Why couldn’t the 90’s Jazz when the chip the years MJ was retired?

[GrayGoat]

Toughest competition my ass.

[TheGoatest]

Exactly.

Malone
Stockton
Barkley
Ewing
Payton
Kemp
Shaq
Penny
Drexler
Miller

All these dragons Jordan supposedly slayed in his 6 championship runs, yet none of them won a chip in the 2 years the Bulls didn't win. Except for Drexler, who joined Hakeem to be his sidekick in the Rockets' 2nd ring.

[scuzzy]

Stockton and Malone were overhyped playoff chokers, way way way worse than anything we define as choking today (Harden/CP3/Deroze-Lowry/etc)


They had something like 17 playoff runs together and only mustered up 2 Finals with over a half dozen 1st round exits


These were two PERENNIAL superstars in the 90's, on the same team.

[Lebron23]

Stockton and Malone were overhyped playoff chokers, way way way worse than anything we define as choking today (Harden/CP3/Deroze-Lowry/etc)


They had something like 17 playoff runs together and only mustered up 2 Finals with over a half dozen 1st round exits


These were two PERENNIAL superstars in the 90's, on the same team.

A bunch of playoffs chokers

[3ball]

Exactly.

Malone
Stockton
Barkley
Ewing
Payton
Kemp
Shaq
Penny
Drexler
Miller

All these dragons Jordan supposedly slayed in his 6 championship runs, yet none of them won a chip in the 2 years the Bulls didn't win. Except for Drexler, who joined Hakeem to be his sidekick in the Rockets' 2nd ring.

new fans are accustomed to having only 2 teams with "big 3's" that make the Finals evey year like the heat/spurs or cavs/warriors

otoh, the Finals standard in the 90's was 1 or 2-star teams, so many teams were Finals-caliber and the margins between teams were razor-thin or non-existent..

that's why the west alternated champions every year - each year some team would have everything go just right and have the edge - the next year it would be another team.. so mj was beating freight trains that had everything going for them heading into the Finals.

ultimately, it's tougher to play in a league with many Finals-caliber teams than being 1 of 2 Finals caliber yes with big 3's

[Akeem34TheDream]

First 3 posts are made by the same guy. 4th poster(2nd) has no life and isn't very smart. And the next one dedicated his whole life to troll Lebron stans.

[Round Mound]

They wheren't multidemnsional both Stockton and Malone embodied the classical PG and PF but they did not have the dynamic game verstaility after that like that for example Pippen: MJ's 2nd option. Hakeem was just great and had both a good offensive and defensive team with athletic players in all positions, then added Drexler and they where even better. The Suns with Barkley and KJ had a great offenisve team but not defensive wise. The Bulls without Grant and just MJ and Pippen would have had it tougher against those teams but when the finally added Rodman it was over. Three of the best defenders ever, Pippen's dynamic game versatility and the best SG Ever in MJ. The rest is history.

[NBAGOAT]

they were old

[Reggie43]

Short answer is Hakeem was better than his peers at the time and they had only 2 years/chances to win a ring till the Bulls were at full strength.

[Round Mound]

Short answer is Hakeem was better than his peers at the time and they had only 2 years/chances to win a ring till the Bulls were at full strength.

The 93-94 Bulls with Jordan added to the already there Pippen and Grant would have beaten the 93-94 Rockets but the 94-95 Bulls with just Jordan and Pippen (NO Grant) would have lost to the Hakeem-Drexler Rockets of 94-95. That's the way i see it.

[FKAri]

The 93-94 Bulls with Jordan added to the already there Pippen and Grant would have beaten the 93-94 Rockets but the 94-95 Bulls with just Jordan and Pippen (NO Grant) would have lost to the Hakeem-Drexler Rockets of 94-95. That's the way i see it.

But MJ doesn't lose in finals. 6/6.

[TheGoatest]

But MJ doesn't lose in finals. 6/6.

Rockets' Horry doesn't lose in finals either. 7/7.

[bullettooth]

Rockets' Horry doesn't lose in finals either. 7/7.

Oh shit! That puts LeBron where... like, 33rd on the all time list?

[TheGoatest]

Oh shit! That puts LeBron where... like, 33rd on the all time list?

My list, based on all-round accomplishments and longevity, doesn't put LeBron behind anyone.
The "finals winning percentage" lists you Jordan stans try to push put Jordan behind John Havlicek, Robert Horry, K.C. Jones and Tom Sanders.

[Shooter]

Stockton and Malone were overhyped playoff chokers, way way way worse than anything we define as choking today (Harden/CP3/Deroze-Lowry/etc)


They had something like 17 playoff runs together and only mustered up 2 Finals with over a half dozen 1st round exits


These were two PERENNIAL superstars in the 90's, on the same team.

You have got to be joking

17 years of full prime play and zero rings? Sheesh Trash Bros for sure

[talkingconch]

First 3 posts are made by the same guy. 4th poster(2nd) has no life and isn't very smart. And the next one dedicated his whole life to troll Lebron stans.

LOL

[Shooter]

new fans are accustomed to having only 2 teams with "big 3's" that make the Finals evey year like the heat/spurs or cavs/warriors

otoh, the Finals standard in the 90's was 1 or 2-star teams, so many teams were Finals-caliber and the margins between teams were razor-thin or non-existent..

that's why the west alternated champions every year - each year some team would have everything go just right and have the edge - the next year it would be another team.. so mj was beating freight trains that had everything going for them heading into the Finals.

ultimately, it's tougher to play in a league with many Finals-caliber teams than being 1 of 2 Finals caliber yes with big 3's

The '90s finals standard was Jeff Hornacek as #2 option scoring lowest 10.7 ppg in finals history

Proof:

https://i.postimg.cc/fLBrJrY8/Heff-Jornacek.png

[Bawkish]

The '90s finals standard was Jeff Hornacek as #2 option scoring lowest 10.7 ppg in finals history

Proof:

https://i.postimg.cc/fLBrJrY8/Heff-Jornacek.png

2010's Finals standard was Lebron as #2

[Lebron23]

2010's Finals standard was Lebron as #2

Lebron would destroy Jordan. And he's also capable of beating him up in a real fight.