Polls may say he's behind

[ZenMaster]

But there's information out on the webs saying the same as in 2016, that in the suburbs and rural areas of the swing states there are Trump signs more or less everywhere.

Stay hopeful and keep your head up, there's so much love and high energy around the US every weekend!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FddRt2YGyog&ab_channel=TheJoeySaladinoShow

[TheMan]

But there's information out on the webs saying the same as in 2016, that in the suburbs and rural areas of the swing states there are Trump signs more or less everywhere.

Stay hopeful and keep your head up, there's so much love and high energy around the US every weekend!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FddRt2YGyog&ab_channel=TheJoeySaladinoShow
No, this is nothing like 2016. The political landscape is completely different. Biden isn't really winning, Trump is losing, this is a referendum election. His base is still with him but he has lost his soft support...

I would not be surprised if the Dems take the WH, Senate and HOR. Same ol' same ol', rinse and repeat.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump's lost the suburbs and the seniors vote due to his ignoring the Covid crisis.

[jstern]

Trump already won. The guy simply never loses. He's a people expert, high social IQ, and even though there's no such thing as 5D chess, the term does describe the game he is playing. Donald Trump is Alpha Zero.

[Rocket]

I have seen a grand total of 3 Biden signs and that includes parts of one of the major cities I have traveled to multiple times in the last few months for work. I have seen thousands of Trump signs. I also personally know 11 people who are rabid Trump supporters who will not put signs in their yards due to fear of vandals and/or riots when Trump wins. There are MANY more who feel the same way about advertising for Trump or even answering poll questions for fear of being doxed. There is absolutely no enthusiasm for Biden and enthusiasm by the truckload for Trump. A small town about 25 miles from me where my sister lives held a Trump caravan parade this weekend. There were hundreds of cars lined up decked out with all kinds of Trump signs. From the pictures she sent me you could see the enthusiasm. Trump has got this in the bag even with all of the ballot harvesting the left will do.

[Patrick Chewing]

I have seen a grand total of 3 Biden signs and that includes parts of one of the major cities I have traveled to multiple times in the last few months for work. I have seen thousands of Trump signs. I also personally know 11 people who are rabid Trump supporters who will not put signs in their yards due to fear of vandals and/or riots when Trump wins. There are MANY more who feel the same way about advertising for Trump or even answering poll questions for fear of being doxed. There is absolutely no enthusiasm for Biden and enthusiasm by the truckload for Trump. A small town about 25 miles from me where my sister lives held a Trump caravan parade this weekend. There were hundreds of cars lined up decked out with all kinds of Trump signs. From the pictures she sent me you could see the enthusiasm. Trump has got this in the bag even with all of the ballot harvesting the left will do.

Just look at this. LOOK AT THIS:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxLeofgwfC4

https://media3.giphy.com/media/gjaDUH3UfNnZn2stvY/giphy.gif

[~primetime~]

For those who think Trump has this on lock:

https://www.bovada.lv/sports/politics

payday for you guys has never been bigger than it is now...you should put some money down...put $1,000 down, get $2,700 back when Trump wins

[Rocket]

Just look at this. LOOK AT THIS:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxLeofgwfC4

https://media3.giphy.com/media/gjaDUH3UfNnZn2stvY/giphy.gif

OMG that is pathetic. You could hear all of less than 10 people clapping. it is obvious there was quite literally nobody there. That dud hasn't got a chance. (lol, I meant to type dude instead of dud but after proof reading I believe dud is the correct term). :roll:

[BigKobeFan]

So he gets the Latino votes by playing Latino music and doing lasso? While the bitch listens to Tupac?

[CelticBaller]

I can smell the nervous sweat from here

[Rocket]

For those who think Trump has this on lock:

https://www.bovada.lv/sports/politics

payday for you guys has never been bigger than it is now...you should put some money down...put $1,000 down, get $2,700 back when Trump wins

I do not bet for religious reasons but that is easy money for someone who does.

[ZenMaster]

For those who think Trump has this on lock:

https://www.bovada.lv/sports/politics

payday for you guys has never been bigger than it is now...you should put some money down...put $1,000 down, get $2,700 back when Trump wins

I'll probably put down a bit, but at those odds I won't need to think he has it on lock.

The same goes for anyone who thinks Biden is 100% winning this btw, you mind as well put down $1000 and pick up a free 400ish in profit when he wins.

I'm still hopeful that more information will come out which can't be dismissed by regular people, like the hand written notes from John Brennan, used to brief Obama on the Clinton campaign going with a plan to stir up a Russian interference scandal.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?485710-Declassified-docs-show-CIA-briefed-Obama-on-Hillary-s-plan-to-link-Trump-to-Russia

[diamenz]

Just look at this. LOOK AT THIS:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxLeofgwfC4

https://media3.giphy.com/media/gjaDUH3UfNnZn2stvY/giphy.gif

that's one hell of a fies-, er... siesta.

[RRR3]

I do not bet for religious reasons but that is easy money for someone who does.
If you were actually religious you’d respect Communism.

[TheMan]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

[Axe]

For those who think Trump has this on lock:

https://www.bovada.lv/sports/politics

payday for you guys has never been bigger than it is now...you should put some money down...put $1,000 down, get $2,700 back when Trump wins
Big lmao to vote buying. Yikes.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump already won. The guy simply never loses.
Tell that to the guys he owes $400 million.

[ZenMaster]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

https://mobile.twitter.com/RyannMcEnany/status/1315863996436811777

[TheMan]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RyannMcEnany/status/1315863996436811777
His base alone can't get him elected and independents have moved away from him in massive numbers, also take into account that Dems are enthusiastic as Republicans but in voting Trump out. We shall see though, I doubt polls are that way off, 2016 will go down as in outlier, that's my take.

[~primetime~]

His base alone can't get him elected and independents have moved away from him in massive numbers, also take into account that Dems are enthusiastic as Republicans but in voting Trump out. We shall see though, I doubt polls are that way off, 2016 will go down as in outlier, that's my take.

2016 wasn't even that far off...Hill won the popular vote.

I'll say this, if the polls are wrong this time around, there should be a massive overhaul in the way polling is done. Supposedly the pollsters already made adjustments to flaws seen in 2016, but Bidens lead is about 2X that of what Hillary had so that would mean there are enormous glaring flaws in the way ALL of the pollsters operate...even the right leaning ones

The one 'x-factor' in all of this is covid which is now spiking again...I actually think that favors Trump in that Biden's lead seems to be mostly senior based now, and that's who would be scared to go out and vote due to covid...so they have to do the mail in and many states are making that a difficult thing to do.

[Real Men Wear Green]

But there's information out on the webs saying the same as in 2016, that in the suburbs and rural areas of the swing states there are Trump signs more or less everywhere.

Stay hopeful and keep your head up, there's so much love and high energy around the US every weekend!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FddRt2YGyog&ab_channel=TheJoeySaladinoShow

Trump's winning California. Nice.

[~primetime~]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/elections/election-states-biden-trump.html

there is actually a scenario where they tie at 269 points each

drag all the middle swing states and Texas to Trump...then drag Arizona and Wis. to Trump...the rest to Biden

[TheMan]

2016 wasn't even that far off...Hill won the popular vote.

I'll say this, if the polls are wrong this time around, there should be a massive overhaul in the way polling is done. Supposedly the pollsters already made adjustments to flaws seen in 2016, but Bidens lead is about 2X that of what Hillary had so that would mean there are enormous glaring flaws in the way ALL of the pollsters operate...even the right leaning ones

The one 'x-factor' in all of this is covid which is now spiking again...I actually think that favors Trump in that Biden's lead seems to be mostly senior based now, and that's who would be scared to go out and vote due to covid...so they have to do the mail in and many states are making that a difficult thing to do.
I dunno, younger people tend to vote Democratic while older folks tend to be more conservative. Its true that a spike in covid19 might scare off more older folks than younger ones and Biden's big lead is due to older folks defecting to the Dems but I can't see how a younger electorate would favor Trump.

This should've been a slam dunk reelection for Trump if only he would've at least pretended to care about the pandemic and not seem so dismissive about it from the beginning. Governors who took it seriously have higher poll numbers (even GOP governors) than those who didn't, same would've applied to the POTUS.

[starface]

2016 wasn't even that far off...Hill won the popular vote.

