AD vs Lebron thru 2 games of Finals - ppg, efficiency, plus-minus and net rating

[3ball]

Davis'..... 33 ppg... 63%... 16.5 plus/minus... 20.9 net rating
Lebron... 29 ppg... 55%..... 8.5 plus/minus... 12.3 net rating


is there any doubt?

but will the media be honest........... :yaohappy:.. :roll:


Sources:

https://stats.nba.com/player/203076/advanced/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4

[NBAGOAT]

not quite as clear cut as you're making iit https://twitter.com/JacobEGoldstein/status/1312237157273067522/photo/1

[1987_Lakers]

29 ppg on 55% to go along with 9 apg.

Can anyone tell me if a 35 year old MJ played this good in the Finals?

[k0kakw0rld]

OP is shook just like the Jordan Stan club.

Stay scared

[3ball]

not quite as clear cut as you're making iit https://twitter.com/JacobEGoldstein/status/1312237157273067522/photo/1

that doesn't compare to the OP data

"points added" sounds like a dumb "points accounted for" stat

again, the OP data is conclusive

[NBAGOAT]

that doesn't compare to the OP data

"points added" sounds like a dumb "points accounted for" stat

again, the OP data is conclusive

it is single game pipm. actually quite legit lol

[Shogon]

OP, maybe if you stuck to the same metrics and standards throughout all of your trolling, people would believe it more. But no, you cherry pick DIFFERENT stat categories that vary wildly from moment to moment to aid you in pushing your overall narrative. You have no standards. You have no reasoning. You have no rational, consistent train of thought other than "LeBald Man Bad." That's the summation of your argument, in actual reality.

[3ball]

it is single game pipm. actually quite legit lol

except you can't explain it like anyone can for plus/minus and net rating

AD's margins in those primary areas is so large that there's no doubt

[3ball]

29 ppg on 55% to go along with 9 apg.

Can anyone tell me if a 35 year old MJ played this good in the Finals?

Heat DRtg in these Finals

127.8


98' Utah in Finals

105.0



35-year MJ was league MVP, FMVP, all-star MVP, scoring champ, 1st team defense

lebron did none of this

[NBAGOAT]

except you can't explain in like anyone can for plus/minus and net rating

AD's margins in those primary areas is so large that there's no doubt

it's a luck adjusted plus minus metric. raw plus minus has sample size issues over whole seasons let alone 2 games, pretty much useless the way you're using it. granted single game points added is pretty useless too but i'm just going countering your narrative that every stat goes against lebron, yes there is some doubt lol.

[1987_Lakers]

Heat DRtg in these Finals

127.8


98' Utah in Finals

105.0

LeBron's high basketball IQ is exposing Miami's zone with his high IQ passing and scoring, he is the reason why Miami's defense is that bad. :pimp:

Meanwhile in '98...43% shooting and 2 apg. :roll:

[3ball]

LeBron's high basketball IQ is exposing Miami's zone with his high IQ passing and scoring, he is the reason why Miami's defense is that bad. :pimp:

Meanwhile in '98...43% shooting and 2 apg. :roll:

no, he's simply playing another bad Eastern Conference team, just like all his Eastern Conference runs of the past...

except now he's doing it alongside the modern Wilt Chamberlain, aka 33 on 63%... so it's unfair, like some WWE fake colluded shit to get lebron more rings and catch MJ in total rings... it's the biggest fraud in the history of sports if he pulls it off and gets to 6 rings

[1987_Lakers]

except now he's doing it alongside the modern Wilt Chamberlain, aka 33 on 63%... so it's unfair, WWE fake colluded shit to get lebron more rings and catch MJ in total rings... it's the biggest fraud in the history of sports

But it was fair when LeBron was going up against KD/Curry/Klay/Dray in back to back Finals? You weren't crying then.

[RRR3]

Legit a huge portion of this board didn’t even consider AD a top 10 player last year. “Empty stats” etc. He was talked about the way Kevin Love and DeMarcus Cousins were. Now he’s Kareem :oldlol: He’s playing the best basketball of his career and he’s doing it next to LeBron. Doubt it’s a coincidence. B-b-b-but LeBron is a cancer :cry:

[3ball]

But it was fair when LeBron was going up against KD/Curry/Klay/Dray in back to back Finals? You weren't crying then.

it's the same thing as that, so literally the weakest shit ever.. except it's worse actually, because at least Durant dominated Curry statistically, whereas Lebron is getting carried by AD

and of course, none of that compares to mj carrying the bulls to 6 titles (10-20 more than Pippen in every Finals...... while getting primary defender assignments on Magic, Drexler, and Payton)

[Trollsmasher]

Heat DRtg in these Finals

127.8


98' Utah in Finals

105.0



35-year MJ was league MVP, FMVP, all-star MVP, scoring champ, 1st team defense

lebron did none of this

Utah's drtg was good because Jordan was chucking 27 shots a game at 51% TS:lol

[AirTupac]

Legit a huge portion of this board didn’t even consider AD a top 10 player last year. “Empty stats” etc. He was talked about the way Kevin Love and DeMarcus Cousins were. Now he’s Kareem :oldlol: He’s playing the best basketball of his career and he’s doing it next to LeBron. Doubt it’s a coincidence. B-b-b-but LeBron is a cancer :cry:

Shut up you ugly fvcking retard. You said Rondo was cancer and spammed it like the fat retard you are... and yet he's arguably the 3rd best player for the Lakers in these playoffs. Dont talk again Josh Gad

[SouBeachTalents]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?475176-AD-is-shedding-light-on-Kareem-s-career-amp-ranking-imo-(new-all-time-rankings-inside)


Both AD and Kareem needed super-point guards like Oscar, Magic, and now Lebron to find synergies and have a great team.

