Tired of the virus. Why not just lock down hardcore and be done with it?

[Walk on Water]

I was hearing on the news that we could still be in the same position one year from now and everyone will still be wearing masks. Well you know what? They said 2 weeks. Now it's 7 months. One year could turn into 3 to 5 years based on how we're going now. Who knows? Everything just seems so uncertain.

Why not just have a strict national lockdown once and for all? Just get it over with. 3 weeks, everyone stays in. Shut everything down. Have military bring food to you. Just for 2 to 3 weeks.

Then after that, it's over. Vaccine is coming too.

Yes it would suck during those 2 to 3 weeks, but at least we'd go back to normal and have freedom back. Why not? Italy did it. Now they're way better than us. What's the point of these half lockdowns? Do you guys really want this to go on for 2 more years?

[highwhey]

Welfarefan at again

[BigKobeFan]

Lets lock everyone down for a cold that has a death rate of 0.005

[Andrei89]

Police, doctors, firemen etc etc etc

They all have to be outside.

Then you have those that will defy the orders and still sneak out. The virus will then never die. It will probably go down to 2000 cases a day worldwide then once everyone is released we are back where we started.

At this point we will all get Covid 19 and that's how the virus will stop.

[jstern]

If you want a strict national lock down, Vote Biden. Wear your face masks.

https://foxwilmington.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/98007/biden-calls-for-nationwide-mask-mandate-scaled.jpg

He has the biggest mask of them all.

Just make sure not to shake people's hands and then touch your face mask.

[Walk on Water]

Police, doctors, firemen etc etc etc

They all have to be outside.

Then you have those that will defy the orders and still sneak out. The virus will then never die. It will probably go down to 2000 cases a day worldwide then once everyone is released we are back where we started.

At this point we will all get Covid 19 and that's how the virus will stop.


I don't think you're thinking about this correctly. Yes, fireman and others do have to be outside. But we still can do the best we can and seriously minimize it. Plus, we do have vaccines coming. So between vaccines and strict lockdowns, I think we can do better.

[n00bie]

I was hearing on the news that we could still be in the same position one year from now and everyone will still be wearing masks. Well you know what? They said 2 weeks. Now it's 7 months. One year could turn into 3 to 5 years based on how we're going now. Who knows? Everything just seems so uncertain.

Why not just have a strict national lockdown once and for all? Just get it over with. 3 weeks, everyone stays in. Shut everything down. Have military bring food to you. Just for 2 to 3 weeks.

Then after that, it's over. Vaccine is coming too.

Yes it would suck during those 2 to 3 weeks, but at least we'd go back to normal and have freedom back. Why not? Italy did it. Now they're way better than us. What's the point of these half lockdowns? Do you guys really want this to go on for 2 more years?

People can't even wear a mask for 15 minutes indoor without shooting a security guard. You think the govt can successfully impose a strict lockdown for 3 weeks? There'd be a civil war.

[Walk on Water]

Lets lock everyone down for a cold that has a death rate of 0.005


Where are you getting these numbers from? The bottomline is covid has killed way more many people than any year of the flu or cold. It's not even close.

[starface]

People can't even wear a mask for 15 minutes indoor without shooting a security guard. You think the govt can successfully impose a strict lockdown for 3 weeks? There'd be a civil war.



And why? Because half (or more) of the country would be dumb, fear-driven idiots cheering on the govt for “keeping us safe.”

Imagine STILL thinking covid is any different than the numerous flu mutations that have been sensationalized briefly the last 10 years. If you cant see YET that it’s all political, you are a low IQ idiot.

That means you.

And all the rest of you.

[Cleverness]

Because they don't work.


People can't even wear a mask for 15 minutes indoor without shooting a security guard. You think the govt can successfully impose a strict lockdown for 3 weeks? There'd be a civil war.

Not a single RCT that shows masks save lives. Not. A. Single. One.

Peru:
Strict, military enforced lockdowns
Mandatory masks nationwide
Mandatory face shields
#1 in COVID-19 deaths/capita

[Cleverness]

The virus will then never die. It will probably go down to 2000 cases a day worldwide then once everyone is released we are back where we started.

At this point we will all get Covid 19 and that's how the virus will stop.

Right. It's an endemic virus. Everyone knew this in early-March 2020 when we were still (somewhat) being guided by science and data. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1288604595107827713.html

Then quack Fauci and friends estimated 15-40% hospitalization rate from COVID. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?481119-New-York-Times-These-Places-Could-Run-Out-of-Hospital-Beds-as-Coronavirus-Spreads

Actual hospitalization rate ~1% per CDC numbers. We knew this in April when the hospitals were empty.

