Jimmy Butler is better then Clyde Drexler ever was

[HBK_Kliq_2]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2019-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-76ers-vs-raptors.html


Jimmy Butler 2018-2020 is a better player then Clyde Drexler ever was


Butler took the Kawhi raptors further then Drexler took Jordan's bulls.

Butler is now shitting on any Drexler playoff run. Eliminating the reigning MVP in Giannis and game 3 made the biggest finals upset in nba history. Now I know why they call him jimmy buckets. Butler has better defense, ball handling, shooting, physical and mental toughness. Clyde loses to butler in every category.

The link on top post will show you the light on who the real GOAT is after all.

[GrayGoat]

3ball?

[Shooter]

Duh

[HBK_Kliq_2]

3ball?

3Ball would think Clyde is better ya numbskull. If anything, this thread makes me being not 3ball by default.

[Shooter]

3Ball would think Clyde is better ya numbskull. If anything, this thread makes me being not 3ball by default.

What's your top 5 list?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

What's your top 5 list?

1. Kawhi
2. Shaq
3. Jordan

[TommyGriffin]

1. Kawhi
2. Shaq
3. Jordan

Agreed. I also have Kawhi as the greatest player of all-time.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Reaction thread literally based on one game.


1. Kawhi
2. Shaq
3. Jordan

https://i.postimg.cc/tTZrQ6sB/rsz-1condom-heads2.jpg

[Shooter]

Reaction thread literally based on one game.



https://i.postimg.cc/tTZrQ6sB/rsz-1condom-heads2.jpg

Pretty much :lol

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Reaction thread literally based on one game.



https://i.postimg.cc/tTZrQ6sB/rsz-1condom-heads2.jpg

An entire playoff run this year, only one to take kawhi raptors to 7, carrying scrubs to playoff with twolves. 3 year sample size.

[MrFonzworth]

Yep, Butler is a tier 1 star now. Clyde was a tier 2 star like Siakam, Kawhi, Tatum, etc.

[3ball]

DRTG in Finals

2020 Lakers..... 115

1990 Pistons... 104
1992 Bulls....... 103


yet Clyde averaged 26/8/6 on 54% vs Pistons (rodman defending)).. and 25/8/5 on MJ/Pip

otoh, butler is playing against matador defenders by comparison

clyde is a near-goat-level pure talent that doesn't get credit

out of Kawhi, Butler, and Clyde, the best athlete is easily clyde, and he never lifted weights.. ever

the best players in the 90's were "1st option Finals guys", aka Barkley, Malone, MJ, Hakeem, Ewing, Drexler and Robinson - Drexler was top 10 player of the decade

[MrFonzworth]

DRTG in Finals

2020 Lakers..... 115

1990 Pistons... 104
1992 Bulls....... 103


yet Clyde averaged 26/8/6 on 54% vs Pistons (rodman defending)).. and 25/8/5 on MJ/Pip

otoh, butler is playing against matador defenders by comparison

clyde is a near-goat-level pure talent that doesn't get credit

out of Kawhi, Butler, and Clyde, the best athlete is easily clyde, and he never lifted weights.. ever

the best players in the 90's were "1st option Finals guys", aka Barkley, Malone, MJ, Hakeem, Ewing, Drexler and Robinson - Drexler was top 10 player of the decade
What's the point of this lie again?

[Axe]

Op forgetting the fact that jimmy on minny in their most recent postseason appearance didn't even get past the first round.

[3ball]

What's the point of this lie again?

that's what clyde said - that he never lifted - or someone else said that about him - I think it was in the mj doc

[MrFonzworth]

Op forgetting the fact that jimmy on minny in their most recent postseason appearance didn't even get past the first round.

He was fking KAT's girl though so he still gets props.

[Bronbron23]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2019-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-76ers-vs-raptors.html


Jimmy Butler 2018-2020 is a better player then Clyde Drexler ever was


Butler took the Kawhi raptors further then Drexler took Jordan's bulls.

Butler is now shitting on any Drexler playoff run. Eliminating the reigning MVP in Giannis and game 3 made the biggest finals upset in nba history. Now I know why they call him jimmy buckets. Butler has better defense, ball handling, shooting, physical and mental toughness. Clyde loses to butler in every category.

