So, is Lebron GOAT?

[iamgine]

4 Championships
4 Finals MVPs
4 MVPs
16x All NBA
6x All Defense
16x All Star
10x Finals appearance

GOAT or NOT?

[r0drig0lac]

No

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Numero dos~

[And1AllDay]

most finals mvps in the modern unbanned zone era so i say yes

prehistoric leader = russell (caveman era)
banned zone leader = mike (primates era)
unbanned zone leader = bran (modern era)

[AlternativeAcc.]

Been GOAT since 2016


this is just a victory lap

[Proctor]

GOAT? :roll:

[Axe]

He the sheep.

Some highly excellent ever player

[bullettooth]

LOL, no he's not.

[Manny98]

Been GOAT since 2016


this is just a victory lap
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[And1AllDay]

Been GOAT since 2016


this is just a victory lap

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[Tobio-Star]

He is LeTop1 and Kobe is 2nd. Baldan who?

[AlternativeAcc.]

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[Shooter]

Been GOAT since 2016


this is just a victory lap


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[Spurs m8]

Not even close lol

[LoneyROY7]

It's LeOfficial.

[Shooter]

Not even close lol

Vote up lil Aussie Hoe, it's 9 to 4

[JebronLames]

this championship is worth 3 chips, and no protection from the refs like MJ. with protection from ref LeGOAT averages a 35 point triple double.

[Cyrus334]

Nope.

[LoneyROY7]

Quatro with the early 12-4 lead.

[Roundball_Rock]

That has he won with 3 completely different franchises is impressive. More impressive than the raw ring count--no one else has done that.

I have it KAJ, MJ, LeBron 1-2-3 in that order.

[Shooter]

Nope.

I hate to tell you but this was it for most

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[HylianNightmare]

No

[Axe]

That has he won with 3 completely different franchises is impressive. More impressive than the raw ring count--no one else has done that.

I have it KAJ, MJ, LeBron 1-2-3 in that order.
Didn't robert horry won with three different teams as well back then? And john salley, too.

[Bronbron23]

4 Championships
4 Finals MVPs
4 MVPs
16x All NBA
6x All Defense
16x All Star
10x Finals appearance

GOAT or NOT?

Nah but he's that much closer. 5 would tie him with mj imo. I give him extra credit for 16.

[DoctorP]

Has lebron surpassed Magic Johnson? Maybe

[Kiddlovesnets]

Nope, hes lost his chance since 2007 after losing in the Finals. MJ has a perfect finals record, the 100% finals winning percentage is a prerequisite for GOAT conversation. Any players who have lost once in the Finals, are automatically disqualified from GOAT discussion.

[Kblaze8855]

Nobody is gonna have a better career than Russell and I’ve not seen a better player than Jordan. Best combo of the two is Jordan or Kareem if you want to outright pretend Russell didn’t exist.

[LoneyROY7]

Nope, hes lost his chance since 2007 after losing in the Finals. MJ has a perfect finals record, the 100% finals winning percentage is a prerequisite for GOAT conversation. Any players who have lost once in the Finals, are automatically disqualified from GOAT discussion.

Remember when you said the only chance the Lakers win is if AD is the FMVP?

:(

[3ball]

Sort by production rate (BPM, PER, WS/48, VORP seasons) and Finals record

Lebron #11 all-time due to his 4 WWE rings that required stacking the deck (talent-based winning.. never learned the best brand/way to play)

[Shaquille O'Neal]

No. Long way to go yet. 40% winning percentage in the finals. Still hasn't won a chip in a full season without a teammate bailout.

[Shooter]

Sort by production rate (BPM, PER, WS/48, VORP seasons) and Finals record

Lebron #11 all-time due to his 4 WWE rings that required stacking the deck (talent-based winning.. never learned the best brand/way to play)

Your tears are delicious

Let them flow in 3...2....

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[Shooter]

No. Long way to go yet. 40% winning percentage in the finals. Still hasn't won a chip in a full season without a teammate bailout.

Your tears are delicious

Let them flow in 3...2....

ONE

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[AlternativeAcc.]

Your tears are delicious

Let them flow in 3...2....

ONE

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[Roundball_Rock]

Your tears are delicious

Let them flow in 3...2....

ONE

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[Shaquille O'Neal]

Congrats on beating a 5th seed Miami team with their #1 scoring option injured and out the first 5 games. A team without superstars.
Should have swept. This does nothing with regards to all-time rank - still, like Kenny said, probably around #8 or #9.

[Keno]

Considering he has the 2 hardest and greatest rings, yes.

[GoSpursGo1984]

When you have to jump from team to team and recruit other players to your team to win and you still lose in the Finals you can not be GOAT.

[LAmbruh]

Your tears are delicious

Let them flow in 3...2....

ONE

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[Manny98]

Your tears are delicious

Let them flow in 3...2....

ONE

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:roll:

[Carbine]

Nobody is gonna have a better career than Russell and I’ve not seen a better player than Jordan. Best combo of the two is Jordan or Kareem if you want to outright pretend Russell didn’t exist.

You don't think LeBron is equal to or greater than Kareem in that combo?

[OldSchoolBBall]

Number 2-4.

[sdot_thadon]

He has a pretty good argument now, but it depends on who you ask.

[TheGoatest]

Jordan = GOAT
Kareem = GOATer
LeBron = The GOATest

[RRR3]

Yes.

[3ball]

He has a pretty good argument now, but it depends on who you ask.

The consensus is still MJ and that 6 > 4 and production rate > cumulative

and being bad at winning Finals kills long run championship expectation... aka being good at winning Finals (6/6) provides a better long run championship expectation than being good at winning conference finals (4/10)

i.e. a skillset that allows the best brand will yield a better long run championship expectation than a skillset/brand that struggles on the championship level and only excels on conference finals level

[Axe]

The consensus is still MJ and that 6 > 4 and production rate > cumulative

And being good at winning Finals (6/6) provides a better long run championship expectation than being good at winning conference finals (4/10)

i.e. a skillset that allows the best brand will yield a better long run championship expectation than a skillset/brand that struggles on the championship level..
Are u on hemorrhage

[Shooter]

It's looking pretty good bois

MJ stan pantalones are FULL

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I think it's safe to

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[Cali Syndicate]

Congrats on beating a 5th seed Miami team with their #1 scoring option injured and out the first 5 games. A team without superstars.
Should have swept. This does nothing with regards to all-time rank - still, like Kenny said, probably around #8 or #9.

Agree with you except last sentence. Lebron is easily top 5. Easily.

[3ball]

Are u on hemorrhage

Lebron has an Achilles heel - ball movement teams like Spurs, Warriors, and Mavs..

Jordan had no Achilles heel because his team WAS the ball movement team, 6/6

Struggling on the championship level lowers long run championship expectation

[TheCorporation]

It's looking pretty good bois

MJ stan pantalones are FULL

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I think it's safe to

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I love this forum damn

[1987_Lakers]

Lebron has an Achilles heel - ball movement teams like Spurs, Warriors, and Mavs..

Jordan had no Achilles heel because his team WAS the ball movement team, 6/6

Struggling on the championship level lowers long run championship expectation

Except LeBron beat the Spurs and Warriors, he also just beat a team with ball movement in Miami who had the best assist/to ratio in the playoffs.

Carry on.

[TheCorporation]

Except LeBron beat the Spurs and Warriors, he also just beat a team with ball movement in Miami who had the best assist/to ratio in the playoffs.

Carry on.

HeavyHitter1987

[Roundball_Rock]

Except LeBron beat the Spurs and Warriors, he also just beat a team with ball movement in Miami who had the best assist/to ratio in the playoffs.

Carry on.

Beat dynasties and the OKC 3 that would have been a dynasty if they kept Harden.

