Michael Jordan > Lebron

[Nike D'Antoni]

9 more scoring titles
2 more championships
2 more finals mvp
1 more league mvp
1 more DPOY

15 more titles.

[Roundball_Rock]

You okay?

[Axe]

Come on, darling. Don't be ridiculous. :(

[bullettooth]

Here come the bran nut hugging virgins to distort reality...

[TheGoatest]

Stage 1:

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Stage 2:

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Stage 3:

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Stage 4:

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Stage 5:

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I wonder what stage OP is currently in.

[Wally450]

Someone make sure OP is safe tonight.

[Nike D'Antoni]

Someone make sure OP is safe tonight.

I am not.

[BigtimeNBAFan]

Honestly I feel sorry for you guys. Maybe on nights like this find a different hobby?

[Shaquille O'Neal]

9 more scoring titles
2 more championships
2 more finals mvp
1 more league mvp
1 more DPOY

15 more titles.

Duh.
Did all that in 4 less full seasons too. Mike only really played 13 season (85-86 18 games, 94-95 17 games). So we'll call it 13.5. Imagine winning it all 6 out of 13.5 tries! Be out of 11.5 had he not returned at age 40. MJ=GOAT.

[Lebron_James]

4 Titles, 4 FMVP with 3 different teams.
and 4 League MVP with 2 different teams.

[3ball]

The best evidence is that all MJ needed was a 16/6/5 sidekick with horrible efficiency to have the best offenses ever and the best winning of the modern era..

1 all-star teammate BUILT = 6 rings

Whereas Lebron needed 7 guys to be all-star alongside him.. only MJ won multiple rings with 1 all-star except Hakeem

[Real14]

9 more scoring titles
2 more championships
2 more finals mvp
1 more league mvp
1 more DPOY

15 more titles.


plus he never lost in the finals

[Vino24]

Toughest finals opponent for MJ?

[SouBeachTalents]

plus he never lost in the finals
He lost more times before them though

[Real14]

He lost more times before them though

Lebron lost a lot too

[BigKobeFan]

2011 and the Decision still exist.

[Real14]

Toughest finals opponent for MJ?

Karl Malone

[Real14]

2011 and the Decision still exist.

:applause:

[Vino24]

Karl Malone

The original trash brothers

[Real14]

The original trash brothers

He's one of the best scorers of all time. DeRozan and Lowry could never lead a team to the finals. Kawhi had to carry Lowry's bitch ass.

[Mr. Woke]

No.

[The Iron Fist]

Stage 1:

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Stage 2:

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Stage 3:

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Stage 4:

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Stage 5:

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I wonder what stage OP is currently in.
What does the gif for the sixth loss look like?

[Real14]

No.

Yes.

[Nike D'Antoni]

9 more scoring titles
2 more championships
2 more finals mvp
1 more league mvp
1 more DPOY

15 more titles

+ 3x steals leaders
+ 2 dunk contest champion
+ 3x more selection to all nba defensive team

+23

[Vino24]

Why did op make this thread? For confirmation? He doesn’t seem sure

[Real14]

Why did op make this thread? For confirmation? He doesn’t seem sure

He put it out there for dummies like you to see.

[Goldrush25]

Lebron lost a lot too

Never in the first round. What GOAT loses in the first round?

[ZenMaster7210]

Duh.
Did all that in 4 less full seasons too. Mike only really played 13 season (85-86 18 games, 94-95 17 games). So we'll call it 13.5. Imagine winning it all 6 out of 13.5 tries! Be out of 11.5 had he not returned at age 40. MJ=GOAT.

:pimp::cheers::dancin:hammertime:

[Mr. Woke]

Yes.

Nope.

IMO you are misguided.

[Real14]

Nope.

IMO you are misguided.

6-0 tells otherwise.

[Nike D'Antoni]

Playoff runs averaging 30 PPG

Michael Jordan: 12
Jerry West: 7
LeBron James: 6
Kobe Bryant: 5

[Mr. Woke]

Nope.

[SATAN]

The best evidence is that all MJ needed was a 16/6/5 sidekick with horrible efficiency to have the best offenses ever and the best winning of the modern era..

1 all-star teammate BUILT = 6 rings


http://grantland.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/51654667.jpg

[SATAN]

Playoff runs averaging 30 PPG

Michael Jordan: 12
Jerry West: 7
LeBron James: 6
Kobe Bryant: 5

Yes ball hogs shoot more, who would have thought?