Operation 15 days to Flatten The Curve was a success (mainly because the virus infection hospitalization rate is on par with seasonal flu)

But then those in power wanted to stay in power, media kept the citizens terrified, the quack scientists in charge doubled down on their pseudoscience, western govts were scammed and followed the CCP playbook (link below) and the sheeples begged gov't to take more liberty away for longer. We sacrificed liberty and the pursuit of happiness from hundreds of millions for the illusion of "saving" 0.05% of the population (median age ~80 years old), while destroying millions of lives and killing hundreds of thousands more from lockdown.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/china-covid-lockdown-propaganda
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?485046-How-many-lives-has-Trump-s-Coronavirus-Team-saved

Today is Day 207 of 15 Days to Flatten The Curve. This charade ends when enough people wake up to the bullshit. Right now, the sheep are still scared, but once the media has something else to focus on (perhaps the post-election madness) things will start to get back to normal again.

[Cleverness]

For the advocates of using the gov't to force everyone to wear face diapers, please read http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14145367&viewfull=1#post14145367


February 27th, 2020

The director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has a simple message for Americans: No, you shouldn't be afraid.
(https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-27-20-intl-hnk/h_0a2607bada22056c9fd10010734a9e1e)

Houlahan: Should you wear a mask if you are healthy?

Redfield: No.

His answers were based on decades of science and data.

-----

July 14th, 2020

CDC calls on Americans to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 spread based on a case study (https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0714-americans-to-wear-masks.html)

Based a case study, CDC prescribes cloth face covering to "All Americans" to provide source control, but no mention of asymptomatics being a vector of transmission, which would go directly against what the WHO and & Dr. Fauci said himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0GFgDBpoF8&feature=youtu.be
https://twitter.com/HeckofaLiberal/status/1309557368401793025

One of the case studies is based on a hospital in Boston. The other is about two Missouri hair stylists who wore masks. This is the data they are basing their recommendation on. Typically we would ask for more evidence before we prescribe something indefinitely to an entire country.

-------

September 16th, 2020
(https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1306274937456529415?s=20)

Dr. Redfield says “I might even go so far as to say that this facemask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine,”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiKGfozUcAISs5q.jpg


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjhS_NBU8AAe4Ff?format=png&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjhSlluUYAAgqtA?format=jpg&name=small


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjhqoDyU4AAzDtD?format=jpg&name=medium

Uganda population: 42.72 million
Uganda COVID-19 deaths: 79

Must be their social distancing and proper face diaper attire (as seen in the last two photos above)

COVID-19 is a first world problem. A problem that exists in a tiny portion of the population (nursing homes & a select number of old, obese diabetics), but we all must share the pain and suffering for the illusion of saving them. (Except those in gov't. They're excluded from all the bullshit.)

[Cleverness]

For fans of using the gov't to lock people in their homes and force businesses to close, here's a good article published today written by Harvard epidemiologist Martin Kulldorff on the Great Barrington Declaration and why lockdown harms public health.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/10/09/lockdown-is-a-terrible-experiment/

[Cleverness]

For fans of science, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, consider signing The Great Barrington Declaration: https://gbdeclaration.org/

[diamenz]

For fans of using the gov't to lock people in their homes and force businesses to close, here's a good article published today written by Harvard epidemiologist Martin Kulldorff on the Great Barrington Declaration and why lockdown harms public health.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/10/09/lockdown-is-a-terrible-experiment/

:applause: this is very good read. this interview needs to be read by everyone - across the globe, imo. even if you don't agree with it (because you're locked in fear mode), how can you not entertain and respect the argument being made?

we are being fed day-to-day in-the-moment statistics and 'action' news that are causing fear & panic without taking a breath, sitting down, looking at the big picture and creating a sensible and realistic plan going forward.


"We are never going to get rid of Covid. It is going to be endemic, just like other coronaviruses."

[diamenz]

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that there have been 93,814 non-Covid “excess deaths” this year, including 42,427 from cardiovascular conditions, 10,686 from diabetes and 3,646 from cancer. Many are due to government shutdowns of non-essential medical care.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-covid-and-reason-11602026102

[n00bie]

And why? Because half (or more) of the country would be dumb, fear-driven idiots cheering on the govt for “keeping us safe.”

Imagine STILL thinking covid is any different than the numerous flu mutations that have been sensationalized briefly the last 10 years. If you cant see YET that it’s all political, you are a low IQ idiot.

That means you.

And all the rest of you.

I rest my case.

[starface]

I rest my case.


You went full chicken little and embarrassed yourself making a mountain out of a mole hill, and youre still looking for ways to make it seem like other people are the ones reacting the wrong way.

It’s you bro.

You were the fool here.

Have a bit of humility.

[KD7]

Why lockdown in the first place for a virus that has a 99.9% survival rate for under 65s?

Why not let people have the freedom of choice if they want to stay at home because they're worried about the virus and let those of us who just want to get on with our lives get on

The elderly are always going to be a risk factor every flu season, Corona is no different. People acting like dying from common respiratory illnesses is a new thing :lol

[starface]

Why lockdown in the first place for a virus that has a 99.9% survival rate for under 65s?

Why not let people have the freedom of choice if they want to stay at home because they're worried about the virus and let those of us who just want to get on with our lives get on


Because too many generic betas get to feel important for a minute if they trumpet this shit from a soapbox and make it seem like theyre saving people.