[sdot_thadon]

The consensus is still MJ and that 6 > 4 and production rate > cumulative

and being bad at winning Finals kills long run championship expectation... aka being good at winning Finals (6/6) provides a better long run championship expectation than being good at winning conference finals (4/10)

i.e. a skillset that allows the best brand will yield a better long run championship expectation than a skillset/brand that struggles on the championship level and only excels on conference finals level

Not really sure you can call it a consensus when its debated daily. And the fact you have so many thousands of posts dedicated to the subject also says otherwise.

[k 96]

Everyone and there grandmother knew the Lakers would win this year. ESPN/NBA got rid of the problem, to make sure Bron is the ONLY face of L.A. It was written in stone, as soon as L.A. got him from Cleveland. The Lakers would win the 2020 NBA Championship. NBA Rigged as a mother facker.

[Roundball_Rock]

Not really sure you can call it a consensus when its debated daily. And the fact you have so many thousands of posts dedicated to the subject also says otherwise.

He is insane. He thinks the consensus was that Derrick Coleman was a top 5 player in 1994. He lives in Jordanstan, not the real world.

[Shooter]

100%

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Dagger

[TheCorporation]

100%

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Dagger

Bingo

Lock it up

Top 1

[3ball]

Not really sure you can call it a consensus when its debated daily. And the fact you have so many thousands of posts dedicated to the subject also says otherwise.
The polls are lying?

70-80% of people say MJ is goat based on most polls

And my posts inform people of the historical record.. I'm not debating.. it's like when we used to discuss defensive 3 seconds.. I was right on that and your arguments look pretty silly right now - so it's like I said back then - I was informing you of the record, not debating

Ultimately, production rate IS better than cumulative for increasing championship expectation.. this is simple fact . But carry on with the fraud

[Cali Syndicate]

100%

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Dagger

Just curious. Who's an all time great caliber player that has jumped around all throughout their prime like lebron has?

[1987_Lakers]

100%

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Dagger

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[Roundball_Rock]

Cut the BS, 1-9ball. You are melting down because you fear LeBron has taken the GOAT belt from your childhood hero.

[Shooter]

The polls are lying?

70-80% of people say MJ is goat based on most polls

And my posts inform people of the historical record.. I'm not debating.. it's like when we used to discuss defensive 3 seconds.. I was right on that and your arguments look pretty silly right now - so it's like I said back then - I was informing you of the record, not debating

Ultimately, production rate IS better than cumulative for increasing championship expectation.. this is simple fact . But carry on with the fraud

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[3ball]

Cut the BS, 1-9ball. You are melting down because you fear LeBron has taken the GOAT belt from your childhood hero.

I don't fear anything because Lebron is a beginner jumpshooter compared to Jordan.. And his skillset imposes spot-up shooter roles - this doesn't develop good brand or young players, therefore requiring ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning)..

talent-based winning has a lower long-run championship expectation, wouldn't you agree?

So again, no fear because it's clear his SKILLS are inferior, and this is supported by his lower rate of production and winning.

[Shooter]

Just curious. Who's an all time great caliber player that has jumped around all throughout their prime like lebron has?

Um. Many?

Kawhi Leonard: 3 teams in 4 years
Paul George: 3 teams in 4 years
Kyrie Irving: 3 teams in 4 years
Kevin Durant: 3 teams in 4 years
Chris Paul: 3 teams in 4 years
Jimmy Butler: 4 teams in 4 years
Dwight Howard: 3 teams in 3 years
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LeBron: 3 teams in 18 years...

Are you joking or just really didn't know? :lol


The better question is asking who has made 3 Finals with 3 different teams. That would be harder because that's what it would take to do what LeBron has done. None of them have done that.

[Meticode]

He's officially in my Top 3. I think if he gets the scoring title from Jabber he'll move into Top 2. I can't debate him into the GOAT unless he at least gets as many rings in as M.J. in my mind as the main part of the team.

[TheCorporation]

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[3ball]

Um. Many?

Kawhi Leonard: 3 teams in 4 years
Paul George: 3 teams in 4 years
Kyrie Irving: 3 teams in 4 years
Kevin Durant: 3 teams in 4 years
Chris Paul: 3 teams in 4 years
Jimmy Butler: 4 teams in 4 years
Dwight Howard: 3 teams in 3 years
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LeBron: 3 teams in 18 years...

Are you joking or just really didn't know? :lol


The better question is asking who has made 3 Finals with 3 different teams. That would be harder because that's what it would take to do what LeBron has done. None of them have done that.

Lebron teamed up with all the best players, and therefore deserves no credit.. you guys are a joke

Nash or CP3 would have more rings if they got Bosh/Wade or AD or Kyrie/Love

It's a joke to pretend that the 3 teams thing is impressive

[Shooter]

Lebron teamed up with all the best players, and therefore deserves no credit.. you guys are a joke

Nash or CP3 would have more rings if they got Bosh/Wade or AD or Kyrie/Love

It's a joke to pretend that the 3 teams thing is impressive

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[Pipes2.0]

GOAT 1A LeBron (won without wade, kyrie, AD)
GOAT IB Jordan (No Pip, No chip)
3 Kareem
4 Bill Russell
5 Wilt
6 Magic
7 Bird
8 Duncan
9 Shaq
10 Hakeem
11 Oscar
12 Kobe

[ELITEpower23]

It's LeOfficial.

+1

After this performance yes.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Indeed. The Greatest

[DirkNowitzki41]

Yes. LeBron is the GOAT. At the very least it's a 1a 1b thing with Jordan. But to anyone acting like it isn't close or that he has no chance, then IDK what to tell ya. Appreciate him while he's playing at this level.

[coin24]

Only in the retarded mind of wonder wheels is this the case..

4/10... not exactly as dominant as 6/6 now is it?


Poor LeTiny

[Gus Hemmingway]

Only in the retarded mind of wonder wheels is this the case..

4/10... not exactly as dominant as 6/6 now is it?


Poor LeTiny

Cashew....

[Gray GOAT]

We've done it boys. :cheers: LeConsensus. 2016 was the nail in the coffin, 2020 is the year of mass acceptance.

[Mauzah]

It's Michael Jordan.

No need to list the rings or accolades, just say the mans name and that's all you need to know.

[TheCorporation]

It's Michael Jordan.

No need to list the rings or accolades, just say the mans name and that's all you need to know.

So far you're wrong

GOAT = 32
NO = 23

[TheCorporation]

We've done it boys. :cheers: LeConsensus. 2016 was the nail in the coffin, 2020 is the year of mass acceptance.

THAT AVY THO

Yes indeed, we did it :cheers:

[coin24]

So far you're wrong

GOAT = 32
NO = 23


30 of Letinys votes are from your alts f@ggot:lol

In reality only basement bound forever last placers like yourself believe it..

[GrayGoat]

30 of Letinys votes are from your alts f@ggot:lol

In reality only basement bound forever last placers like yourself believe it..

Why are you not happy that “your Lakers” won? You are strange

[TheCorporation]

30 of Letinys votes are from your alts f@ggot:lol

In reality only basement bound forever last placers like yourself believe it..

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[Sulico]

No, Bill Russell is, but Jordan vs Lebron debate is pretty much over for everybody except Jordan stans.

[3BallSucks]

He's been the GOAT since 2016.

[Manny98]

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[Manny98]

He's been the GOAT since 2016.

He was arguably the GOAT after 2016

Now it's not really a discussion anymore, the poll speaks for itself :applause:

[ImKobe]

He's not, don't let Simon's bots fool you.

[Tobio-Star]

This is old news now. Hes been the GOAT ever since he touched an NBA court

[Jasper]

heard he is headed to the Suns , to get them a chip now

[And1AllDay]

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[Basketball IQ]

He's officially in my Top 3. I think if he gets the scoring title from Jabber he'll move into Top 2. I can't debate him into the GOAT unless he at least gets as many rings in as M.J. in my mind as the main part of the team.

Then why isn't Russell in your top 3? He has more rings that Jabbar, Lebron, and Russell.

[Real14]

Hell no!

