Lebron's true talent is without the bulldozing

[Walk on Water]

He gets a lot of his easy points by just bulldozing his way to the rim. Last game, he couldn't get the fast break dunk because his defender caught him in foot speed, so you know Lebron isn't as fast as before. However, Lebron makes sure to ''emphasize'' his dunks when he gets them now because he wants to show us that he isn't done. If he really had his athleticism he wouldn't have to try to make his dunks look extra powerful. He does look heavier and so his hang time isn't the same.

But the way he plays and bulldozes to the rim is shameful. That isn't basketball. Even Van Gundy called him ''strong'' the way he uses his shoulders. Honestly, Lebron should average at least 3 extra fouls each game. Bulldozing is the reason he's able to keep his stats high. He isn't a good post up player, not a good shooter, and doesn't seem to have many go2 moves, other than just bulldozing his defenders.

He really is more like a 22 to 23 point scorer. That's what he would be averaging if the officiating wasn't tailored for his game. Not one other player plays that kinda style and its not right.

[Spurs m8]

He gets a lot of his easy points by just bulldozing his way to the rim. Last game, he couldn't get the fast break dunk because his defender caught him in foot speed, so you know Lebron isn't as fast as before. However, Lebron makes sure to ''emphasize'' his dunks when he gets them now because he wants to show us that he isn't done. If he really had his athleticism he wouldn't have to try to make his dunks look extra powerful. He does look heavier and so his hang time isn't the same.

But the way he plays and bulldozes to the rim is shameful. That isn't basketball. Even Van Gundy called him ''strong'' the way he uses his shoulders. Honestly, Lebron should average at least 3 extra fouls each game. Bulldozing is the reason he's able to keep his stats high. He isn't a good post up player, not a good shooter, and doesn't seem to have many go2 moves, other than just bulldozing his defenders.

He really is more like a 22 to 23 point scorer. That's what he would be averaging if the officiating wasn't tailored for his game. Not one other player plays that kinda style and its not right.

Yep....years of peds and offensive fouls...

Guess when you have no footwork and a below average jump shot, you need to do something.

[bullettooth]

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[tpols]

I just chuckled when he launched Grant into the stanchion and the refs said it was a foul on Jerami. :oldlol:

I don't know how you guys are still watching that series.

[Doranku]

Shaq's game was much more predicated on "bulldozing" than Bran's. Does that mean Shaq was really a 15 ppg scorer too? Bran does get away with a lot of physicality on the offensive end, but at the same time he doesn't get calls other guys would because he's built like a semi truck making contact less noticeable.

[Whoah10115]

He does get away with offensive fouls, but did you just say that even Stan Van Gundy called him "Strong "?

What does the "even" mean?

[PP34Deuce]

Bron gets penalized by some of you because hes stronger but dont realize he gets fouled before he even uses that shoulder.

Jerami grant has had nothing but blocking fouls and hes just cant strength with lebron.

At least lebron goes to the basket with intent to score instead of flopping there.

[ArbitraryWater]

I just chuckled when he launched Grant into the stanchion and the refs said it was a foul on Jerami. :oldlol:

I don't know how you guys are still watching that series.

You're an idiot, we get it.

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This is what normal people refer to as a blocking foul.


Meanwhile, game 2 happened, and all of this:
-Rondo's pass tipped out of bounds no call - Possession taken away
-Howard blocks Jokic clean - 2 FT's
-Howard defends Jokic well and forces a miss - 2 FT's
-Howard speaks - Technical FT
-Random bench guy - Technical FT
-MPJ Tip-in in the Cylinder - No-call 2 Points
-Soft over-limit foul calls


But you don't care about reality. Only about narrative.


You're a liar. At heart, you're a pure, filthy liar.

[Lil-Shrimp]

Giannis tried to bulldoze his way to the basket but could'nt get it done.:confusedshrug:

[BigtimeNBAFan]

You're an idiot, we get it.

https://media.giphy.com/media/XL42OriJ6sbrmWO2h7/giphy.gif


This is what normal people refer to as a blocking foul.