I'll say this, if the polls are wrong this time around, there should be a massive overhaul in the way polling is done. Supposedly the pollsters already made adjustments to flaws seen in 2016, but Bidens lead is about 2X that of what Hillary had so that would mean there are enormous glaring flaws in the way ALL of the pollsters operate...even the right leaning ones

The one 'x-factor' in all of this is covid which is now spiking again...I actually think that favors Trump in that Biden's lead seems to be mostly senior based now, and that's who would be scared to go out and vote due to covid...so they have to do the mail in and many states are making that a difficult thing to do.


:oldlol:

The flaw would not be with polling, it would be with your fellow cucks and betas throwing violent tantrums that push people to keep quiet about their voting intentions. Polls rely on people to volunteer information. People wont do that in an atmosphere of harassment and intimidation.

But as usual, youre looking for convoluted ways to circumvent the actual reality and come up with some weird mental gymnastics for an excuse.

“Must be somethin is wrong with the way theyre doin those polls!”

[starface]

I dunno, younger people tend to vote Democratic while older folks tend to be more conservative. Its true that a spike in covid19 might scare off more older folks than younger ones and Biden's big lead is due to older folks defecting to the Dems but I can't see how a younger electorate would favor Trump.

This should've been a slam dunk reelection for Trump if only he would've at least pretended to care about the pandemic and not seem so dismissive about it from the beginning. Governors who took it seriously have higher poll numbers (even GOP governors) than those who didn't, same would've applied to the POTUS.

Perhaps older folks are being even more cautious about admitting to MAGA this time around than younger people.

If your source on the “older people turning on Trump” narrative is MSNBC... :lol

[TheMan]

Perhaps older folks are being even more cautious about admitting to MAGA this time around than younger people.

If your source on the “older people turning on Trump” narrative is MSNBC... :lol
No, my source are the polling agencies info about who is voting for whom...you do realize they break it down into groups, college educated voters, working class voters, women, men, minorities, suburban folk, urban folk, age groups, even by religious faith etc etc

[starface]

No, my source are the polling agencies info about who is for for who...you do realize they break it down into groups, college educated whites, working class whites, women, men, minorities, suburban folk, urban folk, age groups etc etc


Can you link me to the data on covid-based defections among older people? In other words people who voted Trump 2016 and are specifically switching bc of covid?

CNN could cherry pick a couple people doing that and pair it with a story on “Trump poll numbers down among seniors” to make it seem like thats the reason for the trend. When the vast majority of the diminished polling could be about voters not disclosing their intentions.

Do you have polling data that specifically pins covid as a reason?

Im not even doubting it. I wouodnt be surprised by anything at this point. If you show it to me Ill acknowledge it.

But we know you have TDS and youre also not a real shrewd guy in general when it comes to seeing thru media BS, so I wouldnt be surprised if youve been purposely mixed up by the media.

[TheMan]

TALLAHASSEE — Stephen Staruch is exactly the kind of voter that gave Donald Trump a 17-point advantage over Hillary Clinton in exit polling among older voters in Florida four years ago.

The lifelong Republican who has retired to the state’s largest retirement community, The Villages, says he voted for Trump four years ago because it was “more of a vote against Clinton.” As a retired UPS executive, he had hope for Trump because his life experience taught him that people “often grow into the job and mature; if you surround them by the right team of people, they’re going to become a good leader, especially if they’re good business people.”


But Staruch’s high hopes were quickly dashed, he said this week. “Right around inauguration time when he started lying about the crowds, I had buyer’s remorse.”

Now, Staruch, 67, is voting for Biden “to get democracy back and the rule of law,” and he’s speaking out about it to anyone who will listen. “I feel that same sense of obligation that I did when I was 17 and joined the military during Vietnam. It’s like, that’s what people do because this is our country.”

Polls now show that because of voters like Staruch, Florida’s seniors who traditionally vote at higher rates than any other age group, have shifted in significant numbers away from President Donald Trump to former vice president Joe Biden.

The University of North Florida Public Opinion Research Lab released a poll of likely voters on Oct. 6, and while Biden was leading Trump among likely Florida voters 51 percent to 45 percent, the margin among voters older than 65 was 50 percent for Trump and 47 percent for Biden. Those same people were asked how they voted years ago, and the margin was much larger, 14 points in Trump’s favor.

A Quinnipiac poll released Oct. 7 found even wider margins with voters age 65 and older. Biden was ahead of Trump 55 percent to 40 percent among Florida voters over age 65, the widest margin of any age group except 18- to 34-year-olds where Biden led with a margin of 23 percentage points. Older voters have a more favorable opinion of Biden over Trump by 20 percentage points, according to the survey conducted after the presidential debate.

The trend seems to be happening across the nation. In the last month, a CNN poll found Biden leading Trump by 21 points — 60 percent to 39 percent — among likely voters 65 and older. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll reported an even larger margin.

The Pew Research Center estimates that Trump beat Clinton by nine percentage points among voters 65 and older four years ago. By comparison, John McCain carried the senior vote by eight points in 2008, and George W. Bush had only a four-point advantage in 2004.

Stop being lazy, there are tons of articles on Trump losing seniors, and it has been happening for a while now, since at least 2018.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/elections/2020/10/12/floridas-senior-vote-shifting-from-trump-to-biden-polls-show-but-is-it-really/%3foutputType=amp

[starface]

Stop being lazy, there are tons of articles on Trump losing seniors, and it has been happening for a while now, since at least 2018.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/elections/2020/10/12/floridas-senior-vote-shifting-from-trump-to-biden-polls-show-but-is-it-really/%3foutputType=amp




Not a statistician so someone correct me if Im wrong here, but if I call 100 homes and 7 say theyre voting for Biden, while 3 people say Trump, and everyone else refuses to answer... my poll is gonna show Biden with a 70-30 lead, yeah?

Even if the other 90 people plan to vote Trump.

If I find one person in all of Florida who says hes switching his vote I can run that story and package it with those poll numbers and claim seniors are swinging toward Biden bc of Covid.

Im not saying the supposed trend is real or embellished. I have no idea. No election result that will surprise me. I’m simply pointing out how easy it is for the media to spin narratives and have folks who are... less savvy, lets say... eat it up as truth. Especially when it’s the truth they desperately want to believe in the first place.

[ZenMaster]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/elections/election-states-biden-trump.html

there is actually a scenario where they tie at 269 points each

drag all the middle swing states and Texas to Trump...then drag Arizona and Wis. to Trump...the rest to Biden

Yo Prime I was actually quite curious here http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?485786-California-trying-to-pass-state-taxes-even-if-you-leave&p=14150813&viewfull=1#post14150813 ..

[ZenMaster]

Not a statistician so someone correct me if Im wrong here, but if I call 100 homes and 7 say theyre voting for Biden, while 3 people say Trump, and everyone else refuses to answer... my poll is gonna show Biden with a 70-30 lead, yeah?

Even if the other 90 people plan to vote Trump.

If I find one person in all of Florida who says hes switching his vote I can run that story and package it with those poll numbers and claim seniors are swinging toward Biden bc of Covid.

Im not saying the supposed trend is real or embellished. I have no idea. No election result that will surprise me. I’m simply pointing out how easy it is for the media to spin narratives and have folks who are... less savvy, lets say... eat it up as truth. Especially when it’s the truth they desperately want to believe in the first place.

They say they've figured out how to compensate for this, but as in the example you set up, the variables in accounting for this are crazy to figure out. So yeah, am not and won't be looking at the polls, but just waiting to see what happens.

[TheMan]

Not a statistician so someone correct me if Im wrong here, but if I call 100 homes and 7 say theyre voting for Biden, while 3 people say Trump, and everyone else refuses to answer... my poll is gonna show Biden with a 70-30 lead, yeah?

Even if the other 90 people plan to vote Trump.

If I find one person in all of Florida who says hes switching his vote I can run that story and package it with those poll numbers and claim seniors are swinging toward Biden bc of Covid.

Im not saying the supposed trend is real or embellished. I have no idea. No election result that will surprise me. I’m simply pointing out how easy it is for the media to spin narratives and have folks who are... less savvy, lets say... eat it up as truth. Especially when it’s the truth they desperately want to believe in the first place.

You do realize there is a science to it, right? Even campaigns have internal polls and they pay a pretty penny, I doubt they are just giving out money to dopes who pull numbers out of their asses. Polls aren't always right, but they do get it right more often than not, especially when you take out an average of various polls.