[3ball]

Then why isn't Russell in your top 3? He has more rings that Jabbar, Lebron, and Russell.

Since the 3-point line was invented, all 40 league MVPs have been dominant offensive players, so we know that Russell wouldn't MVP-caliber in the modern era.

So for the modern era, MJ has the most rings as the best player (2nd place has 3)

Also, russell had 8 HOF teammates and won rings averaging 11 ppg/not leading his team

[Manny98]

Since the 3-point line was invented, all 40 league MVPs have been dominant offensive players, so we know that Russell wouldn't MVP-caliber in the modern era.

So for the modern era, MJ has the most rings as the best player (2nd place has 3)

Also, russell had 8 HOF teammates and won rings averaging 11 ppg/not leading his team
The official modern era started with the introduction of zone defense rules, so LeBron has the most rings of the modern era

[Nash]

If Lebron and MJ played in the same team, Lebron would be the FMVP. That tells you all you need about this discussion.

[3ball]

If Lebron and MJ played in the same team, Lebron would be the FMVP. That tells you all you need about this discussion.

Lol lebron is a pippen

Jordan averaged 4-5 more in the playoffs than everyone in history, with better efficiency per possession - so everyone would be mj's 2nd option

[RRR3]

Since the 3-point line was invented, all 40 league MVPs have been dominant offensive players, so we know that Russell wouldn't MVP-caliber in the modern era.

So for the modern era, MJ has the most rings as the best player (2nd place has 3)

Also, russell had 8 HOF teammates and won rings averaging 11 ppg/not leading his team
Um 2nd place has 4. Bron just won yesterday.

[And1AllDay]

The official modern era started with the introduction of zone defense rules, so LeBron has the most rings of the modern era

+1

issa wrap bois

[Nash]

Lol lebron is a pippen

Jordan averaged 4-5 more in the playoffs than everyone in history, with better efficiency per possession - so everyone would be mj's 2nd option

GTFOH, Lebron would average a 30 point triple double while MJ's inefficient ass would be used to score when Lebron is out. lol at thinking a dude scoring 30ppg on 40% in Lebron's team would be allowed.

[BlakFrankWhite]

He's not, don't let Simon's bots fool you.

I haven't used my alts in years dude.

[3ball]

GTFOH, Lebron would average a 30 point triple double




By your logic, Westbrook would make MJ a 2nd option too lolyou guys are a joke





while MJ's inefficient ass would be used to score when Lebron is out. lol at thinking a dude scoring 30ppg on 40% in Lebron's team would be allowed.
And then you're lying about Jordan's stats, so just a horrible post by you that was easily destroyed

Carry on with the fraud

[Meticode]

Then why isn't Russell in your top 3? He has more rings that Jabbar, Lebron, and Russell.

It's a combination of factors for me. Which is why I mentioned him passing Jabber for the scoring title will put him on #2 for me if he gets no more rings. His list of accomplishments and records add into that. Rings aren't the only factor, but they are the major factor when you're talking about the Top 10 in general. If they were the only factor Robert Horry would be in the Top 5 with his 7 rings.

In the end he's going to finish with 35,000+ pounds, 10,000+ rebounds and 10,000+ assists for his career. No player ever has done that. He's the only player ever to lead both teams in all 5 major statistical categories in the finals in points, assists, blocks, rebounds and steals.

I think the biggest factor that puts him into the Top 5 if you look at everything was just the fact that he won it in Cleveland. Won it showing up in that Finals, against the best regular season team in NBA history and won it being down 3-1. The first time ever.

[RRR3]

It's a combination of factors for me. Which is why I mentioned him passing Jabber for the scoring title will put him on #2 for me if he gets no more rings. His list of accomplishments and records add into that. Rings aren't the only factor, but they are the major factor when you're talking about the Top 10 in general. If they were the only factor Robert Horry would be in the Top 5 with his 7 rings.

In the end he's going to finish with 35,000+ pounds, 10,000+ rebounds and 10,000+ assists for his career. No player ever has done that. He's the only player ever to lead both teams in all 5 major statistical categories in the finals in points, assists, blocks, rebounds and steals.

I think the biggest factor that puts him into the Top 5 if you look at everything was just the fact that he won it in Cleveland. Won it showing up in that Finals, against the best regular season team in NBA history and won it being down 3-1. The first time ever.
Yeah nothing is topping 2016. He was great this year and he’s still the best player in the league, but he absolutely has declined even from as recently as 2018.

[3ball]

Yeah nothing is topping 2016. He was great this year and he’s still the best player in the league, but he absolutely has declined even from as recently as 2018.

If rik smits outplayed shaq in the 00' Finals, would we say Miller had a goat accomplishment by winning that series?.. or if kenyon outplayed duncan in 03', would Kidd have a goat accomplishment? So why should lebron get credit?.. You can do this for any Finals...

Kyrie outplayed Curry, so lebron should get knocked for needing 7 games.. he only needed 7 games because he wet the bed for the first 4 (24 and 6 TO's).. similarly, he averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games of the 13' Finals, and therefore needed Ray Allen to force game 7

[RRR3]

If rik smits outplayed shaq in the 00' Finals, would we say Miller had a goat accomplishment by winning that series?.. or if kenyon outplayed duncan in 03', would Kidd have a goat accomplishment? So why should lebron get credit?.. You can do this for any Finals...

Kyrie outplayed Curry, so lebron should get knocked for needing 7 games.. he only needed 7 games because he wet the bed for the first 4 (24 and 6 TO's).. similarly, he averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games of the 13' Finals, and therefore needed Ray Allen to force game 7
Steaming.

[PeroAntic]

hey 3ball...

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Lebron is a solid #2 at this point, leapfrogging Kareem. This title was big for his legacy, because of the circumstances and all. However he was still heavily helped by AD, and when you factor in 2011, collusions and not even making the playoffs last year, nah he's still not at MJ's level. Sorry bran stans, another ring and FMVP and we revise the case ;)

[Patrick Chewing]

The board is full of teenage c*nts.

[RRR3]

The board is full of teenage c*nts.
Quiet fatty. Lose some weight.

[guy]

No he's not. He's great though. I'd probably put him above Kareem at this point to be my no. 3 behind Jordan and Russell.

I look at things other than ring count and resume (I think its just evidence of greatness vs the other way around) but if you're going to go that route, I'm not exactly sure what he accomplished this year in terms of his resume that would make him the GOAT.

[Indian guy]

This is a win-win for me. MJ and LeBron are far and away my 2 favorite players ever.

MJ to me has always been the better player. And it has very little to do with RANGZ, which is a lazy argument for the casual/ignorant fan. The rings are a byproduct of MJ's superiority, sure, but even if he had retired in 1993 for good with just 3, I'd still rank him above LeBron. And that's no knock on LeBron. He has clearly solidified himself as #2 all time.

[Manny98]

No he's not. He's great though. I'd probably put him above Kareem at this point to be my no. 3 behind Jordan and Russell.

I look at things other than ring count and resume (I think its just evidence of greatness vs the other way around) but if you're going to go that route, I'm not exactly sure what he accomplished this year in terms of his resume that would make him the GOAT.
Most playoff wins, check

Most points by a landslide

Most NBA 1st teams

Most 30+ PER championship runs

Most finals as the best player

Greatest prime in basketball

What else does LeBron need to do at this point?

Jordan may have a slightly better peak which even that is debatable but LeBron takes a massive dump on MJ in terms of career longevity and statistical dominance

[StrongLurk]

No trolling, I have him cemented as second best of all time. I had him 3rd behind Kareem before this year.

For me personally, I think the best Bron can do is to go from second best all time to 1b all time (Mj being 1a).

Lebron can't really SURPASS MJ in my mind, Bron missed too many chances to do that in his career. For now I have MJ in his OWN TIER, but Lebron has potential to join that tier.

[StrongLurk]

This is a win-win for me. MJ and LeBron are far and away my 2 favorite players ever.

