See what happens when AD scores like Pippen?

[3ball]

Lakers have no chance, not even against a trash injured Eastern team

lebron has never beaten a good team (top 5 SRS) with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, aka no carry-jobs against good teams

[Shooter]

PLEASE link us to ANY game where MJ's opponent was skilled enough to drop 40/12/10/2/2 on 70%


(DONT RUN, link any game where MJ faced a star that can do 40/12/10/2/2 on 70%


Side bar: If Butler scored 10.7 ppg like MJ's opponents do the Lakers win?

[kawhileonard2]

The OP is nuts, but to compare Jimmy to a guy in the finals who MJ played is nuts. Jimmy wasn't even a top 10 MVP candidate. MJ played the guy who won league mvp or finished 2nd in voting in the finals. In 1996 he played against the #6 player and #8 in the finals.
That is the same as playing against the 2017 Warriors who had the #6 and #9 players in voting or 2018 who had the #7 and #10 guys in MVP voting.

[3ball]

.
Pippen's worst series



1988 RD 1 vs. CLE......10.6 on 47.1%
1988 ECSF vs. DET...... 9.4 on 45.8%

1989 RD 1 vs. CLE......15.0 on 39.8%
1989 ECF vs. DET........ 9.7 on 40.2%


1990 ECF vs DET........16.6 on 42.8%

1992 ECSF vs NYN.....16.0 on 40.2%

1993 RD 1 vs. ATL..... 15.0 on 42.2%

1995 ECSF vs ORL.....19.0 on 40.9%

1996 ECSF vs NYN.... 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA... 15.7 on 34.3%

1997 RD 1 vs WAS.....16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF vs. MIA..... 16.8 on 41.7%

1998 ECF vs IND....... 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA... 15.7 on 41.0

**17 on 41% in 96-98' Playoffs

**19 on 42% in 6 Finals

**12 on 42% vs 88-90' Pistons






OP is nuts



you guys are nuts for knocking someone (MJ) that literally never had a bad series

so anytime the series was close or lost, it was pippen's poor play that caused it - see his many horrific series above..

Pippen was worse than Paul George but no one knocked him for it because people viewed him as a secondary player and knew mj was carrying the team.. mj was expected to win every game and no one noticed or cared how Pippen did.. Pippen never took responsibility because he wasn't a real star

[Shooter]

PLEASE link us to ANY game where MJ's opponent was skilled enough to drop 40/12/10/2/2 on 70%


(DONT RUN, link any game where MJ faced a star that can do 40/12/10/2/2 on 70%


Side bar: If Butler scored 10.7 ppg like MJ's opponents do the Lakers win?

STILL waiting OP

Gottem shook :lol

If Butler scores 10.7 ppg do the Lakers win?
If MJ had an opponent score 40-12-10 on 70% would he win?

We win again bois

:dancin

[3ball]

STILL waiting OP

Gottem shook :lol

If Butler scores 10.7 ppg do the Lakers win?
If MJ had an opponent score 40-12-10 on 70% would he win?

We win again bois

:dancin

malone had a 39 point Finals game I think

but you should understand - butler is lebron's assignment... otoh, Jordan never let anyone get 35 on him, let alone 40 - and mj held nearly every opposing shooting guard to 33-43% shooting.. Jordan is the goat offensive and defensive player

[3ball]

.
Pippen's worst series



1988 RD 1 vs. CLE......10.6 on 47.1%
1988 ECSF vs. DET...... 9.4 on 45.8%

1989 RD 1 vs. CLE......15.0 on 39.8%
1989 ECF vs. DET........ 9.7 on 40.2%


1990 ECF vs DET........16.6 on 42.8%

1992 ECSF vs NYN.....16.0 on 40.2%

1993 RD 1 vs. ATL..... 15.0 on 42.2%

1995 ECSF vs ORL.....19.0 on 40.9%

1996 ECSF vs NYN.... 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA... 15.7 on 34.3%

1997 RD 1 vs WAS.....16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF vs. MIA..... 16.8 on 41.7%

1998 ECF vs IND....... 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA... 15.7 on 41.0

**17 on 41% in 96-98' Playoffs

**19 on 42% in 6 Finals

**12 on 42% vs 88-90' Pistons



you guys are nuts for knocking someone (MJ) that literally never had a bad series

so anytime the series was close or lost, it was pippen's poor play that caused it - see his many horrific series above..