[starface]

You do realize there is a science to it, right? Even campaigns have internal polls and they pay a pretty penny, I doubt they are just giving out money to dopes who pull numbers out of their asses. Polls aren't always right, but they do get it right more often than not, especially when you take out an average of various polls.


Bro.

If Biden voters are consistently the ones answering surveys... thats gonna give him a big poll lead :lol

A lot of young people are #WalkingAway from the Dems and saying so openly on social media and etc. Whether theyre voting 3rd party or not voting. I dont know if theyre answering polls. We know hardly any Trump voters are talking to pollsters.

Generally, the ONLY people polls are getting responses from are Biden voters. So of course the numbers will skew HEAVILY in his favor. Theres nothing “respected” pollsters or even campaign insiders can do to get an even picture. People who arent voting Biden arent talking to pollsters. This may include a significant number of older people. Who wants to admit to MAGA just to have some possibly sinister pollster leak their number or address and start getting harassed?

When you create this kind of climate of intimidation, you dont get an accurate view of what people really think. Weve never had this level of insanity surrounding an election in our lifetimes. So polls are EVEN MORE skewed than 2016, and 2016 was EVEN MORE skewed than previous elections.

This is very simple. Please tell me you at least understand what Im saying.

[ZenMaster]

Trump's winning California. Nice.

:oldlol: Probably not, but the difference from 4 years ago looks significant:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ty3WSHPNe8&ab_channel=JoeyJinHollywood

[Patrick Chewing]

Bro.

If Biden voters are consistently the ones answering surveys... thats gonna give him a big poll lead :lol

A lot of young people are #WalkingAway from the Dems and saying so openly on social media and etc. Whether theyre voting 3rd party or not voting. I dont know if theyre answering polls. We know hardly any Trump voters are talking to pollsters.

Generally, the ONLY people polls are getting responses from are Biden voters. So of course the numbers will skew HEAVILY in his favor. Theres nothing “respected” pollsters or even campaign insiders can do to get an even picture. People who arent voting Biden arent talking to pollsters. This may include a significant number of older people. Who wants to admit to MAGA just to have some possibly sinister pollster leak their number or address and start getting harassed?

When you create this kind of climate of intimidation, you dont get an accurate view of what people really think. Weve never had this level of insanity surrounding an election in our lifetimes. So polls are EVEN MORE skewed than 2016, and 2016 was EVEN MORE skewed than previous elections.

This is very simple. Please tell me you at least understand what Im saying.


It’s pointless, TheMan is low-IQ. He focuses on the polls, but ignores the rallies.

[TheMan]

Bro.

If Biden voters are consistently the ones answering surveys... thats gonna give him a big poll lead :lol

A lot of young people are #WalkingAway from the Dems and saying so openly on social media and etc. Whether theyre voting 3rd party or not voting. I dont know if theyre answering polls. We know hardly any Trump voters are talking to pollsters.

Generally, the ONLY people polls are getting responses from are Biden voters. So of course the numbers will skew HEAVILY in his favor. Theres nothing “respected” pollsters or even campaign insiders can do to get an even picture. People who arent voting Biden arent talking to pollsters. This may include a significant number of older people. Who wants to admit to MAGA just to have some possibly sinister pollster leak their number or address and start getting harassed?

When you create this kind of climate of intimidation, you dont get an accurate view of what people really think. Weve never had this level of insanity surrounding an election in our lifetimes. So polls are EVEN MORE skewed than 2016, and 2016 was EVEN MORE skewed than previous elections.

This is very simple. Please tell me you at least understand what Im saying.

I get what you're saying but I will refer you to 2018 and the butt whipping the GOP recieved (predicted by polls BTW).

[TheMan]

It’s pointless, TheMan is low-IQ. He focuses on the polls, but ignores the rallies.

We shall see, amigo. I will destroy your ISH persona when I make you use a NAMBLA member avy

https://media1.tenor.com/images/e84f15c814dfef39fcd91af7dd7d26ff/tenor.gif?itemid=11634369

[TheMan]

It’s pointless, TheMan is low-IQ. He focuses on the polls, but ignores the rallies.

https://youtu.be/8YkRXrvW42A

[starface]

I get what you're saying but I will refer you to 2018 and the butt whipping the GOP recieved (predicted by polls BTW).


Anything can happen. I have no clue which way things will go. But the idea that old people swapping candidates based on covid is a significant trend, is not supported by anything credible. It's a narrative based on cherry picked anecdotes.

[Rocket]

If you were actually religious you’d respect Communism.
I think it would be a great idea for you to purchase a Bible and study scripture. You are completely clueless to what Jesus did and said and why he did it. I can only assume you are conflating Jesus talking about giving to the poor with communism. Jesus talked about giving of your own accord to the poor. He did not say let the government take from you for redistribution. I hope you realize communism is socialism at gunpoint. Communist countries most always make it very tough on Christians. They prefer the people worship the state. The reason Jesus came to the world was to be the Lamb of God. He came to be the ultimate sacrifice to take away the sins of anyone who accepts and believes in him. Maybe your parents will give you a few dollars to purchase a Bible so you can learn from it. The wisdom you will receive from it could save your soul for all of eternity.

[~primetime~]

Early voting numbers in Texas are record breaking...no surprise though really...this election is going to have an extremely high turn out.

Some saying a 70% turnout in Texas is not out of the question.

most lines currently require hours long wait times

[tpols]

Early voting numbers in Texas are record breaking...no surprise though really...this election is going to have an extremely high turn out.

Some saying a 70% turnout in Texas is not out of the question.

most lines currently require hours long wait times

Trumps gonna win Texas.

[~primetime~]

Trumps gonna win Texas.

I believe so yes

if he didn't, none of the other states even matter...so he better

[Real Men Wear Green]

"Suburban women, will you please like me?"

A fascinating* quote.

Does it tell us that Trump believes mainstream polling?

Does it tell us that Trump has lost part of his 2016 coalition?

Or am I guilty of taking things out of context and this is just Trump telling us he's got no game?


* (though maybe a little off I'm typing what I think I heard him say)

[Luka Doncic]

We shall see, amigo. I will destroy your ISH persona when I make you use a NAMBLA member avy

https://media1.tenor.com/images/e84f15c814dfef39fcd91af7dd7d26ff/tenor.gif?itemid=11634369

Chewing allow.

[Rocket]

Trumps gonna win Texas.
Yes, he will win by a comfortable margin. There is absolutely no enthusiasm for Biden in Texas. There is tons of enthusiasm for Trump.

[Luka Doncic]

Campaigning and rallying is a big factor in how Presidents of the past won. Trump is doing this. If I was an independent and knowing Trump actually cared to come to my state is enough to vote for him.

[Axe]

If you are a farmer then you'd be compelled to root for him. But otherwise, nada.

[~primetime~]

Florida early voting:


As of Tuesday, Democrats accounted for almost 51 percent of the nearly 1.8 million ballots cast so far. Republicans had cast about 520,000 ballots, or about 29 percent of the total.

The remaining 20 percent of the ballots mailed in so far have been cast by independent voters who have no party affiliation or belong to minor third parties.

The preference of these independent voters is harder to gauge, but polls suggest Biden is winning them. In addition, according to an internal analysis by Florida’s Democratic Party, its models show that 31 percent of those independent voters who have already cast ballots look like Democratic voters because their age and race more closely correlate with Biden voters; only 11 percent look like Trump voters.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/14/florida-swing-states-428893

[TheMan]

Florida early voting:


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/14/florida-swing-states-428893
but rallies bro...

Hard data of votes already cast is heavily Democratic, long lines in early voting states are in Democratic areas, mail in ballots are up huge (Trump did himself no favors dissuading his supporters from mail in voting) the enthusiasm to vote the POTUS out is as high as his supporters is to give him 4 more years. Just a matter of which is the bigger of the two sides, no 3rd party voting this time around also. I really do think Trump/GOP lose big...to be brutally honest, I don't see how Trump can pull this on out, conventional wisdom says that the more people vote, the better it is for the Democrats but we shall see in 3 weeks.