MJ to me has always been the better player. And it has very little to do with RANGZ, which is a lazy argument for the casual/ignorant fan. The rings are a byproduct of MJ's superiority, sure, but even if he had retired in 1993 for good with just 3, I'd still rank him above LeBron. And that's no knock on LeBron. He has clearly solidified himself as #2 all time.

These are my thoughts as well. MJ and Lebron are both my favorite...MJ was the reason I got into basketball even as an elementary school kid, he was like a GOD to me in the late 90's...and Lebron I actually got to watch his whole career since I was in 8th grade when Bron was a rookie...two Mount Rushmore players.

[guy]

Most playoff wins, check

Most points by a landslide

Most NBA 1st teams

Most 30+ PER championship runs

Most finals as the best player

Greatest prime in basketball

What else does LeBron need to do at this point?

Jordan may have a slightly better peak which even that is debatable but LeBron takes a massive dump on MJ in terms of career longevity and statistical dominance

Most finals (not championships) as the best player? Most playoff career wins? No one ever paid attention to half that shit before it became talking points for Lebron.

Jordan has more championships, more FMVPs, and more regular season MVPs. These are things people have argued about in terms of "resume" forever. There's nothing Lebron did to surpass those, just get closer.

[GrayGoat]

Most finals (not championships) as the best player? Most playoff career wins? No one ever paid attention to half that shit before it became talking points for Lebron.

Jordan has more championships, more FMVPs, and more regular season MVPs. These are things people have argued about in terms of "resume" forever. There's nothing Lebron did to surpass those, just get closer.

Tougher era and Lebrons stats are arguably better. LeBron and MJ are 1A / 1B

[Manny98]

Most finals (not championships) as the best player? Most playoff career wins? No one ever paid attention to half that shit before it became talking points for Lebron.

Jordan has more championships, more FMVPs, and more regular season MVPs. These are things people have argued about in terms of "resume" forever. There's nothing Lebron did to surpass those, just get closer.

Bill Russell also has more championships

FMVPs are meaningless when LeBron has been the best player in 8 finals and MJ won finals MVPs shooting 41% from the field and averaging 4 rebounds and 2 assists

LeBron has passed Jordan statistically and the gap is only extending at this point

[PeroAntic]

LeBron has passed Jordan statistically and the gap is only extending at this point
Yeah except that its not just about 'statistically' as it is also not just about the ring count

[Manny98]

Yeah except that its not just about 'statistically' as it is also not just about the ring count
Exactly so there is no clear GOAT, both LeBron and MJ have strong arguments at this point.

[bison]

Not the GOAT, but LeBron will have the had the best career out of any player when it’s already said and done. In fact we could arguably make that claim now.

[bison]

Yeah except that its not just about 'statistically' as it is also not just about the ring count

This. I don’t know how anyone can love this sport while just seeing it as a bunch of numbers on paper. This seems to be a thing with new fans though.

[sdot_thadon]

Most finals (not championships) as the best player? Most playoff career wins? No one ever paid attention to half that shit before it became talking points for Lebron.

Jordan has more championships, more FMVPs, and more regular season MVPs. These are things people have argued about in terms of "resume" forever. There's nothing Lebron did to surpass those, just get closer.

That's the thing, new narratives are created for new candidates. Those things you listed weren't end all be all talking points until they were for Mj. Somehow a guy like Russell was fine having his goat case with zero fmvps or scoring titles. Wilt had a tremendous case with only 2 rings. Oscar had a case for some time with, NO RINGS AS THE BEST PLAYER. Kareem was sort of overlooked for a big stretch of time, though he was the most all around decorated up to his point in time. In the years that I've been watching ball all these guys have shuffled around without breaking a sweat in around 60 years....The goat discussion isn't ever set in stone, it's always been a very fluid convo. Bird and Magic had really strong cases in the 80s with yet to be compete careers as well. It's always been about being a great player, doing great things and punching your ticket by winning a few to validate your name in said conversations.

[red1]

He's up there. :pimp:

[Roundball_Rock]

That's the thing, new narratives are created for new candidates. Those things you listed weren't end all be all talking points until they were for Mj. Somehow a guy like Russell was fine having his goat case with zero fmvps or scoring titles. Wilt had a tremendous case with only 2 rings. Oscar had a case for some time with, NO RINGS AS THE BEST PLAYER. Kareem was sort of overlooked for a big stretch of time, though he was the most all around decorated up to his point in time. In the years that I've been watching ball all these guys have shuffled around without breaking a sweat in around 60 years....The goat discussion isn't ever set in stone, it's always been a very fluid convo. Bird and Magic had really strong cases in the 80s with yet to be compete careers as well. It's always been about being a great player, doing great things and punching your ticket by winning a few to validate your name in said conversations.

Great points. One of the great successes of MJ's people is they control the terms of the media debate. So whatever the best parts of MJ's resume are, cherry pick them and designate those the "benchmarks." That isn't how it works. Different arguments are made for different candidates, as you went through.

Jordan stans have been so caught up in their MJ stan echo chamber and the media narrative that they can't grasp that the argument for LeBron will be different and on his terrain (e.g., longevity).

I have long said MJ stans are foolishly putting everything in the team success boat (convenient since MJ was on the super team of his era with no second great team). If LeBron wins 6 rings their own argument is destroyed.

[3ball]

That's the thing, new narratives are created for new candidates. Those things you listed weren't end all be all talking points until they were for Mj. Somehow a guy like Russell was fine having his goat case with zero fmvps or scoring titles. Wilt had a tremendous case with only 2 rings. Oscar had a case for some time with, NO RINGS AS THE BEST PLAYER. Kareem was sort of overlooked for a big stretch of time, though he was the most all around decorated up to his point in time. In the years that I've been watching ball all these guys have shuffled around without breaking a sweat in around 60 years....The goat discussion isn't ever set in stone, it's always been a very fluid convo. Bird and Magic had really strong cases in the 80s with yet to be compete careers as well. It's always been about being a great player, doing great things and punching your ticket by winning a few to validate your name in said conversations.

New narratives are created because the new goats do better things, like Jordan's combination of production rate/dominance and winning

Otoh, lebron's thing is longevity, which has never been used a a goat case.. playing longer isn't basketball-related and shouldn't make a case for goat

[LAmbruh]

He's up there. :pimp:

And were only halfway up:cheers:

Lots of veteran chips to collect as Le enters his 5th prime and eligible for senior citizen benefits + pension

Free Mc’D coffee

[3ball]

And were only halfway up

Lots of veteran chips to collect as he enters his 5th prime and receives senior citizen benefits

Free Mc’D coffee

Produces less per game than Jordan, so he wins less games

It's pretty simple

Jordan reached a higher level - isn't that what we're talking about??.. Jordan's level was simply higher...

Carry on the fraud tho

[red1]

And were only halfway up:cheers:

Lots of veteran chips to collect as Le enters his 5th prime and eligible for senior citizen benefits + pension

Free Mc’D coffee

Yup. He definitely deserves to be carried to a couple of rings by AD. Very possible.


I look forward to more tears from 3ball. :cheers:

[red1]

Produces less per game than Jordan, so he wins less games

It's pretty simple

Jordan reached a higher level - isn't that what we're talking about??.. Jordan's level was simply higher...

Carry on the fraud tho

No pip?

[Dbrog]

Bron can't be the GOAT because he is even being compared to others at the top. Nobody can compare to the shear amount of winning of Russell. Jordan has 6 titles and 6 FMVPs. Kareem has 6 chips with 2 (though should be 3 FMVPs IMO). Duncan has 5 chips and 4 FMVPs (for anyone who actually watched...knows TP winning was a joke like when Iggy won over Curry). Kobe has 5 chips and 2 FMVPs (could also make a case for 3). All of these players simply do have a better resume than Bron. To be the GOAT, you gotta have crazy accomplishments that are almost unimaginable. For instance, if Bron 3-peats with this team, how would anyone except MAYBE Russell have a case over him? He would be pretty unanimously be GOAT. Let's wait for that to happen...or at least 1 more ring so he can get into the top5

[Dbrog]

Also another little experiment, imagine any of the players I mentioned above on his team this year instead of Bron...they probably dominate like the 2001 Lakers. Also...imagine any of those players (maybe not Kobe) on the Heat instead of Butler...they also would beat this Lakers team.