Without these guys bird-feeding them, they're losers.

I mentioned last year that AD's teams are only as good as the guys getting him the ball, which explains his weak teams in previous years

[1987_Lakers]

Legit a huge portion of this board didn’t even consider AD a top 10 player last year. “Empty stats” etc. He was talked about the way Kevin Love and DeMarcus Cousins were. Now he’s Kareem :oldlol: He’s playing the best basketball of his career and he’s doing it next to LeBron. Doubt it’s a coincidence. B-b-b-but LeBron is a cancer :cry:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?475176-AD-is-shedding-light-on-Kareem-s-career-amp-ranking-imo-(new-all-time-rankings-inside)

"Without LeBron's bird feeding, AD is a loser." - 3ball

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?475176-AD-is-shedding-light-on-Kareem-s-career-amp-ranking-imo-(new-all-time-rankings-inside)
:oldlol:

[RRR3]

Shut up you ugly fvcking retard. You said Rondo was cancer and spammed it like the fat retard you are... and yet he's arguably the 3rd best player for the Lakers in these playoffs. Dont talk again Josh Gad
How the hell is 6 feet 166.5 pounds fat? Stop projecting, fatty.

[1987_Lakers]

it's the same thing as that, so literally the weakest shit ever.. except it's worse actually, because at least Durant dominated Curry statistically, whereas Lebron is getting carried by AD

Nice how you leave out that the Warriors won a title in 2015, won 73 games the next year, and made the Finals in 2019 without KD. We all know what happens to teams once LeBron leaves them.

LeBron was runner up MVP this year, is averaging 29-11-9 in the Finals and somehow he is getting carried. :oldlol:

[3ball]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?475176-AD-is-shedding-light-on-Kareem-s-career-amp-ranking-imo-(new-all-time-rankings-inside)

I've long reversed course on the notion that the bigs were bird-fed and therefore sucked

the reality is that anyone can make a chest pass and bounce pass - it's literally the first thing the PE instructor teaches in grade school.. so the only person responsible for scoring is the scorer, who puts the ball in the hole, often off a quick iso... the scorer is the closer/finisher (of possessions)

these are wisdoms I learn from putting myself out there, aka making bold proclamations about players or the game overall - then you guys poke holes in it and we eventually arrive at the truth like the previous paragraph

[SouBeachTalents]

I've long reversed course on the notion that the bigs were bird-fed and therefore sucked

the reality is that anyone can make a chest pass and bounce pass - it's literally the first thing the PE instructor teaches in grade school.. so the only person responsible for scoring is the scorer, who puts the ball in the hole, often off a quick iso... the scorer is the closer/finisher (of possessions)

these are wisdoms I learn from putting myself out there, aka making bold proclamations about players or the game overall - then you guys poke holes in it and we eventually arrive at the truth like the previous paragraph
You reversed course once you saw the Lakers were a threat to win the title, and switched from your anti Kareem agenda to an anti LeBron one

[RRR3]

I’m pretty sure LeBron winning FMVP will legit break OP.

[3ball]

You reversed course once you saw the Lakers were a threat to win the title, and switched from your anti Kareem agenda to an anti LeBron one

it's fair to think that way based on the timing of moving kareem back up my rankings and lebron/magic back down (preseason), but that doesn't mean I'm wrong and that stats support my revised/enlightened argument

[TheGoatest]

not quite as clear cut as you're making iit https://twitter.com/JacobEGoldstein/status/1312237157273067522/photo/1

:roll:

First reply slays are always the best.

[Hey Yo]

it's the same thing as that, so literally the weakest shit ever.. except it's worse actually, because at least Durant dominated Curry statistically, whereas Lebron is getting carried by AD

and of course, none of that compares to mj carrying the bulls to 6 titles (10-20 more than Pippen in every Finals...... while getting primary defender assignments on Magic, Drexler, and Payton)
Who was doing the carrying?


https://i.postimg.cc/8C4kvxLC/pip-an-mj-post.jpg

[3ball]

I’m pretty sure LeBron winning FMVP will legit break OP.

not really because it will be his last one.. his last hurrah..

people laughed at me last year when I said lebron wasn't good enough to win as the best player, and now we see him out-produced while winning a ring

[TheGoatest]

You reversed course once you saw the Lakers were a threat to win the title, and switched from your anti Kareem agenda to an anti LeBron one

If 10 years from now they start saying AD is greater than Jordan, watch him start shitting all over AD as well. He is dodging the subject of AD having a better PER than championship streak Jordan.

You could already see him setting his sights on Kawhi after he won last year and some started saying that he is on his way to be better than Jordan. But then came the choke job against the Nuggets, so there was no need to focus on Kawhi anymore.

[3ball]

Who was doing the carrying?


https://i.postimg.cc/8C4kvxLC/pip-an-mj-post.jpg

so mj carried the scoring load by ridiculous goat amount, and then shared the other categories (small margins)

whereas lebron shares ALL the categories by having small margins in every category except ball-domination

[chazzy]

Legit a huge portion of this board didn’t even consider AD a top 10 player last year. “Empty stats” etc. He was talked about the way Kevin Love and DeMarcus Cousins were. Now he’s Kareem :oldlol: He’s playing the best basketball of his career and he’s doing it next to LeBron. Doubt it’s a coincidence. B-b-b-but LeBron is a cancer :cry:
�� ok. You think there would’ve been nearly the same hype if prime Love or Cousins were on the trading block?

