MJ won 6 rings in 3-pointer basketball, so how can lebron compare with only 4?

[3ball]

lebron won more conference finals, but winning the Finals is a bigger accopmplishment, and lebron needed to stack deck to win the conference finals

and longevity is a function of rules, aka mj wasn't allowed to go from mcdonald's all american to nba like lebron

[2ball]

Simple. Who was MJ’s toughest competition?

[8Ball]

LeBron has 16 straight All-NBA seasons.

More points. More rebounds. More assists.

Bigger, stronger, more versatile, better facilitator, better player system (LeBron-Ball).

Winning championships in 3 different cities. Each time he joined them they were lottery teams. Rebuilt 3 different franchises.

LeBron is literally God going from world to world and creating championship franchises.


Meanwhile Jordan flails out embarrassingly on the Washington Wizards, missing playoffs.

[1987_Lakers]

Correction, MJ won 4 rings with 3 point basketball. I'm not counting '96 & '97 due to WNBA 3 point line.

[Roundball_Rock]

Simple. Who was MJ’s toughest competition?

If Ewing retired three weeks before the season, how many games would the Knicks win with Starks as their #1 option? Or the Jazz with the same scenario with Malone, with Stockton becoming the #1 option? These teams were the Bulls' closest comp during the 90's.

[Mauzah]

Simple. Who was MJ’s toughest competition?

Pistons
Jazz
Knicks
Magic

Well, that was simple. Thanks for coming out.

[Trollsmasher]

Pistons
Jazz
Knicks
Magic

Well, that was simple. Thanks for coming out.

never beat prime Pistons

lost to Magic

Jazz and Knicks were one man teams (I don't consider Stockton to be a scoring option)

the Knicks' second option was a shitty Jeff Teague, the most overrated team of all time

[AlternativeAcc.]

Faced much better comp

Took zero breaks his whole career

Had injuries and horrible coaches throughout, and general bad luck


Lebrons 4 rings are worth far more than Jordan's rings and everyone knows that. That's why literally the only argument you fall back on is "more rings". The most unoriginal and unconvincing argument made popular by Kobe stans is your go-to. Congrats on your lack of credibility.

[3ball]

If Ewing retired three weeks before the season, how many games would the Knicks win with Starks as their #1 option? Or the Jazz with the same scenario with Malone, with Stockton becoming the #1 option? These teams were the Bulls' closest comp during the 90's.
the bulls were a 55-win team in 94' because they were 3-peat champs

no other reason

if you can't understand that, then you have no understanding of hoops and don"t ever think you do.. you can only look at historical data and don"t understand the game

89" bulls were a lottery cast that mj built into champions in 2 years.. he did this by catapulting a lottery cast to the cusp of the Finals in 1989 - lottery status to #1 contender, aka carry-job

[Mauzah]

never beat prime Pistons

lost to Magic

Jazz and Knicks were one man teams (I don't consider Stockton to be a scoring option)

the Knicks' second option was a shitty Jeff Teague, the most overrated team of all time

I had no idea that it was Jeff Teague all along that should be receiving the longevity award. Another loss for Lebron it seems.

[3ball]

Faced much better comp

Took zero breaks his whole career

Had injuries and horrible coaches throughout, and general bad luck


Lebrons 4 rings are worth far more than Jordan's rings and everyone knows that. That's why literally the only argument you fall back on is "more rings". The most unoriginal and unconvincing argument made popular by Kobe stans is your go-to. Congrats on your lack of credibility.

lebron would have 4 Finals appearances if he played out west for his entire career

so his path was easier due to free Finals trips from the East

ultimately, lebron didn't start making a bunch of Finals until "the decision" formed a strong cast on a conference that weak teams were routinely winning (stacked deck)

Finally, lebron only faced tough Finals comp in 17 and 18', when he did the worst possible (record loss, while AD and others were far more competitive vs KD warriors).. the Cavs were actually favored over the Curry Warriors in 15' before the Love injury

btw, the comp argument is bogus because lebron routinely underperforms the regular season (50-something wins with a Big 3 super-team), which makes him an underdog to teams that win 60+ like he is supposed to.. so "comp" is a complete bs, FRAUDULENT argument

[red1]

no pip. no chip.



mj has dropped in my rankings after reading your posts and after you proved that pippen was the true leader of the team. you revealed that pippen led the bulls to 55-wins the next season without mj. pippen used his superior system and ball movement to lead them to the 2nd round as well.



mj dropped from undisputed #1 to now a shaky 1.b.



he'd have to win a ring without pippen to get that #1 spot back.



he just hasn't proven that he can win without pippen.

[8Ball]

Pippen-Ball = 55 wins without Jordan.

Jordan never won 55 games without Pippen.

[3ball]

never beat prime Pistons




^^^ a myth

isiah/dumars/rodman were 29/27/29 when mj beat them

garnett/allen/pierce were 35/36/33 when LeFraud beat them

so you"re just crazy biased and ignore obvious facts






Jazz and Knicks were one man teams (I don't consider Stockton to be a scoring option)



bulls were the definition of 1-man team - mj averaged 33.5 for his playoff career and everyone else 17 or less

Ewing had a teammate outplay Pippen in the 89' ecsf, 92' ecsf, and 96' ecsf... but lost all three

[3ball]

Pippen-Ball = 55 wins without Jordan.

Jordan never won 55 games without Pippen.

pippen enhances MJ's case but you dropouts are too dumb to realize it

anyone would've won with the goat in a 2-star vs. 2-star format like the 90's

[1987_Lakers]

^^^ a myth

isiah/dumars/rodman were 29/27/29 when mj beat them



Pistons were a 50 win team in '91, in '92 they won 48 games and a first round exit.

[red1]

kobe won without shaq.


lebron won without wade.


jordan never won without pippen.





mj simply never proved that he could win without pippen.

[red1]

"Pippen was the true leader of the team. He was the full package." - Phil Jackson


"Micheal was a degenerate gambler and disgusting sociopath. He wouldn't be shit without pippen." - also Phil Jackson




there you have it 3ball. the writing is on the wall. :(

[Roundball_Rock]

he'd have to win a ring without pippen to get that #1 spot back.


he just hasn't proven that he can win without pippen.

Well, we know he didn't come close in Chicago and DC w/out Pippen. He hasn't come close in Charlotte either. His baseball teams were losers too.

Jordan is starting a NASCAR team. Maybe he can at least get out the first round in a third sport as a team owner. Would that count as winning without Pippen, in your book?

[red1]

Well, we know he didn't come close in Chicago and DC w/out Pippen. He hasn't come close in Charlotte either. His baseball teams were losers too.

Jordan is starting a NASCAR team. Maybe he can at least get out the first round in a third sport as a team owner. Would that count as winning without Pippen, in your book?

yup. not to mention the degenerate gambling and terrible fashion sense.


mj is top 2 all-time so he is definitely a massive winner and on mount rushmore.