[3ball]

Bron can't be the GOAT because he is even being compared to others at the top. Nobody can compare to the shear amount of winning of Russell. Jordan has 6 titles and 6 FMVPs. Kareem has 6 chips with 2 (though should be 3 FMVPs IMO). Duncan has 5 chips and 4 FMVPs (for anyone who actually watched...knows TP winning was a joke like when Iggy won over Curry). Kobe has 5 chips and 2 FMVPs (could also make a case for 3). All of these players simply do have a better resume than Bron. To be the GOAT, you gotta have crazy accomplishments that are almost unimaginable. For instance, if Bron 3-peats with this team, how would anyone except MAYBE Russell have a case over him? He would be pretty unanimously be GOAT. Let's wait for that to happen...or at least 1 more ring so he can get into the top5

Lebron can never be goat because his accolades are due to mj going to college (not straight to pros) and then retiring in 94' (5 seasons lost)

Imagine if Jordan came from HS in 82', so by 1986 or 87' he's developed a contender or acquired a cast - 85-90' Jordan would win chips with easily with a sufficient cast, but he didn't get a chance to develop such a cast in time by going to college

But if 87' MJ acquired McHale and Buck Williams, it's a rizzi-wrap

[RRR3]

Bron can't be the GOAT because he is even being compared to others at the top. Nobody can compare to the shear amount of winning of Russell. Jordan has 6 titles and 6 FMVPs. Kareem has 6 chips with 2 (though should be 3 FMVPs IMO). Duncan has 5 chips and 4 FMVPs (for anyone who actually watched...knows TP winning was a joke like when Iggy won over Curry). Kobe has 5 chips and 2 FMVPs (could also make a case for 3). All of these players simply do have a better resume than Bron. To be the GOAT, you gotta have crazy accomplishments that are almost unimaginable. For instance, if Bron 3-peats with this team, how would anyone except MAYBE Russell have a case over him? He would be pretty unanimously be GOAT. Let's wait for that to happen...or at least 1 more ring so he can get into the top5
Not having LeBron top 5 at this point is just delusional.

[3ball]

Not having LeBron top 5 at this point is just delusional.

Only lebron made "the decision'"

Without team-hopping and becoming the king of "teaming up" and "stacking the deck", his resume is Dr J

[Dbrog]

Not having LeBron top 5 at this point is just delusional.

I see you didn't read any of the post you quoted :lol

Certainly there are arguments whether you agree or not...to act like it's unanimous is the only thing delusional. We saw some of these players just a few years ago...do you forget so easily?

[Fedor - Laker]

As a LeCHAMP fan, hes #3 behind MJ and Magic. I would put him above Bird just because of the extra chip.

[talkingconch]

No. Not yet. The way he's got his rings are completely different than how MJ did.

[3ball]

.
Down the stretch of tight playoff games (last 5 within 5):


2006-2018 LEBRON PLAYOFFS... 134-323... 41.4%... 108 games.. 3.0 attempts per game


1997 & 1998 JORDAN PLAYOFFS'... 42-89... 47.2%... 25 games... 3.6 attempts per game


TLDR: Down the stretch of tight playoff games (last 5 within 5), Lebron shoots 41% on 3.0 attempts per game for his playoff career, compared to 47% on 3.6 attempts for 97' and 98' MJ (20% more attempts on better efficiency)



Sources:

Lebron:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&player_id=jamesle01&order_by=date_game


Jordan:

Jordan 1997 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals)... 20-39.. 51.3% (11 games)
Jordan 1998 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals)... 22-50.. 44.0% (14 games)


Btw, lebron's stats are the same as Kobe and KD's (40% on 3 attempts a game).. so MJ was just a cut above everyone

[Celtics 1825]

2nd greatest without a doubt now. I still have MJ slightly ahead though. But anyone who doesn't have Lebron top 2 at this point is smoking crack.

[paksat]

it's like watching the patriots win the super bowl every year, anyone got that picture of the refs celebrating with the team in the afc championship?

[And1AllDay]

If rik smits outplayed shaq in the 00' Finals, would we say Miller had a goat accomplishment by winning that series?.. or if kenyon outplayed duncan in 03', would Kidd have a goat accomplishment? So why should lebron get credit?.. You can do this for any Finals...

Kyrie outplayed Curry, so lebron should get knocked for needing 7 games.. he only needed 7 games because he wet the bed for the first 4 (24 and 6 TO's).. similarly, he averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games of the 13' Finals, and therefore needed Ray Allen to force game 7

this is true pain people

[iamgine]

The last time people were polled a few months ago, the result is around 40-60 against Lebron being GOAT.

This time, it seems to be around 55-45 in favor of Lebron being GOAT. Looks like the chip and FMVP swayed a lot of minds.

[3ball]

this is true pain people

It's the truth, while you support lies

For example....

only lebron gets credit when his sidekick destroys the opposing #1 option.. imagine if pippen outplayed Malone and people still called MJ the goat and said his 98' win was all-world... Lol... That's the treatment that lebron gets

[bullettooth]

The last time people were polled a few months ago, the result is around 40-60 against Lebron being GOAT.

This time, it seems to be around 55-45 in favor of Lebron being GOAT. Looks like the chip and FMVP swayed a lot of minds.

Recency bias + all the Bran jock sniffers are coming out of their mom's basement to gloat.

[dankok8]

Make this poll in 10 years when Lebron is out of the league. Then you will see a more objective assessment. It's often when a player's career is over that people have objectively compare their entire body of work to others.

[Fedor - Laker]

quit replying to this nerd "3Ball," he thinks playing the heel on the forum makes him super smart or something. Dont feed the attention whore.

[And1AllDay]

until this gets passed up bran is top 1

https://i.postimg.cc/85rLcZbJ/top-1-goatzzzz.png



https://media.giphy.com/media/l0IyhKF1MNYjKSVs4/giphy.gif

[Doranku]

I don’t think he’s the GOAT, but in my eyes he’s surpassed everyone but Jordan and is the clear #2 of all time.

[dbugz]

He just entered the top 10

on the the 10th spot.

Can't be goat if you always asking for help
Can't be goat if you thrive in a weak eastern conference and having Paul Pierce as your greatest rival.
Everybody stop with the hype, Mickey Mouse ring shouldn't even recognize. It's like a scrimmage championship throphy after all.

[And1AllDay]

He just entered the top 10

on the the 10th spot.

Can't be goat if you always asking for help
Can't be goat if you thrive in a weak eastern conference and having Paul Pierce as your greatest rival.
Everybody stop with the hype, Mickey Mouse ring shouldn't even recognize. It's like a scrimmage championship throphy after all.

Oh


until this gets passed up bran is top 1

https://i.postimg.cc/85rLcZbJ/top-1-goatzzzz.png



https://media.giphy.com/media/l0IyhKF1MNYjKSVs4/giphy.gif

[dbugz]

until this gets passed up bran is top 1

https://i.postimg.cc/85rLcZbJ/top-1-goatzzzz.png





with 3 rings only and a mickey mouse one?

It's like an empty stat. Don't even bring that stat again :roll: It's actually making him look bad :roll:

Imagine needing to score that much just to only get 3 rings and a mickey mouse one.

I don't even count all the Ls he got in a finals yet :oldlol:

Major Fail :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

with 3 rings only and a mickey mouse one?

