What would be Prime Michael Jordan's stats in the zone defense era?

[Lebron23]

Here were his stats when he played for the Wizards. 21.2 ppg on 43.1 Fg%, 24.1 3 points shooting, 5.9 rpg,4.4 apg and 1.5 spg. His efg% was 43.6.

[BigKobeFan]

Here were his stats when he played for the Wizards. 21.2 ppg on 43.1 Fg%, 24.1 3 points shooting, 5.9 rpg,4.4 apg and 1.5 spg. His efg% was 43.6.

50 15 15 5 5

[Lebron23]

50 15 15 5 5

Lmao.unless he improves his 3 points shooting. I doubt he average over 29 ppg in this era.

[BigKobeFan]

Lmao.unless he improves his 3 points shooting. I doubt he average over 29 ppg in this era.

Well your not disputing the other 4 stats. We can discuss the points more

[Basketball IQ]

Prime Jordan is Prime Jordan in this era. He would be the same player (probably shoots more 3s though)

[Lebron23]

Well your not disputing the other 4 stats. We can discuss the points more

Probably the same stats as Prime Wade, but Wade was much faster, and slightly a better 3 points shooter than MJ.

[ThatCoolKid]

Here were his stats when he played for the Wizards. 21.2 ppg on 43.1 Fg%, 24.1 3 points shooting, 5.9 rpg,4.4 apg and 1.5 spg. His efg% was 43.6.

And that was year 15 MJ :lol Imagine year 17 jordan

[90sgoat]

He would score 101 and break Wilt's record and average a 50 point tripple double.

[3ball]

And that was year 15 MJ :lol Imagine year 17 jordan

If MJ was allowed to go from McDonald's all-american to NBA like Lebron, his 17th year would be the year 2000, so 37 years old - that's 1 year before 2001, when he was 1 of 3 guys to average 25/5/5 thru 45 games before he got hurt (MJ, tmac, Kobe).. people forget that MJ was pulling a 19' Lebron that year before he got hurt, aka the wizards were the 4 seed thru half the season and MJ was killing it with 25/5/5.. he had 45 and 51 pt games back-to-back and hit game winners vs Cleveland and Shawn Marion

[Lebron23]

And that was year 15 MJ :lol Imagine year 17 jordan

Just watched a video of Ron Artest when he played for the Chicago Bulls. He had a couple of steals against MJ. Jordan had some difficulties scoring against Artest and the Bulls zone defense

[TheCorporation]

Does this include his 1-9?

His 3 retirements? :lol

Does he still get career saver Pippen?

[BigShotBob]

NBA doesn't allow real zone defense

[Lebron23]

NBA doesn't allow real zone defense

And Jordan struggled against it.

[BigShotBob]

And Jordan struggled against it.

Nope. He played with defensive 3 seconds. Lebron never has. Meaning Lebron never had to face a real zone.

[3ball]

Does this include his 1-9?

His 3 retirements? :lol

Does he still get career saver Pippen?

Was pippen saving mj's career when he averaged 7 ppg in the 88 1st round and MJ averaged 45?

Or when pippen averaged 10 on 40% in the 89' ECF while missing the last 2 games, essentially sabataging the bulls from winning?

Or when pippen averaged 12 on 42% against the 88-90' Pistons?

Or when Pippen was destroyed by Dominique and Willis in the 93' 1st round?

Or when pippen averaged 17 on 41% in the he 96-98' playoffs?.

Or 19 on 42% in 6 Finals?

Or 0/6 in FMVP?

Or when pippen shot 45% true shooting in the 93' Finals while letting Dumas shoot lights out?... And had a lower PER, WS, obpm, efficiency, and paced-adjusted ppg in the 93' playoffs than 14' Wade's playoffs?

[TheCorporation]

Was pippen saving mj's career when he averaged 7 ppg in the 88 1st round and MJ averaged 45?

Or when pippen averaged 10 on 40% in the 89' ECF while missing the last 2 games, essentially sabataging the bulls from winning?

Or when pippen averaged 12 on 42% against the 88-90' Pistons?

Or when Pippen was destroyed by Dominique and Willis in the 93' 1st round?

Or when pippen averaged 17 on 41% in the he 96-98' playoffs?.

Or 19 on 42% in 6 Finals?

Or 0/6 in FMVP?

Or when pippen shot 45% true shooting in the 93' Finals while letting Dumas shoot lights out?... And had a lower PER, WS, obpm, efficiency, and paced-adjusted ppg in the 93' playoffs than 14' Wade's playoffs?

MJ had 5 years without Pippen. Zero Finals
Zero 2nd round wins. Zero 1st round wins. 1 playoff game win.