I just wish mj stans would acknowledge that mj didnt win a single ring without pippen. not one. :D

[Roundball_Rock]

I just wish mj stans would acknowledge that mj didnt win a single ring without pippen. not one. :D

It is weird. MJ himself said it in his "documentary" and in his HOF speech.

I think they are insecure. LeBron will soon have 2 rings, 6 finals trips, 7 conference finals trips w/out Wade. Kareem had 1 ring, 2 finals, 5 conference finals w/out Magic. Compare that to Jordan w/out Pippen.

No one would care if they didn't make 6 rangz and 6-0 the basis of their case for MJ being GOAT.

[8Ball]

pippen enhances MJ's case but you dropouts are too dumb to realize it

anyone would've won with the goat in a 2-star vs. 2-star format like the 90's

Not against Dynasties. No Spurs. No Golden State. No prime lakers with Kareem in the 90s. No prime 80s Celtics in the 90s. No early 2000s Lakers.

Jordan stumbled upon a road in the 90s with zero pot holes. It's like playing this 2020 Heat team 6x in the finals. Job well done.

No 2016 73 win team to face.

[jlip]

Correction, MJ won 4 rings with 3 point basketball. I'm not counting '96 & '97 due to WNBA 3 point line.

^This^
I actually came to this thread to troll 3ball with this very response.

[3ball]

. It's like playing this 2020 Heat team 6x in the finals. Job well done.

No 2016 73 win team to face




Cavs were favored over curry's warriors in the 2015 preseason and pre-playoffs before the Love injury.. they fell to underdog in 2016 because they underperformed regular season.. you guys are liars and low character for using the comp excuse when lebron's teams become underdogs by shitting the bed in the regular season

he only faced good comp against the KD warriors, where lebron did the worst-possible (record loss).. everyone did better against the KD warriors (including AD's Pelicans)

[Manny98]

Because he beat better teams and has way better longevity

[3ball]

It is weird. MJ himself said it in his "documentary" and in his HOF speech.

I think they are insecure. LeBron will soon have 2 rings, 6 finals trips, 7 conference finals trips w/out Wade. Kareem had 1 ring, 2 finals, 5 conference finals w/out Magic. Compare that to Jordan w/out Pippen.

No one would care if they didn't make 6 rangz and 6-0 the basis of their case for MJ being GOAT.

lebron needed 2 pippens to win his first 3 rings (2 star teammates), and kareem wilt davis to win his 4th

so lebron had more help and never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, so he never had carry-jobs against good teams like MJ did all the time

pippen's Finals peak was 21 ppg... wade, Kyrie and AD's is 27-28... no comparison.. ultimately, mj didn't have a sidekick considered get FMVP, while everyone else did.. Pippen is 0/6 in fmvp's (19 on 42% in 6 Finals... 34 on 49% for mj)

[8Ball]

Cavs were favored over curry's warriors in the 2015 preseason and pre-playoffs before the Love injury.. they fell to underdog in 2016 because they underperformed regular season.. you guys are liars and low character for using the comp excuse when lebron's teams become underdogs by shitting the bed in the regular season

he only faced good comp against the KD warriors, where lebron did the worst-possible (record loss).. everyone did better against the KD warriors (including AD's Pelicans)

Jordan's record loss vs Celtics are even worst than LeBron vs 2017-2018 Warriors.

0 wins, 6 losses.

In modern 7 games series, we can translate that to 0 wins - 8 losses.

LeBron has a better record against KD warriors than Jordan did vs Bird celtics.

[3ball]

Jordan's record loss vs Celtics are even worst than LeBron vs 2017-2018 Warriors.

0 wins, 6 losses.

In modern 7 games series, we can translate that to 0 wins - 8 losses.

LeBron has a better record against KD warriors than Jordan did vs Bird celtics.

lebron was a high seed in 14' and 18', but lost worse than Jordan's 8 seed in 86'

so it's apples and oranges (high seed vs low seed), yet lebron still loses... I guess the real question is whether Jordan's 8 seed would beat lebron's high seed.. I think we both know the answer to that

[8Ball]

When was the last time Jordan faced a 67 win team in the finals? Never.

When Jordan went up against 67 win Celtics 1986 = swept.

LeBron faced 67 win team 2015, 2016, 2017.

Against 67 win teams, LeBron has 7 wins. Jordan has 0.

[3ball]

When was the last time Jordan faced a 67 win team in the finals? Never.

When Jordan went up against 67 win Celtics 1986 = swept.

LeBron faced 67 win team 2015, 2016, 2017.

Against 67 win teams, LeBron has 7 wins. Jordan has 0.

baron davis beat a 67-win team... Dwight beat 66 win team

so the regular season win argument is weak and doesn"t compare to mj"s case..

ultimately, mj beat four 60-win Finals teams vs 1 for lebron.. and overall, mj beat far more 50 and 60-win teams

[Roundball_Rock]

Pistons were a 50 win team in '91, in '92 they won 48 games and a first round exit.

And then 40 wins and missing the playoffs in 93', 20 wins in 94' in Zeke's last year. They were clearly out of gas prematurely.


Not against Dynasties. No Spurs. No Golden State. No prime lakers with Kareem in the 90s. No prime 80s Celtics in the 90s. No early 2000s Lakers.

Jordan stumbled upon a road in the 90s with zero pot holes. It's like playing this 2020 Heat team 6x in the finals. Job well done.

No 2016 73 win team to face.

According to MJ's own fans, the Bulls' were so stacked relative to the league that with a scrub replacing MJ the Bulls still had the best roster and should have won the chip w/out him. That is from MJ fans. :oldlol: So how is any team going to beat that team with MJ added to it?

[8Ball]

lebron was a high seed in 14' and 18', but lost worse than Jordan's 8 seed in 86'

so it's apples and oranges (high seed vs low seed), yet lebron still loses... I guess the real question is whether Jordan's 8 seed would beat lebron's high seed.. I think we both know the answer to that

Wrong again.

2014 Heat = 54 wins. Spurs had 62 wins.

2018 Cavs = 50 wins. Golden State 58 wins.

[8Ball]

baron davis beat a 67-win team... Dwight beat 66 win team

so the regular season win argument is weak and doesn"t compare to mj"s case..

ultimately, mj beat four 60-win Finals teams vs 1 for lebron

Baron Davis 4 wins vs 67 win team.

Jordan 0 wins vs 67 win team.

LeBron 7 wins vs 67 win team.

[Manny98]

GOAT

https://i.postimg.cc/653kyqXS/be0f383.jpg

[3ball]

Wrong again.