[RRR3]

�� ok. You think there would’ve been nearly the same hype if prime Love or Cousins were on the trading block?
Seething.

[Hey Yo]

so mj carried the scoring load by ridiculous goat amount, and then shared the other categories (small margins)

whereas lebron shares ALL the categories by having small margins in every category except ball-domination
MJ did the scoring, while Pippen did everything else.

Fact!

[TheGoatest]

so mj carried the scoring load by ridiculous goat amount, and then shared the other categories (small margins)

whereas lebron shares ALL the categories by having small margins in every category except ball-domination

25.02 vs 15.8 FGA per game is definitely not a small margin.

[3ball]

Legit a huge portion of this board didn’t even consider AD a top 10 player last year. “Empty stats” etc. He was talked about the way Kevin Love and DeMarcus Cousins were. Now he’s Kareem :oldlol: He’s playing the best basketball of his career and he’s doing it next to LeBron. Doubt it’s a coincidence. B-b-b-but LeBron is a cancer :cry:

AD was talked about as superior to Cousins since their Kentucky days when AD was considered one-in-a-generation

this didn't change in the NBA and AD's all-time stats always let people know that he was a cut above

AD's raw stats were actually better in the 17' and 18' playoffs, where his team took a game off the KD warriors.. he's always been a monster and now he's brought those stats to lebron - and wow, turns out they're better than lebron's.

[RRR3]

AD was talked about as superior to Cousins since their Kentucky days when AD was considered one-in-a-generation

this didn't change in the NBA and AD's all-time stats always let people know that he was a cut above

AD's raw stats were actually better in the 17' and 18' playoffs, where his team took a game off the KD warriors.. he's always been a monster and now he's brought those stats to lebron - and wow, turns out they're better than lebron's.
You’re boiling. 2 more wins and LeBron passes MJ :oldlol:

[3ball]

MJ did the scoring, while Pippen did everything else.

Fact!

mj led in APG

for 6 of 9 playoff runs alongside Pippen

more importantly, mj assisted 33% more often than pippen (assist percentage in playoffs).. you forget that MJ can't assist on his own shots, so the available shots to assist on was lower for him, yet he averaged equal assists to Pippen

ultimately, mj doubled pippen's playoff scoring average (33.5 to 17), while assisting 33% more often (28 to 21 assist percentage), and getting more dpoy votes every year

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

AD was talked about as superior to Cousins since their Kentucky days when AD was considered one-in-a-generation

this didn't change in the NBA and AD's all-time stats always let people know that he was a cut above

AD's raw stats were actually better in the 17' and 18' playoffs, where his team took a game off the KD warriors.. he's always been a monster and now he's brought those stats to lebron - and wow, turns out they're better than lebron's.

None of this matters because you were shitting on AD just a few months ago. Saying that LeBron would "birdfeed" him :oldlol:

The change in your tune is ONLY because Bron's closer to #4. That's literally it. All you can do now is sit there and take it.

[Honor Boost]

Job's not done.

[3ball]

None of this matters because you were shitting on AD just a few months ago. Saying that LeBron would "birdfeed" him :oldlol:



that was 10 months ago.







The change in your tune is ONLY because Bron's closer to #4. That's literally it. All you can do now is sit there and take it.




no, I explained why my rankings changed here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?479979-ESPN-s-top-10-players-of-all-time&p=13992035&viewfull=1#post13992035

I correctly deduced that Magic and Kareem can't both be top 5 because their Finals record wasn't good enough (only 5-4 with a "bad call" ring in 88')..

so one of them needed to be bumped down.. I ultimately decided the bad Finals record was Magic's fault, since I blamed ball-dominance for lebron's poor Finals record as well..

i was surprised that I didn't previously notice this correlation, aka ball-dominators Magic/Lebron have shit Finals records despite crazy support.. now that I've put all this together, I have magic/lebron beside each other in the rankings at 10 and 11.. I'm extremely confident in my ranking and rationale

[red1]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?475176-AD-is-shedding-light-on-Kareem-s-career-amp-ranking-imo-(new-all-time-rankings-inside)

"Without LeBron's bird feeding, AD is a loser." - 3ball

:roll:

kblaze slaughtered him :roll:



3ball can never rank AD over lebron if he views him as a bird-fed loser - the haters lost on every level :roll:

[Doranku]

29 ppg on 55% to go along with 9 apg.

Can anyone tell me if a 35 year old MJ played this good in the Finals?

Shameless Bran stan. An insult to having Lakers in your username. :facepalm

[red1]

Shameless Bran stan. An insult to having Lakers in your username. :facepalm

he's a high IQ poster. what did he say that was wrong?

[NBAGOAT]

that was 10 months ago.






no, I explained why my rankings changed here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?479979-ESPN-s-top-10-players-of-all-time&p=13992035&viewfull=1#post13992035

I correctly deduced that Magic and Kareem can't both be top 5 because their Finals record wasn't good enough (only 5-4 with a "bad call" ring in 88')..

so one of them needed to be bumped down.. I ultimately decided the bad Finals record was Magic's fault, since I blamed ball-dominance for lebron's poor Finals record as well..

i was surprised that I didn't previously notice this correlation, aka ball-dominators Magic/Lebron have shit Finals records despite crazy support.. now that I've put all this together, I have magic/lebron beside each other in the rankings at 10 and 11.. I'm extremely confident in my ranking and rationale

We’re really going disparage Magic’s team results too now :lol. You really take no prisoners with your stupid hate.

