Finals Butler averaging 29/7/10 on 58/40/90

[StrongLurk]

Lol Lakers defense should be ashamed of themselves letting Butler have a GOAT level series through three games. In fact, Butler is outplaying Lebron AND AD right now when you factor in his GOAT-level game three.

Honestly this just gives more credence that the "bubble" is a complete anomaly. Never have so many second and third tier "stars" played GOAT level ball. When the bubble is all wrapped up, it's hard to even define what happened. So many strange things.

[ImKobe]

Lebron always makes the opposing wings better. Kawhi, Iggy, KD & now Butler.

[StrongLurk]

Lebron always makes the opposing wings better. Kawhi, Iggy, KD & now Butler.

He doesn't even guard Butler that much. NBA defense run so many switching schemes that it's not often you get one guy guarding someone the whole game.

I expect Lebron to take Butler's assignment in the 4th quarter next game. Lakers need to shore up their defense badly and adjust to the fact that Olynyk is playing and not Bam.

[ImKobe]

He doesn't even guard Butler that much. NBA defense run so many switching schemes that it's not often you get one guy guarding someone the whole game.

I expect Lebron to take Butler's assignment in the 4th quarter next game. Lakers need to shore up their defense badly and adjust to the fact that Olynyk is playing and not Bam.

He switched off Butler multiple times when he could have stayed with him or trapped him though, some of that's obviously the fault of their defensive game plan. Butler got the better of him on both ends whenever they did match up against eachother, obviously Butler didn't score 40 points on Lebron, but he bested him in some of the key moments.

[ScottieQuitting]

ON LeBron

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Bloated averages but Jimmy is definitely balling. Yesterday's performance was a complete throwback to midrange.

There were multiple possessions Bron either got cooked or switched because he didn't want that work. Gotta call a spade a spade.

Hopefully the series stays competitive.

[StrongLurk]

He switched off Butler multiple times when he could have stayed with him or trapped him though, some of that's obviously the fault of their defensive game plan. Butler got the better of him on both ends whenever they did match up against eachother, obviously Butler didn't score 40 points on Lebron, but he bested him in some of the key moments.

Yeah I mean no doubt Butler shitted on everyone INCLUDING Lebron...this bubble is so weird man. I'm honestly completely ready for it to be over, I don't care who wins it at this point.

Let's all get back to the normal NBA with FANS and a real ATMOSPHERE.

[ScottieQuitting]

The averages aren’t bloated. They’re necessary.

Especially if you consider the fact they lost two of their starters, which was their second and third best player. Otherwise it’s not bloated.

That’s like saying LeBron’s 2015 numbers are ridiculously bloated, because he didn’t have his second and third best player. Was his 2015 Finals bloated too? :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The averages aren’t bloated. They’re necessary.

Especially if you consider the fact they lost two of their starters, which was their second and third best player. Otherwise it’s not bloated.

That’s like saying LeBron’s 2015 numbers are ridiculously bloated, because he didn’t have his second and third best player. Was his 2015 Finals bloated too? :oldlol:

The bubble inflates all numbers. Don't kid yourself, Coach.

[ScottieQuitting]

The bubble inflates all numbers. Don't kid yourself, Coach.
To an extent. For some players. So LeBron and AD’s numbers are bloated? Got it.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

To an extent. For some players. So LeBron and AD’s numbers are bloated? Got it.

No traveling. No fans booing your ass off the court. No homecourt in general. Everyone eats, including Lebron and AD.

A title is STILL a title with everyone playing under the same conditions, sure, but the curve is still there.


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[tpols]

Shouldn't be a surprise.

Durant, Kawhi, Iggy, and now Butler have all taken turns on him.

[StrongLurk]

Shouldn't be a surprise.

Durant, Kawhi, Iggy, and now Butler have all taken turns on him.

Lol get real. A lot of things in the bubble have been a surprise. NO ONE would have expected Butler to put up GOAT numbers, so you can't say you aren't surprised with a straight face.

[tpols]

Lol get real. A lot of things in the bubble have been a surprise. NO ONE would have expected Butler to put up GOAT numbers, so you can't say you aren't surprised with a straight face.

Again... Kawhi and Durant put up GOAT numbers as well on him. Durant put up 35 ppg on 70 TS which is even better than Butler. Baby Kawhi's 3 game avalanche in 2014 he was shooting like 75 TS as well. Even a regular season 8 PPG Iggy won FMVP over him. So no... you shouldn't be surprised. It's embarrassing that the Lakers couldn't sweep this team minus their 2nd and third best players. It would be like the 2015 cavs up against the 2017 warriors. Butler one man army'ed them yesterday.