2014 Heat = 54 wins. Spurs had 62 wins.

2018 Cavs = 50 wins. Golden State 58 wins.

^^^ so a small gap in wins, yet record loss... a greater loss then the 86' bulls (30 wins) vs Celts (67 wins)

again, lebron's high seeds lost by record amount, while MJ's 8 seed lost by less

[8Ball]

And then 40 wins and missing the playoffs in 93', 20 wins in 94' in Zeke's last year. They were clearly out of gas prematurely.



According to MJ's own fans, the Bulls' were so stacked relative to the league that with a scrub replacing MJ the Bulls still had the best roster and should have won the chip w/out him. That is from MJ fans. :oldlol: So how is any team going to beat that team with MJ added to it?

Correct.

This is why everyone respects the 80s teams. Stacked from head to toe. Was a blood bath of high level dynasties going at it at multiple final runs. The 80s was the golden age of finals competition. Same with the 2010s, LeBron Heat / LeBron Cavs vs Dynasty Spurs and Warriors.

- Bird Celtics
- early 80s Philly with Moses and Dr. J
- Magic and Kareem
- Peak Detroit


Meanwhile in the 90s.... Barkley? Discount Klay Thompson? Clyde Drexler (Carmelo Anthony)? 1 man team Embiid (Ewing)? Like WTF is going on here in the 90s.

ZERO dynasties except the Bulls. Meanwhile the 2000s and Shaq Lakers and Spurs dynasty. 2010s and Warriors for half a decade.

[3ball]

GOAT

https://i.postimg.cc/653kyqXS/be0f383.jpg

lebron produces less per game than Jordan, so he wins less games... :confusedshrug:

lebron has lower overall production rate, aka BPM, PER, WS/48, PPG, VORP seasons

higher production rate = more winning... who cares about longevity because mj wasn't allowed to go from mcdonald's all-american to pros like lebron

[8Ball]

^^^ so a small gap in wins, yet record loss... a greater loss then the 86' bulls (30 wins) vs Celts (67 wins)

again, lebron's high seeds lost by record amount, while MJ's 8 seed lost by less

MJ's garbage regular season play = 8 seed = swept by 67 win team.

Amazing accomplishment for Jordan to make the 8 seed. Like laugh my ass off.

Luka > Jordan. 2nd year Luka is already leading teams to higher than 8 seeds.

[3ball]

MJ's garbage regular season play = 8 seed = swept by 67 win team.

Jordan's 8 seed lost by less than lebron's 2 seed

so mj is better

[RRR3]

Because he beat better teams and has way better longevity
Where’s that avatar bitch?

[8Ball]

Jordan's 8 seed lost by less than lebron's 2 seed

so mj is better

Lol. Being proud of your boy for being the 8th seed. The standards have lowered for Jordan.

[2ball]

lebron produces less per game than Jordan, so he wins less games... :confusedshrug:

lebron has lower overall production rate, aka BPM, PER, WS/48, PPG, VORP seasons

higher production rate = more winning... who cares about longevity because mj wasn't allowed to go from mcdonald's all-american to pros like lebron

Your per game analysis is pure shit because a player can play play two games and average 50pts/50reb/50ast

[2ball]

OP’s argument basically penalizes LeBron because of his longevity

[3ball]

Lol. Being proud of your boy for being the 8th seed. The standards have lowered for Jordan.

lebron failed to achieve the 8 seed in 04', 05', and 19' dumbass

so he never had low seeds/bad teams in the playoffs - he only had developed, high seeds in the playoffs...

aka lebron missed the 05' playoffs despite having the East all-star center on his team.. he made it in 06' by adding the future COY and a 22/5/5 all-defender (top 5 team defense)

[red1]

lebron failed to achieve the 8 seed in 04', 05', and 19' dumbass

so he never had low seeds/bad teams in the playoffs - he only had developed, high seeds in the playoffs...

aka lebron missed the 05' playoffs despite having the East all-star center on his team.. he made it in 06' by adding the future COY and a 22/5/5 all-defender (top 5 team defense)

what was mj's record without pippen?

[3ball]

what was mj's record without pippen?


Pippen vs 89' and 90' Pistons in playoffs

13 on 41%

^^^^ yet mj was 5-8 vs Pistons while the league was 2-22


Pippen was MIA a lot, so MJ's record was superb

pippen was MIA in 4 Finals (45% true shooting in 93' and let Dumas go off)

[FKAri]

Pippen vs 89' and 90' Pistons in playoffs

13 on 41%

^^^^ yet mj was 5-8 vs Pistons while the league was 2-22


Pippen was MIA a lot, so MJ's record was superb

pippen was MIA in 4 Finals (45% true shooting in 93' and let Dumas go off)

What a long winded way of saying 1-9.

[red1]

What a long winded way of saying 1-9.

and 0 rings. :oldlol:




0 rings without pippen.

[FKAri]

and 0 rings. :oldlol:




0 rings without pippen.

Whoa. Whoa. Rings? Slow down man. We're talking about a guy who was getting blasted in the 1st round. Nigguh only dipped his toes in the water and an eel went up his ass.

[3ball]

What a long winded way of saying 1-9.

what was lebron's playoff record before he stole Hughes from Arenas in 06'?

(Hughes averaged 23 ppg to help Arenas win the 1st round in 05' but then lebron stole Hughes from Arenas..

Hughes was 22/5/5 and 1st team all defense in 05', aka peak Pippen.. so lebron always needed stars and has been stealing sidekicks and colluding since 06')

[2ball]

what was lebron's playoff record before he stole Hughes from Arenas in 06'?

(Hughes averaged 23 ppg to help Arenas win the 1st round in 05' but then lebron stole Hughes from Arenas..

Hughes was 22/5/5 and 1st team all defense in 05', aka peak Pippen.. so lebron always needed stars and has been stealing sidekicks and colluding since 06')
MJ had two 20ppg sidekicks in 86. What’s his excuse?

[3ball]

MJ had two 20ppg sidekicks in 86. What’s his excuse?

lebron played a conference that 1-star teams were routinely winning, while mj played in a conference that required many HOF's and a historic team to win

indeed, Pippen was lucky to come along in the 90"s when 1 and 2 star contenders were the norm (parity.. evenly spread talent).. obviously, the goat wins with anyone in as 2-star vs 2-star format

[red1]

whats your new top 15 3ball?


I remember you had kg dirk and moses malone above leGOAT?

[And1AllDay]

Simple. Who was MJ’s toughest competition?

:oldlol:

Thread enderrrr

[SouBeachTalents]

whats your new top 15 3ball?


I remember you had kg dirk and moses malone above leGOAT?
Watch even with a 4th title/FMVP he still leaves him out of the top 10 :lol

[And1AllDay]

Mikes the only top 10 with small finals (6) and three 1st rd exits

his career is dependant on scottie.

only won fmvp with 1 team

Kawhi, kareem, bran= multiple team fmvp

[3ball]

whats your new top 15 3ball?