[SouBeachTalents]

Playoff runs averaging 30 PPG

Michael Jordan: 12
Jerry West: 7
LeBron James: 6
Kobe Bryant: 5
Correct playoff predictions

OP: 0

[3ball]

.
All the evidence, stats and facts show that the 1st three-peat Bulls were a 1-man team


1) Everyone used to say the 1st three-peat Bulls were a 1-man team - it was standard, common knowledge:



- During the 1991 regular season, Reggie Miller said: "the Bulls are nothing without Michael Jordan" (quote and video here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BcoVUSypeS4&t=04m18s))...

- During the 1993 Finals, Isiah told Bob Costas on national TV that the Bulls were a 1-man team.. This was after Magic said his peak Lakers would beat the bulls because if you removed himself and MJ, the Lakers' cast would "demolish" the Bulls.. See the 2-minute exchange between Magic/Costas/Isiah here[/B] (]Title teams with lowest scoring supporting casts for the overall playoffs

Post-1954 (Shot Clock Era)


10. 1994 Rockets - 68.3 PPG
9. 2006 Heat - 67.8 PPG
8. 1993 Bulls - 67.3 PPG
7. 2012 Heat - 67.0 PPG
6. 1996 Bulls - 66.7 PPG
5. 1992 Bulls - 65.9 PPG
4. 2004 Pistons - 65.6 PPG
3. 1999 Spurs - 65.2 PPG
2. 1997 Bulls - 61.5 PPG
1. 1998 Bulls - 60.8 PPG



3) Everyone in history had teammates lead various series in scoring... Except MJ, who led his team in every series of his career, and did so by an average margin of 15.4 ppg above his 2nd option - that's the DEFINITION of a "1-man team" scoring load... Not only did MJ lead his team in every series, but he led BOTH TEAMS for every series of his career...

And only MJ scored 10-20 more than his 2nd option for every Finals (definition of carry-job and a "1-man team" scoring load), while Lebron, Magic and others need equal-scoring and usage sidekicks to close for them.



4) MJ carried a "1-man team" scoring load (goat scoring load), while getting equal assists to Pippen and more dpoy votes..

Infact, MJ led the Bulls in APG for 6 of 9 playoff runs alongside Pippen, while also assisting on the most Bulls FG's for both 3-peats (led Pippen in assist% for both 91-93' and 96-98' playoffs[/SIZE][/I]



5) The only guys to win a title as the league scoring champ are Kareem and Shaq in their peak seasons of 71' and 00'... And also MJ for all 6 of his rings... So Kareem/Shaq's peak burden was MJ's standard burden to win a ring.



6) Only MJ had to completely carry his team in the clutch.. He never had a teammate that commanded a double or took consistently clutch shots - Pippen ranked last in "clutch" scoring, behind guys like shandon anderson..

[And1AllDay]

http://grantland.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/51654667.jpg

papa phil is the guiding light for mike

never forget

[3BallSucks]

.
All the evidence, stats and facts show that the 1st three-peat Bulls were a 1-man team


1) Everyone used to say the 1st three-peat Bulls were a 1-man team - it was standard, common knowledge:



- During the 1991 regular season, Reggie Miller said: "the Bulls are nothing without Michael Jordan" (quote and video here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BcoVUSypeS4&t=04m18s))...

- During the 1993 Finals, Isiah told Bob Costas on national TV that the Bulls were a 1-man team.. This was after Magic said his peak Lakers would beat the bulls because if you removed himself and MJ, the Lakers' cast would "demolish" the Bulls.. See the 2-minute exchange between Magic/Costas/Isiah here[/B] (]Title teams with lowest scoring supporting casts for the overall playoffs

Post-1954 (Shot Clock Era)


10. 1994 Rockets - 68.3 PPG
9. 2006 Heat - 67.8 PPG
8. 1993 Bulls - 67.3 PPG
7. 2012 Heat - 67.0 PPG
6. 1996 Bulls - 66.7 PPG
5. 1992 Bulls - 65.9 PPG
4. 2004 Pistons - 65.6 PPG
3. 1999 Spurs - 65.2 PPG
2. 1997 Bulls - 61.5 PPG
1. 1998 Bulls - 60.8 PPG



3) Everyone in history had teammates lead various series in scoring... Except MJ, who led his team in every series of his career, and did so by an average margin of 15.4 ppg above his 2nd option - that's the DEFINITION of a "1-man team" scoring load... Not only did MJ lead his team in every series, but he led BOTH TEAMS for every series of his career...

