FMVP watch - ppg, efficiency, plus/minus and net rating [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

3ball

10-01-2020, 12:52 AM

Game 1:

Davis'..... 34 ppg... 52%... +23... 31.5 net rating
Lebron... 25 ppg... 52%... +10... 10.3 net rating

will the media care about production rate and impact (everything)

bullettooth

10-01-2020, 12:54 AM

will the media care about production rate and impact (everything)

No, because.....

https://i.postimg.cc/vHzkfKrn/suck.gif

Shooter

10-01-2020, 12:54 AM

1987_Lakers

10-01-2020, 12:55 AM

https://media.giphy.com/media/8lMVTzRQuSWckxLTVD/giphy.gif

NBAGOAT

10-01-2020, 12:56 AM

we dont decide fmvp after game 1. there's also a separate thread for tracking people's opinions on who should be fmvp so this thread is unnecessary(and most went with ad)

TheGoatest

10-01-2020, 12:59 AM

I know you're an Allen Iverson/Michael Jordan fan but there is more to basketball than scoring.

https://i.postimg.cc/k4RZypFv/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

Any other lessons feel free to ask, most are here to learn. Welcome to InsideHoops :cheers:

Yeah, based on this pic I can see how OP desperately tries to avoid rebounds (LeBron tonight: 13) and assists (LeBron tonight: 9) and didn't include them in his breakdown.

OP right now:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/9f97a6aba3ad0b248a89e711f6a8b704/tenor.gif?itemid=4900106

AlternativeAcc.

10-01-2020, 12:59 AM

I know you're an Allen Iverson/Michael Jordan fan but there is more to basketball than scoring.

https://i.postimg.cc/k4RZypFv/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

Any other lessons feel free to ask, most are here to learn. Welcome to InsideHoops :cheers:

25 FGA per game :oldlol:

Scottie literally led in everything else, including defense and leadership

:cheers:

End scene

3ball

10-01-2020, 01:00 AM

I know you're an Allen Iverson/Michael Jordan fan but there is more to basketball than scoring.

https://i.postimg.cc/k4RZypFv/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

Any other lessons feel free to ask, most are here to learn. Welcome to InsideHoops :cheers:

lebron leads categories by tiny amounts over teammates (shared load)

mj led Pippen by 10-30 ppg in every series (carry-job)

otherwise, mj shares the load in the secondary categories just like lebron (tiny margins)

AussieSteve

10-01-2020, 01:00 AM

Game 1:

Davis'..... 34 ppg... 52%... +23... 31.5 net rating
Lebron... 25 ppg... 52%... +10... 10.3 net rating

will the media care about production rate and impact (everything)

Love it how, even with the irrelevant, you have to lie. LeBron's efficiency was higher than ADs.

Also, did you watch the game? At least three quarters of AD's points were spoon fed. He hits his free throws though, I'll give him that.

AD is leading right now, but it was close. Also hard to assess as LeBron never really had to assert himself because things were coming so easily for the lakers.

TheGoatest

10-01-2020, 01:02 AM

Also, did you watch the game? At least three quarters of AD's points were spoon fed.

I can't imagine how many posts would be made of haters pointing this out if LeBron scored the type of points AD scored tonight.
He must've had 5 wide, and I mean wide open, uncontested dunks. It looked like a pre-season drill game points and not finals game points.

3ball

10-01-2020, 01:02 AM

Love it how, even with the irrelevant, you have to lie. LeBron's efficiency was higher than ADs.

Also, did you watch the game? At least three quarters of AD's points were spoon fed. He hits his free throws though, I'll give him that.

AD is leading right now, but it was close. Also hard to assess as LeBron never really had to assert himself because things were coming so easily for the lakers.

who cares about assists - assists are a team decision to let 1 guy dominate the ball (nash, lebron, etc), or move the ball (parker, curry, jordan).. it means nothing and the 5-7 apg range wins the most (the best balance of ball movement and ball-domination)

AlternativeAcc.

10-01-2020, 01:04 AM

Love it how, even with the irrelevant, you have to lie. LeBron's efficiency was higher than ADs.

Also, did you watch the game? At least three quarters of AD's points were spoon fed. He hits his free throws though, I'll give him that.