I remember you had kg dirk and moses malone above leGOAT?
lebron without collusion = prime dr j

mj
wilt
kareem
bird
russell
kobe
shaq
hakeem
duncan
magic
dr. j
lebron
kd
wade
AD

[red1]

Watch even with a 4th title/FMVP he still leaves him out of the top 10 :lol

we've formally defeated him. Im accepting a surrender treaty from him on Friday.



3ball told me he would bend the knee if lebron won another ring, leading a third franchise to a ring. its starting to get ridiculous arguing not top-5.


https://historyinorbit.com/content/73896/687cd083912938249bd08f66425ef3dd.jpg

[red1]

lebron without collusion = prime dr j

mj
wilt
kareem
bird
russell
kobe
shaq
hakeem
duncan
magic
dr. j
lebron
kd
wade
AD

great.



now whats your ranking after ring #4?

[highwhey]

Pippen-Ball = 55 wins without Jordan.

Jordan never won 55 games without Pippen.

:lebronamazed:

[RRR3]

I can’t wait to bully 3bitch Friday. How about you Red?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

kobe won without shaq.


lebron won without wade.


jordan never won without pippen.





mj simply never proved that he could win without pippen.

And kawhi won without Duncan. Even though Duncan was washed up and averaged 12PPG in the 3 straight finals wins.

Kawhi's 1 ring with Lowry = 6 rings with Pippen or AD

Lowry when he was with Memphis doing nothing but eating donuts or with raptors choking every year. Fat flopping midget, rich man's version of Marcus Smart hahaha GOAT ring for Kawhi

[3ball]

we've formally defeated him. Im accepting a surrender treaty from him on Friday.



3ball told me he would bend the knee if lebron won another ring, leading a third franchise to a ring. its starting to get ridiculous arguing not top-5.


https://historyinorbit.com/content/73896/687cd083912938249bd08f66425ef3dd.jpg

4 rings means nothing if you cheated

if your path is the equivalent of mj teaming up with bird/drexler... and then Kemp/Payton... and then Wilt

then your rings don"t count because you cheated

[RRR3]

And kawhi won without Duncan. Even though Duncan was washed up and averaged 12PPG in the 3 straight finals wins.

Kawhi's 1 ring with Lowry = 6 rings with Pippen or AD

Lowry when he was with Memphis doing nothing but eating donuts or with raptors choking every year. Fat flopping midget rich man's version of Marcus Smart hahaha GOAT ring for Kawhi
This thread is about top 5 players like LeBron and Jordan not borderline top 75 players like KaChoke. Thanks.

[SouBeachTalents]

And kawhi won without Duncan. Even though Duncan was washed up and averaged 12PPG in the 3 straight finals wins.

Kawhi's 1 ring with Lowry = 6 rings with Pippen or AD

Lowry when he was with Memphis doing nothing but eating donuts or with raptors choking every year. Fat flopping midget, rich man's version of Marcus Smart hahaha GOAT ring for Kawhi
Lowry won more regular season games and led his team just as far into the playoffs as Kawhi did this year. And unlike Kawhi they actually almost won Game 7

[red1]

I can’t wait to bully 3bitch Friday. How about you Red?

Im tearing that azz up



https://media.giphy.com/media/H89gy9BqKv8D6/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/H89gy9BqKv8D6/giphy.gif

[red1]

And kawhi won without Duncan. Even though Duncan was washed up and averaged 12PPG in the 3 straight finals wins.

Kawhi's 1 ring with Lowry = 6 rings with Pippen or AD

Lowry when he was with Memphis doing nothing but eating donuts or with raptors choking every year. Fat flopping midget, rich man's version of Marcus Smart hahaha GOAT ring for Kawhi

lowry was the leader of the team last year and never choked a 3-1 lead :no:



guaranteed the clippers dont choke a 3-1 lead with lowry on the team :no:

[red1]

4 rings means nothing if you cheated

if your path is the equivalent of mj teaming up with bird/drexler... and then Kemp/Payton... and then Wilt

then your rings don"t count because you cheated

bring me those tender cheeks


I win - top-5 on even the worst haters list :roll:

https://media.giphy.com/media/H89gy9BqKv8D6/giphy.gif

[And1AllDay]

bran is what mike stans thought mike was

bran is the greatest dominating champ

mike relied on weak era and strong teammate too much

[HoopsNY]

Pistons were a 50 win team in '91, in '92 they won 48 games and a first round exit.

With their best player missing 34 games. The Pistons were 31-17 with Isiah (.646%) and 19-15 without him (.559%). Not to mention, that 1990-91 Bulls team would have most likely beaten the 1989-90 Pistons team. They were that good.


If Ewing retired three weeks before the season, how many games would the Knicks win with Starks as their #1 option? Or the Jazz with the same scenario with Malone, with Stockton becoming the #1 option? These teams were the Bulls' closest comp during the 90's.

That's one way of looking at it. Here is another, perhaps you're giving less credit to MJ than you realize. Pippen wasn't an All-Star or All-NBA in 1991, yet the Bulls won 61 games on route to massacring LA.

And if MJ is there in 1994 and not Pippen, how do the Bulls perform? I think they win more than 55 games and beat the Knicks to go to the finals to face the Rockets. I don't think they beat Hakeem, though :D Okay, maybe it is possible they beat Houston in 1994 with MJ and no Pippen, but you get the idea here.

Also, Mj had a 56 win pace without Pippen in 1998, played with an injured Pippen in the finals of 1993, 1996, and 1998, where Pippen underperformed offensively, yet the Bulls still won in those finals. Two of those finals, Pippen averaged a little over 15 a game. Yet none of those series went 7 games.

So yea, did the Bulls have a solid team? Sure. But that doesn't make the rings any less impressive, especially when in half of those finals, MJ was carrying the load and still went 3-0.

[3ball]

bran is what mike stans thought mike was

bran is the greatest dominating champ

mike relied on weak era and strong teammate too much

the stats show that today is the most cupcake, easy-scoring era of all time

and lebron needed 2 Pippens to win 3 rings (2 stars), and wilt chamberlain to win his 4th

otoh, Pippen averaged 19 on 42% in 6 Finals... 17 on 41% in the 96-98' playoffs... 12 on 42% vs 88-90' Pistons... and on.. and on... and on... his poor stats are ENDLESS

[light]

lebron won more conference finals, but winning the Finals is a bigger accopmplishment, and lebron needed to stack deck to win the conference finals

and longevity is a function of rules, aka mj wasn't allowed to go from mcdonald's all american to nba like lebron

Technically MJ only won 4 rings in "3-pointer basketball", just like LeBron.

Jordan won 2 rings in seasons where midrange jumpers were counted as threes.