It's like an empty stat. Don't even bring that stat again :roll: It's actually making him look bad :roll:

some guys built different

bran top 1

mike too weak mentally

he wanted to chill and play baseball and then retire 3 times :oldlol:

#Notmygoat

[dbugz]

some guys built different

bran top 1

mike too weak mentally

he wanted to chill and play baseball and then retire 3 times :oldlol:

#Notmygoat

MJ the unanimous GOAT deal with it

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-25-2017/oz0luV.gif

it's been like two decades already and we're always still winning, MJ legacy living rent free on these libron fans. :oldlol:

we winning

https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2015112/rs_500x400-151202153259-dancing-1.gif

[And1AllDay]

MJ the unanimous GOAT deal with it

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-25-2017/oz0luV.gif

it's been like two decades already and we're always still winning, MJ legacy living rent free on these libron fans. :oldlol:

we winning

https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2015112/rs_500x400-151202153259-dancing-1.gif
hate to be the first to tell ya but...

https://i.postimg.cc/kGSrjPvJ/Le-Bron-James-Dominates.png

no ones close. zion or luka have a shot but every1 else has zero chance from the past. sorrry

[dbugz]

hate to be the first to tell ya but...

https://i.postimg.cc/kGSrjPvJ/Le-Bron-James-Dominates.png

no ones close. zion or luka have a shot but every1 else has zero chance from the past. sorrry

https://images.saymedia-content.com/.image/t_share/MTc1NDU3NzQ1NDczMDUzODkw/michael-jordan-versus-lebron-james.jpg

[TheGoatest]

hate to be the first to tell ya but...

https://i.postimg.cc/kGSrjPvJ/Le-Bron-James-Dominates.png

no ones close. zion or luka have a shot but every1 else has zero chance from the past. sorrry

Perma-shut down the thread after this.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/l0ErLeqamV3UOARsA/giphy.gif

[dbugz]

Perma-shut down the thread after this.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/l0ErLeqamV3UOARsA/giphy.gif

it's funny how you use vince as your gif

Vince Carter On The GOAT Debate: ‘I Mean, I Still Have To Give It To Michael Jordan, With A Close Kobe Bryant 2nd’ (https://fadeawayworld.net/2020/05/24/vince-carter-on-goat-debate-i-mean-i-still-have-to-give-it-to-michael-jordan-with-a-close-kobe-bryant-2nd/)

you're right shut down the thread. Kobe is even higher than libron as peryour gif :roll:

[Spurs m8]

MJ the unanimous GOAT deal with it

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-25-2017/oz0luV.gif

it's been like two decades already and we're always still winning, MJ legacy living rent free on these libron fans. :oldlol:

we winning

https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2015112/rs_500x400-151202153259-dancing-1.gif

Their boy won a ring, and to celebrate, they spent the night on ISH getting triggered by Jordan.

If that's not the epitome of rent free, then I don't know what is.

[TheGoatest]

it's funny how you use vince as your gif

Vince Carter On The GOAT Debate: ‘I Mean, I Still Have To Give It To Michael Jordan, With A Close Kobe Bryant 2nd’ (https://fadeawayworld.net/2020/05/24/vince-carter-on-goat-debate-i-mean-i-still-have-to-give-it-to-michael-jordan-with-a-close-kobe-bryant-2nd/)

you're right shut down the thread. Kobe is even higher than libron as peryour gif :roll:

That's the best you can do? :roll: @ the desperation.
All the people you used in these gifs think that LeBron is hands down the GOAT:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-25-2017/oz0luV.gif

https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2015112/rs_500x400-151202153259-dancing-1.gif

:oldlol:

[dbugz]

That's the best you can do? :roll: @ the desperation.
All the people you used in these gifs think that LeBron is hands down the GOAT:



Dwyane Wade says LeBron James can never be greater than Michael Jordan (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/dwyane-wade-says-lebron-james-can-never-be-greater-than-michael-jordan/)

Carmelo Anthony wasn’t comfortable with the question, but he acknowledges there is just one basketball GOAT — Michael Jordan (https://nypost.com/2020/05/29/carmelo-anthony-weighs-in-on-michael-jordan-lebron-james-goat-debate/)

Mike Malone: Killer Mentality Made Michael Jordan Better Than LeBron James (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2887907-michael-malone-killer-mentality-made-michael-jordan-better-than-lebron-james)

Mario Chalmers And JR Smith Say Michael Jordan Is The GOAT (https://fadeawayworld.net/2020/05/05/mario-chalmers-and-jr-smith-say-michael-jordan-is-the-goat/)

Udonis Haslem, former LeBron James teammate, says Michael Jordan is the GOAT (https://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/udonis-haslem-former-lebron-james-teammate-says-michael-jordan-goat/551975)

Ray Allen still takes Michael Jordan over LeBron James as the greatest of all time (https://clutchpoints.com/nba-news-ray-allen-still-takes-michael-jordan-over-lebron-james-as-the-greatest-of-all-time/)


even his closest friends and teammates aren't impress.

keep on crying we stay winning

https://media1.giphy.com/media/26xBHJGy8YJ3QIKHu/giphy.gif

:djparty :djparty

[TheGoatest]

Someone's crying, all right.
Crying enough to compile a bunch of quotes, most if not all are from before LeBron winning on sunday. :oldlol:
Keep on pimping your nostalgia-based quotes over objective fact-based ones. :roll:

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://i.postimg.cc/kGSrjPvJ/Le-Bron-James-Dominates.png


Jordan only played 13 seasons with the Bulls.... and still has more rings.

Sorry.... but Lebron ain't better than Jordan.


put prime Jordan on the 2011 Heat and he beats the Mavericks in 5 games.

[Lebron23]

Jordan only played 13 seasons with the Bulls.... and still has more rings.

Sorry.... but Lebron ain't better than Jordan.


put prime Jordan on the 2011 Heat and he beats the Mavericks in 5 games.

Shut up

[Doomsday Dallas]

Shut up

also....

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ddlgm-AUQAE_0EL.jpg

[TheGoatest]

LeBron actually had a better defensive rating than Anthony Davis, as well as a better defensive box plus/minus than Davis over the 2020 playoffs. Along with equal defensive win shares to Davis.
Jordan had a clearly worse defensive rating than Scottie Pippen, and an even more significantly worse defensive box plus/minus than Pippen over the 1998 playoffs. Along with worse defensive win shares than Pippen.

But I guess defense doesn't count in the GOAT debate.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Lebron has a beard.... to hide his obvious roided out square jawline.

but if you want to crown him... then crown him.

[TheGoatest]

:roll:

The desperation.
Your kind always loves to comment about some "trip to Miami" LeBron takes halfway through a season to get roided up. Well, he came to the bubble in early July, where no one was allowed to leave. Yet he was still dominating in mid-October. At the age of 35, which is 8 months older than the 4.0 rpg & 2.3 averaging Jordan was in the 1998 finals. So what's your explanation for his play in the bubble? How was he getting his roids in the bubble? Delivered via those Amazon drones? Another myth the bubble helped to shatter. :roll:

And LeBron's beard > Jordan's Hitler moustache

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8azAGnCpg2w/maxresdefault.jpg

[dbugz]

Someone's crying, all right.
Crying enough to compile a bunch of quotes, most if not all are from before LeBron winning on sunday. :oldlol:
Keep on pimping your nostalgia-based quotes over objective fact-based ones. :roll:

enjoy the ring

https://di2ponv0v5otw.cloudfront.net/posts/2019/05/13/5cd9cddcde696a6a227d5c62/m_5cd9cdfd2eb33f978dcad531.jpg

:roll: :roll:

[TheGoatest]

I will.
And I'll enjoy the other three, each of which had a beaten team that were unquestionably better than any team Jordan has ever beaten in a playoff/finals series.

[dbugz]

I will.
And I'll enjoy the other three, each of which had a beaten team that were unquestionably better than any team Jordan has ever beaten in a playoff/finals series.

got beaten by midget jj barrea on his prime with superstars on his side.

There's no coming back from that :oldlol:

[TheGoatest]

Swept in the first round in his prime. :roll:
Had a sub-.500 season with a teammate who averaged 14.5 points, 13.1 rebounds and 3.6 assists.