AD is leading right now, but it was close. Also hard to assess as LeBron never really had to assert himself because things were coming so easily for the lakers.

Bird fed Davis

All Lakers fans knows lebron feeds him the easiest points ever

So ADs points are just a reflection of LeBrons playmaking

The higher AD scores, the better it makes LeBron look

Jordan could never in a million years get the best out of a player like LeBron can

TheGoatest

10-01-2020, 01:06 AM

who cares about assists - assists are a team decision to let 1 guy dominate the ball (nash, lebron, etc), or move the ball (parker, curry, jordan).. it means nothing and the 5-7 apg range wins the most (the best balance of ball movement and ball-domination)

Who cares about points? Points are one player's decision to hog the ball and do nothing but score (Kevin Martin, Michael Redd, Dale Ellis), instead of true, all-round players (Magic, Bird, LeBron).

Not to mention the fact that LeBron is #1 in all time playoff points as well, a record that will never be broken.

1987_Lakers

10-01-2020, 01:07 AM

HBK_Kliq_2

10-01-2020, 01:09 AM

LeBron has just joined the cuck list of playing next to a top 20 GOAT like Shaq/Kobe or Jordan/Pippen or Durant/Curry.

Kawhi is the only who won with top 150 all time great Kyle Lowry.

3ball

10-01-2020, 01:14 AM

Who cares about points? Points are one player's decision to hog the ball and do nothing but score (Kevin Martin, Michael Redd, Dale Ellis), instead of true, all-round players (Magic, Bird, LeBron).

Not to mention the fact that LeBron is #1 in all time playoff points as well, a record that will never be broken.

a team can win with less assists or rebounds, but never less points

that's why points are the most important category, by far..

and also HOW those points are scored by one guy affects his teammates' capacity (ball movement vs ball domination)

Gohan

10-01-2020, 01:15 AM

AlternativeAcc.

10-01-2020, 01:17 AM

Lebron leads the Lakers in assists and the Lakers lead every team in assists

3ball hates this

Lebron leads the league/playoffs in assists

Jordan never accomplished any of this, never came close

TheGoatest

10-01-2020, 01:20 AM

a team can win with less assists orcreboubds, but never less points

that's why points are the most important category, by far..

and also HOW those points are scored by one guy affects the team (ball movement vs ball domination)

This forum is truly blessed to have someone with your deep knowledge of the game of basketball. The more I think about it, the more I realize that any GM would pick the 30 ppg season averaging George Gervin, Bernard King, Adrian Dantley and Bradley Beal over the never 20 ppg averaging bum Bill Russell to start a franchise.

TheGoatest

10-01-2020, 01:23 AM

Jordan's finals averages at the age of 35: 4.0 rebounds, 2.3 assists
LeBron's finals averages at the age of 35: 13.0 rebounds, 9.0 assists

No hidden agenda here by only focusing on the points, folks.

3ball

10-01-2020, 01:27 AM

LeBron has just joined the cuck list of playing next to a top 20 GOAT like Shaq/Kobe or Jordan/Pippen or Durant/Curry.

Kawhi is the only who won with top 150 all time great Kyle Lowry.
Portland would've swept the Lakers if AD got pippen's stats

pippen averaged 19 on 42% in 6 Finals... and 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs... or 12 on 42% against the 88-90' Pistons.

he averaged 15 on 34% in the 96' Finals and nearly the same in the 98' Finals, 98' ecf, 97' ecf, 97' 1st Rd, 96' ecsf and 93' 1st Rd (dominique destroyed him)

quite simply, pippen usually played worse than Paul George but was simply inflated by the winning spotlight.. he just got lucky to play alongside the goat in a 2-star vs 2-star format (the goat wins with anyone in a 2-star vs 2-star format)

pippen is nowhere near top 20

Shooter

10-01-2020, 01:29 AM

Who cares about points? Points are one player's decision to hog the ball and do nothing but score (Kevin Martin, Michael Redd, Dale Ellis), instead of true, all-round players (Magic, Bird, LeBron).

Not to mention the fact that LeBron is #1 in all time playoff points as well, a record that will never be broken.