Pippen was worse than Paul George but no one knocked him for it because people viewed him as a secondary player and knew mj was carrying the team.. mj was expected to win every game and no one noticed or cared how Pippen did.. Pippen never took responsibility because he wasn't a real star

Kawhi you breathing bud?

[1987_Lakers]

malone had a 39 point Finals game I think

He had 39 in game 5 of '98. Guess who won that game, the Jazz.

To make matters worse, Toni Kukoc scored 30 in that same game but it still wasn't enough for MJ to overcome. :oldlol:

[Shooter]

He had 39 in game 5 of '98. Guess who won that game, the Jazz.

To make matters worse, Toni Kukoc scored 30 in that same game but it still wasn't enough for MJ to overcome. :oldlol:

And SCENE :lol

OP 2 ez for the bois these days

:dancin

[Sportal]

He had 39 in game 5 of '98. Guess who won that game, the Jazz.

To make matters worse, Toni Kukoc scored 30 in that same game but it still wasn't enough for MJ to overcome. :oldlol:

Cmon 3ball... You just don't "win" like you used to...

[TheGoatest]

This is what happens when Jordan only has 1 All-NBA teammate like LeBron does now and doesn't have Rodman/Grant as the third wheel:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1995-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-bulls-vs-magic.html

[3ball]

He had 39 in game 5 of '98. Guess who won that game, the Jazz.

To make matters worse, Toni Kukoc scored 30 in that same game but it still wasn't enough for MJ to overcome. :oldlol:
Lakers DRtg after game 2 was 113, so it's probably closer to 120 after game 3

utah's drtg was 105 in 98' Finals

pace is also 95, while it was 82 in 98'

carry on

[1987_Lakers]

Lakers DRtg after game 2 was 113, so it's probably closer to 120 after game 3

utah's drtg was 105 in 98' Finals

pace is also 95, while it was 82 in 98'

carry on

Didn't the Jazz have the 17th ranked defense in '98? :oldlol:

DRTG always looks good when you play in a slow pace era.

The 1975 Warriors had a 97.3 DRTG
The 2008 Celtics had a 98.3 DRTG

Does that make the Warriors a better defensive team? Watch the games instead of looking at a box score.

Carry on.

[Shooter]

Didn't the Jazz have the 17th ranked defense in '98? :oldlol:

DRTG always looks good when you play in a slow pace era.

The 1975 Warriors had a 97.3 DRTG
The 2008 Celtics had a 98.3 DRTG

Does that make the Warriors a better defensive team? Watch the games instead of looking at a box score.

Carry on.

Toe tagged and body bagged

[3ball]

Didn't the Jazz have the 17th ranked defense in '98? :oldlol:

DRTG always looks good when you play in a slow pace era.

The 1975 Warriors had a 97.3 DRTG
The 2008 Celtics had a 98.3 DRTG

Does that make the Warriors a better defensive team? Watch the games instead of looking at a box score.

Carry on.

again, the Lakers DRtg and pace in these Finals is far higher than the Jazz in the 98' Finals

the higher drtg and pace accounts for the far higher ppg scored by both teams in these Finals vs 98'

carry on

[BigShotBob]

He had 39 in game 5 of '98. Guess who won that game, the Jazz.

To make matters worse, Toni Kukoc scored 30 in that same game but it still wasn't enough for MJ to overcome. :oldlol:

MJ had 28

Pippen had 6.....

Harper had 3....

MJ didn't have the luxury of Pippen scoring at least as much as AD did so......