Meanwhile, game 2 happened, and all of this:
-Rondo's pass tipped out of bounds no call - Possession taken away
-Howard blocks Jokic clean - 2 FT's
-Howard defends Jokic well and forces a miss - 2 FT's
-Howard speaks - Technical FT
-Random bench guy - Technical FT
-MPJ Tip-in in the Cylinder - No-call 2 Points
-Soft over-limit foul calls


But you don't care about reality. Only about narrative.


You're a liar. At heart, you're a pure, filthy liar.

Well Daffy Duck is a moron who has never played basketball and nothing about the sport. All of his posts back up the notion that he has no idea what he is talking about. The retard with the Luka avatar is equally as stupid.

If I was going to spend as much time on a basketball message board as these clowns, I might actually watch a game or two.

[pauk]

His postup, shot is bad, doesnt have go2 moves.... just bulldozes....


What is this, Shaq?

Yes Lebron has strength and he makes sure he uses it to his advantage (wouldnt you?), but stop acting like he has no skills...

Lebron with less strength / athleticism is basically Magic Johnson with still better scoring arsenal and defensive instincts...

[Vino24]

MJ stans complaining about Bron’s physicality while also bragging how tough and rough the 90’s were. The irony lol

[Gudo]

Difference with shaq is, you were allowed to get physical with shaq, you just cant outmuscle him that is why divac and others resorted to flopping.

With lebron, he is huge and fast for a forward and you’re not allowed to put any resistance against him. How do you stop him if you get called gor a blocking foul even when he lowers his shoulders. You cant put your hands on him to make him change directions. Kobe had to have all the footwork skills to get past defenders handchecking him. Lebron doesnt need to.

[GrayGoat]

Difference with shaq is, you were allowed to get physical with shaq, you just cant outmuscle him that is why divac and others resorted to flopping.

With lebron, he is huge and fast for a forward and you’re not allowed to put any resistance against him. How do you stop him if you get called gor a blocking foul even when he lowers his shoulders. You cant put your hands on him to make him change directions. Kobe had to have all the footwork skills to get past defenders handchecking him. Lebron doesnt need to.

you are also describing MJ so...

[Gudo]

you are also describing MJ so...

Are you saying lebron faces the same type of defense that mj or kobe had?

[GrayGoat]

Are you saying lebron faces the same type of defense that mj or kobe had?

LeBron has been playing since 2003. even up to the mid 2000's defenses were actually tougher than the no-zone patty-cupcake defense 90's.

[Gudo]

LeBron has been playing since 2003. even up to the mid 2000's defenses were actually tougher than the no-zone patty-cupcake defense 90's.

His second year is when they changed the rules leading to huge ppg increases by a lot of stars. Zone defenses and handchecking will have different effect on how players play. Sounds like youre saying jordan never faced double or triple teams on a nightly basis. Lebron with his size and athleticism is free to drive in the lanes nowadays and youre not allowed to put resistance in anyway. Help defense cant get close to him either

[GrayGoat]

His second year is when they changed the rules leading to huge ppg increases by a lot of stars. Zone defenses and handchecking will have different effect on how players play. Sounds like youre saying jordan never faced double or triple teams on a nightly basis. Lebron with his size and athleticism is free to drive in the lanes nowadays and youre not allowed to put resistance in anyway. Help defense cant get close to him either

you couldn't breath on MJ without a foul being called

[Gudo]

you couldn't breath on MJ without a foul being called

I would agree to some degree but only in comparison to 80s and earlier officiating. But how does that compare to today? How does it affect the defenders’ capability to stop someone big, fast and strong? Help defense cant get physical with him either. Help from smaller players like murray can not do anything to stop lebron if they cant even put a hand on him. Slower bigs on switches cant put a hand on him either.