Roll the credits this one's over bois
https://media1.tenor.com/images/d530e96628aef9d5a49226ba4f960627/tenor.gif?itemid=7356360

3ball

10-01-2020, 01:39 AM

This forum is truly blessed to have someone with your deep knowledge of the game of basketball. The more I think about it, the more I realize that any GM would pick the 30 ppg season averaging George Gervin, Bernard King, Adrian Dantley and Bradley Beal over the never 20 ppg averaging bum Bill Russell to start a franchise.

^^^ jordan was averaging 5-10 more than all those guys

heck, he averages 5 more than lebron in the playoffs and regular season bulls' career... btw, Jordan averaged equal assists thru 3 rings:

playoff averages thru 3 rings:

85-93' Jordan... 35/7/7
06-16' Lebron... 27/9/7

^^^ equal assists thru 3 rings but mj averaged 8 more points on better efficiency.. lebron is nowhere near Jordan and you can neverake a case

AlternativeAcc.

10-01-2020, 01:45 AM

3ball hates that the Lakers lead the playoffs in assists

He's said for years lebron can't lead a high-assist team due to ball domination

This shits on everything he's ever said about LeBron, and he'll never address this

He has Magic in his top 5, but imagine lebron with kareem his whole career (who he said is basically AD)

Lebron and Lakers wouldve lead the league in assists every year. ( this is according to 3ball)

So by default he has LeBron as GOAT. (AT minimum top 5 based off his own posts)

He won't address this

light

10-01-2020, 01:47 AM

Game 1:

Davis'..... 34 ppg... 52%... +23... 31.5 net rating
Lebron... 25 ppg... 52%... +10... 10.3 net rating

will the media care about production rate and impact (everything)

LeBron = 47 points, 13 rebounds
Davis = 49 points, 9 rebounds

Bron had 25 points and 22 points off assists.
Davis had 34 points and 15 points off assists.

LeBron's rebounding makes AD look bad.

Plus LeBron will probably have 2 triple doubles in this series. Bron may average a triple double.

FMVP is still LeBron's to lose.

3ball

10-01-2020, 01:51 AM

LeBron = 47 points, 13 rebounds
Davis = 49 points, 9 rebounds

Bron had 25 points and 22 points off assists.
Davis had 34 points and 15 points off assists.

LeBron's rebounding makes AD look bad.

Plus LeBron will probably have 2 triple doubles in this series. Bron may average a triple double.

FMVP is still LeBron's to lose.

assists are a team decision to let someone dominate the ball (nash, lebron) or move the ball (curry, parker, jordan).. so it means nothing, and the players that win the most average 5-7 apg (the best balance of ball movement and ball domination)

so again, only the scoring and defense matter, aka AD (Tim Duncan)

Shooter

10-01-2020, 01:56 AM

light

10-01-2020, 01:57 AM

assists are a team decision to let someone dominate the ball (nash, lebron) or move the ball (curry, parker, jordan).. so it means nothing , and the players that wimnthe most average 5-7 apg (the best balance of ball movement and ball domination)

If assists mean nothing then triple doubles mean nothing, but triple doubles mean something to everyone because they are very hard to achieve.

Triple doubles are, in a way, the ultimate basketball statistical accomplishment and LeBron was the only player close to it tonight.

So assists only mean nothing to you because you are envious of LeBron.

The end of the game was LeBron triple double watch as, concurrently, LeBron had to be the one to close the Heat out after they got within 13 with 2:30 remaining.

LeBron put the game away for good with back to back buckets.

AD didnt score in the final 6 minutes.

AD scored most of his points when the Lakers had a giant lead.

AlternativeAcc.

10-01-2020, 01:59 AM

If assists mean nothing then triple doubles mean nothing, but triple doubles mean something to everyone because they are very hard to achieve.

Triple doubles are, in a way, the ultimate basketball statistical accomplishment and LeBron was the only player close to it tonight.

So assists only mean nothing to you because you are envious of LeBron.

The end of the game was LeBron triple double watch as LeBron had to be the one to close the Heat out after they got within 13 with 2:30 remaining.

LeBron put the game away for good.

AD didnt score in the final 6 minutes.

AD scored most of his points when the Lakers had a giant lead.

He has Magic top 5

And bird

Who are worse than lebron at scoring and defense (which he claims is all that matters)

He's all over the place, absolutely just getting destroyed

Notice he won't address any of this. He's copy/pasting hoping the barrage stops :oldlol:

HBK_Kliq_2

10-01-2020, 02:55 AM

Portland would've swept the Lakers if AD got pippen's stats

pippen averaged 19 on 42% in 6 Finals... and 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs... or 12 on 42% against the 88-90' Pistons.

he averaged 15 on 34% in the 96' Finals and nearly the same in the 98' Finals, 98' ecf, 97' ecf, 97' 1st Rd, 96' ecsf and 93' 1st Rd (dominique destroyed him)

quite simply, pippen usually played worse than Paul George but was simply inflated by the winning spotlight.. he just got lucky to play alongside the goat in a 2-star vs 2-star format (the goat wins with anyone in a 2-star vs 2-star format)

pippen is nowhere near top 20

Pippen had a top 5 MVP season and took his team to the WCF in 2000, 6 rings, that's plenty enough on his resume to be top 20.

Lowry is a random midget fat shit flopper who used to play in Memphis and nobody knew who he was, no 2nd or 1st team all NBA seasons, no game 7's of conference finals without Kawhi, no nothing for Lowry hahahha.

light

10-01-2020, 04:10 AM

LeBron’s 25/13/9 game is more rare than Davis’ 34/9/5 game.

Lakers 25/13/9 Finals Games:

1. West - 1969
2. Worthy - 1988
3. Shaq - 2001
4. LeBron - 2020

Lakers 34/9/5 Finals Games:

1. Baylor - 1962
2. Baylor - 1962
3. Baylor - 1963
4. Magic - 1980
5. Shaq - 2001
6. Shaq - 2001
7. Shaq - 2002
8. West - 1965
9. West - 1968
10. West - 1969
11. Worthy - 1988
12. Davis - 2020

For all teams, 34/9/5 has been put up 40 times in the NBA Finals.

But LeBron’s 25/13/9 has only been put up 13 times.
(This is LeBron's 5th time - Jordan only did it once)

Advantage, LeBron.

SouBeachTalents

10-01-2020, 07:14 AM

Game 1’s been over less than 8 hours and I’m already sick of this topic :lol I hope this Finals will be about more than who wins this coin flip for FMVP

red1

10-01-2020, 07:52 AM

LeGOAT on the verge of another ring :applause:

Roundball_Rock

10-01-2020, 10:33 AM

This shook hypocrite never cares about plus-minus for the 90's because that data shows Pippen ahead of almost every 90's superstar not named Jordan or Robinson. :oldlol:

pippen usually played worse than Paul George

Damn, the 90's must have been a joke if a player worse than PG could peak at #2 in advanced plus-minus (95')! :lol

ImKobe

10-01-2020, 10:43 AM

This shook hypocrite never cares about plus-minus for the 90's because that data shows Pippen ahead of almost every 90's superstar not named Jordan or Robinson. :oldlol:

Damn, the 90's must have been a joke if a player worse than PG could peak at #2 in advanced plus-minus (95')! :lol

George was #1 in DRAPM last season & #4 overall so..

Trollsmasher

10-01-2020, 10:46 AM

AD will probably just give the award to LeBron if they give it to him

He loves him like a brother

Roundball_Rock

10-01-2020, 10:49 AM

AD will probably just give the award to LeBron if they give it to him

He loves him like a brother

MJ sort of did that once, saying the 97' award should be shared between him and Pippen.

Jordan said he couldn't have won without Pippen, who had 23 points Friday and played incredible defense throughout the playoffs.

``I'll take the trophy, he'll take the car,' Jordan said, referring to the automobile that goes to the finals MVP.

https://greensboro.com/mvp-jordan-credits-pippen-take-the-car-jordan-said/article_5cd1b84b-be79-5b5c-9a8e-9e4eb9fbfd94.html

TheGoatest

10-01-2020, 12:33 PM

MJ sort of did that once, saying the 97' award should be shared between him and Pippen.

https://greensboro.com/mvp-jordan-credits-pippen-take-the-car-jordan-said/article_5cd1b84b-be79-5b5c-9a8e-9e4eb9fbfd94.html

Wow, if he said that about the 97 finals, I can't imagine how he must've felt about his utterly shyt 96 finals.