MJ actually was allowed to go from high school to the NBA, he just wasn't good enough.

[2ball]

How many rings did MJ win in the legal zone era?

[1987_Lakers]

With their best player missing 34 games. The Pistons were 31-17 with Isiah (.646%) and 19-15 without him (.559%). Not to mention, that 1990-91 Bulls team would have most likely beaten the 1989-90 Pistons team. They were that good.



That's one way of looking at it. Here is another, perhaps you're giving less credit to MJ than you realize. Pippen wasn't an All-Star or All-NBA in 1991, yet the Bulls won 61 games on route to massacring LA.

And if MJ is there in 1994 and not Pippen, how do the Bulls perform? I think they win more than 55 games and beat the Knicks to go to the finals to face the Rockets. I don't think they beat Hakeem, though :D Okay, maybe it is possible they beat Houston in 1994 with MJ and no Pippen, but you get the idea here.

Also, Mj had a 56 win pace without Pippen in 1998, played with an injured Pippen in the finals of 1993, 1996, and 1998, where Pippen underperformed offensively, yet the Bulls still won in those finals. Two of those finals, Pippen averaged a little over 15 a game. Yet none of those series went 7 games.

So yea, did the Bulls have a solid team? Sure. But that doesn't make the rings any less impressive, especially when in half of those finals, MJ was carrying the load and still went 3-0.

64% with Isiah is equivalent to a 53 win team, they won 59 games the year prior in 1990. Why did they win only 48 games in '92 when Isiah, Dumars, & Rodman were all still in their prime? I know Laimbeer got old, but Laimbeer was already regressing as a player in 1990.

[3ball]

How many rings did MJ win in the legal zone era?

there's no such thing

zone isn't allowed in the paint, where defenders must stay within "armslength" of their man - that's the opposite of a zone and the strictest defense possible outside of requiring defenders to stay shoulder-to-shoulder with their man

the only true zone is in college, where mj won the title and POY over Hakeem

[Shooter]

Technically MJ only won 4 rings in "3-pointer basketball", just like LeBron.

Jordan won 2 rings in seasons where midrange jumpers were counted as threes.

MJ actually was allowed to go from high school to the NBA, he just wasn't good enough.

Talk about a fu**ing ether

[1987_Lakers]

the only true zone is in college, where mj won the title

Sidekick champion, Worthy was NC's best player.

[HoopsNY]

64% with Isiah is equivalent to a 53 win team, they won 59 games the year prior in 1990. Why did they win only 48 games in '92 when Isiah, Dumars, & Rodman were all still in their prime? I know Laimbeer got old, but Laimbeer was already regressing as a player in 1990.

My contention isn't with 1992, though. The point is that they had a significantly higher win percentage with Isiah as opposed to without him in 1991. And it's a little bit disingenuous to highlight a 50 win total without factoring the missed playing time.

I think what's more telling is how to view the 1991 Bulls vs the 1990 Pistons. IMHO, that Bulls team beats the '90 Pistons, let alone the '91 team who they did beat.

And 59 to 53 wins can happen with championship teams. It can be difficult to repeat such ceilings and is not very uncommon that teams drop off in win totals historically. Consider the following with championship teams.

'00 Lakers: 67 wins
'01 Lakers: 56 wins

'92 Bulls: 67 wins
'93 Bulls: 57 wins

'17 Warriors: 67 wins
'18 Warriors: 58 wins

'86 Celtics: 67 wins
'87 Celtics: 59 wins

'07 Celtics: 66 wins
'08 Celtics: 62 wins

'09 Lakers: 65 wins
'10 Lakers: 57 wins

[TheCorporation]

Technically MJ only won 4 rings in "3-pointer basketball", just like LeBron.

Jordan won 2 rings in seasons where midrange jumpers were counted as threes.

MJ actually was allowed to go from high school to the NBA, he just wasn't good enough.

Shut it down

LeGoat = Modern Goat

[Axe]

Lol you got the '09 lakers wrong.

[HoopsNY]

Lol you got the '09 lakers wrong.

You're right, they won 65 games. My bad.

[Axe]

You're right, they won 65 games. My bad.
You don't have to worry about it.

[AintNoSunshine]

What has Jordan accomplished before he lucked into the PERFECT situation? He was a career loser who can't even get out of the first round let alone getting to the finals, then he got the GOAT coach and GOAT rebounder and GOAT sidekick who is also one of the best playmakers and best defender in NBA history, he also has one of the best 3 point shooter in Kerr and the 6th man of the year. My god, give me Durant and Kobe and the same thing would have happen.

All he has to do is score and he's proven he can't carry a team like Bron can, lead the team in points, rebound, assist regularly, win titles in different situations. They are not close as an overall package, yes pun intended too. Bron has proven he can win in different situations, actually, wherever he goes championship follows. MJ haven't proved that and I don't believe he can, because he has achieved nothing both before and after having the GOAT coach and GOAT sidekick at the same time!

[Axe]

A team can't establish itself as a dynasty if it doesn't have the right pieces. So by that logic, this means tim duncan is also lame for not playing and winning a championship with a team not named the san antonio spurs.

[kawhileonard2]

Actually the only titles that matter are the ones you win for the franchise that you were drafted to as long as you stick with that franchise without joining forces with someone who won as the man. Thus Lebron has 0 titles.

[red1]

Actually the only titles that matter are the ones you win for the franchise that you were drafted to as long as you stick with that franchise without joining forces with someone who won as the man. Thus Lebron has 0 titles.

the cavs won a ring you retard - even with your shitty logic you still fail :oldlol:

[NBAGOAT]

Actually the only titles that matter are the ones you win for the franchise that you were drafted to as long as you stick with that franchise without joining forces with someone who won as the man. Thus Lebron has 0 titles.

so you have 0 too lol. before you mention kawhi winning in 14, by your own criteria you said a title won with someone as the man doesnt count and duncan/parker both had fmvps

[kawhileonard2]

the cavs won a ring you retard - even with your shitty logic you still fail :oldlol:

He Left the squad. He didn't stick with them. Kyrie stuck with them.

[Axe]

Actually the only titles that matter are the ones you win for the franchise that you were drafted to as long as you stick with that franchise without joining forces with someone who won as the man. Thus Lebron has 0 titles.
Kawhi was drafted by the indiana pacers, a team still ringless until now.

[kawhileonard2]

so you have 0 too lol. before you mention kawhi winning in 14, by your own criteria you said a title won with someone as the man doesnt count and duncan/parker both had fmvps

Kawhi 2014 did.

[1987_Lakers]

Actually the only titles that matter are the ones you win for the franchise that you were drafted to as long as you stick with that franchise without joining forces with someone who won as the man. Thus Lebron has 0 titles.

This has to be one of the dumbest things I've seen posted on this site.