[GrayGoat]

I would agree to some degree but only in comparison to 80s and earlier officiating. But how does that compare to today? How does it affect the defenders’ capability to stop someone big, fast and strong? Help defense cant get physical with him either. Help from smaller players like murray can not do anything to stop lebron if they cant even put a hand on him. Slower bigs on switches cant put a hand on him either.

well when that player can pull up from the logo and drain a shot it kind of spaces things out

[Gudo]

Im not faulting lebron. Its just how the game is played now and he has been playing it well with the current rules. I just think while he does have great longevity, it is being magnified by modern gameplay.

[dreamshake]

You're an idiot, we get it.

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Offensive foul. Grant was in front of him the whole time. You aren’t just allowed to run over a player.

[tpols]

Offensive foul. Grant was in front of him the whole time. You aren’t just allowed to run over a player.

It really is mind blowing that someone could watch that clip, and come to the conclusion that the guy who got perfectly in front and was violently slammed 15 feet backwards... was the one that committed the foul. It's absolutely... insane.

It's getting to the point where if Lebron threw an Earl Campbell style haymaker at a dude while he ran at the rim, and knocked him out cold.. they'd still argue it as a block because he didn't teleport into position. :lol

[HoopsNY]

Considering that nearly 50% of his shots come from inside the post, I think it does matter. LeBron has made a career out of bulldozing his way to the basket.

Part of that is his strength which makes it nearly impossible for opposing players to effectively defend, but another part is the annoying shoulder drops that are offensive fouls, coupled with the traveling. Guys like him and Shaq made a career out of it.

[tpols]

And the ****ed up thing is... if you're a defender and you beat an offensive player to the spot by a lot and stand still... the offensive player can just do a euro step (travel in most cases) and jump into you from the side and it's a blocking foul. You're literally not allowed to play defense in the NBA. They've handicapped rim protection so much.

Can't be in the restricted area.
Can't jump forward.
Can't have your arms be anything but straight up.
Can't move even an inch when drawing a charge.
Cant hold in any way.
3 seconds in the paint rule.

I mean... we're at the point where we might as well tie the defenders hands behind their backs and put a ****ing blindfold on them.

[Spurs m8]

It really is mind blowing that someone could watch that clip, and come to the conclusion that the guy who got perfectly in front and was violently slammed 15 feet backwards... was the one that committed the foul. It's absolutely... insane.

It's getting to the point where if Lebron threw an Earl Campbell style haymaker at a dude while he ran at the rim, and knocked him out cold.. they'd still argue it as a block because he didn't teleport into position. :lol

They're bron stans....they're simply low iq fans of the game

[PP34Deuce]

You guys are bitching about a guy who's bigger stronger faster...

Get in the gym or realize that player just has the ultimate advantage. Grant's not strong enough...

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You don't lead the league in assists by bulldozing

[Walk on Water]

Shaq's game was much more predicated on "bulldozing" than Bran's. Does that mean Shaq was really a 15 ppg scorer too? Bran does get away with a lot of physicality on the offensive end, but at the same time he doesn't get calls other guys would because he's built like a semi truck making contact less noticeable.

But Shaq was posting up and using his butt. He wasn't using his shoulders or elbows while in motion.

[Walk on Water]

You don't lead the league in assists by bulldozing


I'm not saying he's not a good passer. Bulldozing for points and passing are 2 different things.

[Walk on Water]

He does get away with offensive fouls, but did you just say that even Stan Van Gundy called him "Strong "?

What does the "even" mean?


What I'm saying is that Lebron clearly bulldozed his way and knocked the defender down. Van Gundy was making an excuse saying that Lebron is strong and he bulldozes. But then he kind of admitted that it was an offensive foul.

I truly believe Lebron is playing football on the basketball court. How are you supposed to stop that when all the advantage goes to his style of play? There's no counter to that and you get called for a foul if you try to play eye for an eye.

[Spurs m8]

You guys are bitching about a guy who's bigger stronger faster...

Get in the gym or realize that player just has the ultimate advantage. Grant's not strong enough...

God damn you are stupid

[paksat]

dude he's been like that for basically his entire career.