[RRR3]

I think it would be a great idea for you to purchase a Bible and study scripture. You are completely clueless to what Jesus did and said and why he did it. I can only assume you are conflating Jesus talking about giving to the poor with communism. Jesus talked about giving of your own accord to the poor. He did not say let the government take from you for redistribution. I hope you realize communism is socialism at gunpoint. Communist countries most always make it very tough on Christians. They prefer the people worship the state. The reason Jesus came to the world was to be the Lamb of God. He came to be the ultimate sacrifice to take away the sins of anyone who accepts and believes in him. Maybe your parents will give you a few dollars to purchase a Bible so you can learn from it. The wisdom you will receive from it could save your soul for all of eternity.
Yeah you literally don’t know what communism is nor do you understand that Jesus would abhor a system that enabled people like Jeff Bezos to hoard vast quantities of wealth while others starve. You don’t follow the Bible, you’re just a terrible selfish person who uses religion as an excuse to be a greedy shitbag.

[BigKobeFan]

Yeah you literally don’t know what communism is nor do you understand that Jesus would abhor a system that enabled people like Jeff Bezos to hoard vast quantities of wealth while others starve. You don’t follow the Bible, you’re just a terrible selfish person who uses religion as an excuse to be a greedy shitbag.

Pictures of your room

[~primetime~]

but rallies bro...

Hard data of votes already cast is heavily Democratic, long lines in early voting states are in Democratic areas, mail in ballots are up huge (Trump did himself no favors dissuading his supporters from mail in voting) the enthusiasm to vote the POTUS out is as high as his supporters is to give him 4 more years. Just a matter of which is the bigger of the two sides, no 3rd party voting this time around also. I really do think Trump/GOP lose big...to be brutally honest, I don't see how Trump can pull this on out, conventional wisdom says that the more people vote, the better it is for the Democrats but we shall see in 3 weeks.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-owner-rupert-murdoch-predicts-a-landslide-win-for-biden

Rupert Murdoch...owner of FOX News... agrees with you

[TheMan]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-owner-rupert-murdoch-predicts-a-landslide-win-for-biden

Rupert Murdoch...owner of FOX News... agrees with you

Yeah, well it doesn't take a political genius to see where this thing is heading towards. Every historical marker that has predicted whether an incumbent wins or loses is against the POTUS rn...he is looking a lot like Jimmy Carter part deux...to be honest, neither the Dems nor Biden deserve to win in a landslide, they've no new ideas, Biden is just running on he's not Trump and that's it. In a normal year, Trump tears Biden a new a-hole...this loss is solely on Trump and all his missteps. Taking ownership of the stimulus bill flop is just overkill at this point...but the rallies doe mang.

[~primetime~]

Yep this is definitely Trump vs Trump. And if you want to see 'rallies' for that look no further than the protests. And if you want to see even bigger rallies tune in for the victory parades following Bidens win that will flood every city.

[TheMan]

LMAO, what a shit show with Trump's townhall meeting, can't even denounce wackos like Q Anon :roll:

His poll numbers gonna get uglier with this pathetic showing :facepalm

[starface]

Yep this is definitely Trump vs Trump. And if you want to see 'rallies' for that look no further than the protests. And if you want to see even bigger rallies tune in for the victory parades following Bidens win that will flood every city.


Just goes to show how dumb the average person is.

Trump wasn't perfect but he did put America first in a lot of ways and did some good things for the country.

The Biden-Bush establishment was so fuming that he reigned in foreign imperialism, they pulled the greatest political treachery since 9/11, sabotaging the country to get an actual populist out of office and return it to a completely corrupt political war machine.

And guys like you... are happy about it.

Why?

Meh, because your wife told you Trump is a meanie and he hurts feelings, and that's what matters. And you have to agree with her or else you sleep on the couch. Besides, you dont know jack shit about anything anyway. Better off just agreeing.

Imagine being that beta. Throwing away the country for the sake of being approved of by emotional women, and a corrupt media machine that makes you feel smart and righteous if you buy into what they push. Which you have to fake, because you aren't actually those things.

Men tend to vote conservative. Small business owners, entrepreneurs, motivated people tend to vote conservative. Veterans who fought for shit tend to vote conservative. Basically anyone with a semblance of guts and autonomy and independence is statistically more likely to vote red.

And you're out here voting blue because you're a limp wristed mediocre throwaway of a man, a beta order taker, just doing what he's told by the people around him.

Imagine.

[bladefd]

LMAO, what a shit show with Trump's townhall meeting, can't even denounce wackos like Q Anon :roll:

His poll numbers gonna get uglier with this pathetic showing :facepalm

At this point, he should just drop out. Looks so incompetent falling flat on his face, failing against a flawed candidate like Biden.

[~primetime~]

Just goes to show how dumb the average person is.

Trump wasn't perfect but he did put America first in a lot of ways and did some good things for the country.

starface has conceded :applause:

[RRR3]

Rest assured regardless of who wins there are people on ISH I will be laughing at.

[bladefd]

Mail-in-votes coming in live update day to day:
https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/index.html

9.5 million mail-in-ballots are in already. 52 million people have requested to vote by mail. I think the deadlines to register for mail-in-ballots have passed in every state so that 52mill number might be final for voting by mail unless if some districts did not update the numbers. That is a lot of people! Assuming they all fill out & send their ballots in on time..

[Facepalm]

We shall see, amigo. I will destroy your ISH persona when I make you use a NAMBLA member avy

https://media1.tenor.com/images/e84f15c814dfef39fcd91af7dd7d26ff/tenor.gif?itemid=11634369

How's he going to wear an avy when he'll be retiring from ISH? Or has he weaseled out of that already?

[TheMan]

How's he going to wear an avy when he'll be retiring from ISH? Or has he weaseled out of that already?

Permabets are counterproductive, we need more people here, not less...besides, it's more fun having them here than them leaving, so we can talk shit to them nonstop :lol

[bladefd]

23mill people already voted early through mail as per updated https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/index.html

9 states don't report and so it's probably more than 23mill people.

[ZenMaster]

Either Trump has gone full crazy, or he's just happy that direct proof of Biden corruption is going to come to light next week. This fking guy...

https://twitter.com/BrianClowdus/status/1317230387110809605

[Real Men Wear Green]

Either Trump has gone full crazy, or he's just happy that direct proof of Biden corruption is going to come to light next week. This fking guy...

https://twitter.com/BrianClowdus/status/1317230387110809605

Wel we know he's unhappy with Barr over their latest investigation into Obama admin corruption turning up nothing, so...

[CelticBaller]

he literally just said he will leave the country if Biden wins

He's not happy. He's putting on a show for you clowns

[Real Men Wear Green]

he literally just said he will leave the country if Biden wins
There are a lot of investigations being held up by his office. If he loses it he may well flee the country.

[ZenMaster]

Wel we know he's unhappy with Barr over their latest investigation into Obama admin corruption turning up nothing, so...

Good thing the NY post has emails on the Biden's China corruption and that docs were released which had hand written John Brennan notes, used to brief Obama about the Hillary campaign going with a strategy to drum up a Russian interference scandal.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Good thing the NY post has emails on the Biden's China corruption and that docs were released which had hand written John Brennan notes, used to brief Obama about the Hillary campaign going with a strategy to drum up a Russian interference scandal.

Interesting. So if all of this is illegal and the evidence is legit why doesn't Trump have Barr going after these people?

[Facepalm]

Good thing the NY post has emails on the Biden's China corruption and that docs were released which had hand written John Brennan notes, used to brief Obama about the Hillary campaign going with a strategy to drum up a Russian interference scandal.

Is that why Trump's own FBI is investigating this supposed evidence for being fake planted by by Russia?


WASHINGTON – Federal authorities are investigating whether a Russian influence operation was behind the disclosure of emails purporting to document the Ukrainian and Chinese business dealings of Hunter Biden, the son of Democratic nominee Joe Biden, a person briefed on the matter said Friday.

The FBI's examination is tied to the New York Post's reporting this week on the contents of a computer hard drive it obtained from President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/112f98db4b2070e60996de58549e7067/tenor.gif?itemid=16257769

[ZenMaster]

Interesting. So if all of this is illegal and the evidence is legit why doesn't Trump have Barr going after these people?

I don't know, but I've read a few theories..

Barr is not being real and he isn't looking to take down the whole cabal.

Barr is real, but has serious national security concerns due to the information which would have to be revealed.

The public has to be turned to realize the level of corruption for there to be any chance to pull the country together afterwards. If cuffs where put on Hillary, Biden, Obama and Brennan tomorrow, so many people would go crazy and Trump would be painted as a tyrant. That would be different if everyone knew beforehand how of their corruption and dealings.


Is that why Trump's own FBI is investigating this supposed evidence for being fake planted by by Russia?

Trump's own FBI? I can't agree with that characterization.

What does fake planted mean?
Sure they could be planted, but the information is being corroborated, like with the off the books meeting shown to be set up in Hunters emails, which was shown to be true through FOIA emails released by the State Department today.

[Nanners]

he literally just said he will leave the country if Biden wins

He's not happy. He's putting on a show for you clowns

:oldlol:

you mean he "literally" said what was a blatantly obvious joke?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEr0Deji054

fascinating to see libs become so incredibly triggered by orange man bad syndrome that they no longer understand the concept of humor

[Mr. Woke]

Trump is an embarrassment.

I am so glad that I didn't vote for that clown.

[coin24]

What’s with all the bulshit media dribble about trump not leaving office peacefully if he loses?

Like how the dems cried about impeachment and recounting votes for the last 3.5 years?
How can anyone support these retards..

Also the denouncing white supremacy.. are Americans really this stupid :lol

[Mr. Woke]

What’s with all the bulshit media dribble about trump not leaving office peacefully if he loses?

Like how the dems cried about impeachment and recounting votes for the last 3.5 years?
How can anyone support these retards..

Also the denouncing white supremacy.. are Americans really this stupid :lol

The Republican Party has lost its mind. Bunch of retards.

They spent 8 years bitching about Obama, now this. Just lol!

[rufuspaul]

I live in an urban area and my neighborhood has Biden/Harris signs everywhere. Problem is as soon as you go outside the metro area the rural parts of the state are solid Trump country and that is true for most of the South. Trump knows this and exploits it. The Dems don't engage rural communities at all. Haven't they learned from 2016? Biden's strategy seems to be aimed at the Rust Belt which just might work out for him but I would never underestimate the redneck support for Trump.

[rawimpact]

I live in an urban area and my neighborhood has Biden/Harris signs everywhere. Problem is as soon as you go outside the metro area the rural parts of the state are solid Trump country and that is true for most of the South. Trump knows this and exploits it. The Dems don't engage rural communities at all. Haven't they learned from 2016? Biden's strategy seems to be aimed at the Rust Belt which just might work out for him but I would never underestimate the redneck support for Trump.

Maybe it's because the Democrats have nothing to say to Rural America? It has very little to do with Rallies and more to do with policy. When was the last time they EVER tried to appeal to them?

The only way the Dems try to win that vote is by swaying them to vote Dem based on gender or by race. I hope women and minorities are not that stupid.

We've seen with Obama, just because you put a black guy in office -- it does not mean issues pertaining to most african american communities will resolve.

[starface]

I live in an urban area and my neighborhood has Biden/Harris signs everywhere. Problem is as soon as you go outside the metro area the rural parts of the state are solid Trump country and that is true for most of the South. Trump knows this and exploits it. The Dems don't engage rural communities at all. Haven't they learned from 2016? Biden's strategy seems to be aimed at the Rust Belt which just might work out for him but I would never underestimate the redneck support for Trump.


Do the signs wear masks?

[rawimpact]

Do the signs wear masks?

How many trees were cut for those signs? I mean to a extent, those signs do contribute to global warming.

[~primetime~]

I live in an urban area and my neighborhood has Biden/Harris signs everywhere. Problem is as soon as you go outside the metro area the rural parts of the state are solid Trump country and that is true for most of the South. Trump knows this and exploits it. The Dems don't engage rural communities at all. Haven't they learned from 2016? Biden's strategy seems to be aimed at the Rust Belt which just might work out for him but I would never underestimate the redneck support for Trump.
I think most lefties fear a redneck onslaught come election day because of 2016...that fear is an advantage for Biden, now lefties are ignoring polls and actually voting rather than staying home assuming Trump is dead in the water.

Also, Dems have dominated early voting so far, rural peeps are waiting for the last day, and IMO that is also a advantage for Dems who are probably more likely to get their vote in because they have weeks to do it rather than just election day.

we'll see...but this election is different than 2016 in many ways....there's going to be significantly more voters for one

[rufuspaul]

How many trees were cut for those signs? I mean to a extent, those signs do contribute to global warming.


Speaking of signs someone put up a huge Trump-Pence sign out in the burbs here. Some kids used duct tape and changed it to Rump-Peenis. Then the Trump peeps tried to fix it using more duct tape so it just became a parody of itself.

[~primetime~]

In the entire history of political signs...has a sign ever swayed a vote? :lol

you go to vote and there is a billion signs all scattered about the entrance...it's just a big massive messy void of nothingness at that point, it doesn't do anything

[rufuspaul]

In the entire history of political signs...has a sign ever swayed a vote? :lol

you go to vote and there is a billion signs all scattered about the entrance...it's just a big massive messy void of nothingness at that point, it doesn't do anything


Yeah the only purpose of having a sign in your yard is to boast about your political preference which doesn't seem to serve much of a purpose at all.

[bladefd]

I think most lefties fear a redneck onslaught come election day because of 2016...that fear is an advantage for Biden, now lefties are ignoring polls and actually voting rather than staying home assuming Trump is dead in the water.

Also, Dems have dominated early voting so far, rural peeps are waiting for the last day, and IMO that is also a advantage for Dems who are probably more likely to get their vote in because they have weeks to do it rather than just election day.

we'll see...but this election is different than 2016 in many ways....there's going to be significantly more voters for one

I just voted too. I don't usually vote this early. My whole family voted too. I made sure of it this time by continuing to push them day after day and we are still 15 days away from the election. I bet I'm not the only one pushing family members to vote early.

As for mail-in-ballots, 30 million people have already voted 15 days before the election (82 million people have requested ballots - 6 states including NY don't report how many people requested ballots so actual number is probably much higher, perhaps 100 million people). The turnout is going to be historical this year - might even break Obama election records in 2008.

[bladefd]

In the entire history of political signs...has a sign ever swayed a vote? :lol

you go to vote and there is a billion signs all scattered about the entrance...it's just a big massive messy void of nothingness at that point, it doesn't do anything

Waste of money if you ask me and waste of time putting it up..

[rufuspaul]

I just voted too. I don't usually vote this early. My whole family voted too. I made sure of it this time by continuing to push them day after day and we are still 15 days away from the election. I bet I'm not the only one pushing family members to vote early.

As for mail-in-ballots, 30 million people have already voted 15 days before the election (82 million people have requested ballots - 6 states including NY don't report how many people requested ballots so actual number is probably much higher, perhaps 100 million people). The turnout is going to be historical this year - might even break Obama election records in 2008.


My wife and I voted on Friday. 20% of registered voters here have already voted.

[starface]

I just voted too. I don't usually vote this early. My whole family voted too. I made sure of it this time by continuing to push them day after day and we are still 15 days away from the election. I bet I'm not the only one pushing family members to vote early.

As for mail-in-ballots, 30 million people have already voted 15 days before the election (82 million people have requested ballots - 6 states including NY don't report how many people requested ballots so actual number is probably much higher, perhaps 100 million people). The turnout is going to be historical this year - might even break Obama election records in 2008.

How you always manage to sound like the dorkiest kid in a 4th grade class...

Well, it just truly blows me away.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I just voted too. I don't usually vote this early. My whole family voted too. I made sure of it this time by continuing to push them day after day and we are still 15 days away from the election. I bet I'm not the only one pushing family members to vote early.

As for mail-in-ballots, 30 million people have already voted 15 days before the election (82 million people have requested ballots - 6 states including NY don't report how many people requested ballots so actual number is probably much higher, perhaps 100 million people). The turnout is going to be historical this year - might even break Obama election records in 2008.
I was going to mail it in but the wife dragged me to the polls yesterday morning.

[rawimpact]

In the entire history of political signs...has a sign ever swayed a vote? :lol

you go to vote and there is a billion signs all scattered about the entrance...it's just a big massive messy void of nothingness at that point, it doesn't do anything


Those people that stand by the entrance are annoying too. My voting place was actually a county courtroom lol.

Anyways, in Easter NC atleast, they gave away pens instead of the I Voted sticker lol

[Mr. Woke]

Biden is in the lead.

Nice!

[TheMan]

Good thing the NY post has emails on the Biden's China corruption and that docs were released which had hand written John Brennan notes, used to brief Obama about the Hillary campaign going with a strategy to drum up a Russian interference scandal.

You know you're desperate when you are hoping for a game changing October surprise:lol

[TheMan]

Speaking of signs someone put up a huge Trump-Pence sign out in the burbs here. Some kids used duct tape and changed it to Rump-Peenis. Then the Trump peeps tried to fix it using more duct tape so it just became a parody of itself.
:lol

People getting too worked up over a couple of old idiots :facepalm

[TheMan]

I also voted, my vote goes in the state of Texas and that's Trump country

[~primetime~]

USC Dornsife

^^^ that was the ONLY pollster that had Trump as the winner in 2016

Oddly enough, they viewed at as them being the only pollster to get it wrong, because they were polling on popular vote and not electoral college win. USC Dornslife claims the reason is because they had a lopsided number of rural people in their polls in 2016. When they adjusted their 2016 polls to have equal number rural/urban they got a result of Hillary +1 (the actual result of the popular vote)

Today the new and improved USC Dornslife currently has Biden +11

[tpols]

Biden went from a -255 favorite to -150.

If people are putting their money where there mouth is... I dont know... looks like he's rapidly rising and the big debate is tomorrow.

[RRR3]

Biden went from a -255 favorite to -150.

If people are putting their money where there mouth is... I dont know... looks like he's rapidly rising and the big debate is tomorrow.
If Trump was smart he’d try to ram through some populist legislation. Well he did try with the stimulus I’ll give him that but Pelosi blocked it.

[CelticBaller]

If Trump was smart he’d try to ram through some populist legislation. Well he did try with the stimulus I’ll give him that but Pelosi blocked it.

Trump is not a populist lmao

[RRR3]

He’s not but he ran as one in 2016

[~primetime~]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/trump-vs-biden-national-polls-2020-vs-2016/


^^^ Biden 2020 vs Clinton 2016

Biden has a 5 point lead on Hillary at this same time

Looking back at Hillary's polling numbers, they really weren't as stellar as everyone remembers...her polling lead shrank up before the election.

[ZenMaster]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/trump-vs-biden-national-polls-2020-vs-2016/


^^^ Biden 2020 vs Clinton 2016

Biden has a 5 point lead on Hillary at this same time

Looking back at Hillary's polling numbers, they really weren't as stellar as everyone remembers...her polling lead shrank up before the election.

Trump was -5 two weeks ago, -3 last week and +1 today in the Rasmussen poll.

It'll be tight predictions come election day.

[CelticBaller]

Trump was -5 two weeks ago, -3 last week and +1 today in the Rasmussen poll.

It'll be tight predictions come election day.

Rasmussen leans right

[ZenMaster]

Rasmussen leans right

And they also leaned right two weeks ago.

[TheMan]

And they also leaned right two weeks ago.
I'm seriously worried you might do something rash on the evening of Nov 3 :( You've been on quite a streak lately, trying to convince yourself (or us) on how incorruptible Trump is, when Trump has a well know history of shady business connections, it's laughable you even try to make that argument. I am under no impression that Biden doesn't suck, he has no new ideas, just another Neo Liberal Establishment Democrat but I also know Trump has done a horrible job at leading this country through the pandemic, most Americans agree with me yet you truly believe that millions of Americans who didn't vote last time are eager to give Trump 4 more years because...why exactly??? A trashed economy, social unrest not helped at all by the POTUS divisiveness, a pandemic STILL not under control and this guy flat out lying to our face that we are rounding the corner, a vaccine will be available in days :lol We are breaking infections records as I speak...

You know deep down that the estimated 30 million more voters than 2016 isn't a mad rush to give Trump another four years, that or reality gonna hit you like a ton of bricks.

[CelticBaller]

And they also leaned right two weeks ago.

dude I am just telling you the truth. Rasmussen has always leaned right

[AlternativeAcc.]

Trump closing the gap. Dems are TERRIFIED.

Trump will go down as GOAT if he pulls it off again against all odds, with the entire WORLD and media trying to take him down.

Trump will go down as GOAT winner, and I think everyone including his haters will admit this.

[TheMan]

Trump closing the gap. Dems are TERRIFIED.

Trump will go down as GOAT if he pulls it off again against all odds, with the entire WORLD and media trying to take him down.

Trump will go down as GOAT winner, and I think everyone including his haters will admit this.

And when he loses big, will you admit he fukked up his presidency all by himself? Incumbents rarely lose so it will be ROFL when he does in a week :lol

[AlternativeAcc.]

And when he loses big, will you admit he fukked up his presidency all by himself? Incumbents rarely lose so it will be ROFL when he does in a week :lol

All by himself? He's been relentlessly hated on for 5 years straight by the mainstream media. If he loses its the exact opposite of what you laid out.. he loses with the help of the mainstream media relentlessly trying to take him down since day 1.


There's never been a situation like this in the history of the planet. He has everything to gain and nothing to lose. No other way to slice it.

[TheMan]

All by himself? He's been relentlessly hated on for 5 years straight by the mainstream media. If he loses its the exact opposite of what you laid out.. he loses with the help of the mainstream media relentlessly trying to take him down since day 1.


There's never been a situation like this in the history of the planet. He has everything to gain and nothing to lose. No other way to slice it.
The biggest reason why he is about to lose is the fukked up way he handled the pandemic, it's that simple. Had he not acted like an idiot and actually tried to lead the whole country (and not be divisive with his fueds with Democratic governors) he would easily curbstomp Biden, a piss poor candidate. Didn't help him being on tape calling the coronavirus deadly stuff and much worse than the flu and in public saying it's basically the flu...he flat out lies to our faces, bro.

[Axe]

And when he loses big, will you admit he fukked up his presidency all by himself? Incumbents rarely lose so it will be ROFL when he does in a week :lol
If that becomes true, then i think he would be glad somehow because he was still able to serve for a single term without getting impeached at all.

[AlternativeAcc.]

The biggest reason why he is about to lose is the fukked up way he handled the pandemic, it's that simple. Had he not acted like an idiot and actually tried to lead the whole country (and not be divisive with his fueds with Democratic governors) he would easily curbstomp Biden, a piss poor candidate. Didn't help him being on tape calling the coronavirus deadly stuff and much worse than the flu and in public saying it's basically the flu...he flat out lies to our faces, bro.

Trump handled the pandemic fine. Hes listened to the experts, and adjusted on the fly. What else could he have possibly done? Shut down the entire country for a yeae and ruin the economy for years? They would've blamed him for that too. (Which they do... they literally blamed trump for unemployment spiking because of the economic shutdown)

Are you really trying to argue that the media would EVER give Trump any credit? Or not try to paint what he does as the worst thing ever? You're really naive man.

[Patrick Chewing]

My name is TheMan, and I said I’m voting for Trump, but I spend my time bashing Trump and call out those who support Trump.


My name is TheMan and I am muy estupido.

[coin24]

My name is TheMan, and I said I’m voting for Trump, but I spend my time bashing Trump and call out those who support Trump.


My name is TheMan and I am muy estupido.

What a strange guy..

At least he’s not 100% full retard like blade prime and miller though. Yikes talk about brainwashed sheep

[Rocket]

My name is TheMan, and I said I’m voting for Trump, but I spend my time bashing Trump and call out those who support Trump.


My name is TheMan and I am muy estupido.

Is he voting for Trump???

[ZenMaster]

I'm seriously worried you might do something rash on the evening of Nov 3 :( You've been on quite a streak lately, trying to convince yourself (or us) on how incorruptible Trump is, when Trump has a well know history of shady business connections, it's laughable you even try to make that argument. I am under no impression that Biden doesn't suck, he has no new ideas, just another Neo Liberal Establishment Democrat but I also know Trump has done a horrible job at leading this country through the pandemic, most Americans agree with me yet you truly believe that millions of Americans who didn't vote last time are eager to give Trump 4 more years because...why exactly??? A trashed economy, social unrest not helped at all by the POTUS divisiveness, a pandemic STILL not under control and this guy flat out lying to our face that we are rounding the corner, a vaccine will be available in days :lol We are breaking infections records as I speak...

You know deep down that the estimated 30 million more voters than 2016 isn't a mad rush to give Trump another four years, that or reality gonna hit you like a ton of bricks.

Kudos for the attempt at projection, it's interesting to hear from which pov you interpret my posts. I'm a bit lazy with some of them, not adding words - I'll try to explain:

1) I perceive and use information differently than you. I might post a meme from time to time for fun, but I never carry a fan boy mentality towards politics or much else for that matter. You'll hardly ever see me get engaged when you guys start talking about "Little Donny and his mushroom pee pee". If I say "Joe looks like he suffers early stages of dementia", it's because I think he does.