[imdaman99]

Seems like Jimmy's got a bigger frame than Westbrook or Jamal Murray, smaller guys that Lebron could easily bully. Jimmy while still being smaller, can go at him.

That being said, that was the game of Jimmy's life. He is not doing that again. By again, I mean a 40 point triple double in the finals :lol he might have another decent game but not like this.

[ScottieQuitting]

Again... Kawhi and Durant put up GOAT numbers as well on him. Durant put up 35 ppg on 70 TS which is even better than Butler. Baby Kawhi's 3 game avalanche in 2014 he was shooting like 75 TS as well. Even a regular season 8 PPG Iggy won FMVP over him. So no... you shouldn't be surprised. It's embarrassing that the Lakers couldn't sweep this team minus their 2nd and third best players. It would be like the 2015 cavs up against the 2017 warriors. Butler one man army'ed them yesterday.
Why don’t you go even further with it.

Allen Iverson one-man armies it vs the undefeated juggernaut double headed Alpha monster in Shaq and Kobe in 2001 Finals. At 5 foot 11. All that heart, toughness and competitiveness.

One player steals a game they had no business winning. Should’ve been a sweep.

Now Jimmy Butler versus the two headed Alpha monster in the LeBron and Anthony Davis Lakers? Without his second and third best player?!

One player steals a game they had no business winning. Should’ve been a sweep.

The only person that didn’t do it, and couldn’t follow through?

The guy they claim to be a one-man army. LeBron James.

Don’t you remember he forgot that he had a time out, passed off the potential game winning shot with little Stephanie Curry guarding him, then threw his teammate and coach under the bus in a tantrum basically. Went into overtime pouting and basically quit on his team?

Basically explains the difference between physical potential and the intangibles that actually make a winner ... a winner and why another guy is three for nine in the finals, while his young nerd stans claim he’s the greatest ever

:lol

[StrongLurk]

Again... Kawhi and Durant put up GOAT numbers as well on him. Durant put up 35 ppg on 70 TS which is even better than Butler. Baby Kawhi's 3 game avalanche in 2014 he was shooting like 75 TS as well. Even a regular season 8 PPG Iggy won FMVP over him. So no... you shouldn't be surprised. It's embarrassing that the Lakers couldn't sweep this team minus their 2nd and third best players. It would be like the 2015 cavs up against the 2017 warriors. Butler one man army'ed them yesterday.

Kawhi didn't do shit noteworthy and Iggy was left completely wide open in the 2015 finals due to the Cavs strategy of double teaming Curry every second. Curry clearly should have won 2015 FMVP.

Now Durant? Yes dude destroyed Lebron and the Cavs no doubt. But Lebron was just as good against Durant.

But yes, keep on acting like you expected Jimmy Butler to play like Michael Jordan...we are all buying it.

[Doranku]

Jimmy is the first player to outscore, outassist, and outrebound Bran in a finals game. :applause:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

First he outplayed and destroyed giannis. Now he's outplaying LeBron. Now people can respect what kawhi did to Butler last season. Kawhi had zero help that series vs 76ers as well

[StrongLurk]

First he outplayed and destroyed giannis. Now he's outplaying LeBron. Now people can respect what kawhi did to Butler last season. Kawhi had zero help that series vs 76ers as well

According to you the bubble doesn't count and is meaningless. Clearly Kawhi went up against an inferior "product" of Jimmy Butler last year.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He switched off Butler multiple times when he could have stayed with him or trapped him though, some of that's obviously the fault of their defensive game plan. Butler got the better of him on both ends whenever they did match up against eachother, obviously Butler didn't score 40 points on Lebron, but he bested him in some of the key moments.

And butler stayed on LeBron. Heat have the best way of defending pick and rolls, they do a hard show but they don't switch. More teams needs to copy this. Switching just causes mismatches

[HBK_Kliq_2]

According to you the bubble doesn't count and is meaningless. Clearly Kawhi went up against an inferior "product" of Jimmy Butler last year.

Kawhi went up against a superior non bubble Butler. The bubble makes everybody worse.

[GrayGoat]

Kawhi went up against a superior non bubble Butler. The bubble makes everybody worse.

Does the bubble count or not? If Butler wins it is meaningless yeah?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Does the bubble count or not? If Butler wins it is meaningless yeah?

It doesn't hold the same value as a normal nba ring I don't think. However, butler is an extreme underdog. So in butler's case, it does count. It only doesn't count if Lakers win. Butler had the odds extremely stacked against him, so I will give him credit.

[red1]

butler deserves it. he's an all substance, no flash player. he's proven how valuable he is after how well he played for philly last year and how good he's been for the heat this year.