Do you think I just randomly hate some dude in the NBA for no good reason? NO ONE in nba history has been as untouchable according to the refs as lebron. The guy has never even remotely come close to fouling out in the playoffs, you think that's just some coincidence? There's a reason he pouts like the little girl inside that he is when something doesn't go his way. As much as I despise jordan and kobe, usually those guys will point a finger up saying, "yep I hit him" and own up to it. This dude literally thinks he can do wrong and if a foul gets called on him, the ref was obviously blind. Kobe would cry about this stuff as well, which is why I started not liking him. But never ever did he remotely come close to the point that james is.

This kind of stuff is why his entire career is one big sham. Regardless of who is on his team or not, the guy literally hulk hogan's his way to the rim and the refs just sit there and watch. He travels at will, stiff arms at will, shove people and no one bats a fcking eye.

It's a circus as far as i'm concerned and people are just flat out stupid if they can't see it.

His own fans won't even acknowledge this shit, and it's a big reason why I can't stand him.


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Still, we've never seen anything like this. Especially at a time when it is generally agreed with rules changes it is the most difficult time to defend on the perimeter without committing fouls.

James is averaging 1.72 fouls per game in an average of 37.9 minutes per game. James hasn't even been in foul trouble one game this season. He never has had more than four fouls called on him in a game, and since March 1 is being called for fewer than 1.3 fouls per game.

In 12 of the 20 games since then, James has been called for one or zero fouls in a game. James had a stretch of five straight games to conclude March averaging 36.8 minutes per game without being called for one foul. Not one in five games! In the last nine games, James has been called for three personal fouls. It's really amazing given the involvement James has in the action of the game.

"It's impossible," said one team executive."

[Spurs m8]

dude he's been like that for basically his entire career.

Do you think I just randomly hate some dude in the NBA for no good reason? NO ONE in nba history has been as untouchable according to the refs as lebron. The guy has never even remotely come close to fouling out in the playoffs, you think that's just some coincidence? There's a reason he pouts like the little girl inside that he is when something doesn't go his way. As much as I despise jordan and kobe, usually those guys will point a finger up saying, "yep I hit him" and own up to it. This dude literally thinks he can do wrong and if a foul gets called on him, the ref was obviously blind. Kobe would cry about this stuff as well, which is why I started not liking him. But never ever did he remotely come close to the point that james is.

This kind of stuff is why his entire career is one big sham. Regardless of who is on his team or not, the guy literally hulk hogan's his way to the rim and the refs just sit there and watch. He travels at will, stiff arms at will, shove people and no one bats a fcking eye.

It's a circus as far as i'm concerned and people are just flat out stupid if they can't see it.

His own fans won't even acknowledge this shit, and it's a big reason why I can't stand him.


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Still, we've never seen anything like this. Especially at a time when it is generally agreed with rules changes it is the most difficult time to defend on the perimeter without committing fouls.

James is averaging 1.72 fouls per game in an average of 37.9 minutes per game. James hasn't even been in foul trouble one game this season. He never has had more than four fouls called on him in a game, and since March 1 is being called for fewer than 1.3 fouls per game.

In 12 of the 20 games since then, James has been called for one or zero fouls in a game. James had a stretch of five straight games to conclude March averaging 36.8 minutes per game without being called for one foul. Not one in five games! In the last nine games, James has been called for three personal fouls. It's really amazing given the involvement James has in the action of the game.

"It's impossible," said one team executive."

Someone give this guy a medal

[CTbasketball92]

LeBron's definitely regressed as a scorer this year.

His jumper is just something he's never truly gotten down to the point of supreme confidence.

Between 2012 and 2018 though he'd have his midrange jumper going in the high-30s or low-40s, sometimes even mid-40s, and it made all the difference. It was a reliable weapon he could go to and even dominate with. Right now he keeps passing the ball around. It's just kind of disappointing.

[plowking]

You're an idiot, we get it.

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This is what normal people refer to as a blocking foul.





Looks like a charge to me.

Hits his shoulder right into the middle of his chest and defender does a good job sliding.

[plowking]

LeBron does get away with charges, but so do a bunch of guys in the league. I feel it is one of the rules so often screwed up, but an NBA refs job is hard and I think overall they do a fairly decent job.