[n00bie]

You went full chicken little and embarrassed yourself making a mountain out of a mole hill, and youre still looking for ways to make it seem like other people are the ones reacting the wrong way.

It’s you bro.

You were the fool here.

Have a bit of humility.

My point is a strict lockdown would cause people to riot. You proved my point.

[starface]

My point is a strict lockdown would cause people to riot. You proved my point.

And my point is a strict lockdown would be political suicide, and therefore unlikely to be passed, if EVERYONE opposed it.

But in reality it IS politically feasible, sadly, because guys like you and a bunch of other betas would actually support it.

[n00bie]

And my point is a strict lockdown would be political suicide, and therefore unlikely to be passed, if EVERYONE opposed it.

But in reality it IS politically feasible, sadly, because guys like you and a bunch of other betas would actually support it.

So how am I wrong? All I said was there'd be a civil war if there was a strict lockdown for 3 weeks. Am I wrong? Would you not go batshit crazy and shot up the place if someone forced you to stay home for 3 weeks?

[starface]

So how am I wrong? All I said was there'd be a civil war if there was a strict lockdown for 3 weeks. Am I wrong? Would you not go batshit crazy and shot up the place if someone forced you to stay home for 3 weeks?



Im talking about your continuous overreaction from Day 1.

Thats what you were wrong about.

[Cleverness]

:applause: this is very good read. this interview needs to be read by everyone - across the globe, imo. even if you don't agree with it (because you're locked in fear mode), how can you not entertain and respect the argument being made?

we are being fed day-to-day in-the-moment statistics and 'action' news that are causing fear & panic without taking a breath, sitting down, looking at the big picture and creating a sensible and realistic plan going forward.

Thanks for reading. :cheers:

Here are two of my favorites this year

I posted this one in May: https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/22/nothing-can-justify-this-destruction-of-peoples-lives/

This one in August: https://www.aier.org/article/dont-live-your-life-in-a-bubble/

So good

[ZenMaster]

:applause: this is very good read. this interview needs to be read by everyone - across the globe, imo. even if you don't agree with it (because you're locked in fear mode), how can you not entertain and respect the argument being made?

we are being fed day-to-day in-the-moment statistics and 'action' news that are causing fear & panic without taking a breath, sitting down, looking at the big picture and creating a sensible and realistic plan going forward.

Cleverness did an excellent job posting about the big picture on almost a daily basis throughout this. But in some magic way, almost exclusively the people who now talk about voting for Biden kept saying how wrong he was, even starting to mock him for "fake numbers".
When they were called out for living in unnecessary fear, they'd say that they absolutely weren't, but that with an unknown virus you have to take major precautions no matter what. They were told by the media, twitter as a whole, celebs and their friends all the same - rationalizing the fear as normal.
They'd say they weren't blowing things out of proportion, but then go to a new thread and talk about the new spikes in cases and how it's all Trump or people who support Trump's fault.

As you mention, we were fed day-to-day action news, and still are. But there's another element to it and that is the suppression of information.
The same news stations decided to give no time for doctors and scientists who spoke against the narrative of the WHO and China.
If you tweeted information going against the narrative, they were removed, and still are by the way.
Same on facebook, doctors had their accounts suspended for spreading "fake information" going against the narrative - like the two doctors in California.
Same on reddit, the official covid thread there had the same message, saying that it's only allowed to share information that aligns with what is official.

The narrative from big tech on the left about the suppression of information, is that spreading said information will kill people - the ultimate shaming.

And also, as it was warned on here months ago as to what will happen, the mask has become a symbol of good and evil or smart and stupid. The good people being the ones who are smart and good to wear masks "because it works", vs the evil and dumb people "who doesn't care about anyone, and they're probably racist".

To me, what we've seen is that the information machine works, especially when you pull in the levers so there is both promotion of one side and suppression of another. Watching it unfold in a major way like this, with something that now has affected how we live and think about each other in such a great way, it's been one of the most depressing periods in my life.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfGAktuU93s&ab_channel=KevinJames

[Cleverness]

Thanks ZenMaster

I think even the smart people in that thread will eventually realize how wrong the television and gov't "experts" were for lockdowns, masks, forced business closures, etc

MaxFly started to realize it back in early May, laughing at the ridiculous measures taken by LA County
4Point is smart too. Eventually he'll learn that t cells, functioning immune systems, and herd-immunity/resistance aren't conspiracy theories.

It will probably turn out like the Russia Collusion conspiracy theory that was touted by mainstream media for ~3 years. We'll end up with people who actually believe the conspiracy, but evidence will show the conspiracy theorists were wrong in so many ways. But nobody will care/know and we'll move on to the next big story. One common excuse will be "well they didn't know at the time" but they did. The evidence and data was right in front of them before & after the hysteria and certainly crystal clear in April.

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1314948984243355651

Great Barrington Declaration is treated by mainstream media/big tech as if the epidemiologists at Harvard, Stanford, and Oxford are a group of conspiracy theorists / science deniers lol

[Axe]

Damn cleverness pawning op once again

[highwhey]

Damn cleverness pawning op once again

well he's replying to a blatantly obvious troll account....