The link on top post will show you the light on who the real GOAT is after all.

This has to be one of the worsr takes ever. I like jimmy but he's not as good as drexler. Butler is killing in an era where alot of guys are killing it. Fast pace, less physicality on defense and no down low rim protection.

This heat team is easily one of the worst finals teams ever. Just deal with it dude.

[MrFonzworth]

that's what clyde said - that he never lifted - or someone else said that about him - I think it was in the mj doc

That was a riff because he had no arms. Of course he lifted you autistic dork, you actually thought he didn't?

[MrFonzworth]

Look at the physique difference from when he came into the league to him in Houston. This dipshit actually thought he never lifted?

[Shooter]

Yep, Butler is a tier 1 star now. Clyde was a tier 2 star like Siakam, Kawhi, Tatum, etc.

:roll::roll:

[Shooter]

that's what clyde said - that he never lifted - or someone else said that about him - I think it was in the mj doc

How did you do it again? Make up yet another lie


https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/clyde-drexler-of-the-houston-rockets-shoots-a-foul-shot-during-a-game-picture-id531732414?s=612x612

[MrFonzworth]

How did you do it again? Make up yet another lie


https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/clyde-drexler-of-the-houston-rockets-shoots-a-foul-shot-during-a-game-picture-id531732414?s=612x612

Like why would you even lie about that. Mentioning it doesn't support or take away from the case at all. Dude is so *** drunk about 90s ball he's creating stories to make it seem more interesting.

[3ball]

That was a riff because he had no arms. Of course he lifted you autistic dork, you actually thought he didn't?
bruh, jordan lifted weights for the first time in 89' off-season

Drexler never did, and one of the dream-teamers mentioned this in the jordan doc.. my ears didn't deceive me.. guys didn't lift in the 80's and many guys didn't lift in the 90's.. this is common knowledge

here's the article from 1992 that says Jordan didn't lift until the 90' off-season... and btw, the article describes how mj was CARRYING the bulls to the 92' title.. no one thought the bulls were stacked and mj was perceived to be carrying the team

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-xpm-1992-06-14-0000200699-story,amp.html

[MrFonzworth]

bruh, jordan lifted weights for the first time in 89' off-season

Drexler never did, and one of the dream-teamers mentioned this in the jordan doc.. my ears didn't deceive me.. guys didn't lift in the 80's and many guys didn't lift in the 90's.. this is common knowledge

here's the article from 1992 that says Jordan didn't lift until the 90' off-season... and btw, the article describes how mj was CARRYING the bulls to the 92' title.. no one thought the bulls were stacked and mj was perceived to be carrying the team

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-xpm-1992-06-14-0000200699-story,amp.html

Hey dumb ass, we're not talking about the gambler. Everyone knows he was a weak bitch for most of his career. Again, look at Clyde coming into the NBA and look at him in Houston. That's a result of muscle hypertrophy. You don't get those shoulders by running around all day.

NEVER lifted weights huh? What else explains it?

[3ball]

Hey dumb ass, we're not talking about the gambler. Everyone knows he was a weak bitch for most of his career.




Again, look at Clyde coming into the NBA and look at him in Houston. That's a result of muscle hypertrophy. You don't get those shoulders by running around all day.

NEVER lifted weights huh? What else explains it?

you think clyde looks like he lifted weights?

what pics are you looking at - he clearly looks like a great natural athlete that DOESN'T lift.. a skinny, bony guy.. not a muscular guy

again, I'm not making this shit up.. it's common knowledge that many guys didn't lift back then.. and I guarantee that if you watch that Jordan doc, they will mention that clyde never lifted

[GrayGoat]

Hey dumb ass, we're not talking about the gambler. Everyone knows he was a weak bitch for most of his career. Again, look at Clyde coming into the NBA and look at him in Houston. That's a result of muscle hypertrophy. You don't get those shoulders by running around all day.