His losses are:

83 which is to a goat lvl Sixers team and possibly the closest talent wise to the warriors.

84 was his “bad loss” and the Celtics with bird/mchale/Parrish/dj are a top level all time team.

89 killed by injuries granted including magic so I guess you can be a hater and blame him

91 lost to mj and an elite bulls team no shame in that. Also no prime Kareem now.

[3ball]

kblaze slaughtered him :roll:



3ball can never rank AD over lebron if he views him as a bird-fed loser - the haters lost on every level :roll:

no kblaze took a post from 10 months ago and pretended I said it yesterday because he can't counter me without lying

my views and education of the game have long progressed from that post and I explained my evolved views on bigs vs ball-dominators 5 months ago:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?479979-ESPN-s-top-10-players-of-all-time&p=13992035&viewfull=1#post13992035

I correctly deduced that Magic and Kareem can't both be top 5 because their Finals record wasn't good enough (only 5-4 with a "bad call" ring in 88')..

so one of them needed to be bumped down.. I ultimately decided the bad Finals record was Magic's fault, since I blamed ball-dominance for lebron's poor Finals record as well..

i was surprised that I didn't previously notice this correlation, aka ball-dominators Magic/Lebron have shit Finals records despite crazy support.. now that I've put all this together, I have magic/lebron beside each other in the rankings at 10 and 11.. I'm extremely confident in my ranking and rationale

[Doranku]

he's a high IQ poster. what did he say that was wrong?

It is completely disingenuous to compare numbers from the late 90's to 2020 bubble NBA.

3 players in '98 averaged 25+ ppg: MJ (28.7), Malone (27.0), and Shaq (28.3). Bradley Beal and Trae Young averaged 30 a game this year. :oldlol: It ain't the same.

[3ball]

We’re really going disparage Magic’s team results too now :lol. You really take no prisoners with your stupid hate.

His losses are:

83 which is to a goat lvl Sixers team and possibly the closest talent wise to the warriors... lakers were super-stacked too.. magic had the goat at the time, Kareem.. no excuses.. and it was a blowout

84 was his “bad loss” and the Celtics with bird/mchale/Parrish/dj are a top level all time team... okay

89 killed by injuries granted including magic so I guess you can be a hater and blame him... okay

91 lost to mj and an elite bulls team no shame in that. Also no prime Kareem now... hobbled Worthy nearly matched Pippen, while Vlade/Perkins averaged 17/9 and destroyed Horace/Cartwright (and were far better players in general)... Paxson/BJ were also destroyed by their matchup... Magic's cast simply outplayed MJ's, but MJ offset that by outplaying Magic.




^^^ responses are in bold above, so magic has little excuse...

and you left out his 88' ring, which was won on a bad call in Game 7 (asterisk ring)

[NBAGOAT]

^^^ responses are in bold above, so magic has little excuse...

and you left out his 88' ring, which was won on a bad call in Game 7 (asterisk ring)

The lakers were not at the level of their later teams with no worthy and Kareem was in his 30s he’s a goat candidate but you know his best years were in the 70s.

I don’t want to get into 91 since that involves mj but worthy matching pippens production does not mean he was nearly as impactful as pippen. Why is it also such a bad thing 31 year old magic is a lot worse than peak mj lol. That loss just isn’t a black mark at all.

[red1]

It is completely disingenuous to compare numbers from the late 90's to 2020 bubble NBA.

3 players in '98 averaged 25+ ppg: MJ (28.7), Malone (27.0), and Shaq (28.3). Bradley Beal and Trae Young averaged 30 a game this year. :oldlol: It ain't the same.

fair point. numbers are definitely inflated now.


his main point stands though. I used to give baldan the benefit of the doubt but after 3ball I dont know about that baldan dude anymore. I think 1987_Lakers is right about baldan not being as good as lebron at this late age.

[3ball]

The lakers were not at the level of their later teams with no worthy and Kareem was in his 30s he’s a goat candidate but you know his best years were in the 70s.

I don’t want to get into 91 since that involves mj but worthy matching pippens production does not mean he was nearly as impactful as pippen. Why is it also such a bad thing 31 year old magic is a lot worse than peak mj lol. That loss just isn’t a black mark at all.

again, asterisk ring in 88'

upset loss in 84'

another upset loss to KJ's domination in 1990 - and magic was the 1-seed

so the point is valid

[light]

Davis'..... 33 ppg... 63%... 16.5 plus/minus... 20.9 net rating
Lebron... 29 ppg... 55%..... 8.5 plus/minus... 12.3 net rating


is there any doubt?

but will the media be honest........... :yaohappy:.. :roll:


Sources:

https://stats.nba.com/player/203076/advanced/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4


Over the first two games LeBron has accounted for 102 points to Davis' 82 points.

In game 2 LeBron accounted for 55 points to Davis' 34 points.

LeBron did that while leading the team and quarterbacking their defense.

Davis is quiet and doesn't talk to his teammates. AD is following LeBron's lead.

LeBron's 33/9/9 from game 2 has only been put up in the Finals by West, Jordan, Worthy and LeBron.

Davis' 32/14/1 has now been put up in the Finals 56 times by 22 players.

Davis just put up a 1 in a major category while only scoring 2 points in the 4th quarter, while LeBron scored 10.