2) What you mention about my reality coming crashing down Nov 3rd is funny, because my posts here are not much about Trump, but much more about corruption of life long politicians. And the last time you and I directly discussed if he'd win, I very clearly expressed that I'm not judging it one way or the other, but will just wait and see.
I'm very much aware and worried that Trump might lose.

3) Same thing goes for the polls. I've clearly expressed that my opinion is that we can't trust them either way, and will just have to wait and see.
You guys were posting poll after poll and talking about how it's in the bag for Biden. So I figured it was interesting for the discussion that one poll which also had Trump losing by 5 just two weeks ago, now has him leading by one. If nothing else, it can be discussed what's going on within that poll group compared to others for there to be that swing.
If I post something from somewhere else, be it a poll or a wild conspiracy theory from 4chan, without adding any opinion myself, it's because I'm interested in what others would think about the same.

4) Not all the information is meant for you. Like the OP of this topic, I understand that through your fanboy mentality, you interpret it as me stating that Trump will win. But if you go back and read, you'll see that e.g I used the words "hopeful" and "love".
At the time of the OP, it was looking quite bad for Trump and there was a lot of talk all over about how Biden will for sure win.
The OP was meant as a message of positivity and to display that Trump supporters are out and not ashamed or afraid to show it.

And lastly, through your fanboy mentality, it all becomes a show to you and you think more about who appears to do best. That's also why you guys are always so focused on the polls and what the media says about various subjects instead of worrying about what happened in reality(news is professionally considered entertainment).

But you're right, I'm worried that the next President will be more or less owned by the CCP, though not to an extent where it affects my focus and personal aspirations.
It's just that sometimes you have to give a little of yourself to the cause, you know. And if taking a few hours of my time to post here and it helps open the eyes of even just a few people to the corruption of the previous administration, I'll have done my part in this election.

If you really want to discuss something where I know that I may sound crazy compared to a lot of other people, check out the post here http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486584-Lets-do-a-thought-experiment&p=14167820&viewfull=1#post14167820

From what I know from my own job along with what I see happening in the world with marketing and messaging, I'm quite confident that we're in the preliminary stages of what is described there.

[TheMan]

My name is TheMan, and I said I’m voting for Trump, but I spend my time bashing Trump and call out those who support Trump.


My name is TheMan and I am muy estupido.

You will use a NAMBLA member's avy :pimp:

[ZenMaster]

Also TheMan, the reason I say that you're projecting in your post is that if Trump loses, everything that I believe to be true will actually come to fruition. Which is that the overall media and communication power is extremely effective and can influence people to a degree never seen before.

If Trump wins, everything you know as reality will be something you have to reconsider. "How could the polls be so wrong, AGAIN?"

Like I said, you're an interesting one. Whenever pressed in a discussion, you always present yourself as being down the middle and display an aura of common sense, but somehow most of all your opinions end up aligning with what they say in main stream media.
You hardly ever post links to back up anything you discuss, I think you only watch the news on TV.

[TheMan]

Also TheMan, the reason I say that you're projecting in your post is that if Trump loses, everything that I believe to be true will actually come to fruition. Which is that the overall media and communication power is extremely effective and can influence people to a degree never seen before.

If Trump wins, everything you know as reality will be something you have to reconsider. "How could the polls be so wrong, AGAIN?"

Like I said, you're an interesting one. Whenever pressed in a discussion, you always present yourself as being down the middle and display an aura of common sense, but somehow most of all your opinions end up aligning with what they say in main stream media.
You hardly ever post links to back up anything you discuss, I think you only watch the news on TV.
I'm only basing my opinions on hard data. We are seeing a massive uptick in voting, are we not? Estimates say as much as 30 million more votes than 2016 and political scientists think that favors Democrats. Early voting is up huge in heavily Democratic areas, so is mail in balloting, check out the numbers in FL for example. Trump loses FL, it's over. I don't even watch MSM, I like Rising with Saajar Enjeti and Krystal Ball, they aren't MSM talking heads, they don't go by the Establishment's talking points, they keep it real.

[TheMan]

Is he voting for Trump???

Not quite, I was leaning Trump because I'm against abortion but I got sick of Trump's circus.

[Mr. Woke]

Trump is an embarrassment.

The Republican Party has lost its mind.

[ZenMaster]

I'm only basing my opinions on hard data. We are seeing a massive uptick in voting, are we not? Estimates say as much as 30 million more votes than 2016 and political scientists think that favors Democrats. Early voting is up huge in heavily Democratic areas, so is mail in balloting, check out the numbers in FL for example. Trump loses FL, it's over. I don't even watch MSM, I like Rising with Saajar Enjeti and Krystal Ball, they aren't MSM talking heads, they don't go by the Establishment's talking points, they keep it real.

There's a ton of different data and without having a team and a time to analyze it all, I just can't have an opinion on it. I'll try shortly explain why and then I want to watch if the Rams can bring my bet home in the 2nd half :applause:

You're right there is data that says that a lot more registered democrats have voted so far this year than in the past. But we don't know just how many voters will be coming out for Trump on Nov 3rd.
I'd be hesitant to call it hard data as well, correct me if I'm wrong, but in a lot of states you can still vote on someone in the opposite party even if you aren't registered to it. Hard data would be what comes from the votes when the ballots are opened.

And there are other kind of data as well which also needs to be considered as potential indicators. Example:

https://www.hitc.com/static/uploads/2020/10/google-trends-1024x447.jpg

And this guy, who works a lot with interesting data and apparently projected 49/50 states correctly in 2016. Yes the report is a month old and he'll come with a new one, but at that time it was still going against what regular polling suggests:
https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/us-election-data-guru-bela-stantic-reveals-donald-trump-is-on-track-to-win-again/news-story/cc04c8525c3046c2387092d2cfaafa38

And a bunch of other indicators as well which may or may not be correct.

So my opinion is still the same, that I can come up with too many potential issues to not trust the polls, so I don't care to shape my opinion around them.
They're not a scoreboard, but an attempt at a projection - and if I check the polls or not, in the end the result will still be the same.

[Axe]

Is he voting for Trump???
Every american citizen has a right to not vote for him if they don't want to.

[TheMan]

There's a ton of different data and without having a team and a time to analyze it all, I just can't have an opinion on it. I'll try shortly explain why and then I want to watch if the Rams can bring my bet home in the 2nd half :applause:

You're right there is data that says that a lot more registered democrats have voted so far this year than in the past. But we don't know just how many voters will be coming out for Trump on Nov 3rd.
I'd be hesitant to call it hard data as well, correct me if I'm wrong, but in a lot of states you can still vote on someone in the opposite party even if you aren't registered to it. Hard data would be what comes from the votes when the ballots are opened.

And there are other kind of data as well which also needs to be considered as potential indicators. Example:

https://www.hitc.com/static/uploads/2020/10/google-trends-1024x447.jpg

And this guy, who works a lot with interesting data and apparently projected 49/50 states correctly in 2016. Yes the report is a month old and he'll come with a new one, but at that time it was still going against what regular polling suggests:
https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/us-election-data-guru-bela-stantic-reveals-donald-trump-is-on-track-to-win-again/news-story/cc04c8525c3046c2387092d2cfaafa38

And a bunch of other indicators as well which may or may not be correct.

So my opinion is still the same, that I can come up with too many potential issues to not trust the polls, so I don't care to shape my opinion around them.
They're not a scoreboard, but an attempt at a projection - and if I check the polls or not, in the end the result will still be the same.
We should do an election prediction thread, based not on who you want to win but an unbiased prediction on who you think will win. Simply put, there are more registered Democrats, more people voting by common sense means more Democrats voting...there is a reason Democrats push for people to vote while Republicans typically try to suppress voting.

[Patrick Chewing]

Is he voting for Trump???

He supports Trump, but hates the guy and then on top of that, hates anyone who supports Trump. So in essence, he hates himself. TheMan is certifiably insane. Glad he's not on this side of the fence.

[TheMan]

He supports Trump, but hates the guy and then on top of that, hates anyone who supports Trump. So in essence, he hates himself. TheMan is certifiably insane. Glad he's not on this side of the fence.
Saying that I support some of Trump's policies hardly makes me a Trump supporter, in fact I oppose most of his run of the mill GOP stances, how bout that, jack? Second, I don't hate him at all, I think he's a toxic idiot but I don't hate him (hate is too strong a word). In fact, I hope he finds salvation for his wicked ways before it's too late, same for you. :cheers:

[Rocket]

Not quite, I was leaning Trump because I'm against abortion but I got sick of Trump's circus.


Other than some Tweets and occasional dumb statements the "circus" is mostly media generated and all based on lies and half truths. You really need to change which media you use for information. They push narratives rather than reporting the news. They will tell "A" story but not "THE" story. For example they gaslighted the public for three years on a the Russia collusion hoax which was created out of nothing but thin air.

[TheMan]

Other than some Tweets and occasional dumb statements the "circus" is mostly media generated and all based on lies and half truths. You really need to change which media you use for information. They push narratives rather than reporting the news. They will tell "A" story but not "THE" story. For example they gaslighted the public for three years on a the Russia collusion hoax which was created out of nothing but thin air.

I know people who died from covid19. Trump is not honest with us, he's on tape telling Woodward something and us something else. He lied to us, it's on tape and he continues to lie about us turning the corner. Had it not been for his shitty management of the pandemic, I would've voted for him holding my nose, instead I voted for the other dope...holding my nose.

[Luka Doncic]

They predicted 2 million deaths this time.

Either it’s serious or not serious. Take your pick.

Trump prevented the estimated 2 million.

If not serious then state Governors better answer why the 7 months of lockdown, depression, suicide rates, drugs and alcohol and most importantly businesses and livelihoods gone.

[Axe]

Sure but then again, uncle sam has over a million cases already lmao.

[TheMan]

They predicted 2 million deaths this time.

Either it’s serious or not serious. Take your pick.

Trump prevented the estimated 2 million.

If not serious then state Governors better answer why the 7 months of lockdown, depression, suicide rates, drugs and alcohol and most importantly businesses and livelihoods gone.

2 million if they did absolutely nothing and let the virus burn through, Trump predicted 60-70 thousand if they did a great job...we are heading towards 300 thousand in a few weeks, you tell me.

[Patrick Chewing]

I know people who died from covid19. Trump is not honest with us, he's on tape telling Woodward something and us something else. He lied to us, it's on tape and he continues to lie about us turning the corner. Had it not been for his shitty management of the pandemic, I would've voted for him holding my nose, instead I voted for the other dope...holding my nose.

Trump did everything he was asked of from the experts. Like, this reality is somehow just not sinking in for you. To say "his shitty management" makes no sense and has no basis in actual fact. You've heard that 2.2 million number being floated around, right? Well, that number wasn't just created out of thin air. That would have been the amount of deaths had nothing been done.

So to understand the meaning of that figure, and then to say Trump mishandled this, makes no goddamn sense at all.


The United States is the size of Europe. With a country as large and as expanse as the United States is, it's a miracle there haven't been millions of deaths from this virus so far.

[BigKobeFan]

2 million if they did absolutely nothing and let the virus burn through, Trump predicted 60-70 thousand if they did a great job...we are heading towards 300 thousand in a few weeks, you tell me.

2m was best case scenario idiot. The worst case do nothing was half the poppulation

[Patrick Chewing]

The only acceptable amount of deaths from COVID-19 for Liberals like TheMan would have been zero deaths. They literally think Trump could have prevented all deaths from happening if he wasn't "mishandling" this. :lol

[ZenMaster]

With so many votes already having been sent in, what kind of turnout are Democrats expecting on election day?

[TheMan]

2m was best case scenario idiot. The worst case do nothing was half the poppulation

Link, you schmuck? Here's mine you animal...from the Cato Institute.


When it came to dealing with an unexpected surge in infections and deaths from SARS-CoV-2 (the virus causing COVID-19 symptoms), federal and state policymakers understandably sought guidance from competing epidemiological computer models. On March 16, a 20-page report from Neil Ferguson's team at Imperial College London quickly gathered enormous attention by producing enormous death estimates. Dr. Ferguson had previously publicized almost equally sensational death estimates from mad cow disease, bird flu and swine flu.


The New York Times quickly ran the hot news about this new COVID-19 estimate:

The report, which warned that an uncontrolled spread of the disease could cause as many as 510,000 deaths in Britain, triggered a sudden shift in the government’s comparatively relaxed response to the virus. American officials said the report, which projected up to 2.2 million deaths in the United States from such a spread, also influenced the White House to strengthen its measures to isolate members of the public.

A month later that 2.2 million estimate was still being used (without revealing the source) by President Trump and Doctors Fauci and Birx to imply that up to two million lives had been saved by state lockdowns and business closings and/or by federal travel bans.

The following summary of the Ferguson/Imperial College report provides clues about how the model came to generate such dramatic conclusions:

In the (unlikely) absence of any control measures or spontaneous changes in individual behavior, we would expect a peak in mortality (daily deaths) to occur after approximately 3 months. In such scenarios, given an estimated R0 of 2.4, we predict 81% of the G.B. and U.S. populations would be infected over the course of the epidemic. . . In total, in an unmitigated epidemic, we would predict approximately 510,000 deaths in G.B. and 2.2 million in the U.S., not accounting for the potential negative effects of health systems being overwhelmed on mortality.

This worst-case simulation came up with 2.2 million deaths by simply assuming that 81% of the population gets infected *–268 million people– and that 0.9% of them die. It did not assume health systems would have to be overwhelmed to result in so many deaths, though it did make that prediction.

Neither the high infection rate nor the high fatality rate holds up under scrutiny.

You can read the whole article here, but it may be too complicated for such a feeble mind as yours...

https://www.cato.org/blog/how-one-model-simulated-22-million-us-deaths-covid-19

Trump's own words...



In just under four months, more than 100,000 Americans are now reported to have died from the novel coronavirus, a grim milestone President Donald Trump once suggested the country would never see.

Roughly a month ago, Trump, at a White House task force briefing, said, "It looks like we'll be at about a 60,000 mark, which is 40,000 less than the lowest number thought of."

A few days later, on April 24, he again sought to highlight a lesser number: "Minimal numbers were going to be 100,000 people. And we're going to be, hopefully, far below that."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/trump-downplaying-deaths-claimed-us-100000-milestone/story%3fid=70888441

Don't know why I even bother engaging with you, you are clearly borderline retarded and worse of all, you are a bonehead, when presented with facts, you move the goalposts and bury your head in the sand. Trump claimed we would see far less coronavirus deaths than what we are now at, so obviously he hasn't done a good job at leading the country through this pandemic, right?

[ZenMaster]

Dumb rioter gets shot with by cannister or rubber bullet by police and makes it into a Trump campaign video, ruthless :oldlol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJDXj6-54wE&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=DonaldJTrump

[BigKobeFan]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/coronavirus-deaths-estimate.amp.html

Experts ran 4 scenarios. Death ranged from 2.4m to 17m. Read again. The low side is 2.4m

**** it. Im gonna say it now. Trump saved 16.8m lives

[Nanners]

Here in liberal Portland, the number of silent Trumpers who have come out to me in the past month or two has been really surprising (Outside of anonymous forums like this place, I am basically a silent Trumper myself).

The antifa riots and the covid lockdowns seem to basically be the top 2 most important issues for most people here, and there are a LOT of left-minded folks who hate the rioters and oppose the lockdowns... and many of them feel so strongly about this that they seem to be breaking free from their "orange man bad" programming. Many of these folks are lifelong dems that are voting R for the first time, and not just for president but across the board.

One of the downsides to the dems strategy of relentlessly attacking/shaming/cancelling anyone who expresses anything that is remotely pro Trump is that it has made it impossible to accurately gauge how much support Trump really has.

[Mr. Woke]

The Trumpster fire is in shambles!

[KennyPowers]

The Trumpster fire is in shambles!
Such a coward that he even hides behind a second anonymous username.. wouldn't want his fake online ish basketball friends to knowhow he really ia because they will abandoned him like his dad. The result of being raised by a single mother teenage thot.

[Mr. Woke]

Such a coward that he even hides behind a second anonymous username.. wouldn't want his fake online ish basketball friends to knowhow he really ia because they will abandoned him like his dad. The result of being raised by a single mother teenage thot.

What are you talking about cracker?

Keep sucking Trump's ass, you pathetic MAGAtard.