NEVER lifted weights huh? What else explains it?
Lol explain 3ball

[GrayGoat]

you think clyde looks like he lifted weights?

what pics are you looking at - he clearly looks like a great natural athlete that DOESN'T lift.. a skinny, bony guy.. not a muscular guy

again, I'm not making this shit up.. it's common knowledge that many guys didn't lift back then.. and I guarantee that if you watch that Jordan doc, they will mention that clyde never lifted
Clyde literally running around every game and he looks like a bodybuilder while not lifting lol

[3ball]

Clyde literally running around every game and he looks like a bodybuilder while not lifting lol

as of 1992, Drexler had never lifted

maybe by 95' he'd started a little bit, but not the early 90's or 80's - it's just a fact - I'll believe the guys that played with clyde over you guys poring through Drexler pics to find one that makes his muscles gleam the most... sad..

accept it - Drexler didn't lift, and one day when I re-watch the jordan doc, I'll show you guys what episode it was

[MrFonzworth]

Oh so you can't explain it? Didn't think so.

Your only argument over a lie you made up is a quote you wont cite and you're sticking to your guns vs visible proof of muscle hypertrophy aka weight lifting. Got it nerd.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

DRTG in Finals

2020 Lakers..... 115

1990 Pistons... 104
1992 Bulls....... 103


yet Clyde averaged 26/8/6 on 54% vs Pistons (rodman defending)).. and 25/8/5 on MJ/Pip

otoh, butler is playing against matador defenders by comparison

clyde is a near-goat-level pure talent that doesn't get credit

out of Kawhi, Butler, and Clyde, the best athlete is easily clyde, and he never lifted weights.. ever

the best players in the 90's were "1st option Finals guys", aka Barkley, Malone, MJ, Hakeem, Ewing, Drexler and Robinson - Drexler was top 10 player of the decade

Offenses are way better these days because talent pool, floor spacing, more picks and rolls, better shooters, no big man clogging lanes

AKA 10x harder offenses to defend. Lakers still remained an elite defense all year.

Kawhi also squats 400 pounds and leg presses about 600 pounds, his physical strength destroys Clyde and that's what makes him a better athlete. But Clyde isn't on Kawhi's level, Clyde would get embarrassed by Kawhi like Butler did in 2019 playoffs. Clydes not even better then Butler, he never eliminated an MVP or had a finals performance like this.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Op forgetting the fact that jimmy on minny in their most recent postseason appearance didn't even get past the first round.

Towns and Wiggins were a 20 win laughing stock without Butler. Somebody needs to beat some sense into you one day.

[MrFonzworth]

Imagine getting your shit pushed in by a Khoking Kwhit stan:roll::roll::roll:

[TheCorporation]

Hey dumb ass, we're not talking about the gambler. Everyone knows he was a weak bitch for most of his career. Again, look at Clyde coming into the NBA and look at him in Houston. That's a result of muscle hypertrophy. You don't get those shoulders by running around all day.

NEVER lifted weights huh? What else explains it?

:lol :lol

Damn I'm glad to be back. Got banned just for saying the 1998 Jazz was a weak Finals team. Shit this forum is getting soft on me.

[Axe]

Towns and Wiggins were a 20 win laughing stock without Butler. Somebody needs to beat some sense into you one day.
Doesn't make you any less dumb for calling the 2019 sixers the 'warriors of the east' tho

[tpols]

22 PPG on 122 ORTG is really nice... but Clyde put up better than that volume and efficiency. I'm actually kind of blown away by Drexler's prime playoff efficiency and volume. He was scoring at a very elite level and was a great playmaker athlete and defensive player as well. He averaged 20+ PPG on 120 ORTG in 1995 championship run with clutch play to boot, and everybody acts like Hakeem carried scrubs. And he did it in an era where it was harder to get buckets. No way is Jimmy better than prime Clyde.

[Phoenix]

22 PPG on 122 ORTG is really nice... but Clyde put up better than that volume and efficiency. I'm actually kind of blown away by Drexler's prime playoff efficiency and volume. He was scoring at a very elite level and was a great playmaker athlete and defensive player as well. He averaged 20+ PPG on 120 ORTG in 1995 championship run with clutch play to boot, and everybody acts like Hakeem carried scrubs. And he did it in an era where it was harder to get buckets. No way is Jimmy better than prime Clyde.