LeBron 29.0/11.0/9.0 > Davis 33.0/11.5/3.0

[Shooter]

Legit a huge portion of this board didn’t even consider AD a top 10 player last year. “Empty stats” etc. He was talked about the way Kevin Love and DeMarcus Cousins were. Now he’s Kareem :oldlol: He’s playing the best basketball of his career and he’s doing it next to LeBron. Doubt it’s a coincidence. B-b-b-but LeBron is a cancer :cry:


100%
What. Changed.

[3ball]

If 10 years from now they start saying AD is greater than Jordan, watch him start shitting all over AD as well. He is dodging the subject of AD having a better PER than championship streak Jordan.

You could already see him setting his sights on Kawhi after he won last year and some started saying that he is on his way to be better than Jordan. But then came the choke job against the Nuggets, so there was no need to focus on Kawhi anymore.


Over the first two games LeBron has accounted for 102 points to Davis' 82 points.

In game 2 LeBron accounted for 55 points to Davis' 34 points.

LeBron did that while leading the team and quarterbacking their defense.

Davis is quiet and doesn't talk to his teammates. AD is following LeBron's lead.

LeBron's 33/9/9 from game 2 has only been put up in the Finals by West, Jordan, Worthy and LeBron.

Davis' 32/14/1 has now been put up in the Finals 56 times by 22 players.

Davis just put up a 1 in a major category while only scoring 2 points in the 4th quarter, while LeBron scored 10.

LeBron 29.0/11.0/9.0 > Davis 33.0/11.5/3.0

anyone can make a chest pass or bounce pass - that's the first thing kids learn in basketball..

otoh, the scorer is the closer - they finish the possession and that's all the defense needs to worry about

AD also leads in PER, which is a comprehensive measure of offense.. and rebounds. and net rating and plus/minus... it's a blowout

[Trollsmasher]

anyone can make a chest pass or bounce pass - that's the first thing kids learn in basketball..

otoh, the scorer is the closer - they finish the possession and that's all the defense needs to worry about

AD also leads in PER, which is a comprehensive measure of offense.. and rebounds. and net rating and plus/minus... it's a blowout

why couldn't Jordan make a bounce pass in the '98 Finals where he averaged 2 assists a game and his inefficiency and ballhogging prolonged an easy sweep into a 6 game drama?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

that was 10 months ago.






no, I explained why my rankings changed here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?479979-ESPN-s-top-10-players-of-all-time&p=13992035&viewfull=1#post13992035

I correctly deduced that Magic and Kareem can't both be top 5 because their Finals record wasn't good enough (only 5-4 with a "bad call" ring in 88')..

so one of them needed to be bumped down.. I ultimately decided the bad Finals record was Magic's fault, since I blamed ball-dominance for lebron's poor Finals record as well..

i was surprised that I didn't previously notice this correlation, aka ball-dominators Magic/Lebron have shit Finals records despite crazy support.. now that I've put all this together, I have magic/lebron beside each other in the rankings at 10 and 11.. I'm extremely confident in my ranking and rationale

You didn't explain anything.

Basically after LA locked up the #1 seed, you switched up and moved onto another narrative.

Think about it. You literally changed your ENTIRE thought process because of Lebron. That in and of itself makes your understanding weak. Frail and limp. Meanwhile, Bron is gunning for his 4th title and there is nothing you can do but accept it.

[1987_Lakers]

It is completely disingenuous to compare numbers from the late 90's to 2020 bubble NBA.

3 players in '98 averaged 25+ ppg: MJ (28.7), Malone (27.0), and Shaq (28.3). Bradley Beal and Trae Young averaged 30 a game this year. :oldlol: It ain't the same.

Only difference is LeBron's efficiency rose in the playoffs from 2017-2020 while MJ's saw a slight decline in '96-'98

RS LeBron - 60 TS%
PS LeBron - 63 TS%

RS MJ - 56 TS%
PS MJ - 54 TS%

And you better believe the short 3 point line in '96 & '97 helped MJ's efficiency and we haven't even brought up the fact the LeBron has a superior edge in passing as well.

[greymatter]

Only difference is LeBron's efficiency rose in the playoffs from 2017-2020 while MJ's saw a slight decline in '96-'98

RS LeBron - 60 TS%
PS LeBron - 63 TS%

RS MJ - 56 TS%
PS MJ - 54 TS%

And you better believe the short 3 point line in '96 & '97 helped MJ's efficiency and we haven't even brought up the fact the LeBron has a superior edge in passing as well.

MJ's career 3pt efficiency from the original/current 3pt line is a shade over 29%, which is why 3tard is always doing his best to downplay Steph's skillset and posit stupid shit like saying that 2016 Curry wouldn't have been a dominant scorer in the Bird/Magic/MJ era.

[AussieSteve]

Has anyone else noticed that AD seems to be waiting under the ring for assisted point blank buckets a lot?

Not to diminish his play, which has been elite obviously, but I swear that every time the Lakers are on the break, AD seems to be on the end of it. And every time Miami have a defensive breakdown, AD seems to find himself open under the basket for the easy dunk.

Am I imagining this, or is it real?

[34-24 Footwork]

It is completely disingenuous to compare numbers from the late 90's to 2020 bubble NBA.

3 players in '98 averaged 25+ ppg: MJ (28.7), Malone (27.0), and Shaq (28.3). Bradley Beal and Trae Young averaged 30 a game this year. :oldlol: It ain't the same.

Lol.

[RRR3]

Has anyone else noticed that AD seems to be waiting under the ring for assisted point blank buckets a lot?