Pretending that Bron gets the benefit from the refs (aside from not getting techs like any other mainstream star) is laughable though. The amount of times you see outstretched arms hitting him and just bouncing off with no call is staggering. I remember in the Heat-Thunder series back in 2012 the amount of times Durant would straight up slap him and nothing would get called. This has been a constant throughout his career.

[AintNoSunshine]

He gets a lot of his easy points by just bulldozing his way to the rim. Last game, he couldn't get the fast break dunk because his defender caught him in foot speed, so you know Lebron isn't as fast as before. However, Lebron makes sure to ''emphasize'' his dunks when he gets them now because he wants to show us that he isn't done. If he really had his athleticism he wouldn't have to try to make his dunks look extra powerful. He does look heavier and so his hang time isn't the same.

But the way he plays and bulldozes to the rim is shameful. That isn't basketball. Even Van Gundy called him ''strong'' the way he uses his shoulders. Honestly, Lebron should average at least 3 extra fouls each game. Bulldozing is the reason he's able to keep his stats high. He isn't a good post up player, not a good shooter, and doesn't seem to have many go2 moves, other than just bulldozing his defenders.

He really is more like a 22 to 23 point scorer. That's what he would be averaging if the officiating wasn't tailored for his game. Not one other player plays that kinda style and its not right.

That's rich. If the refs call fouls on Bron like they should, Lebron would average 35 points with ease.

[FKAri]

dude he's been like that for basically his entire career.

Do you think I just randomly hate some dude in the NBA for no good reason? NO ONE in nba history has been as untouchable according to the refs as lebron. The guy has never even remotely come close to fouling out in the playoffs, you think that's just some coincidence? There's a reason he pouts like the little girl inside that he is when something doesn't go his way. As much as I despise jordan and kobe, usually those guys will point a finger up saying, "yep I hit him" and own up to it. This dude literally thinks he can do wrong and if a foul gets called on him, the ref was obviously blind. Kobe would cry about this stuff as well, which is why I started not liking him. But never ever did he remotely come close to the point that james is.

This kind of stuff is why his entire career is one big sham. Regardless of who is on his team or not, the guy literally hulk hogan's his way to the rim and the refs just sit there and watch. He travels at will, stiff arms at will, shove people and no one bats a fcking eye.

It's a circus as far as i'm concerned and people are just flat out stupid if they can't see it.

His own fans won't even acknowledge this shit, and it's a big reason why I can't stand him.


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Still, we've never seen anything like this. Especially at a time when it is generally agreed with rules changes it is the most difficult time to defend on the perimeter without committing fouls.

James is averaging 1.72 fouls per game in an average of 37.9 minutes per game. James hasn't even been in foul trouble one game this season. He never has had more than four fouls called on him in a game, and since March 1 is being called for fewer than 1.3 fouls per game.

In 12 of the 20 games since then, James has been called for one or zero fouls in a game. James had a stretch of five straight games to conclude March averaging 36.8 minutes per game without being called for one foul. Not one in five games! In the last nine games, James has been called for three personal fouls. It's really amazing given the involvement James has in the action of the game.

"It's impossible," said one team executive."

Maybe you didn't get NBA games in Pakistan before Lebron's era but this shit's been going on for every superstar since at least the early 80's.

[34-24 Footwork]

It really is mind blowing that someone could watch that clip, and come to the conclusion that the guy who got perfectly in front and was violently slammed 15 feet backwards... was the one that committed the foul. It's absolutely... insane.

It's getting to the point where if Lebron threw an Earl Campbell style haymaker at a dude while he ran at the rim, and knocked him out cold.. they'd still argue it as a block because he didn't teleport into position. :lol

Posting that gif is slow motion and claiming that it's a defensive foul is hilarious.

Like I said before, Lebron fans are a special type of loyal...it's weird af.

[34-24 Footwork]

As a defender, it makes you stop taking charges if it's gonna be an automatic blocking foul.

I'm sure after game 1 and 2, the office made some calls about how obvious some of that shit was.