[BigShotBob]

MJ had 5 years without Pippen. Zero Finals
Zero 2nd round wins. Zero 1st round wins. 1 playoff game win.

2011. Jason Terry.

[TheCorporation]

2011. Jason Terry.

Careful now Welfare Fan. This is another known alt. I'd hate to see you banned again.

Sherriff KBlaze, you know what to do.

[Lebron23]

Nope. He played with defensive 3 seconds. Lebron never has. Meaning Lebron never had to face a real zone.

Huh???

[Round Mound]

MJ's 1st step would be to quick without handchecking rules. Even with those rules he had an onstoppable 1st step in his 20s. Without the contact allowed, no handchecking and no bigman allowed to camp in the paint he would drive easily on to the basket. He would average 43 pts, 8 asts, 6 rbs, 2stls and 1 blk per game with ease in his 20s. Jordan was like Lebron strong maybe not as heavy bod body wise he was the strongest guard ever. He had Kobe skill with bigger hands, stronger, better athlete, better leaper, quicker footed, faster, more agil etc.

[TheCorporation]

MJ's 1st step would be to quick without handchecking rules. Even with those rules he had an onstoppable 1st step in his 20s. Without the contact allowed, no handchecking and no bigman allowed to camp in the paint he would drive easily on to the basket. He would average 43 pts, 8 asts, 6 rbs, 2stls and 1 blk per game with ease in his 20s. Jordan was like Lebron strong maybe not as heavy bod body wise he was the strongest guard ever. He had Kobe skill with bigger hands, stronger, better athlete, better leaper, quicker footed, faster, more agil etc.

False. He had virtually ZERO perimeter defenders to check him.

Gar Payton at 6'1 held him to 26 on 41%

72-win Jordan

26 on 41%

[BarberSchool]

I can’t think of more than 3 centers in today’s league that Mike wouldn’t posterize EVERY GAME at least TWICE.
His paint PPG would be almost league leading, with soft ass bigs today.

38-42ppg
51-54%fg

[BarberSchool]

False. He had virtually ZERO perimeter defenders to check him.

Gar Payton at 6'1 held him to 26 on 41%

72-win Jordan

26 on 41%1993 MJ was prime, not 72-won supertram MJ.

Op asked about PRIME MJ.

[AirBonner]

Kobe would shit on MJ

[BarberSchool]

MJ's 1st step would be to quick without handchecking rules. Even with those rules he had an onstoppable 1st step in his 20s. Without the contact allowed, no handchecking and no bigman allowed to camp in the paint he would drive easily on to the basket. He would average 43 pts, 8 asts, 6 rbs, 2stls and 1 blk per game with ease in his 20s. Jordan was like Lebron strong maybe not as heavy bod body wise he was the strongest guard ever. He had Kobe skill with bigger hands, stronger, better athlete, better leaper, quicker footed, faster, more agil etc.Round Mound with the:
1. knowledge
2. wisdom
3. understanding

[SATAN]

This year he likely would have averaged 22.1/5.5/5.6 on 53/25/84%

20ppg over whole career

[BarberSchool]

Kobe would shit on MJmike’s WORST finals PPG & FG% is better than Kobe’s BEST finals ppg&fg%

[AirBonner]

mike’s WORST finals PPG & FG% is better than Kobe’s BEST finals ppg&fg%

Head to head BABY Kobe was lighting MJ up

[OldSchoolBBall]

Jordan would average 40/10/9 today, literally. Or like 43/8/7. No question at all.

[Carbine]

Jordan would average 40/10/9 today, literally. Or like 43/8/7. No question at all.

It depends on the situation. If he's playing the Harden role I wouldn't doubt 40 a game if that was his main goal.

If he wanted to win, it's never a good thing for one player to score 40 a game over the course of a season and then playoff run. It's not optimal for team success.

[And1AllDay]

Jordan would average 40/10/9 today, literally. Or like 43/8/7. No question at all.

burh we all seen the 1996 finals when he finally faced a good perimeter defender it was bad = 26 on 41%

if you disagree then post the other series where he faced tough perimeter defense

you cant find it, mike was limited by good perimeter defense. throw butler or paul george on him and he would shit his pantalones

[Carbine]

burh we all seen the 1996 finals when he finally faced a good perimeter defender it was bad = 26 on 41%

if you disagree then post the other series where he faced tough perimeter defense

you cant find it, mike was limited by good perimeter defense. throw butler or paul george on him and he would shit his pantalones

Thunder Dan was a second team all NBA defense in 91 and again in 93. He wasn't Payton on defense but not many were.

Dan had no answer for Jordan in 93.

BTW, if Westbrook can score 30 a game in this "zone era" then Jordan got no worries.

[BigShotBob]

NBA doesn't allow real zone defense.