Not to diminish his play, which has been elite obviously, but I swear that every time the Lakers are on the break, AD seems to be on the end of it. And every time Miami have a defensive breakdown, AD seems to find himself open under the basket for the easy dunk.

Am I imagining this, or is it real?
You’re not imagining it but I’m not about to criticize AD for exploiting holes in Miami’s zone. That’s just smart.

[Trollsmasher]

Has anyone else noticed that AD seems to be waiting under the ring for assisted point blank buckets a lot?

Not to diminish his play, which has been elite obviously, but I swear that every time the Lakers are on the break, AD seems to be on the end of it. And every time Miami have a defensive breakdown, AD seems to find himself open under the basket for the easy dunk.

Am I imagining this, or is it real?

I mean that's the function of how the zone works - the dunker's spot will be getting buckets. When LeBron moved there in the 4th yesterday, he started getting easy buckets too.

It's not something to criticize but you obviously have to look at AD's numbers in the context of this.

[Shooter]

You didn't explain anything.

Basically after LA locked up the #1 seed, you switched up and moved onto another narrative.

Think about it. You literally changed your ENTIRE thought process because of Lebron. That in and of itself makes your understanding weak. Frail and limp. Meanwhile, Bron is gunning for his 4th title and there is nothing you can do but accept it.

ANNND Scene

[Manny98]

LeBron's high basketball IQ is exposing Miami's zone with his high IQ passing and scoring, he is the reason why Miami's defense is that bad. :pimp:

Meanwhile in '98...43% shooting and 2 apg. :roll:
:roll:

[Shooter]

The Jordan formula is do nothing but score poorly on bad efficiency and ignore any assisting or rebounding

1998 Finals proof: https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1998-nba-finals-bulls-vs-jazz.html

#TheMJFormula = .427% shooting with 4 rebounds and 2 apg

That just won't get it done in the modern skilled era

Sorry Mike :lol

[madmax]

The Jordan formula is do nothing but score poorly on bad efficiency and ignore any assisting or rebounding

1998 Finals proof: https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1998-nba-finals-bulls-vs-jazz.html

#TheMJFormula = .427% shooting with 4 rebounds and 2 apg

That just won't get it done in the modern skilled era

Sorry Mike :lol

ikr...
nobody who is reasonable should take watered down expansion era rings seriously, especially when the best that competition had to throw at you is malnourished accountant 10.7 ppg second option Jeff Hornacek...now just imagine Lebron having to face this guy several times in the finals...:lol
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e2/dc/0c/e2dc0ceffb8ad09fb7a80b599b47506f.jpg

[CTbasketball92]

Davis'..... 33 ppg... 63%... 16.5 plus/minus... 20.9 net rating
Lebron... 29 ppg... 55%..... 8.5 plus/minus... 12.3 net rating


is there any doubt?

but will the media be honest........... :yaohappy:.. :roll:


Sources:

https://stats.nba.com/player/203076/advanced/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4


AD's skillset and huge advantage over the Heat make it so he can more thoroughly dominate bad competition.

Also, AD is being assisted on way more of his buckets while LeBron is running the offense.

If MJ played with AD, it'd be in his team's best interest to play this way too. But AD is a far more potent offensive weapon than Scottie Pippen ever was, which you, as evidenced by all your posts about how shaky a scorer Pippen could be, already know is true. LeBron is thoroughly dominating this outmatched team, it doesn't really matter. You're not really going to try to disparage him are you?

[Shooter]

ikr...
nobody who is reasonable should take watered down expansion era rings seriously, especially when the best that competition had to throw at you is malnourished accountant 10.7 ppg second option Jeff Hornacek...now just imagine Lebron having to face this guy several times in the finals...:lol
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e2/dc/0c/e2dc0ceffb8ad09fb7a80b599b47506f.jpg

10 for 10 if Bron only needs 4 rebs and 2 assts :lol :lol

[3ball]

AD's skillset and huge advantage over the Heat make it so he can more thoroughly dominate bad competition.

Also, AD is being assisted on way more of his buckets while LeBron is running the offense.

If MJ played with AD, it'd be in his team's best interest to play this way too. But AD is a far more potent offensive weapon than Scottie Pippen ever was, which you, as evidenced by all your posts about how shaky a scorer Pippen could be, already know is true. LeBron is thoroughly dominating this outmatched team, it doesn't really matter. You're not really going to try to disparage him are you?

AD had better stats all year, aka regular season, 1st Rd, 2nd Rd, 3rd, Finals

and AD is infact closing more possessions, like MJ did.. it isn't bird-fed because often times it's a quick iso and/or the assist is only available due to MJ/AD's superior athleticism and skill to catch and finish.. ultimately, they're closing the possession and ending it favorably (- the more they do this efficiently, the more they control the game) .. people think you need to dribble to control the game, but it's actually finishing possessions (closing/scoring) that controls the game.. this is intuitive, aka scoring controls games

in addition to the individual ability needed to close many possessions efficiently, and the game-control this provides, the highly-assisted nature of play-finishers enhances the assist capacity and ball movement of the entire team.. that's why lebron is leading in assists this year - it's AD's presence, not the "switch" to PG (lebron has always played PG and his time of possession is unchanged from previous years (the time he has the ball each game))