And only MJ scored 10-20 more than his 2nd option for every Finals (definition of carry-job and a "1-man team" scoring load), while Lebron, Magic and others need equal-scoring and usage sidekicks to close for them.



4) MJ carried a "1-man team" scoring load (goat scoring load), while getting equal assists to Pippen and more dpoy votes..

Infact, MJ led the Bulls in APG for 6 of 9 playoff runs alongside Pippen, while also assisting on the most Bulls FG's for both 3-peats (led Pippen in assist% for both 91-93' and 96-98' playoffs[/SIZE][/I]



5) The only guys to win a title as the league scoring champ are Kareem and Shaq in their peak seasons of 71' and 00'... And also MJ for all 6 of his rings... So Kareem/Shaq's peak burden was MJ's standard burden to win a ring.



6) Only MJ had to completely carry his team in the clutch.. He never had a teammate that commanded a double or took consistently clutch shots - Pippen ranked last in "clutch" scoring, behind guys like shandon anderson..

it's over, bran's the goat

[3ball]

papa phil is the guiding light for mike

never forget



^^^ Phil didn't look anything like that when the bulls won in 1991 - he was a 1st time nobody coach, while MJ was the goat candidate

why didn't the Bulls advance further with Phil in 1990 than the prior year?.. pippen was vastly improved in 90' vs 89' (grant too)..

Here's the historical record - the triangle wasn't famous untill MJ got a hold of it.. the triangle put role players in optimal spots, but still needs a bailout on 20% of possessions or more..

that's why no one ever heard of the offense until goat bailout artists proved that be the key that unlocked it's goatness.. indeed, Phil has zero rings without the goat bailout artist (MJ or his clone, aka mamba)

So Phil wasn't a big driver for winning, but more just a laid back guy that players liked and preferred playing for... it's gotta be better than playing for pj carlesimo, george karl or bobby knight.

Again, Phil has zero rings without MJ or his clone.. the triangle needs a goat bailout artist to work

[light]

9 more scoring titles
2 more championships
2 more finals mvp
1 more league mvp
1 more DPOY

15 more titles.

The problem is that LeBron is a much better basketball player, so those things don't matter. Kind of the same way people blow off Bill Russell's titles when it comes to Jordan.

Jordan is LeBron's Bill Russell.

[3ball]

The problem is that LeBron is a much better basketball player, so those things don't matter. Kind of the same way people blow off Bill Russell's titles when it comes to Jordan.

Jordan is LeBron's Bill Russell.

Lebron can't employ the best strategy (ball-movement) because his skillset is ball-dominance, aka he can't shoot or play off-the-ball

So he's nowhere near MJ and his lower production rate despite the easier era proves it

Lebron is a 6'8" John Wall.. hardly the best skillset

[Mr. Woke]

Gimme LBJ any day of the week.

Plus he is more likable/riveting.

[3ball]

Gimme LBJ any day of the week.

Plus he is more likable/riveting.

His skillset imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning).. talent-based winning struggles on the championship level, thus lowering long run championship expectation.. lower expectation = inferior player

Lebron simply has a ball-dominant skillset that prevents the best strategy (ball movement), so he isn't good at beating Finals teams, thereby lowering his team's long run championship odds compared to Jordan, Kobe, Bird and others.. lower long run expectation = inferior player.. brands that are good at beating Finals teams > brands that are good at beating 2nd round winners

[3ball]

http://grantland.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/51654667.jpg

Phil was a 1st time nobody coach when they won in 91', while MJ was a goat candidate..

Ultimately, Phil has zero rings without MJ or his clone, the reason is obvious - the triangle put role players in optimal spots, but still needs a bailout on 20% of possessions or more..

that's why no one ever heard of the offense until goat bailout artists proved that be the key that unlocked it's goatness.. indeed, Phil has zero rings without the goat bailout artist (MJ or his clone, aka mamba)

[And1AllDay]

^^^ Phil didn't look anything like that when the bulls won in 1991 - he was a 1st time nobody coach, while MJ was the goat candidate

why didn't the Bulls advance further with Phil in 1990 than the prior year?.. pippen was vastly improved in 90' vs 89' (grant too)..

Here's the historical record - the triangle wasn't famous untill MJ got a hold of it.. the triangle put role players in optimal spots, but still needs a bailout on 20% of possessions or more..

that's why no one ever heard of the offense until goat bailout artists proved that be the key that unlocked it's goatness.. indeed, Phil has zero rings without the goat bailout artist (MJ or his clone, aka mamba)

So Phil wasn't a big driver for winning, but more just a laid back guy that players liked and preferred playing for... it's gotta be better than playing for pj carlesimo, george karl or bobby knight.

