Is 2020 the worst conference finals in NBA history?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Is this the worst conference finals in NBA history?

Between east and west conference finals. There is 1 legit all time great in LeBron. 1 all-time great between 4 teams wow.

[theballerFKA Ace]

That's what happens when the rest of the "all time greats" have all gone fishing.

[LoneyROY7]

Imagine losing a 3-1 lead to one of those teams w/o an all-time great.

[RRR3]

Not sure how it’s LeBron’s fault Kawhi pooped his pants in the clutch.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Imagine losing a 3-1 lead to one of those teams w/o an all-time great.

Exactly. Can't blame that on kawhi though, Doc Rivers was putting 6"7 Montrez Harrell on Jokic. You're a rockets fan, you should know first hand how Dumb'toni midget ball style doesn't work in playoffs.

Kawhi also had 36 points in the game 5 potential closeout game.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Not sure how it’s LeBron’s fault Kawhi pooped his pants in the clutch.

36 points isn't good enough for a closeout game, your team isn't good enough. Plenty of all time greats have scored less then that in closeout games and still won.

[RRR3]

Kawhi was 1-11 in the second half of game 7 :yaohappy:

When the pressure is on, Kawhi folds like a cheap tent if he doesn’t have an elite system to back him up.

[RRR3]

36 points isn't good enough for a closeout game, your team isn't good enough. Plenty of all time greats have scored less then that in closeout games and still won.
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[Overdrive]

Is this the worst conference finals in NBA history?

Between east and west conference finals. There is 1 legit all time great in LeBron. 1 all-time great between 4 teams wow.

Would've been worse if Kawhi had made it.

[RRR3]

OP PROMISED he’d stop posting if the Nuggets won and yet he’s still here. What a despicable liar.

[ThatCoolKid]

36 points isn't good enough for a closeout game, your team isn't good enough. Plenty of all time greats have scored less then that in closeout games and still won.

:lol If Lebron lost with that supporting cast to the Nuggets he would be crucified. No one cares that Kawhi lost because he's just not on the same level as LeGOAT.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi was 1-11 in the second half of game 7 :yaohappy:

When the pressure is on, Kawhi folds like a cheap tent if he doesn’t have an elite system to back him up.

Elite system hahaha raptors had like 100 offensive rating in the 2nd round.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Would've been worse if Kawhi had made it.

Kawhi would of beat the Lakers. A quick guard like Murray is a tougher matchup. LeBron uses strength and wouldn't be able to overpower Kawhi. Clippers in 6.

Clippers would of beat nuggets 4-1 if Doc just benched Harrell.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

:lol If Lebron lost with that supporting cast to the Nuggets he would be crucified. No one cares that Kawhi lost because he's just not on the same level as LeGOAT.

What supporting cast? Its the worst playoff bench in NBA history, zubac who was dumped by lakers, morris on his 6th team in 7 years, Beverly has the offensive impact of a g leaguer.

All Kawhi had was Paul George and George admitted to being depressed in the bubble.

[bullettooth]

What supporting cast? Its the worst playoff bench in NBA history, zubac who was dumped by lakers, morris on his 6th team in 7 years, Beverly has the offensive impact of a g leaguer.

All Kawhi had was Paul George and George admitted to being depressed in the bubble.

PG was never going to be enough for Kawhi to win a chip. LeBron created the standard in 2010; if you want to win, stack the deck.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

PG was never going to be enough for Kawhi to win a chip. LeBron created the standard in 2010; if you want to win, stack the deck.

Agreed. Kawhi is the only one who had close to a carry job ring in this era. Lebron, Durant, Curry have all stacked the deck. A few shots away from beating Nuggets in game 5, beat Lakers and then an easy East path. It could of been done if Doc made better adjustments.

[Phoenix]

So Kawhi lost a 3-1 lead to a team without an all-time great?

https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/jayzd.gif

[AlternativeAcc.]

Jokic and Murray will end up higher than Kawhit on the alltime list

Kawhit hasn't done anything but win 1 role player ring and an asterisk ring nobody counts on a stacked team that did better than the Clippers WITHOUT him.

Butler > Kawhit as well

Lebron, Tatum, Butler, Jokic, Murray > Kawhit

Kawhit bar is low obviously, but the conference finals would be worse if the Clippers made it if we're judging from a superstars perspective

[TheCorporation]

OP PROMISED he’d stop posting if the Nuggets won and yet he’s still here. What a despicable liar.