[Spurs m8]

Its true

[Shooter]

This is what happens when Jordan only has 1 All-NBA teammate like LeBron does now and doesn't have Rodman/Grant as the third wheel:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1995-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-bulls-vs-magic.html

Yikes

MJ took twice as many shots as Pip

Iverson Hero ball failed again

[1987_Lakers]

again, the Lakers DRtg and pace in these Finals is far higher than the Jazz in the 98' Finals

the higher drtg and pace accounts for the far higher ppg scored by both teams in these Finals vs 98'

carry on

But that doesn't explain why MJ shot 41% in '96 and 42% in '98 when the league as a whole shot 45-46% during that time. LeBron's efficiency rose in the postseason in his 30's while MJ's efficiency took a big dip.

Carry on

[NBAGOAT]

It’s a lot more simple to just say lebron had a poor game which he did and butler was easily the best player on the court.

You really are something else trying to keep your agendas consistent and you still flip them every year

[3ball]

But that doesn't explain why MJ shot 41% in '96 and 42% in '98 when the league as a whole shot 45-46% during that time. LeBron's efficiency rose in the postseason in his 30's while MJ's efficiency took a big dip.

Carry on

when did mj shoot 42% on a playoff run - you're making shit up.. he shot 46% in 96', 97', and 98' playoffs.

and the entire league has seen a rise in efficiency and offense in recent years to record levels - so lebron benefits from that and also his sidekicks score just as much as him, so he doesn't face the volume or defensive attention that mj did

mj was a 1-man team... pippen averaged 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' playoffs and rodman averaged 4 ppg

[1987_Lakers]

when did mj shoot 42% on a playoff run - you're making shit up.. he shot 46% in 96', 97', and 98' playoffs.

and the entire league has seen a rise in efficiency and offense in recent years to record levels - so lebron benefits from that and also his sidekicks score just as much as him, so he doesn't face the volume or defensive attention that mj did

mj was a 1-man team... pippen averaged 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' playoffs and rodman averaged 4 ppg

Im talking about the Finals, keep up. Even if you do look at his postseason run during his 2nd 3 peat, you will see that his efficiency fell compared to his regular season numbers if you put those 3 runs together.

[Carbine]

I didn't think it was possible but 1987Lakers is a worse poster on basketball than he is Football.

Carr the next Brett Favre, LOL. How'd that turn out?

[1987_Lakers]

I didn't think it was possible but 1987Lakers is a worse poster on basketball than he is Football.

Carr the next Brett Favre, LOL. How'd that turn out?

I'm a raider fan so I'm biased. Hard to not get excited for Carr's 2016 season after going 15 years of crappy QB play.

Nonetheless Carr actually turned out to be pretty good for a 2nd round QB.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

PLEASE link us to ANY game where MJ's opponent was skilled enough to drop 40/12/10/2/2 on 70%


(DONT RUN, link any game where MJ faced a star that can do 40/12/10/2/2 on 70%


Side bar: If Butler scored 10.7 ppg like MJ's opponents do the Lakers win?


Don't know about that, but I sure seem to remember Scottie Pippen shitting the bed in game 6 of the 1998 Finals. Lebron *did* have a sidekick get 41 pts in 2016 on 71% shooting. MJ wouldn't allow an opponent do that.
MJ was the one who knocked.:bowdown:

[3ball]

.