Again, Phil has zero rings without MJ or his clone.. the triangle needs a goat bailout artist to work

how many rings does mike have without either or pippen or papa phil

ready

go

[3ball]

How many rings does mike have without either or pippen or papa phil

ready

go




Phil has zero rings without MJ or his clone, and the reason is obvious - the triangle put role players in optimal spots, but still needs a bailout on 20% of possessions or more..

that's why no one ever heard of the offense until goat bailout artists proved that be the key that unlocked it's goatness.. indeed, Phil has zero rings without the goat bailout artist (MJ or his clone, aka mamba)

Ultimately, Phil was a 1st time nobody coach when they won in 91', while MJ was a goat candidate.. MJ won in spite of Phil's garbage offense and Paul George, I mean pippen

[3ball]

Phil has zero rings without MJ or his clone, and the reason is obvious - the triangle put role players in optimal spots, but still needs a bailout on 20% of possessions or more..

that's why no one ever heard of the offense until goat bailout artists proved that be the key that unlocked it's goatness.. indeed, Phil has zero rings without the goat bailout artist (MJ or his clone, aka mamba)

Ultimately, Phil was a 1st time nobody coach when they won in 91', while MJ was a goat candidate.. MJ won in spite of Phil's garbage offense and Paul George, I mean pippen


..

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[3BallSucks]

jordan was 1-9 without pippen.

[3ball]

jordan was 1-9 without pippen.

As an 8 seed... and during his first couple years when everyone misses the playoffs altogether (Lebron, Giannis, Curry, KD, etc)

It's funny because the only way the goat is supposed to lose is with the worst odds (8 vs 1 seed)... Yet that's your biggest criticism - that MJ lost as a rookie with the worst odds possible lol... GOAT

[3BallSucks]

As an 8 seed... and during his first couple years when everyone misses the playoffs altogether (Lebron, Giannis, Curry, KD, etc)

It's funny because the only way the goat is supposed to lose is with the worst odds (8 vs 1 seed)... Yet that's your biggest criticism - that MJ lost as a rookie with the worst odds possible lol... GOAT

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[And1AllDay]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/2e75b4376dce6900af6e94305d243139/tenor.gif

bruh mike is fighting for 2nd or 3rd place at this point be careful :oldlol: you battling hard for second place

[k 96]

KB24 > LeHype 4 of 10 James
Michael 90s Cupcake Jordan > LeHype 4 of 10 James

[3ball]

https://media.giphy.com/media/TmyKbZZmy5J7nKfv36/giphy.gif





https://media.tenor.com/images/dc742e9682660ea9bdae6137c9e2bd48/tenor.gif


While carrying the scoring load, whereas lebron has an equal scoring partner for his Finals wins.. no comparison

* 6 rings with a Paul George sidekick

* 5 more ppg on better efficiency per possession than lebron in Playoffs

[3BallSucks]

2 assist per game in a finals series. terrible.

[And1AllDay]

4 bentleys or 6 geo metros

i take the 4 bentleys

[Round Mound]

So now Phil Jackson sucks as a coach like that of Scottie Pippen? :oldlol::facepalm

[8Ball]

Phil has zero rings without MJ or his clone, and the reason is obvious - the triangle put role players in optimal spots, but still needs a bailout on 20% of possessions or more..

that's why no one ever heard of the offense until goat bailout artists proved that be the key that unlocked it's goatness.. indeed, Phil has zero rings without the goat bailout artist (MJ or his clone, aka mamba)

Ultimately, Phil was a 1st time nobody coach when they won in 91', while MJ was a goat candidate.. MJ won in spite of Phil's garbage offense and Paul George, I mean pippen

It is pathetic that Jordan needs some elementary offensive system in order to start winning. Jordan Ball was 1-9 in the playoffs. 2 assists per game?

Look at the triangle today = useless.

LeBron ball literally works in every era and is the supreme system.

[colts19]

Duh.
Did all that in 4 less full seasons too. Mike only really played 13 season (85-86 18 games, 94-95 17 games). So we'll call it 13.5. Imagine winning it all 6 out of 13.5 tries! Be out of 11.5 had he not returned at age 40. MJ=GOAT.

Bill Russell won 11 out of 13. Take away the year he was injured and its 11 of 12. Bill Russell=GOAT.