:roll:

[dbugz]

Swept in the first round in his prime. :roll:
Had a sub-.500 season with a teammate who averaged 14.5 points, 13.1 rebounds and 3.6 assists.

:roll:

ended up having a perfect finals record and finals mvp? not bad :oldlol:

Tell me libron finals record again? :roll:

[Manny98]

Swept in the first round in his prime. :roll:
Had a sub-.500 season with a teammate who averaged 14.5 points, 13.1 rebounds and 3.6 assists.

:roll:

Pa the tic :roll::roll:

[TheGoatest]

ended up having a perfect finals record and finals mvp? not bad :oldlol:

Tell me libron finals record again? :roll:

LeBron's finals record is better than Jordan's playoff record without Pippen, that's for sure. :lol

[Gimmedarock]

Rings only tell part of the story. Watch Lebron play & then watch Jordan. Lebron is clearly superior. If we judge by rings only, the Bill Russell is the GOAT. Lebron has been the best for a few years now. He’d destroy the trash teams Jordan met in the playoffs.

[And1AllDay]

Swept in the first round in his prime. :roll:
Had a sub-.500 season with a teammate who averaged 14.5 points, 13.1 rebounds and 3.6 assists.

:roll:

pa the tic

mike the fraud

[Gray GOAT]

Despite a bunch of alts voting on NOT LeBron is still leading comfortably. It is decided. I mean, we already knew this after June 19th, 2016, but it’s always nice to get some more confirmation.

[red1]

The haters all lost. :)


Ahahaha four rings "hurr durr bran" man you guys look stupid now. :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

Despite a bunch of alts voting on NOT LeBron is still leading comfortably. It is decided. I mean, we already knew this after June 19th, 2016, but it’s always nice to get some more confirmation.

LeTop1
MJTop5

[red1]

ended up having a perfect finals record and finals mvp? not bad :oldlol:

Tell me libron finals record again? :roll:

are you still salty from 2011 and 2012? good lord that was nearly a decade ago just let it go.

[red1]

got beaten by midget jj barrea on his prime with superstars on his side.

There's no coming back from that :oldlol:

still making 2011 jokes I see...


dbugz back in 2011 you used to brag about the celtics sole ring this century and you used to love the ringless lebron jokes.


4 rings later - you need to sit your ass down boy :roll:

[TheCorporation]

still making 2011 jokes I see...


dbugz back in 2011 you used to brag about the celtics sole ring this century and you used to love the ringless lebron jokes.


4 rings later - you need to sit your ass down boy :roll:

:lol He is not in a good place right now :lol

[red1]

:lol He is not in a good place right now :lol

He used to spam ringless jokes and jj barea and jason terry jokes



4 rings and 9 years later - he's looking hella retarded making the same jokes. Its a reminder that we won. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Vragrant]

How can he be the GOAT? If you go to the Finals 10X w/ Wade/Bosh/Allen/Kyrie/Love/AD, maybe you SHOULD win 4X? Great accomplishment, but this Finals doesn't make him the GOAT.

[bullettooth]

I hate to tell you but this was it for most

https://i.postimg.cc/nLZPS6hn/zz-this-is-the-lead.png

uh-oh... your recency bias is starting to fade...

[light]

At the time of my posting it's 51.7% GOAT.

LeHappening.

[GrayGoat]

MJ stans can’t make accounts fast enough to overturn this poll lol

[scuzzy]

MJ stans can’t make accounts fast enough to overturn this poll lol
Poor coach, polls been closed hours ago with LeGoat unanimous #1 by a landslide


Snaggletooth rifling through throwaway emails to try n level it out. Hella bent


Lmao @ thinking 120 individual humans exist on ISH

[RRR3]

Coach legit has the following accounts: SamuraiSwish, SamuraiSwoosh, Money23, Money Mitch 23, Goozeman, RogueBorg, WhiteKyrie, ScottieQuittin, PoutinPippen. Probably even more tbh. He’s gone completely insane with alts for some reason.

[BigKobeFan]

2011 and the Decision still exist.

[And1AllDay]

61 to 57

bran is goat

this isnt even bran vs mike this is bran vs everyone else including mike


we win again

https://j.gifs.com/jZlqvy.gif

[Spurs m8]

How is it so close when half the forum is bron alts and fan bois? Lol

[And1AllDay]

How is it so close when half the forum is bron alts and fan bois? Lol

bran > whoever you love

check mate m8

[Wally450]

He used to spam ringless jokes and jj barea and jason terry jokes



4 rings and 9 years later - he's looking hella retarded making the same jokes. Its a reminder that we won. :roll: :roll: :roll:

I’m embarrassed that he’s a Celtics fan. :facepalm

[Honor Boost]

Not yet but honestly who cares it's so close no matter how you want to break it down.

MJ has 6 to LeBron's 4 and LeBron's 4 are slightly more difficult so let's just say 6 to 5. Are we really arguing on 6 vs 5? or 6 good rings vs 4 premium rings? Its like saying which car is faster and one is 0-60 faster and the other is quarter mile faster, one gets 1 more mpg though, but one costs a little less. Shit man, they're just tied or slightly above.

[Shooter]

At the time of my posting it's 51.7% GOAT.

LeHappening.

He did it. He beat Real GM & ISH

Double G.O.A.T.

[Roundball_Rock]

How can he be the GOAT? If you go to the Finals 10X w/ Wade/Bosh/Allen/Kyrie/Love/AD, maybe you SHOULD win 4X? Great accomplishment, but this Finals doesn't make him the GOAT.

I love how Irving/Love are included in the 15' talk when they combined for playing 4 quarters in the entire series. :oldlol:

[Honor Boost]

I love how Irving/Love are included in the 15' talk when they combined for playing 4 quarters in the entire series. :oldlol:

Some posts are made to tear someone down instead of using the truthful information presented to them. Good thing people like you know the truth and point it out so that all the lurkers (who used to be like me) read all these posts but don't have a voice of they don't know all the details. Good find Mr. Rock

[Roundball_Rock]

Some posts are made to tear someone down instead of using the truthful information presented to them. Good thing people like you know the truth and point it out so that all the lurkers (who used to be like me) read all these posts but don't have a voice of they don't know all the details. Good find Mr. Rock

:cheers:

[iamgine]

i think this poll is a pretty accurate representation of how the general public feels. It's about 50-50 with a slight favor to Lebron.

[LonelyOwl]

So LeBron is the majority GOAT on both Real GM and ISH?

Interesting...

[Baller789]

So LeBron is the majority GOAT on both Real GM and ISH?

Interesting...

So Lebron finals record is a net negative?

Interesting...

[TheCorporation]

i think this poll is a pretty accurate representation of how the general public feels. It's about 50-50 with a slight favor to Lebron.

+1

LBJ is GOAT and after passing Kareem with 39k points he will have both scoring titles. Playoffs at 7,500 and Regular Season at 39,000.

He might even win another chip or two and snag more MVP win shares to extend the gap.

[LonelyOwl]

So Lebron finals record is a net negative?

Interesting...
Meh, still the consensus GOAT

goes to show how meaningless finals records are

[TheCorporation]

Meh, still the consensus GOAT

goes to show how meaningless finals records are

+1

I mean if you can't even make 7 like Kobe are you even in the discussion of GOAT?

7 or more Finals club
LeBron
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Kobe

Who else? #SorryMike

[Baller789]

Meh, still the consensus GOAT

goes to show how meaningless finals records are

Hahaha!

Ignored to fit an agenda.

Interesting...

[TheCorporation]

Hahaha!

Ignored to fit an agenda.

Interesting...

4-6 > 1-9

Next

[Roundball_Rock]

i think this poll is a pretty accurate representation of how the general public feels. It's about 50-50 with a slight favor to Lebron.