Lebron's worst series

2007 ECSF vs NJN... 24.7 on 42.3%
2007 ECF vs DET...... 25.8 on 44.7%
2007 Finals vs SAS... 22.0 on 35.6%

2008 ECSF vs BOS.... 26.7 on 35.5%

2010 ECSF vs BOS.... 26.8 on 44.7% (quit)

2011 RD 1 vs PHI...... 24.2 on 46.9%
2011 ECF vs CHI...... 25.8 on 44.7% (outplayed by Bosh)
2011 Finals vs DAL... 17.8 on 47.8%

2013 RD 1 vs MIL...... 24.5 on 60.7%
2013 ECSF vs CHI..... 23.6 on 43.8%
2013 Finals vs SAS... 25.3 on 44.7%

2014 ECF vs IND....... 22.8 on 55.7%

2015 ECSF vs CHI..... 26.2 on 39.9%

2016 RD 1 vs DET..... 22.8 on 48.7%
2016 ECSF vs ATL.... 24.3 on 50.7%




Im talking about the Finals, keep up. Even if you do look at his postseason run during his 2nd 3 peat, you will see that his efficiency fell compared to his regular season numbers if you put those 3 runs together.

who cares.. lebron shot 52.9 true shooting in the 13' Finals (worse than MJ ever did in the Finals), and he shot 35% and 39% in the 07' and 15' Finals (worse than MJ ever did)

but most importantly, mj was a 1-man team - he didn't have equal scoring partners like lebron does to take the load off - so Jordan's volume and defensive attention is something lebron has never faced

and of course, lebron has many series that are worse than MJ ever played, shown above

[1987_Lakers]

.

Lebron's worst series

2007 ECSF vs NJN... 24.7 on 42.3%
2007 ECF vs DET...... 25.8 on 44.7%
2007 Finals vs SAS... 22.0 on 35.6%

2008 ECSF vs BOS.... 26.7 on 35.5%

2010 ECSF vs BOS.... 26.8 on 44.7% (quit)

2011 RD 1 vs PHI...... 24.2 on 46.9%
2011 ECF vs CHI...... 25.8 on 44.7% (outplayed by Bosh)
2011 Finals vs DAL... 17.8 on 47.8%

2013 RD 1 vs MIL...... 24.5 on 60.7%
2013 ECSF vs CHI..... 23.6 on 43.8%
2013 Finals vs SAS... 25.3 on 44.7%

2014 ECF vs IND....... 22.8 on 55.7%

2015 ECSF vs CHI..... 26.2 on 39.9%

2016 RD 1 vs DET..... 22.8 on 48.7%
2016 ECSF vs ATL.... 24.3 on 50.7%


I always find it hilarious how you always hide LeBron's rebounding and assists numbers.

[3ball]

I always find it hilarious how you always hide LeBron's rebounding and assists numbers.

they're irrelevant

assists are a team decision to let one guy dominate the ball (nash, wall, lebron), or move the ball (tony parker, curry, jordan)

and rebounds mean nothing for a SG - a team is worse if a SG like MJ is getting 10 boards and taking the big man's boards away.. chemistry is a real thing (I know it's easy to forget this with everyone team-hopping, aka talent-based winning)

ultimately, lebron is supposed to be a #1 option, so scoring is the most important thing he does.. he needed to match Butler's 40 tonight - assists and rebounds have literally nothing to do with the win... nothing controls or wins a game like SCORING.. The other categories are tertiary by comparison

[SATAN]

3bitch got bodied itt

[Spurs m8]

they're irrelevant

assists are a team decision to let one guy dominate the ball (nash, wall, lebron), or move the ball (tony parker, curry, jordan)

and rebounds mean nothing for a SG - a team is worse if a SG like MJ is getting 10 boards and taking the big man's boards away.. chemistry is a real thing (I know it's easy to forget this with everyone team-hopping, aka talent-based winning)

ultimately, lebron is supposed to be a #1 option, so scoring is the most important thing he does.. he needed to match Butler's 40 tonight - assists and rebounds have literally nothing to do with the win... nothing controls or wins a game like SCORING.. The other categories are tertiary by comparison

Exactly.

Sometimes I wonder if 3ball is Artificial Intelligence with the amount of ethers he brings to the board

[TheGoatest]

I always find it hilarious how you always hide LeBron's rebounding and assists numbers.

Scoring is what matters*

*Except in 1986-87 when Jordan averaged a career high 37.1 ppg yet his team finished 40-42