[And1AllDay]

Thunder Dan was a second team all NBA defense in 91 and again in 93. He wasn't Payton on defense but not many were.

Dan had no answer for Jordan in 93.

BTW, if Westbrook can score 30 a game in this "zone era" then Jordan got no worries.

Thunder Dan :oldlol:

I rest my case

Mike would SHIT in his PANTALONES if Kawhi, PG13, Butler, Draymond checked him for a series


6'1 Gary Payton snatched mikes soul google it

[Lebron23]

Thunder Dan :oldlol:

I rest my case

Mike would SHIT in his PANTALONES if Kawhi, PG13, Butler, Draymond checked him for a series


6'1 Gary Payton snatched mikes soul google it
Post the video of a 22 years old Ron artest shutting down Wizards Jordan

[Rysio]

It all depends what kind of team would he be playing on. a shit team where he has to score 35+ just to win or a championship team where he has multiple scorers on the team. 35+/6/6 on shit team and 28-30/6/6 on a championship team.

[Carbine]

Thunder Dan :oldlol:

I rest my case

Mike would SHIT in his PANTALONES if Kawhi, PG13, Butler, Draymond checked him for a series


6'1 Gary Payton snatched mikes soul google it

You can sit there and discredit a two time All-NBA defender in a three year span all you want as if he was a joke defensively. That says more about you than anything else.

Jordan was checked by first team All-NBA defense Dennis Johnson routinely. He was a perennial first team all defense guy and Jordan had some of his best games against him. Yet he's going to shit himself against Jimmy Butler?

Was he not guarded by perhaps the GOAT perimeter defender in Rodman at times with another first team all NBA defense Joe Dumars as his primary defender?

He averaged 40 against the Celtics across two series in 86 and 87 and averaged

He averaged 30 against the Pistons over four playoff series from 88-91.

[Carbine]

Post the video of a 22 years old Ron artest shutting down Wizards Jordan

That's like saying post a video of so and so shutting Kobe down when he was old. As if to say that's what would happen if he played in "today's league"

Such a misguided thing to say. It has no merits.

[r0drig0lac]

avg 37-8-7 56/34/87 in a contender team

[And1AllDay]

You can sit there and discredit a two time All-NBA defender in a three year span all you want as if he was a joke defensively. That says more about you than anything else.

Jordan was checked by first team All-NBA defense Dennis Johnson routinely. He was a perennial first team all defense guy and Jordan had some of his best games against him. Yet he's going to shit himself against Jimmy Butler?

Was he not guarded by perhaps the GOAT perimeter defender in Rodman at times with another first team all NBA defense Joe Dumars as his primary defender?

He averaged 40 against the Celtics across two series in 86 and 87 and averaged

He averaged 30 against the Pistons over four playoff series from 88-91.

celtics proves the point weak perimeter defense. rodman was a great defender vs bigs.

slap Dray, Kawhi, Iggy on mike for a playoff series and he will SHIT his PANATALONES.

mike never seen defense like this, he had Starks and Ehlo and Byron Russell. Do the math :oldlol:

[Carbine]

I'm going to take my own advice I gave Round all concerning putting his time into 3ball.

I'm done with you. It's no fun debating a troll.

[HoopsNY]

You can sit there and discredit a two time All-NBA defender in a three year span all you want as if he was a joke defensively. That says more about you than anything else.

Jordan was checked by first team All-NBA defense Dennis Johnson routinely. He was a perennial first team all defense guy and Jordan had some of his best games against him. Yet he's going to shit himself against Jimmy Butler?

Was he not guarded by perhaps the GOAT perimeter defender in Rodman at times with another first team all NBA defense Joe Dumars as his primary defender?

He averaged 40 against the Celtics across two series in 86 and 87 and averaged

He averaged 30 against the Pistons over four playoff series from 88-91.

Jordan excelled offensively against the likes of Dumars, Moncrief, Robertson, Majerle, Johnson, Starks, etc. A couple of games against GP doesn't define his ability against defenses when we have 15 years worth of data that clearly shows otherwise. Unfortunately, Bran stans can't process information too well.

[HoopsNY]

celtics proves the point weak perimeter defense. rodman was a great defender vs bigs.

slap Dray, Kawhi, Iggy on mike for a playoff series and he will SHIT his PANATALONES.

mike never seen defense like this, he had Starks and Ehlo and Byron Russell. Do the math :oldlol:

Mike never seen defense like this? The Pistons of the late 80s and Knicks of the early 90s were arguably the greatest defenses of all-time.

[Lebron23]

Here were his stats when he played for the Wizards. 21.2 ppg on 43.1 Fg%, 24.1 3 points shooting, 5.9 rpg,4.4 apg and 1.5 spg. His efg% was 43.6.

24.3 FG% from the 3 points line