4 for 10 is not great

[Walk on Water]

4 championships is good but not when you had 10 tries.

I count his first ring. 2nd ring Ray Allen. 3rd ring Kyrie Irving and 4th ring Covid.

They weren’t supposed to play this year.

So many elbows to the opponents face.

Jordan won 6 rings in his first 13 seasons. If Lebron wins the next 2 seasons it will have taken him 19 seasons to match MJ. If Lebron wins the next 2 years maybe we could talk about where he ranks. Still a ways to go.

[Proctor]

Lebron cemented himself top 5 tonight. He was fantastic.

[SouBeachTalents]

Idk, 4 FMVP's is pretty good

[G0ATbe]

4 chips
4 fmvps
10 conference titles
:pimp:

[jmcwilliams]

4 championships is good but not when you had 10 tries.

I count his first ring. 2nd ring Ray Allen. 3rd ring Kyrie Irving and 4th ring Covid.

They weren’t supposed to play this year.

So many elbows to the opponents face.

Jordan won 6 rings in his first 13 seasons. If Lebron wins the next 2 seasons it will have taken him 19 seasons to match MJ. If Lebron wins the next 2 years maybe we could talk about where he ranks. Still a ways to go.

Stupid argument. What about all those times that Jordan didnt even make it to the finals? I dont care that he is 4-10 getting there that many times is impressive. He had unique challenges that Jordan didnt.

[The Iron Fist]

Lebron cemented himself top 5 tonight. He was fantastic.

Have to agree with this. Great player no matter what.

[Axe]

Here comes the welfarefan again :oldlol:

[tresbigdog]

in 10 Finals, LeBron's teams were only the favorite 3 times. That matters

[Bronbron23]

4 championships is good but not when you had 10 tries.

I count his first ring. 2nd ring Ray Allen. 3rd ring Kyrie Irving and 4th ring Covid.

They weren’t supposed to play this year.

So many elbows to the opponents face.

Jordan won 6 rings in his first 13 seasons. If Lebron wins the next 2 seasons it will have taken him 19 seasons to match MJ. If Lebron wins the next 2 years maybe we could talk about where he ranks. Still a ways to go.

Nah dude 4 for 10 is pretty damn good. Yeah the east was weak for a long time but does it matter? If he was in the west he'd be 4/4 would that make it better?

[Shaquille O'Neal]

4 championships is good but not when you had 10 tries.

I count his first ring. 2nd ring Ray Allen. 3rd ring Kyrie Irving and 4th ring Covid.

They weren’t supposed to play this year.

So many elbows to the opponents face.

Jordan won 6 rings in his first 13 seasons. If Lebron wins the next 2 seasons it will have taken him 19 seasons to match MJ. If Lebron wins the next 2 years maybe we could talk about where he ranks. Still a ways to go.

Agree 100%.

Let's list the people MJ prevented from getting a ring in the 1990's vs. the ones Lebron allowed.

1990's best players who didn't win due to Mike:
Karl Malone
John Stockton
Patrick Ewing
Reggie Miller
Charles Barkley
Clyde (only in '95 when Jordan was out)

Top Players to get a ring during Lebron's 2011 season until now:
KD x2
Curry x3
Duncan
Ginobli
Kawhi x 2
Dirk
Klay Thompson x 3


You be the judge.

[D-Wait]

in 10 Finals, LeBron's teams were only the favorite 3 times. That matters

How were the Heat not favored in every Finals from 2011-2014 ?

Lebron had a great career and still ongoing, but let's be honest, he should have at least 5 rings now.
Even Chris Bosh admitted the Heatles were a disappointment winning only 2 of 4, considering how stacked they were.

And too bad Kyrie and Love got injured in 2015.

[Vragrant]

Lebron is a brilliant player, but if you go to the Finals 10X w/Wade/Bosh/Kyrie/Love/AD, you probably should win at least 4x

[J Shuttlesworth]

4/4 FMVPs

It's over

[ZenMaster7210]

Agree 100%.

Let's list the people MJ prevented from getting a ring in the 1990's vs. the ones Lebron allowed.

1990's best players who didn't win due to Mike:
Karl Malone
John Stockton
Patrick Ewing
Reggie Miller
Charles Barkley
Clyde (only in '95 when Jordan was out)

Top Players to get a ring during Lebron's 2011 season until now:
KD x2
Curry x3
Duncan
Ginobli
Kawhi x 2
Dirk
Klay Thompson x 3


You be the judge.

:applause: But but check my stats tho...:facepalm

[tresbigdog]

How were the Heat not favored in every Finals from 2011-2014 ?

Lebron had a great career and still ongoing, but let's be honest, he should have at least 5 rings now.
Even Chris Bosh admitted the Heatles were a disappointment winning only 2 of 4, considering how stacked they were.