So Shaq's championships don't count? What Kareem did with the Lakers gets ignored? GTFO.:oldlol:

[3ball]

This has to be one of the dumbest things I've seen posted on this site.

So Shaq's championships don't count? What Kareem did with the Lakers gets ignored? GTFO.:oldlol:

I think the point is that how much respect would MJ get if he team-hopped around and played with all the league's best 1st options...

it would be a joke, yet people act like this is completely normal for lebron and act like its equal to what jordan did

jordan won with a true 2nd option that peaked at 21 ppg in the Finals... lebron's rings don't compare (his sidekicks peak at nearly 30 in the Finals and he had 2 stars for his 3 rings)

[Axe]

I think the point is that how much respect would MJ get if he team-hopped around and played with all the league's best 1st options...

it would be a joke, yet people act like this is completely normal for lebron and act like its equal to what jordan did

jordan won with a true 2nd option that peaked at 21 ppg in the Finals... lebron's rings don't compare (his sidekicks peak at nearly 30 in the Finals and he had 2 stars for his 3 rings)
How 'bout he got them all six in a weak, watered down era?

[8Ball]

Jordan won 0 rings in the dynasty era of the 80s.

A bunch of 2020 Miami Heat teams in the finals as competition in the 90s.

No other team in the finals won 67 wins in the 90s.

[1987_Lakers]

I think the point is that how much respect would MJ get if he team-hopped around and played with all the league's best 1st options...

it would be a joke, yet people act like this is completely normal for lebron and act like its equal to what jordan did

jordan won with a true 2nd option that peaked at 21 ppg in the Finals... lebron's rings don't compare (his sidekicks peak at nearly 30 in the Finals and he had 2 stars for his 3 rings)

Only difference is LeBron played in an era of super teams, The Celtics formed a super team before LeBron did, the Warriors formed one with KD joining, hell OKC had 3 future MVPs and LeBron still beat them.

Put MJ's best teams in the 80's and no way in hell is he coming out with 6 chips. The fact that LeBron has 4 chips in the super team era and counting is remarkable. :bowdown:

[1987_Lakers]

How 'bout he got them all six in a weak, watered down era?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p57WjbKSoJ0

[kawhileonard2]

Only difference is LeBron played in an era of super teams, The Celtics formed a super team before LeBron did, the Warriors formed one with KD joining, hell OKC had 3 future MVPs and LeBron still beat them.

Put MJ's best teams in the 80's and no way in hell is he coming out with 6 chips. The fact that LeBron has 4 chips in the super team era and counting is remarkable. :bowdown:

Lebron's team were preseason favorites every year from 2011-2016 (even in 2016 Cavs were favorite) https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_preseason_odds.html, https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_preseason_odds.html. Warriors came out of no where to become great. Spurs hadn't won anything in 7 years and they had same stars and old as dirt and ran Lebron off the court. From 2015 forward It was supposed to be the Cavs and Warriors took there glory from them. Jordan any year he was favorite won each time.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2008_preseason_odds.html (Boston 5th :o )

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2003_preseason_odds.html (Spurs 4th)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1995_preseason_odds.html (Rockets 2nd)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2004_preseason_odds.html (Pistons 7th)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_preseason_odds.html (Dallas 7th)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_preseason_odds.html (San Antonio 6th)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_preseason_odds.html (Golden State 8th)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_preseason_odds.html (Raptors 5th)

2011, 2014 and 2015 teams had the highest rating of 6th to win title and they all beat Lebron in the finals. When Lebron was predicted 1st to win title.

[3ball]

Jordan won 0 rings in the dynasty era of the 80s.

A bunch of 2020 Miami Heat teams in the finals as competition in the 90s.l

No other team in the finals won wins in the 90s.
butler is averaging 27 and his 2nd option is at 17... 3rd option at 12

so exactly like the 90's bulls except Mike averaged 33.5 in the playoffs, so he carried a bigger load than jimmy... mj won 6 carry-job rings (10-20 more than sidekick in every Finals)

[1987_Lakers]

Lebron's team were preseason favorites every year from 2011-2016 (even in 2016 Cavs were favorite) https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_preseason_odds.html, https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_preseason_odds.html. Warriors came out of no where to become great. Spurs hadn't won anything in 7 years and they had same stars and old as dirt and ran Lebron off the court. From 2015 forward It was supposed to be the Cavs and Warriors took there glory from them. Jordan any year he was favorite won each time.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2008_preseason_odds.html (Boston 5th :o )

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2003_preseason_odds.html (Spurs 4th)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1995_preseason_odds.html (Rockets 2nd)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2004_preseason_odds.html (Pistons 7th)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_preseason_odds.html (Dallas 7th)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_preseason_odds.html (San Antonio 6th)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_preseason_odds.html (Golden State 8th)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_preseason_odds.html (Raptors 5th)

2011, 2014 and 2015 teams had the highest rating of 6th to win title and they all beat Lebron in the finals. When Lebron was predicted 1st to win title.

Weren't the Cippers and Kawhi pre-season favorites this year? :roll:

[1987_Lakers]

butler is averaging 27 and his 2nd option is at 17... 3rd option at 12

so exactly like the 90's bulls except Mike averaged 33.5 in the playoffs, so he carried a bigger load than jimmy... mj won 6 carry-job rings (10-20 more than sidekick in every Finals)
Except prime Pippen is a tier above Jimmy Butler as a player.

[3ball]

Except prime Pippen is a tier above Jimmy Butler as a player.

lol no one believes that

pippen is the guy at 17.. mj averaged 34....aka 6 carry-job rings...

[kawhileonard2]

Weren't the Cippers and Kawhi pre-season favorites this year? :roll:

We didn't want to win a title for a franchise that never won because of Covid. We want it legit.

[And1AllDay]

Technically MJ only won 4 rings in "3-pointer basketball", just like LeBron.

Jordan won 2 rings in seasons where midrange jumpers were counted as threes.

MJ actually was allowed to go from high school to the NBA, he just wasn't good enough.

gottem

:oldlol:

[8Ball]

butler is averaging 27 and his 2nd option is at 17... 3rd option at 12

so exactly like the 90's bulls except Mike averaged 33.5 in the playoffs, so he carried a bigger load than jimmy... mj won 6 carry-job rings (10-20 more than sidekick in every Finals)

Bigger load my ass.

Jordan doesn’t lead his team in rebounds or assists. Jimmy is doing it all.

[1987_Lakers]

lol no one believes that

pippen is the guy at 17.. mj averaged 34....aka 6 carry-job rings...

If it helps you sleep at night. Has Butler ever even made an All-NBA 2nd team? We all know Pippen made All-NBA First Team 3 times.

[8Ball]

We didn't want to win a title for a franchise that never won because of Covid. We want it legit.