I don't think people consider the Rockets 'scrubs', as much as the 94 run was basically Hakeem and a cast of really good role players who played their parts to perfection. Clyde was definitely a more than solid number 2 on the 95 team, but people mostly remember how dominant Dream was against his own positional rivals.

[Hey Yo]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2019-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-76ers-vs-raptors.html


Jimmy Butler 2018-2020 is a better player then Clyde Drexler ever was


Butler took the Kawhi raptors further then Drexler took Jordan's bulls.

Butler is now shitting on any Drexler playoff run. Eliminating the reigning MVP in Giannis and game 3 made the biggest finals upset in nba history. Now I know why they call him jimmy buckets. Butler has better defense, ball handling, shooting, physical and mental toughness. Clyde loses to butler in every category.

The link on top post will show you the light on who the real GOAT is after all.
Dumb

[Phoenix]

Butler> Kawhi.

[SouBeachTalents]

Butler> Kawhi.
Butler this Finals > Kawhi last year

[Phoenix]

Butler this Finals > Kawhi last year

:cheers:

[8Ball]

Jimmy Butler > Clyde Drexler.

[3ball]

Offenses are way better these days because talent pool, floor spacing, more picks and rolls, better shooters, no big man clogging lanes

AKA 10x harder offenses to defend. Lakers still remained an elite defense all year.

Kawhi also squats 400 pounds and leg presses about 600 pounds, his physical strength destroys Clyde and that's what makes him a better athlete. But Clyde isn't on Kawhi's level, Clyde would get embarrassed by Kawhi like Butler did in 2019 playoffs. Clydes not even better then Butler, he never eliminated an MVP or had a finals performance like this.

butler averaged 22 against Kawhi

Clyde averaged 26 against mj and rodman (90' and 92' Finals), so he would get more against Kawhi with today's higher pace and drtg..

so the stats prove you wrong

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Doesn't make you any less dumb for calling the 2019 sixers the 'warriors of the east' tho

3 all nba level players, one 20PPG scorer, one 18PPG scorer


22 PPG on 122 ORTG is really nice... but Clyde put up better than that volume and efficiency. I'm actually kind of blown away by Drexler's prime playoff efficiency and volume. He was scoring at a very elite level and was a great playmaker athlete and defensive player as well. He averaged 20+ PPG on 120 ORTG in 1995 championship run with clutch play to boot, and everybody acts like Hakeem carried scrubs. And he did it in an era where it was harder to get buckets. No way is Jimmy better than prime Clyde.

Butler has nobody close to Hakeem though. Bam is a non retard Montrezl Harrell an undersized slasher.

Don't forget butler has also gone through a brutal playoff run against bucks 1st defense, Celtics top 5 defense, Lakers top 5 defense and still has a 122 offensive rating.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Imagine getting your shit pushed in by a Khoking Kwhit stan:roll::roll::roll:

Imagine getting your shit pushed in by Jason Terry in the NBA finals

[Whoah10115]

I understand how Trump got elected.

Close to full.

[3ball]

Drexler has higher scoring, rebound, and assist averages, and better athlete

it's not close.. Drexler was on the Barkley/Malone/Ewing level, aka 1st option Finals guys.. only the best were 1st option Finals guys in the 90's - butler isn't on this level (wouldn't be a top player in the 90's, aka < Ewing, Malone, etc... whereas Drexler was on their level

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Dumb

Name me a bigger upset. The team better have at least two starters and 40PPG missing.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

butler averaged 22 against Kawhi

Clyde averaged 26 against mj and rodman (90' and 92' Finals), so he would get more against Kawhi with today's higher pace and drtg..

so the stats prove you wrong

Yeah but Clyde only had a 51% TS during his first finals run. The pistons series his team got his ass kicked in 5 games, so he was just padding stats like 2017/18 LeBron pretty much.

[3ball]

Yeah but Clyde only had a 51% TS during his first finals run. The pistons series his team got his ass kicked in 5 games, so he was just padding stats like 2017/18 LeBron pretty much.

butler would get swept by mj, whereas Drexler gave him a tough series

Drexler is 20/6/6 for his career, while butler is 17/5/3

[Kblaze8855]

Kawhi also squats 400 pounds and leg presses about 600 pounds


Go to a gym and put 400-500 pounds on the leg press and try it. You might be surprised what normal people can leg press as a beginner.

[HoopsNY]

1. Kawhi
2. Shaq
3. Jordan

Kawhi #1 of ALL-TIME? lol

[Phoenix]

Kawhi #1 of ALL-TIME? lol

I'm convinced that poster is a mod. I've seen people get banned here for posting less offensive troll drivel.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Watching Butler's game 3 and it was so clear that it has NEVER been this easy to score. With the numbers he put up, you'd think he had one of the 5-10 best Finals games ever. But when you watch it, you're like...that's it? Literally nothing he did was super impressive by all time standards, or by superstar standards. Sorry. This is the truth.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Go to a gym and put 400-500 pounds on the leg press and try it. You might be surprised what normal people can leg press as a beginner.

Especially if you're athletic and have played ball or other sports your whole life. I never went to the gym in my life, but played basketball obsessively through my mid-20's and then 1-2 times per week until my early 30's until I hurt my back. When I started to work out at the gym several years later, I was immediately able to do 3 x 12 reps of 860 pounds on the incline leg press machine. I used to be able to rep out like 25-30 reps of 420 pounds on the horizontal leg press machine.

[Bronbron23]

Offenses are way better these days because talent pool, floor spacing, more picks and rolls, better shooters, no big man clogging lanes

AKA 10x harder offenses to defend. Lakers still remained an elite defense all year.

Kawhi also squats 400 pounds and leg presses about 600 pounds, his physical strength destroys Clyde and that's what makes him a better athlete. But Clyde isn't on Kawhi's level, Clyde would get embarrassed by Kawhi like Butler did in 2019 playoffs. Clydes not even better then Butler, he never eliminated an MVP or had a finals performance like this.

Offenses definitely aren't better. Just looks that way because of the rules. Allow guys to handcheck, body, fight through screens and contest shots and these Offenses woukd all of a sudden look much worse.

And im not sure where you got the info that kawhi squats 400 pounds but i dought thats true if he's only leg pressing 600. If you can squat 400 you should be able to leg press more than double that.

[Kblaze8855]

Especially if you're athletic and have played ball or other sports your whole life. I never went to the gym in my life, but played basketball obsessively through my mid-20's and then 1-2 times per week until my early 30's until I hurt my back. When I started to work out at the gym several years later, I was immediately able to do 3 x 12 reps of 860 pounds on the incline leg press machine. I used to be able to rep out like 25-30 reps of 420 pounds on the horizontal leg press machine.



Yea even in high school guys were doing 1000. Unless you’re on one of those rare weird machines that tries to kill you with the angle 600 pounds is light work even for lanky guys. Maybe not 6’8” lanky but still it isn’t enough to be bragging.

[TheGoatest]

One of the few quality posts OP has made on this forum, but even a broken clock is right twice per day.

Anyway, the remarkable thing is that even though Butler is better than Drexler (by far the best player Jordan ever had to face on his position), Butler is at best the 4th, and possibly as low as 6th best SF LeBron had to go through in his career, after:

Durant
Kawhi
Pierce
Butler/George/Carmelo - not sure how to rank these

What a testament to LeBron's greatness!

[Roundball_Rock]

Drexler peaked higher and had a better prime. Butler was never a top 5 player like Drexler was. Butler was underappreciated until recent weeks, though.

[Round Mound]

Not true. Drexler was more of a complete player Butler was. He was a better scorer, rebounder, passer and about even defensively. He also would have looked bulkier if he did the weight lifting programs they have today.

Drexler' Less athletic? That´s crazy Drexler was one of the most athletic 6'7 ft guards ever! He was called "The Glide" for a reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FemXo57pJrk

[Round Mound]

Not true. Drexler was more of a complete player Butler was. He was a better scorer, rebounder, passer and about even defensively. He also would have looked bulkier if he did the weight lifting programs they have today.

Drexler Less athletic? That´s crazy! Drexler was one of the most athletic 6'7 ft guards ever! He was called "The Glide" for a reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FemXo57pJrk

[Carbine]

Prisoner of the moment topic.

[bizil]

HELL NAH! Drexler HANDS DOWN was better than Butler. Better scorer, rebounder, and passer. And one of the ULTIMATE freak athletes in NBA history. Along with MJ, he brought 6'6 and up freak athletic ability to the backcourt. Those types of players at that size and athletic ability were SF's traditionally. BUT MJ and Clyde were such complete players that u could play them in the backcourt. And hell play them at the PG, SG, or SF. I know Clyde's handles catch heat. But in terms of his passing ability and ability to carve up defenses with his slashing, he could be the primary facilitator.

Jimmy is easily the better defender. And when it comes to combining scoring, passing, rebounding, and defense AS A PACKAGE, Butler peak-prime wise is turning into a top 10 SG OR SF. Whatever position you list him as. I will give him that. But Drexler was the better player. Not on knock on Jimmy, but Clyde is a top 5 or 6 GOAT caliber SG. Peak-prime wise, he's right around that same level as well. But with this Finals run, Butler's HOF chances greatly increased. It appeared he was on track for a case to get in before. But now his chances went up substantially.

[TheCorporation]

Duh

+1

[And1AllDay]

Yep, Butler is a tier 1 star now. Clyde was a tier 2 star like Siakam, Kawhi, Tatum, etc.

bang!!

[insight]

Not true. Drexler was more of a complete player Butler was. He was a better scorer, rebounder, passer and about even defensively. He also would have looked bulkier if he did the weight lifting programs they have today.

Drexler Less athletic? That´s crazy! Drexler was one of the most athletic 6'7 ft guards ever! He was called "The Glide" for a reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FemXo57pJrk

Yeah dunking 1 step inside the free throw line in a game is ridiculous. People sleep on how good Drexler was, Jimmy Butler is a ludicrous comparison.

[ClipperRevival]

Drexler was just the better basketball player.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1cc87b52d9f29a50c994c6d5c4583d90/tenor.gif?itemid=16943828

[TheCorporation]

Drexler was just the better basketball player.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1cc87b52d9f29a50c994c6d5c4583d90/tenor.gif?itemid=16943828

No

[Mr.GOAT2408]

Butler would be lucky to average over 17 ppg back then even on average efficiency, but defensively he'd have been a beast back then with the rules in place

Drexler better but Butler a better overachiever since Clyde especially after MJ destroyed his psyche never really played up to his full potential. Butler achieved his full potential despite all the odds being against him

[TheCorporation]

Yep, Butler is a tier 1 star now. Clyde was a tier 2 star like Siakam, Kawhi, Tatum, etc.

Ether

[2much_knowledge]

Just came back here to laugh again at the tittle. Lol. Thats all, bye

[Wally450]

1. Kawhi
2. Shaq
3. Jordan

:roll::roll::roll:

I needed that laugh this morning.

[ELITEpower23]

Yep, Butler is a tier 1 star now. Clyde was a tier 2 star like Siakam, Kawhi, Tatum, etc.

Body bagged

[ClipperRevival]

Wheels and his alts saying it's Butler. Rest of the world, Drexler.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

[FKAri]

1. Kawhi
2. Shaq
3. Jordan

:oldlol:

[PeroAntic]

Drexler was just the better basketball player.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1cc87b52d9f29a50c994c6d5c4583d90/tenor.gif?itemid=16943828

If Drexler dunking from the free throw line makes him a better player than Butler then Blake Griffin is the best player ever.

[999Guy]

And?

[ClipperRevival]

Drexler reg season stats:

20.4 PPG, 6.1, RPG, 5.6 APG, 2.0 SPG, .472 FG%, .318 3PT%, .788 FT%, 21.1 PER, 1086 games

Drexler playoff stats:

20.4 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 6.1 APG, 1.9 SPG, .447 FG%, .288 3PT%, .787 FT%, 145 games

Butler reg season stats:

17.4 PPG, 5.2 RPG, 4.0 APG, 1.6 SPG, .458 FG%, .327 3PT%, .838 FT%, 20.9 PER, 633 games

Butler playoff stats:

18.4 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 4.3 APG, .1.5 SPG, 443 FG%, .346 3PT%, .836 FT%, 80 games

The raw stats favor Drexler. And I know those saying Butler will say he peaked higher in the 2020 finals. But you can argue Drexler peaked just as high when he literally closed out the Jazz in the 1st round in 1995 when he went bananas in games 4 and 5 after being down 2-1. He averaged 36 PPG on 70% in those 2 games. And he's had other very impressive playoff series.

Drexler was "the man" on two finals teams and was the 2nd fiddle player on a championship winning team. So 3 finals appearances. He was 2nd in the MVP voting in 1992.

I give the edge in defense to Butler and maybe he was a tad better scorer in the half court but I always got the sense that Butler was underwhelming for large portions of his career and could've done more but didn't. You don't get points for potential but results.

Drexler was clearly more athletic, the better scorer, rebounder and passer. He was just better when you look at the overall picture. Now, Butler is still young and can add to his legacy but right now, it's Drexler.

[Kblaze8855]

I only now noticed the Clyde lifting argument. Clyde lifted weights. He was a hard worker far as maintaining his body. His hops came from working out not nature. He was like Steve Francis. A gym built athlete.

[Kblaze8855]

Here he is talking about it:


"There was nothing natural about my jumping ability; it was 'natural' after I spent six hours a day working on it (laughs). I had so many exercises to improve the strength of my legs: sprinting, jump rope, squats, wearing ankle weights two or three days at a time and jumping rope with those ankle weights. I did all that for a 10-year period of time, and during that time I became a pretty good jumper."


I don’t think he was doing squats in his kitchen. He was a hard worker in the gym.

[L.Kizzle]

Jimmy Butler is not even better than Alvin Robertson let alone the Glide.

[FKAri]

Here he is talking about it:




I don’t think he was doing squats in his kitchen. He was a hard worker in the gym.

Ya and Michael Jordan will tell you he got his height from hanging off of pull up bars. It's bullshit. More like Clyde went through puberty, noticed a significant increase in his vertical, and just happened to have started some kind of workout regimen at the same time.

[ClipperRevival]

I only now noticed the Clyde lifting argument. Clyde lifted weights. He was a hard worker far as maintaining his body. His hops came from working out not nature. He was like Steve Francis. A gym built athlete.

Are you suggesting that a player who has a 30 inch vertical can improve it to 40 inch if they put in the work? I hope not because vertical is mostly God given. Sure, you can make incremental improvements but like speed, it's mostly God given. Drexler was a athletic freak. You can't train what he was.

[Kblaze8855]

Can’t say. Just saying what he said. I’m certainly not gonna argue with Clyde about his own workouts and the results. Far as gym built athletic ability in general?

Dont know really. Read up on Herschel Walker and Steve Francis I’ll say.

[Jasper]

last time I looked Butler was never a top 50 all time or a 2 time ring holder.
OP needs some facts ---
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Drexler

[999Guy]

This has to be one of the worsr takes ever. I like jimmy but he's not as good as drexler. Butler is killing in an era where alot of guys are killing it. Fast pace, less physicality on defense and no down low rim protection.

This heat team is easily one of the worst finals teams ever. Just deal with it dude.

But they’re not all killing it. Your sense of what killing it means is just dumb and nonexistent.


In dumber words: 27 PPG is the new 20PPG. 62 TS% is the new 58 TS% and in a league where “everybody” puts up stats, that’s just means stats NEVER in NBA history perfectly measured actual game impact, and an offensive era where things are just too skillful and intelligent with all the spacing and shot selection is exposing this.


NBA fans have to stop being dumb and think they can look at PPG/RPG/APG and percentages and think they’re measuring players while ignoring styles, strengths, how they’re defended, their defense, their BBIQ.

Butler is actually very high level on strengths, BBIQ, styles effectiveness, defense and pretty much anything the box score can’t capture.

Butler’s a high level guy despite his weaknesses being perfectly exploited by Milwaukee with a clear injury on top of it.

[ImKobe]

last time I looked Butler was never a top 50 all time or a 2 time ring holder.
OP needs some facts ---
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Drexler

You listed his wiki but didn't even look at it :lol . Either way, he was as good as peak Butler on a team that actually won the championship with all-time great elimination games against Utah and a solid Finals series.

[TheCorporation]

You listed his wiki but didn't even look at it :lol . Either way, he was as good as peak Butler on a team that actually won the championship with all-time great elimination games against Utah and a solid Finals series.

Imagine Butler and Olajuwon. More than 1 chip for sure.

[ImKobe]

Imagine Butler and Olajuwon. More than 1 chip for sure.

I don't think Butler gets to the line as much in the 90s NBA and he's not good enough as a mid-range scorer to be an effective 20+ ppg scorer in that era, nor was he ever as athletic as Clyde. He'd be a great defensive player.

[RogueBorg]

last time I looked Butler was never a top 50 all time or a 2 time ring holder.
OP needs some facts ---
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Drexler

You didn't look very hard. Drexler made the NBA's Top 50 player list in 1997.

[CountDracula]

https://i.ibb.co/pXXjBnP/9-FF8-B869-C3-A1-4-F6-E-B190-7-A37-FEE635-D6.jpg (https://ibb.co/Svvw4Jx)

https://i.ibb.co/ZBhnvnP/83-D1465-E-40-EE-4553-9-D56-D54-E0-F060894.jpg (https://ibb.co/Cbnk4kZ)


https://i.ibb.co/JvCvJFn/C9-B21-C51-2-C63-4-AEB-9-E61-11-B129-B6-BF1-C.jpg (https://ibb.co/y6V6jB0)

[Real14]

:kobe:

[Jasper]

You listed his wiki but didn't even look at it :lol . Either way, he was as good as peak Butler on a team that actually won the championship with all-time great elimination games against Utah and a solid Finals series.

when 100 year anny occurs you think Butler will be on the list ??
If he never accomplishes anything he won't be on the list , even as a third option.
In this finals Bam was the guy, not Butler
Clyde is all ready there.

[Dbrog]

Dude Jimmy turned out to be more of a Bernard King. Gives you 50 one night and the next 17. Drex was much more consistent than that

[ArbitraryWater]

Dude Jimmy turned out to be more of a Bernard King. Gives you 50 one night and the next 17. Drex was much more consistent than that

yea, Drex gave you 17 every night. Amazing.

[1987_Lakers]

Dude Jimmy turned out to be more of a Bernard King. Gives you 50 one night and the next 17. Drex was much more consistent than that

Not really, look at his playoff averages in '90 & '91, in his prime. He wasn't exactly lighting it up for such a big name.

Jimmy Butler averaged more points in the playoffs than Drexler in '22 & '23 than any of Drexler's deep playoff runs.

[nineiron]

Not really, look at his playoff averages in '90 & '91, in his prime. He wasn't exactly lighting it up for such a big name.

Jimmy Butler averaged more points in the playoffs than Drexler in '22 & '23 than any of Drexler's deep playoff runs.

you want SO BAD for ppl to think Butler is better than Clyde. cuz in your little brain, you equate that to Lebron being better than MJ.

even if Butler is better than Clyde (which he isn't), LeRoid is still MILES beneath MJ.

[1987_Lakers]

you want SO BAD for ppl to think Butler is better than Clyde. cuz in your little brain, you equate that to Lebron being better than MJ.

even if Butler is better than Clyde (which he isn't), LeRoid is still MILES beneath MJ.

I just stated facts and this is your response? You seem triggered bro.

[PeroAntic]

Dude Jimmy turned out to be more of a Bernard King. Gives you 50 one night and the next 17. Drex was much more consistent than that
I see the ppg based evaluations are back

[KNOW1EDGE]

Lol no he is not.

Are you 14 years old?

[L.Kizzle]

87 Lakers made another thread about Jimmy and Clyde.
Make one about Jimmy and Reggie. That is a better comparison.

[houston]

Not true

[L.Kizzle]

Yeah, that's definitely not a thing.
Not sure Jimmy has been an All-Star since the thread was made.
Clyde also isn't a headache to play with/for.

[PeroAntic]

Jimmy is still better despite goldfish memory around casuals here.