I don't know if it is that close with the general public but just the fact that we are talking about whether it is 40/60 or 50/50 is ominous for MJ stans because LeBron isn't done yet. He will set the scoring record, has a shot at more chips, will be a top tier MVP candidate again next year, etc.

[And1AllDay]

61 to 57

bran is goat

this isnt even bran vs mike this is bran vs everyone else including mike


we win again

https://j.gifs.com/jZlqvy.gif

now its 64 to 59

lebran is offical goat of ish

[Gohan]

now its 64 to 59

lebran is offical goat of ish

shouldnt count atleast 55 of the votes for lebron are simon's alts, including you

[And1AllDay]

shouldnt count atleast 55 of the votes for lebron are simon's alts, including you

real14 talkin eh? :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

most finals mvps in the modern unbanned zone era so i say yes

prehistoric leader = russell (caveman era)
banned zone leader = mike (primates era)
unbanned zone leader = bran (modern era)

anyone?

[Jasper]

poll closed but HE IS NOT THE GOAT(.)

[AirBonner]

Lebron

[FultzNationRISE]

Absolutely he is

[ELITEpower23]

So then it's decided? Thank you ISH :pimp:

https://i.postimg.cc/c170JGBf/Lebron-confirmed-as-GOAT.png

[ELITEpower23]

Your tears are delicious

Let them flow in 3...2....

ONE

https://media.giphy.com/media/d3mnIV9Tf6MI7XDq/giphy.gif

:oldlol::roll:

[Baller789]

So then it's decided? Thank you ISH :pimp:

https://i.postimg.cc/c170JGBf/Lebron-confirmed-as-GOAT.png

*Whispers* Don't forget to vote with your PipnRodman alt too!

[ELITEpower23]

*Whispers* Don't forget to vote with your PipnRodman alt too!

Let those tears flow in 3...2...

https://media.giphy.com/media/d3mnIV9Tf6MI7XDq/giphy.gif

ONE!

[Spurs m8]

50 alts don't count

Imagine thinking an ISH poll is the answer lmfao

[Magic Is Magic]

He is Goat or isnt he. No one cares that much flip a coin if it makes you feel better and live with the result. Jordan 1a. LeBron 1b. LeBron 1a, Jordan 1b. Who cares? Its just a game of orange balls bouncing and throwing.

[Axe]

He is Goat or isnt he. No one cares that much flip a coin if it makes you feel better and live with the result. Jordan 1a. LeBron 1b. LeBron 1a, Jordan 1b. Who cares? Its just a game of orange balls bouncing and throwing.
Tbh the goat opinion is like asking which candy tastes the best lmao

[expansionera]

Absolutely consensus GOAT amongst educated fans on both ISH and RealGM :applause:

At this point only boomer media like ESPN is still propping up Jordan as GOAT to appeal to their older audiences nostalgia bias and conservative stance

[expansionera]

anyone?

Russell played in a more competitive era than Jordan; as did Lebron, Magic, Bird, and Kobe/Shaq.

Jordan won an abundance of rings as a result of playing on a stacked team in a weak expansion era wherein the NBA added SIX expansion teams diluting the talent. Bill Russell never lost a game 7 in his basketball and won a championship at every level.

Jordan was never the best player on a championship team at any level.

[Axe]

I am a retarded mouthbreathing nutsucker
We know, dup.

[expansionera]

meltdown :mad:

Truth hurts :banana:

[Axe]

Baldone makes your blood boil lmao

[2much_knowledge]

4 Championships
4 Finals MVPs
4 MVPs
16x All NBA
6x All Defense
16x All Star
10x Finals appearance

GOAT or NOT?

I swear i've seen a better resume than that. Cant recall the name tho. I know hes bald

[Axe]

I swear i've seen a better resume than that. Cant recall the name tho. I know hes bald
He went 1-9 doe :(

[TheGoatest]

Anyone who claims that LeBron James is not the GOAT at this point is a certified troll.

[ELITEpower23]

Anyone who claims that LeBron James is not the GOAT at this point is a certified troll.

100%, it's over.

Their tears flow nicely in denial as each unrealistic, clearly unsupported dispute from reality is just a cry for help.

May LePreacher save their souls, Amen.

[TheCorporation]

100%, it's over.

Their tears flow nicely in denial as each unrealistic, clearly unsupported dispute from reality is just a cry for help.

May LePreacher save their souls, Amen.

https://i.postimg.cc/FK9vkcFT/How_Great_is_Our_God.png

[Spurs m8]

I swear i've seen a better resume than that. Cant recall the name tho. I know hes bald

Yep lol

Man I've seen players with hair as well, with better resumes than that

[Full Court]

I don't think anyone disputes that he's the GOAT of turnovers.

:lebroncry:

[Baller789]

I swear i've seen a better resume than that. Cant recall the name tho. I know hes bald

Funny is that only betas prop up 10x finals appearance on their resumes.

[ELITEpower23]

Funny is that only betas prop up 10x finals appearance on their resumes.

Because 6 Finals is better right? :oldlol: No? Ten is elite? I thought so. Keep up Mike :pimp:

[Baller789]

Because 6 Finals is better right? :oldlol: No? Ten is elite? I thought so. Keep up Mike :pimp:

Keep changing goalposts dup.

Which other fanbase props up finals appearances?

[ELITEpower23]

Keep changing goalposts dup.

Which other fanbase props up finals appearances?

Dup789 :oldlol:

[kawhileonard2]

The GOAT of losing with HCA and getting owned with HCA by inferior players

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher



Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED



Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.





Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724




http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats



Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry



Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html



"The weatherman says the weather is changing soon and predicts a thunderstorm," LeBron wrote alongside a photo of himself and Anthony Davis. "It's coming. Prepare and take proper caution measures to stay safe."

[Baller789]

Keep changing goalposts dup.

Which other fanbase props up finals appearances?


Dup789 :oldlol:


More deflections :oldlol:

[Shooter]

Bron did it. He beat Real GM & ISH as #1

Double G.O.A.T.

[Bacchus]

Funny is that only betas prop up 10x finals appearance on their resumes.

Ten finals and 22 wins in those finals. Jordan has 24 wins in the finals in 20 less games

[red1]

Ten finals and 22 wins in those finals. Jordan has 24 wins in the finals in 20 less games

playing dogshit teams like the corpse of the 80's lakers and playing the utah jazz twice :roll:


never played one single team as good as the spurs or warriors - lebron played those dynasties a combined 7 times in the finals :roll:


lebron was only favored by vegas in 3/10 finals - won 4 rings so overachieved by 33%...

[red1]

so lebron literally played dynasties more times than jordan even made the finals


meanwhile jordan never played a SINGLE dynasty in the finals :roll:

[red1]

playing dogshit teams like the corpse of the 80's lakers and playing the utah jazz twice :roll:


never played one single team as good as the spurs or warriors - lebron played those dynasties a combined 7 times in the finals :roll:


lebron was only favored by vegas in 3/10 finals - won 4 rings so overachieved by 33%...

3ball is going to duck these points again as per usual and go back to talking about how pippen is the worst most fraudulent fakest all-star of all-time



https://c.tenor.com/S2G-QZk-Vz0AAAAM/michael-jordan-laughing.gif

[Shooter]

Ten finals and 22 wins in those finals. Jordan has 24 wins in the finals in 20 less games

Are you in pain?

[Shooter]

May LePreacher save their souls, Amen.


EP23 was a real one :lol Miss this guy too

[Full Court]

If you took away all the votes from alts, it would be 69-4 in favor of the "nots."

I wonder how many alts Spooter created just to vote in this poll.

[Shooter]

If you took away all the votes from alts, it would be 69-4 in favor of the "nots."

I wonder how many alts Spooter created just to vote in this poll.

You're shaking and I love it.

[Full Court]

You're shaking and I love it.

Hey, I have a question for you. It's something I've been curious about for years. Do diabetics have opposable thumbs?

[Shooter]

Hey, I have a question for you. It's something I've been curious about for years. Do diabetics have opposable thumbs?

Melt • Down