Says everything about #2.

No leadership.

[1987_Lakers]

We didn't want to win a title for a franchise that never won because of Covid. We want it legit.

We all know this is a lie. :roll:

[kawhileonard2]

We all know this is a lie. :roll:

No the league told us to make sure we don't play the Lakers, they wanted to bring the NBA back to glory because of what happened in January this year. They essentially wanted Lakers to win.

[HoopsNY]

What has Jordan accomplished before he lucked into the PERFECT situation? He was a career loser who can't even get out of the first round let alone getting to the finals, then he got the GOAT coach and GOAT rebounder and GOAT sidekick who is also one of the best playmakers and best defender in NBA history, he also has one of the best 3 point shooter in Kerr and the 6th man of the year. My god, give me Durant and Kobe and the same thing would have happen.

MJ got out of the 1st round with a rookie Pippen putting up 10 ppg in the Cavs series. Since when is a rookie putting up those numbers held in such high esteem? What kind of logic is this? You would have to apply this literally to every single all-time great that ever played. Look at the team Russell came into, with the reigning MVP and a contender.

Wilt played alongside Jerry West and about 7 other HOF'ers between the 76ers and LA.

Kareem won alongside Oscar Robertson and Dandridge, then has the luxury of playing alongside guys like Magic, Worthy, Cooper, McAdoo, Nixon, Wilkes, etc.

Kobe played with Shaq and Shaq with Kobe, and 3 peated with Phil Jackson's triangle offense.

Duncan with the Pop system.

LeBron with super-teams.

KG with Allen and Pierce.

Moses Malone with Dr. J, Toney, Jones, and Cheeks.

KD with a super-team in Golden State, a 73 win team.

I could go on, but why the obsession with discrediting MJ and his accomplishments, and none of the other all-time greats?


All he has to do is score and he's proven he can't carry a team like Bron can, lead the team in points, rebound, assist regularly, win titles in different situations. They are not close as an overall package, yes pun intended too. Bron has proven he can win in different situations, actually, wherever he goes championship follows. MJ haven't proved that and I don't believe he can, because he has achieved nothing both before and after having the GOAT coach and GOAT sidekick at the same time!


Carry a team like Bron? LeBron has a top 3 player in AD this year who also has the 3rd highest PER of all-time, had a former finals MVP and champion in D. Wade, and a sidekick in Kyrie Irving putting up 27 a game on high efficiency hitting the game winning shot of the finals.

It's either one of two things here; either you just hate MJ for your fandom or you must really hate guys like Wade, Kyrie, and AD.

[1987_Lakers]

Bigger load my ass.

Jordan doesn’t lead his team in rebounds or assists. Jimmy is doing it all.

:lol

[HoopsNY]

I think the point is that how much respect would MJ get if he team-hopped around and played with all the league's best 1st options...

it would be a joke, yet people act like this is completely normal for lebron and act like its equal to what jordan did

jordan won with a true 2nd option that peaked at 21 ppg in the Finals... lebron's rings don't compare (his sidekicks peak at nearly 30 in the Finals and he had 2 stars for his 3 rings)

For once I agree with you. If MJ upped and left the Bulls in the late 80s and said I want to play alongside Magic or join forces with the Detroit Pistons, he would have been shitted on by the very people here who act like LeBron is the golden child for the very same or at least similar moves.

[HoopsNY]

Only difference is LeBron played in an era of super teams, The Celtics formed a super team before LeBron did, the Warriors formed one with KD joining, hell OKC had 3 future MVPs and LeBron still beat them.

Put MJ's best teams in the 80's and no way in hell is he coming out with 6 chips. The fact that LeBron has 4 chips in the super team era and counting is remarkable. :bowdown:

Not a fair comparison at all. What super-teams are you referring to? A Celtics team in 2011? What super-teams were there then? The "big 3" were all pushing 35 years old and were clearly not the same team. And is Dallas suddenly a super-team? What super-teams were there in 2012 and 2013 when he won two rings?

[Kiddlovesnets]

Even with 7-8 titles Lebron cannot be compared to MJ, the latter has 100% winning percentage and 100% FMVP rate in all the Finals series he participated. To surpass MJ, a perfect finals winning percentage is a necessary condition.

[3ball]

.
Playoff Stats as #1 Option

92' LEWIS..... 28/4/4.. 57.0 ts.. 23.8 PER.. 0.177 ws.. 4.1 dbpm.. 2.6 obpm.. 6.8 bpm.. 0.9 vorp
94' PIPPEN... 23/8/5.. 52.1 ts.. 22.8 PER.. 0.149 ws.. 4.0 dbpm.. 1.6 obpm.. 5.6 bpm.. 0.7 vorp


^^^ this is why I always say everyone was better than Pippen - everyone simply played much better than him!!.. aka everyone's playoff peak was much better... aka Derrick Coleman, Reggie Lewis, KJ, and Chris Mullin, to name a few




If it helps you sleep at night. Has Butler ever even made an All-NBA 2nd team? We all know Pippen made All-NBA First Team 3 times.

the media gives accolades to the league champion - pippen"s weak stats were inflated by the winning spotlight

otoh, pippen's playoff capability and peak capability was........ literally nothing compared to Jimmy Butler, Kyrie, AD.... basically EVERYONE... see Reggie Lewis above

[3ball]

For once I agree with you. If MJ upped and left the Bulls in the late 80s and said I want to play alongside Magic or join forces with the Detroit Pistons, he would have been shitted on by the very people here who act like LeBron is the golden child for the very same or at least similar moves.

dude STFU with the "for once I agree" bullshit

I don"t say outlandish things... the majority of my posts are supported by stats and historical fact.

you guys just don"t know shit about basketball because you never played..

and you're insecure so you go along with people claiming I'm outlandish... but it's bullshit.. I post factual shit

[Axe]

dude STFU with the "for once I agree" bullshit

I don"t say outlandish things... the majority of my posts are supported by stats and historical fact.

you guys just don"t know shit about basketball because you never played..

and you're insecure so you go along with people claiming I'm outlandish... but it's bullshit.. I post factual shit
3ball being pissed rn af :yaohappy:

[3ball]

3ball being pissed rn af :yaohappy:

it's like, I post some shit that has merit and get a bunch of 1-9 troll responses

trolling and 1-9 is all good, but don't turn around and then say I'M the outlandish one

[1987_Lakers]

dude STFU with the "for once I agree" bullshit

I don"t say outlandish things... the majority of my posts are supported by stats and historical fact.

you guys just don"t know shit about basketball because you never played..

and you're insecure so you go along with people claiming I'm outlandish... but it's bullshit.. I post factual shit

The pressure is getting to you. :oldlol:

[3ball]

The pressure is getting to yoclo. :oldlol:

yes fraud is very frustrating, especially when they get away with it

[2ball]

MJ was never capable of beating a 3 star format team with his own 2 star team. LeBron did that in 2016

[kawhileonard2]

MJ was never capable of beating a 3 star format team with his own 2 star team. LeBron did that in 2016
Golden State

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_preseason_odds.html
Lebron team the #1 preseason pick loses to the #7 preseason pick.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_preseason_odds.html
Cavs #1 Preseason Pick

Golden State a team built from within comes out of no where to beat a super team.