Finally, Lebron doesn't run "the offense".. it isn't Vogel's system or an equal-opoortunity offense.. It's lebron simply being on the team, aka lebron-ball.. that's what the Lakers run.. so don't compare bron-ball to what MJ would do with today's wilt chamberlain (33 on 63% by AD) - MJ/Wilt and a ball movement system would win every year and 70+ wins per year... I'm basing this on the fact that MJ already had #1 offense and won 72 with a sidekick who averaged 16.9 on 39% in those playoffs, and his PF averaged 4 on 35% (3 on 5 offensively)

[Shooter]

AD had better stats all year, aka regular season, 1st Rd, 2nd Rd, 3rd, Finals

and AD is infact closing more possessions, like MJ did.. it isn't bird-fed because often times it's a quick iso and/or the assist is only available due to MJ/AD's superior athleticism and skill to catch and finish.. and their highly-assisted play enhances the assist capacity and ball movement of the entire team.. that's why lebron is leading in assists this year - it's AD's presence, not the "switch" to PG (lebron has always played PG and his time of possession is unchanged from previous years (the time he has the ball each game)

corers and great play-finishers/quick iso players CLOSE possessions positively

Finally, Lebron doesn't run "the offense".. it isn't Vogel's system or an equal-opoortunity offense.. It's lebron simply being on the team, aka lebron-ball.. that's what the Lakers run.. so don't compare bron-ball to what MJ would do with today's wilt chamberlain (33 on 63% by AD) - MJ/Wilt and a ball movement system would win every year and 70+ wins per year... I'm basing this on the fact that MJ already had #1 offense and won 72 with a sidekick who averaged 16.9 on 39% in those playoffs, and his PF averaged 4 on 35% (3 on 5 offensively)

AD had better stats than LeBron all rounds? Hmm

Regular season: LBJ 2nd in MVP votes, LBJ 1, AD 0
1st round: AD: 30/9/4 vs LBJ 28/10/10..tie? LBJ 1, AD 0
2nd round: LBJ led in all stats but rebounding, Pts, Ast, Stl, Blks...Easily LBJ > AD, LBJ 2, AD 0

*Not looking good so far :lol

3rd round: AD: 31-6-3, LBJ: 27-10-9 another tie

winner is...

LBJ 2, AD 0

[3ball]

AD had better stats than LeBron all rounds? Hmm

Regular season: LBJ 2nd in MVP votes, LBJ 1, AD 0
1st round: AD: 30/9/4 vs LBJ 28/10/10..tie? LBJ 1, AD 0
2nd round: LBJ led in all stats but rebounding, Pts, Ast, Stl, Blks...Easily LBJ > AD, LBJ 2, AD 0

*Not looking good so far :lol

3rd round: AD: 31-6-3, LBJ: 27-10-9 another tie

winner is...

LBJ 2, AD 0

AD leads in scoring, efficiency, and PER or obpm are catch-alls for offense

[AussieSteve]

AD had better stats all year, aka regular season, 1st Rd, 2nd Rd, 3rd, Finals

and AD is infact closing more possessions, like MJ did.. it isn't bird-fed because often times it's a quick iso and/or the assist is only available due to MJ/AD's superior athleticism and skill to catch and finish.. ultimately, they're closing the possession and ending it favorably (- the more they do this efficiently, the more they control the game) .. people think you need to dribble to control the game, but it's actually finishing possessions (closing/scoring) that controls the game.. this is intuitive, aka scoring controls games

in addition to the individual ability needed to close many possessions efficiently, and the game-control this provides, the highly-assisted nature of play-finishers enhances the assist capacity and ball movement of the entire team.. that's why lebron is leading in assists this year - it's AD's presence, not the "switch" to PG (lebron has always played PG and his time of possession is unchanged from previous years (the time he has the ball each game))

Finally, Lebron doesn't run "the offense".. it isn't Vogel's system or an equal-opoortunity offense.. It's lebron simply being on the team, aka lebron-ball.. that's what the Lakers run.. so don't compare bron-ball to what MJ would do with today's wilt chamberlain (33 on 63% by AD) - MJ/Wilt and a ball movement system would win every year and 70+ wins per year... I'm basing this on the fact that MJ already had #1 offense and won 72 with a sidekick who averaged 16.9 on 39% in those playoffs, and his PF averaged 4 on 35% (3 on 5 offensively)

Have u even been watching the games? Or just making assumption based on box scores?

[1987_Lakers]

AD leads in scoring, efficiency, and PER or obpm are catch-alls for offense

But I thought AD's scoring and efficiency are due to him being "bird fed". :oldlol:

LeBron this postseason also has a higher PER than '98 playoff MJ, guess you are admitting LeBron is better.

[SouBeachTalents]

Have u even been watching the games? Or just making assumption based on box scores?
OP has admitted to not having watched a game since 2011, which means he would've literally never even seen AD play

[RRR3]

OP has admitted to not having watched a game since 2011, which means he would've literally never even seen AD play
:roll:

[Shooter]

But I thought AD's scoring and efficiency are due to him being "bird fed". :oldlol:

LeBron this postseason also has a higher PER than '98 playoff MJ, guess you are admitting LeBron is better.

Better than 98' Jordan PER? More than that! LeBrons' 2020 playoff PER is better than MJ's following playoff PER years:

98, 97, 96, 95, 92, 89, 88, 87, 85

[LegendaryBaller]

AD was better in game one. LeBron got some numbers clearly in garbage time. AD was also better for basically all of the meaningful stretches of the game in game 2 when the fate was still in the balance. He was very much dominant. So far AD is having the better Finals.

[Shooter]

AD was better in game one. LeBron got some numbers clearly in garbage time. AD was also better for basically all of the meaningful stretches of the game in game 2 when the fate was still in the balance. He was very much dominant. So far AD is having the better Finals.

Anthony Davis doesn't have these types of games without being bird fed by Offensive Maestro LeBron. You get that part, right?

Davis played with the Pelicans for 7 years, never made it out of the 2nd round, and was not considered top 10 by most even in 2019.

https://i.postimg.cc/qq4SDMp5/One-list.png

This was from literally one season ago.

Don't get me wrong, Davis is an incredible player, no doubt, and I will love to see Davis-James tandem further step on the necks of haters as they collect more rings, but something changed for Davis overnight. The Lebron Effect.

[oldtimer28]

Davis'..... 33 ppg... 63%... 16.5 plus/minus... 20.9 net rating
Lebron... 29 ppg... 55%..... 8.5 plus/minus... 12.3 net rating


is there any doubt?

but will the media be honest........... :yaohappy:.. :roll:


Sources:

https://stats.nba.com/player/203076/advanced/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4



This just tells me that Miami's strategy is flawed and failing (unless it is to be swept.)

[tpols]

LeBron's high basketball IQ is exposing Miami's zone with his high IQ passing and scoring, he is the reason why Miami's defense is that bad. :pimp:

Meanwhile in '98...43% shooting and 2 apg. :roll:

Wait... you really think this Miami team minus Bam and Dragic is on par with the late 90's Jazz?

We had threads asking if they were the worst Finals team ever BEFORE their best defensive player and 2nd best offensive player got hurt.

:roll:

Man this forum is something else.

[Shooter]

Wait... you really think this Miami team minus Bam and Dragic is on par with the late 90's Jazz?

We had threads asking if they were the worst Finals team ever BEFORE their best defensive player and 2nd best offensive player got hurt.

:roll:

Man this forum is something else.

20 Miami 3rd option
15.5 ppg

98 Jazz 3rd optoin
9.8 ppg

we good here?

[RRR3]

Wait... you really think this Miami team minus Bam and Dragic is on par with the late 90's Jazz?

We had threads asking if they were the worst Finals team ever BEFORE their best defensive player and 2nd best offensive player got hurt.

:roll:

Man this forum is something else.
LeBron was dominating them in game 1 before the injuries.

[1987_Lakers]

Wait... you really think this Miami team minus Bam and Dragic is on par with the late 90's Jazz?

We had threads asking if they were the worst Finals team ever BEFORE their best defensive player and 2nd best offensive player got hurt.

:roll:

Man this forum is something else.

I wasn't comparing Miami and the Jazz but since you asked...

Jazz had the 17th ranked defense in '98 and MJ still shot 43% on 2 apg. :roll:

[RRR3]

I wasn't comparing Miami and the Jazz but since you asked...

Jazz had the 17th ranked defense in '98 and MJ still shot 43% on 2 apg. :roll:
Disgusting. Not my GOAT.

[tpols]

I wasn't comparing Miami and the Jazz but since you asked...

Jazz had the 17th ranked defense in '98 and MJ still shot 43% on 2 apg. :roll:

Different game. If you had Dennis Rodman, Ron Harper, Scottie Pippen etc. spacing the floor for Lebron his numbers would be nowhere near as good. That's just pitiful spacing. An older Lebron as a proportion of total shots is taking more attempts at the rim today in the playoffs than ever. I re-watched those Jazz Bulls series and they were hard fought, physical scrap fests between two teams with a ton of HOF talent. This crippled Miami team is a joke comparatively, and the series pretty much unwatchable. I know you're trolling, but you have to do better than this.

[1987_Lakers]

Different game. If you had Dennis Rodman, Ron Harper, Scottie Pippen etc. spacing the floor for Lebron his numbers would be nowhere near as good. That's just pitiful spacing. An older Lebron as a proportion of total shots is taking more attempts at the rim today in the playoffs than ever. I re-watched those Jazz Bulls series and they were hard fought, physical scrap fests between two teams with a ton of HOF talent. This crippled Miami team is a joke comparatively, and the series pretty much unwatchable. I know you're trolling, but you have to do better than this.

Spacing? That's your excuse? It's not like the Lakers can shoot lights out, hell, Miami in game 2 were basically begging the Lakers to shoot 3's.

Want to know the 3PT% for the Cavs during the 2018 postseason? A horrendous 33%. Want to know what LeBron averaged that postseason? 34/9/9 on 54 fg%.

No excuses.

[RRR3]

Different game. If you had Dennis Rodman, Ron Harper, Scottie Pippen etc. spacing the floor for Lebron his numbers would be nowhere near as good. That's just pitiful spacing. An older Lebron as a proportion of total shots is taking more attempts at the rim today in the playoffs than ever. I re-watched those Jazz Bulls series and they were hard fought, physical scrap fests between two teams with a ton of HOF talent. This crippled Miami team is a joke comparatively, and the series pretty much unwatchable. I know you're trolling, but you have to do better than this.
LeBron has had the worst spacing in the league all year :roll:

Exposed.

[Shooter]

LeBron has had the worst spacing in the league all year :roll:

Exposed.

You mean to tell me people aren't respecting Green and KCP shooting?

Not to mention Rondo, Dwight, and McGee? :lol

WE WIN AGAIN


:hammertime: :djparty

[red1]

1987_Lakers continuing his streak of high IQ posting I see.

[Shooter]

1987_Lakers continuing his streak of high IQ posting I see.

+1

Dude has been on fire educating the rooks