Pa • the • tic

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Jokic and Murray will end up higher than Kawhit on the alltime list

Kawhit hasn't done anything but win 1 role player ring and an asterisk ring nobody counts on a stacked team that did better than the Clippers WITHOUT him.

Butler > Kawhit as well

Lebron, Tatum, Butler, Jokic, Murray > Kawhit

Kawhit bar is low obviously, but the conference finals would be worse if the Clippers made it if we're judging from a superstars perspective

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/vorp_career_p.html

Kawhi has already passed up Curry, Charles Barkley, Clyde Drexler, Kevin Garnett all in playoff VORP hahahha

In 2 or 3 more playoff runs, kawhi will already be easily inside top 10 playoff VORP of all time. So much for being a role player.

Meanwhile, LeBron is playing sidekick to the most efficient playoff scorer ever in Anthony Davis.

[TheCorporation]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/vorp_career_p.html

Kawhi has already passed up Curry, Charles Barkley, Clyde Drexler, Kevin Garnett all in playoff VORP hahahha

In 2 or 3 more playoff runs, kawhi will already be easily inside top 10 playoff VORP of all time. So much for being a role player.

Meanwhile, LeBron is playing sidekick to the most efficient playoff scorer ever in Anthony Davis.

Can he catch LeBron's VORP?

#GoodLuckKawhi

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Can he catch LeBron's VORP?

#GoodLuckKawhi

Le3-6 made it easy to catch on his ring count.

[TheCorporation]

Le3-6 made it easy to catch on his ring count.

#GoodLuckKawhi

:lol

Try to catch Karl Malone first little guy :lol

[Basketball r Us]

As a Lakers fan, this is one of History's best.

[RRR3]

Pa • the • tic
He’s desperately avoiding that post. Just like Kawhi avoided taking over in game 7.

[insidious301]

He’s desperately avoiding that post. Just like Kawhi avoided taking over in game 7.

I know HBK isn't the brightest bulb, but there are many posters who aren't known for their wit. If he's actually avoiding a "ban bet" however this should warrant a permanent ban. By either Jeff or a mod. Shameful conduct.

[Wally450]

Not sure how it’s LeBron’s fault Kawhi pooped his pants in the clutch.

Lol this.

[theballerFKA Ace]

What supporting cast? Its the worst playoff bench in NBA history, zubac who was dumped by lakers, morris on his 6th team in 7 years, Beverly has the offensive impact of a g leaguer.




Kawhi had the highest rated and highest scoring bench in the entire NBA and you are putting all this on them.

How is the highest rated bench in the NBA the worst in NBA history? :roll:

Talk about a meltdown

[Basketball r Us]

Kawhi had the highest rated and highest scoring bench in the entire NBA and you are putting all this on them.

How is the highest rated bench in the NBA the worst in NBA history? :roll:

Talk about a meltdown

Lol, all of a sudden Clippers transformed from one of the deepest bench to the worst supporting cast.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi had the highest rated and highest scoring bench in the entire NBA and you are putting all this on them.

How is the highest rated bench in the NBA the worst in NBA history? :roll:

Talk about a meltdown

Playoff basketball is different. Lou has always been a poor playoff player. Harrell can't guard 7 foot centers like Jokic.

Lou/Harrell were a 2 man lineup of -15

Kawhi/Zubac was +15

Doc stroking Lou/Harrell ego and playing them too much is what made them lose.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Lol, all of a sudden Clippers transformed from one of the deepest bench to the worst supporting cast.

That's what a GOAT level player like Kawhi will do to a garbage team, make them look great until they are tested.

[RRR3]

The Clippers were -8.8 points per 100 possessions with Kawhi on the on floor in the playoffs. By HBK_Brick’s own logic, it was his fault they lost. Kachoke :(

[HBK_Kliq_2]

The Clippers were -8.8 points per 100 possessions with Kawhi on the on floor in the playoffs. By HBK_Brick’s own logic, it was his fault they lost. Kachoke :(

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2020/lineups/

Best 2 man lineups:

Kawhi-zubac +15.5 is #1

Kawhi - Morris is +10.7

Kawhi - Shamet is +8.0

Harrell - Lou Williams -16.5

Now out of all those two man lineups, which one you think costs the clippers a playoff elimination? Talking to you is like teaching math to a 2nd grader. The answer is retard Harrell and its retard Doc for playing him at center. DUH this isn't rocket science man. Harrell/Lou getting that many minutes together wouldn't win a ring on any team in history.

[insidious301]

The Clippers were -8.8 points per 100 possessions with Kawhi on the on floor in the playoffs. By HBK_Brick’s own logic, it was his fault they lost. Kachoke :(

He changed the debating point to "2 man lineups" after it was used against him. Like with the ban bet, HBK has proven that he has no shame. I call it the 3ball school of thought.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He tweaked the narrative to "2 man lineups" after it was used against him. Like the ban bet, HBK has proven that he has no shame. I call it the 3ball school of thought.

Kawhi is in 4/5 best 4 man lineups as well. The point is Lou/Harrell 2 man lineup was solely responsible for the elimination. Doc deserves as much blame for trusting those players.

Lou sucks and is old, more worried about strippers.

Montrezl Harrell can't play center in playoffs unless its a small ball team

If these two cancers leave Kawhi's team, its over for the rest of the league.

[insidious301]

Kawhi is in 4/5 best 4 man lineups as well. The point is Lou/Harrell 2 man lineup was solely responsible for the elimination. Doc deserves as much blame for trusting those players.

Lou sucks and is old, more worried about strippers.

Montrezl Harrell can't play center in playoffs unless its a small ball team

If these two cancers leave Kawhi's team, its over for the rest of the league.


The Clippers were -8.8 points per 100 possessions with Kawhi on the on floor in the playoffs.

Not 5, because we know that is what you usually go with. And we now KNOW that Kawhi is struggling by your own parameters. So not only were you wrong and unable to admit it, but now you're avoiding a ban bet trying to save face.

[SouBeachTalents]

Jesus Christ, this guy STILL melting down over this :oldlol: The Clippers choked horrendously and Kawhi had a WOAT Game 7, just accept the L like a man

[Kblaze8855]

What supporting cast? Its the worst playoff bench in NBA history


Thars the dumbest thing typed on ISH in 2020 by someone I’m not sure is trolling.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Thars the dumbest thing typed on ISH in 2020 by someone I’m not sure is trolling.

In the playoffs, they were. Lou/Harrell duo was a black hole. Lou missed his kid and Harrell had a grandma pass away. But the facts are they were a black hole. Bad matchups for Harrell in Jokic and even Boban, Lou just flat out shot bad and that's not something he can do because his game is based on scoring.

I honestly think if Doc just played Reggie Jackson and Noah instead of Lou/Harrell, clippers would probably be in the WCF right now. Reggie was good in the 1st round but Doc gave up on him because Beverly returned. Noah just never got a chance, when I'm sure he could of guarded Jokic better then Harrell due to size alone.

The main problem with Harrell was playing him at center, big guys always pick on him. If you had a 7 foot center that can shoot like Ibaka and put Harrell at PF, that may work. Clippers roster just doesn't allow Harrell to play power forward because Zubac can't shoot, so that dynamic just didn't work.

[theballerFKA Ace]

That's what a GOAT level player like Kawhi will do to a garbage team, make them look great until they are tested.

:facepalm


Stars that have won with weakest benches in recent history

Kobe/Gasol
Shaq/Kobe
Wade/Bosh/Lebron
Jordan/Pippen

Stars that have lost with strongest benches in NBA history

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[Koresh]

Everyone was saying this would happen in the bubble, a lot of upsets. Who would have predicted Celtics/Heat and Lakers/Nuggets? No one, not even Nostradamus himself would have.

I am enjoying the entire 2020 playoffs, but both Finals have interesting stories and storylines behind them particularly the Lakers/Nuggets, e.g. Nuggets have been in the Conference Finals three times and all against the Lakers.

This season has always been wide open. We all knew this. No more Warriors dominance. No more super teams, just a bunch of two-star teams now. I am not surprised to see this at all especially under these circumstances with the pandemic.

I love it. The NBA finally has parity for once. Any of the remaining four teams could win and it's exciting. It's not predictable like the last 5 years.

[TheCorporation]

Imagine losing a 3-1 lead to one of those teams w/o an all-time great.

1st reply slays are the best :lol

[SATAN]

Most fans were very happy to see the Clippers get completely owned by Denver. Denver are not really a worthy opponent to the Lakers, let alone bum ass Kawitter and Clippers.

The Clippers with one of the worst chokes in NBA history. Kawit and the Clippers ruined the conference finals by being absolute frauds.

[Axe]

Op showing his insecurity that an incoming fourth ring for a 35 year old goat could be inevitable next month

[Real14]

Definitely the worst.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Everyone was saying this would happen in the bubble, a lot of upsets. Who would have predicted Celtics/Heat and Lakers/Nuggets? No one, not even Nostradamus himself would have.

I am enjoying the entire 2020 playoffs, but both Finals have interesting stories and storylines behind them particularly the Lakers/Nuggets, e.g. Nuggets have been in the Conference Finals three times and all against the Lakers.

This season has always been wide open. We all knew this. No more Warriors dominance. No more super teams, just a bunch of two-star teams now. I am not surprised to see this at all especially under these circumstances with the pandemic.

I love it. The NBA finally has parity for once. Any of the remaining four teams could win and it's exciting. It's not predictable like the last 5 years.

Cardio is also a factor. Players were not in shape like they normally would be. That may be a reason the clippers kept playing awful in the 2nd half of games 5,6,7. Nuggets had better cardio because they are used to playing in Denver.

Doc Rivers also said his players were gassed in game 7 and asking to come out.

[kawhileonard2]

2015 was pretty bad. 2016-2018 East was horrible

[Axe]

2015 was pretty bad. 2016-2018 East was horrible
2018 was somewhat entertaining. The Cs with young dudes went for a 2-0 lead in the ecf against the cavs and even took them to seven games after leading 3-2. They bowed out in the last game but had they defeated them instead, they would have a shot at a chip already.

[light]

Is this the worst conference finals in NBA history?

Between east and west conference finals. There is 1 legit all time great in LeBron. 1 all-time great between 4 teams wow.

Blame Kawhi and Giannis.

[ELITEpower23]

Blame Kawhi and Giannis.

+1

[Phoenix]

Cardio is also a factor. Players were not in shape like they normally would be. That may be a reason the clippers kept playing awful in the 2nd half of games 5,6,7. Nuggets had better cardio because they are used to playing in Denver.

Doc Rivers also said his players were gassed in game 7 and asking to come out.

No, the reason they played awful in games 5,6,7 was because they were purposely throwing the series, remember? Kawhi played extra shitty in game 7 to ensure it went through.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?484844-Did-Clippers-throw-the-Nuggets-series-away-on-purpose

You said if the Nuggets win you'd stop posting until next season. Then the day afterwards you said you were posting for the day to address what happened. That was 3 days ago and you're still here typing garbage. At this point I'm assuming you're a mod burner account because you should have been given your walking papers by now, since your word clearly isnt worth shit.

[SATAN]

No, the reason they played awful in games 5,6,7 was because they were purposely throwing the series, remember? Kawhi played extra shitty in game 7 to ensure it went through.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?484844-Did-Clippers-throw-the-Nuggets-series-away-on-purpose

You said if the Nuggets win you'd stop posting until next season. Then the day afterwards you said you were posting for the day to address what happened. That was 3 days ago and you're still here typing garbage. At this point I'm assuming you're a mod burner account because you should have been given your walking papers by now, since your word clearly isnt worth shit.

The only way to know is for the mods to ban him which he already instructed to happen before Kawit choked. If they don't then it's obvious he is a mod troll account and should be subsequently ignored/blocked by every ish member.

[ThatCoolKid]

Cardio is also a factor. Players were not in shape like they normally would be. That may be a reason the clippers kept playing awful in the 2nd half of games 5,6,7. Nuggets had better cardio because they are used to playing in Denver.

Doc Rivers also said his players were gassed in game 7 and asking to come out.

Kawhi lost because of cardio? What is he a 60 year old man with heart disease? :lol

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi lost because of cardio? What is he a 60 year old man with heart disease? :lol

Playing 7 games before playoffs vs playing 60-80 games in playoffs. Cardio wasn't really there for the entire team. Denver guys had it because they play in Denver.

Refs and cardio was nuggets biggest reasons of winning I would say. And Clippers bench/Doc shooting themselves in the foot over and over.

[TheCorporation]

Blame Kawhi and Giannis.

This

[TheCorporation]

Kawhi lost because of cardio? What is he a 60 year old man with heart disease? :lol

:lol

It's his KawhiLoad management

Forgot to turn it off for the 4th quarter of playoffs

[theballerFKA Ace]

Playing 7 games before playoffs vs playing 60-80 games in playoffs. Cardio wasn't really there for the entire team. Denver guys had it because they play in Denver.

Refs and cardio was nuggets biggest reasons of winning I would say. And Clippers bench/Doc shooting themselves in the foot over and over.


So now you are just grasping at troll straws. You've sunk low my friend. It'll be ok. Kawhi probably cares less about this loss than you do. Go take a long walk