[GrayGoat]

butler deserves it. he's an all substance, no flash player. he's proven how valuable he is after how well he played for philly last year and how good he's been for the heat this year.

He didn’t play well against the raptors

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He didn’t play well against the raptors

He was the only reason it was a series, go watch it again.

[red1]

He didn’t play well against the raptors

he was the guy that worried me the most on their team. I disagree.

[Jimi UK]

He's having a better finals than any of MJs

[3ball]

yeah I mean no doubt Butler shitted on everyone INCLUDING Lebron...



so imagine what MJ would do in Butler's place... :roll:.. heat would win easily

and Butler had no three-point attempts last night and only 5 total for the series.. so it's perfect - mj would destroy these Lakers and today's league

of course, mj already won titles while shooting threes at today's level - he shot 39% on 4 attempts in the 93' playoffs, 93' Finals, and 92' Finals

[SATAN]

Mj wouldn't even be in the bubble unless Pippen were helping/saving him.

[3ball]

Mj wouldn't even be in the bubble unless Pippen were helping/saving him.


Pippen's averages



1988 RD 1 vs. CLE......10.6 on 47.1%
1988 ECSF vs. DET...... 9.4 on 45.8%

1989 RD 1 vs. CLE......15.0 on 39.8%
1989 ECF vs. DET........ 9.7 on 40.2%


1990 ECF vs DET........16.6 on 42.8%

1992 ECSF vs NYN.....16.0 on 40.2%

1993 RD 1 vs. ATL..... 15.0 on 42.2%

1995 ECSF vs ORL.....19.0 on 40.9%

1996 ECSF vs NYN.... 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA... 15.7 on 34.3%

1997 RD 1 vs WAS.....16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF vs. MIA..... 16.8 on 41.7%

1998 ECF vs IND....... 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA... 15.7 on 41.0

**17 on 41% in 96-98' Playoffs

**19 on 42% in 6 Finals

**12 on 42% vs 88-90' Pistons


you guys are nuts for knocking someone (MJ) that literally never had a bad series

so anytime the series was close or lost, it was pippen's poor play that caused it - see his many horrific series above..

Pippen was worse than Paul George but no one knocked him for it because people viewed him as a secondary player and everyone knew that mj was carrying the team.. mj was expected to win every game and no one noticed or cared how Pippen did.. Pippen never took responsibility because he wasn't a real star

ultimately, mj nearly beat the 89' Pistons despite 10 on 40% from pippen - so mj would've won with anyone OTHER than pippen, thus proving he didn't need him.. and Phil wasn't there in 89' either (Phil inherited a team on the cusp of the Finals

[PeroAntic]

Butler is just that good. Keep underestimating him though.

[GrayGoat]

Pippen's averages



1988 RD 1 vs. CLE......10.6 on 47.1%
1988 ECSF vs. DET...... 9.4 on 45.8%

1989 RD 1 vs. CLE......15.0 on 39.8%
1989 ECF vs. DET........ 9.7 on 40.2%


1990 ECF vs DET........16.6 on 42.8%

1992 ECSF vs NYN.....16.0 on 40.2%

1993 RD 1 vs. ATL..... 15.0 on 42.2%

1995 ECSF vs ORL.....19.0 on 40.9%

1996 ECSF vs NYN.... 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA... 15.7 on 34.3%

1997 RD 1 vs WAS.....16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF vs. MIA..... 16.8 on 41.7%

1998 ECF vs IND....... 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA... 15.7 on 41.0

**17 on 41% in 96-98' Playoffs

**19 on 42% in 6 Finals

**12 on 42% vs 88-90' Pistons


you guys are nuts for knocking someone (MJ) that literally never had a bad series

so anytime the series was close or lost, it was pippen's poor play that caused it - see his many horrific series above..

Pippen was worse than Paul George but no one knocked him for it because people viewed him as a secondary player and everyone knew that mj was carrying the team.. mj was expected to win every game and no one noticed or cared how Pippen did.. Pippen never took responsibility because he wasn't a real star

ultimately, mj nearly beat the 89' Pistons despite 10 on 40% from pippen - so mj would've won with anyone OTHER than pippen, thus proving he didn't need him.. and Phil wasn't there in 89' either (Phil inherited a team on the cusp of the Finals

No Pip no chip

[3ball]

No Pip no chip

look at those numbers

mj obviously wins with anyone, especially in a 2-star vs 2-star format

[Axe]

If the lakers double butler, he wouldn't be like that again. But having that said, he's a great solid player.

[GrayGoat]

look at those numbers

mj obviously wins with anyone, especially in a 2-star vs 2-star format
That’s only true when you team MJ up with opposing teams 1st option star players. Otoh Pippen gapped opposing teams 2nd options