[1987_Lakers]

Golden State

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_preseason_odds.html
Lebron team the #1 preseason pick loses to the #7 preseason pick.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_preseason_odds.html
Cavs #1 Preseason Pick

Golden State a team built from within comes out of no where to beat a super team.

Cool, which team was the favorite before the Finals started?

[And1AllDay]

Cool, which team was the favorite before the Finals started?

right? :oldlol:

did this dude forget we get to see the games and teams for 82 games and a full playoffs of 3 series before the finals :oldlol: kids are too funny

[And1AllDay]

3ball being pissed rn af :yaohappy:

but thats just 3balls own alt he is arguing with :oldlol: we have seen it all on insidehoops

[And1AllDay]

MJ was never capable of beating a 3 star format team with his own 2 star team. LeBron did that in 2016

wait are you saying bran beat 3 all nbas with zero all nba teammates and mike never did that? has anyone else besides bran?

[Axe]

but thats just 3balls own alt he is arguing with :oldlol: we have seen it all on insidehoops
Ikr.

That dup used to stan baldan as well.

[And1AllDay]

Ikr.

That dup used to stan baldan as well.

3ball is dumb he always makes names that want to show support to mikes competition but then he always stans mike :oldlol: ez way to spot his alts

he made a shawn kemp name
hoops ny (to prop ewing?) but only talks about baldan
im sure next he will make a "karl malone" or "bad boi pistons" next

3balt is a retart of the highest orders I swear :oldlol:

he will be unhinged after friday night when we all toasting drinks and celebrating

[Axe]

3ball is dumb he always makes names that want to show support to mikes competition but then he always stans mike :oldlol: ez way to spot his alts

he made a shawn kemp name
hoops ny (to prop ewing?) but only talks about baldan

3balt is a retart of the highest orders I swear :oldlol:

he will be unhinged after friday night when we all toasting drinks and celebrating
Him and welfarefan lmao

[And1AllDay]

Him and welfarefan lmao

yep! and same with tim duncan21 and kawhileonard2 account

idiots :oldlol:

imagine making a kawhi leonarrd account in 2020 to poop on bran, thinking kawhi gon win da chip but...yikes :oldlol:

[8Ball]

dude STFU with the "for once I agree" bullshit

I don"t say outlandish things... the majority of my posts are supported by stats and historical fact.

you guys just don"t know shit about basketball because you never played..

and you're insecure so you go along with people claiming I'm outlandish... but it's bullshit.. I post factual shit

Jordan has 0 wins vs 67 win calibre teams. Swept.

Bron has 7 total wins against 67 win teams.

[Manny98]

Poor 3ball, LeBron surpassing his idol has caused him to have a literal mental breakdown :roll:

[red1]

We all know this is a lie. :roll:

they are absolutely pathetic. :oldlol:




these same clowns were saying the lakers are overrated trash that will lose in the first round - they just cant accept that lebron plus AD is an all-time GOAT duo. :oldlol:

[8Ball]

yes fraud is very frustrating, especially when they get away with it

Tell me how Bron is getting away with anything.

He joined Lakers when they were lottery basement dwelling team.

Traded for a bird fed (as you claim) AD.

[RRR3]

Poor 3ball, LeBron surpassing his idol has caused him to have a literal mental breakdown :roll:
Where’s that avatar? Have you no honor?

[Roundball_Rock]

Cool, which team was the favorite before the Finals started?

right? :oldlol:

did this dude forget we get to see the games and teams for 82 games and a full playoffs of 3 series before the finals :oldlol: kids are too funny


Poor 3ball, LeBron surpassing his idol has caused him to have a literal mental breakdown :roll:


they are absolutely pathetic. :oldlol:




these same clowns were saying the lakers are overrated trash that will lose in the first round - they just cant accept that lebron plus AD is an all-time GOAT duo.

:lol so much comedy in this thread and the Lakers have not even won yet. Can you imagine the meltdowns this weekend?

[Kiddlovesnets]

Well realistically, Lebron needs to focus on surpassing Kareem and Magic, who are still ahead of him right now.

[2ball]

Well realistically, Lebron needs to focus on surpassing Kareem and Magic, who are still ahead of him right now.

Realistically you should be worried about Kyrie fvcking up the nets

[dankok8]

Who cares about 3-pointer basketball... the objective GOAT is Bill Russell as much as people don't like it. And for all the criticism how he isn't a great scorer, a lot of players have since been in Russell's mold. Old Wilt, Walton, Unseld, Duncan, Garnett and all have had amazing team success. I don't think it's a coincidence. Maybe a big giving you ~20 ppg with GOAT rebounding, GOAT defense, and GOAT playmaking is literally the best type of player to build a title team around. Maybe...

[light]

Well realistically, Lebron needs to focus on surpassing Kareem and Magic, who are still ahead of him right now.

He passed them ages ago.

Greatness level is not determined by ring count. Like LeBron today, Jordan was also considered the GOAT when he only had 3 rings.

Anything after that was gravy.

But LeBron's first 3 rings were more impressive than Jordan's first 3 rings. In fact, LeBron's first three rings were more impressive than all of Jordan's rings.

LeBron's comebacks against the Spurs in 2013 and Warriors in 2016 are more legendary than anything Jordan had ever done in the finals.

[HoopsNY]

dude STFU with the "for once I agree" bullshit

I don"t say outlandish things... the majority of my posts are supported by stats and historical fact.

you guys just don"t know shit about basketball because you never played..

and you're insecure so you go along with people claiming I'm outlandish... but it's bullshit.. I post factual shit

Damn, looks like I hit a nerve for just having an opinion, lol.

[HoopsNY]

3ball is dumb he always makes names that want to show support to mikes competition but then he always stans mike :oldlol: ez way to spot his alts

he made a shawn kemp name
hoops ny (to prop ewing?) but only talks about baldan
im sure next he will make a "karl malone" or "bad boi pistons" next

3balt is a retart of the highest orders I swear :oldlol:

he will be unhinged after friday night when we all toasting drinks and celebrating

For the love of God, I'm not 3ball.

[Shooter]

96 and 97 WNBA 3pt line dont cout homie :lol

MJ has 4 rings in modern 3 pointer basketball

Uh oh!!!

[Axe]

Damn, looks like I hit a nerve for just having an opinion, lol.
:roll: