.. if lebron joined the lowry-raptors and went 6/6 with goat production rate, he would be the goat hands down.. that's what MJ did, except he built a lowry-cast and dynasty from SCRATCH.. so mj is like the uber-goat

Pip made MJ. You forgot 1-9 already?

https://i.postimg.cc/sxQfmm9F/23has-Asavior-PIP.jpg

[3ball]

Pip made MJ. You forgot 1-9 already?

https://i.postimg.cc/sxQfmm9F/23has-Asavior-PIP.jpg

^^^ same goes for Lebron's career before "the decision" to assemble the only team with 3 perennial all-stars, or acquire Tim Duncan (AD)

everyone needs help, but Pippen is less than every other multiple-champion got, except maybe hakeem's rockets, who where playing in a weaker league (imagine 2017 without the warriors, aka a free-for-all.. anyone can win)

[TheCorporation]

^^^ same goes for Lebron's career before "the decision" to assemble the only team with 3 perennial all-stars, or acquire Tim Duncan (AD)

everyone needs help, but Pippen is less than every other multiple-champion got, except maybe hakeem's rockets, who where playing in a weaker league (imagine 2017 without the warriors, aka a free-for-all.. anyone can win)

2013 playoff Wade scored fewer ppg than ANY Pippen playoff chip runs (all 6 years)

You're running out of excuses :lol

[1987_Lakers]

AD is a better defender than Pippen, but if he scored 16 on 40% like Pippen always did, the Lakers would get blown away.. they would get destroyed even if AD was getting peak Pippen numbers

and everyone win 55 games... Lowry just did it.. it means zero.. literally everyone does it... dominique did it with zero help... KJ and Marc Gasol routinely did it.. again, it means literally nothing.. if lebron joined the lowry-raptors and went 6/6 with goat production rate, he would be the goat hands down.. that's what MJ did, except he built a lowry-cast and dynasty from SCRATCH.. so mj is like the uber-goat.. just saying "goat" doesn't do mj justice

Pippen from the '91-'98 postseason averaged 19/8/6/2 with All-NBA defense. He was especially good in the first 3 peat. In the 2nd 3 peat MJ didn't need much of Pippen's help because he was going up against a team who's 2nd leading scorer was Jeff Hornacek. LeBron was going up against all-time great teams in the Finals from 2014-2018, that is not disputed. LeBron even played better than 2nd 3 peat MJ in the postseason during that time as well.

'16-'18 PS LeBron: 31/9/8/2/1 on 54 fg%
'96-'98 PS MJ: 31/6/4/2 on 46 fg%

LeBron clearly outplayed MJ, only difference is LeBron was going up against a 73 win team in the Finals and a KD-Curry-Klay-Dray team the next 2 years. Let's be real, those Bulls teams wouldn't sniff a title if they went up against the KD Warriors, you know it and I know it.

[insidious301]

The problem is most, including these players, don't just shoot jumpers. This is the same thing as wanting to eliminate the 3-point line. Fantasy basketball is cool but in the real world, LeBron is still better than Kobe and right there with Jordan.

[1987_Lakers]

^^^ same goes for Lebron's career before "the decision" to assemble the only team with 3 perennial all-stars, or acquire Tim Duncan (AD)

everyone needs help, but Pippen is less than every other multiple-champion got, except maybe hakeem's rockets, who where playing in a weaker league (imagine 2017 without the warriors, aka a free-for-all.. anyone can win)

LeBron made the Finals at age 22 with zero help. MJ was a guaranteed 1st round exit without Pippen. :lol

[Roundball_Rock]

87' Lakers next up to wreck 1-9ball. Doesn't he get tired of being the forum jizz rag? :lol


Pippen is an all-time great defender and plays the facilitating role as well, that counts as basketball. We all saw Pippen lead the Bulls to 55 wins, make All-NBA First Team & Defensive team without MJ.

Kyrie has proven to be a low impact player once he left Cleveland, as evident how his team plays better without him in the lineup, he's obviously a very talented player, but nobody considers him to be on the same level as prime Pippen.

Cold, hard facts to anyone living in the real world.


Pippen from the '91-'98 postseason averaged 19/8/6/2 with All-NBA defense. He was especially good in the first 3 peat. In the 2nd 3 peat MJ didn't need much of Pippen's help because he was going up against a team who's 2nd leading scorer was Jeff Hornacek. LeBron was going up against all-time great teams in the Finals from 2014-2018, that is not disputed. LeBron even played better than 2nd 3 peat MJ in the postseason during that time as well.

'16-'18 PS LeBron: 31/9/8/2/1 on 54 fg%
'96-'98 PS MJ: 31/6/4/2 on 46 fg%

LeBron clearly outplayed MJ, only difference is LeBron was going up against a 73 win team in the Finals and a KD-Curry-Klay-Dray team the next 2 years. Let's be real, those Bulls teams wouldn't sniff a title if they went up against the KD Warriors, you know it and I know it.

Good points. I'll add scoring was down by the late 90's so everyone's scoring declined. Pippen in 97' averaged 20 PPG when he played full games (he had a 7 minute game in there) and was being called the Bulls' postseason MVP well into June by Sports Illustrated and Marv Albert. In 98' he wrecked the offenses of Utah (the #1 offense with the great Malone and Stockton that MJ stans rave about) and Indiana (with the great Miller MJ stans rave about).

Note that they never post what other stars scored in the same era? Because they keep getting exposed for hyping other stars as "great scorers" despite them in reality being in the 18-22 PPG range during the same era. MJ stans would like to deceive people into thinking everyone was scoring 30 PPG back then. Among perimeter players, it was just MJ and Nique' scoring a ton.


LeBron made the Finals at age 22 with zero help. MJ was a guaranteed 1st round exit without Pippen. :lol

:oldlol: Which is what the insecurity is about. I almost wish MJ would come out of retirement and sign with the Lakers or something and have some team success without Pippen so MJ stans don't have to be forever insecure about Pippen.

LeBron: 7 conference finals, 5 (6?) NBA finals without Wade
Jordan: 10 playoff game appearances, 1 playoff win without Pippen

That is what it boils down with insecure MJ stans. :lol Their hero literally quit as reigning MVP rather than play without Pippen and Jackson. LeBron in that situation would either make it work in Chicago or go to another team and get to the finals there.

[FireDavidKahn]

And?

If players were only allowed to shoot transition 3's from the logo then LeBron would be the winner.

[TheCorporation]

I almost wish MJ would come out of retirement and sign with the Lakers or something and have some team success without Pippen so MJ stans don't have to be forever insecure about Pippen.

LeBron: 7 conference finals, 5 (6?) NBA finals without Wade
Jordan: 10 playoff game appearances, 1 playoff win without Pippen

That is what it boils down with insecure MJ stans. :lol Their hero literally quit as reigning MVP rather than play without Pippen and Jackson. LeBron in that situation would either make it work in Chicago or go to another team and get to the finals there.

Devastating :eek:

[3ball]

That is what it boils down with insecure MJ stans. :lol Their hero literally quit as reigning MVP rather than play without Pippen and Jackson. LeBron in that situation would either make it work in Chicago or go to another team and get to the finals there


.
lebron hops onto the league favorite (11', 15', 20') - he doesn't build champions like MJ did

MJ didn't want to start over building another dynasty from scratch at 35 years old, so he retired.. I'm sure if the bulls had acquired Duncan, MJ might've reconsiders since MJ/Duncan would be repeat champs instantly - no building required.. and that's the path lebron takes - he doesn't build anything - he plays on Year 1 favorites (easiest path possible)

[And1AllDay]

lebron hops onto the league favorite (11', 15', 20') - he doesn't build champions like MJ did

MJ didn't want to start over building another dynasty from scratch at 35 years old, so he retired.. I'm sure if the bulls had acquired Duncan, MJ might've reconsiders since MJ/Duncan would be repeat champs instantly - no building required.. and that's the path lebron takes - he doesn't build anything - he plays on Year 1 favorites (easiest path possible)

bran looking at mjs numbers like

https://i.postimg.cc/YSH8nrfb/nba-point-leader.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/PrBw5BYn/tenor.gif

[BigtimeNBAFan]

This guy is increasingly losing it. LeBron 7 wins away from another chip. :oldlol:

Yeah this is a weird thread. Different players have different skillsets. Shaq is one of the best players of all time and surprise surprise he didn't become one of the greats shooting jumpers.

And I keep telling them to wait before melting down. I think Lebron gets it done, but a lot of work left.

[BigtimeNBAFan]

lebron hops onto the league favorite (11', 15', 20') - he doesn't build champions like MJ did

MJ didn't want to start over building another dynasty from scratch at 35 years old, so he retired.. I'm sure if the bulls had acquired Duncan, MJ might've reconsiders since MJ/Duncan would be repeat champs instantly - no building required.. and that's the path lebron takes - he doesn't build anything - he plays on Year 1 favorites (easiest path possible)

MJ didn't build a championship team. Jerry Krause did. And Lebron left a team in the Finals to go to a mess in LA. Even this year, all you guys were saying the Clippers would beat the Lakers. It has only been the last week that you have switched to "easy title for Lebron since AD is Kareem and Rondo is incredible." You guys certainly weren't saying this all year.

[3ball]

MJ didn't build a championship team. Jerry Krause did. And Lebron left a team in the Finals to go to a mess in LA. Even this year, all you guys were saying the Clippers would beat the Lakers. It has only been the last week that you have switched to "easy title for Lebron since AD is Kareem and Rondo is incredible." You guys certainly weren't saying this all year.
Vegas Favorite

2011 Preseason...... Heat
2011 Pre-Playoffs... Heat

2015 Preseason...... Cavs
2015 Pre-Playoffs... Cavs

^^^ Year 1 favorite = easiest path possible

Year 1 favorite is obviously easier than developing favorite status over several years like MJ and others did

Actually, the only easier path would be acquiring Tim Duncan, aka AD... if timmy is your frieking SIDEKICK, how could you lose?.. heck, Kawhi only needed to average 16 to win with a 2-way presence like Duncan... lebron is doing the same in Game 1, where he won easily while scoring 15

[3ball]

MJ didn't build a championship team. Jerry Krause did.




it isn't impressive GM'ing to assemble a team that requires the #1 option to average 5 more than everyone in playoff history

and win every title as scoring champ

and double his sidekick's scoring average while assisting 33% more often and getting more dpoy votes every year

that is NOT good GM'ing or an optimally-built team

btw, jordan developed the bulls' execution of the triangle and also rookies like Pip, BJ, and Grant, who saw there stats grow by leaps and bounds alongside mj (and all three have significant video of them crediting mj as the reason for their accolades).. so mj did develop a champion

[1987_Lakers]

lebron hops onto the league favorite (11', 15', 20') - he doesn't build champions like MJ did

LeBron joined a rebuilding team in LA, even when they added AD the Clippers were pre-season favorites to win it all.

[ELITEpower23]

bran looking at mjs numbers like

https://i.postimg.cc/YSH8nrfb/nba-point-leader.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/PrBw5BYn/tenor.gif

Ignored of course