And too bad Kyrie and Love got injured in 2015.

I dont think Vegas had them as the favorites over the Spurs in one of their 2 Finals

[dgs]

How were the Heat not favored in every Finals from 2011-2014 ?

2013-2014 Spurs.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2083429-2014-nba-finals-series-odds-and-heat-vs-spurs-betting-matchup
https://www.si.com/nba/2014/06/02/nba-finals-odds-spurs-heat-favorite-2014

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2901057-ranking-the-50-best-nba-teams-of-all-time

[Shooter]

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Be safe tonight. Protect your heart.

[TheGoatest]

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[k 96]

4 of 10 = PATHETIC

[tresbigdog]

2018-2019 Toronto Raptors +230
2017-2018 Golden State Warriors -1075
2016-2017 Golden State Warriors -300
2015-2016 Cleveland Cavaliers +180
2014-2015 Golden State Warriors -220
2013-2014 San Antonio Spurs -155
2012-2013 Miami Heat -220
2011-2012 Miami Heat +155

[8Ball]

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[BigtimeNBAFan]

Nothing is dumber than "Finals Record smack." So what is he supposed to do, not go to the finals? If in 2018 the Cavs lose that game 7 to the Pacers is that better for Lebron? What about losing to the Bulls in 2015 or losing to the Pistons in 2007? Ok now Lebron is 4-3 in the Finals. Is that really better for his legacy?

C'mon, making 10 finals is impressive as hell. If you want to talk smack on Lebron for having less rings than Jordan, ok, but don't act like it is better to lose early than to win your conference. Michael Jordan making the 1986 Finals would have been far more impressive than losing in the first round.

[TheCorporation]

Were any of MJ's rings better than LBJ's?

Take any MJ ring and any LBJ ring? Do any of MJ's come close? He even has six to choose from :(

[BigtimeNBAFan]

Were any of MJ's rings better than LBJ's?

Take any MJ ring and any LBJ ring? Do any of MJ's come close? He even has six to choose from :(

This is the only team Lebron has beat that wasn't better than any of MJ's finals opponents. 2012 Thunder, 2013 Spurs and 2016 Warriors were all better than any of the six teams Jordan beat to win rings. Maybe the 93 Suns belong in the mix. That was a deep team with a lot of scorers, but they only had one great player in Barkley.

[MrFonzworth]

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:roll::roll:

[tanibanana]

11 out of 13 is way better than 6 out of 15.
Bill>Michael

[bison]

Finals records proves to be the choice of metric for retards all over the internet. I never used this standard to judge GOATs.

Seriously who the fck looks at a players resume that says 4x champ/4x FMVP and thinks ‘that’s not great’? Same thing with one of those f4ggot Simon alts asking if Jordan has the most ‘embarrassing’ rings. Yeah winning 6 rings/6 FMVPs is embarrassing. Both these idiots need their skulls stomped in by an ox.

[Spurs m8]

Its not great when you factor in collusion and cherry picked teams.

He will go down as an all time great...

Doesn't touch the GOAT for several on and off court reasons, just because he flat out clearly isn't the best player who's ever played.

[coin24]

How were the Heat not favored in every Finals from 2011-2014 ?

Lebron had a great career and still ongoing, but let's be honest, he should have at least 5 rings now.
Even Chris Bosh admitted the Heatles were a disappointment winning only 2 of 4, considering how stacked they were.

And too bad Kyrie and Love got injured in 2015.


Not in 2014, and the spurs completely embarrassed LeTiny..

Who then scurried off to form another big 3 in Cleveland like the front running coward he is..

11-13 they were favourites , and we alll know what happened in 2011:roll:

[Mauzah]

I don't see how the greatest of all time in his prime gets outplayed by a bench player for an ENTIRE ****ING SERIES

Sure a game here or there but the entire series? Seriously guys this is your GOAT?

A colluding, flopping on his knees begging for calls who hijacks every team offence to protect his stats?

Declares himself the GOAT and fakes shooting hand injuries anytime he steps near a free throw line with the game on the line.

Have some self respect you clowns :roll:

[Spurs m8]

No one with any sort of standards is considering him a GOAT

[Walk on Water]

Nah dude 4 for 10 is pretty damn good. Yeah the east was weak for a long time but does it matter? If he was in the west he'd be 4/4 would that make it better?


But he wasn’t in the West. Also Lebron formed 3 super teams.

[TheGoatest]

4 Finals MVPs on
3 teams in
2 conferences

:banana:

[coin24]

4 Finals MVPs on
3 teams in
2 conferences

:banana:

Out of 10 attempts.

Ie LOSER

[DMAVS41]

How are people dumb enough to make this argument. I know most of you are trolling, but you see people actually make this argument.

It is beyond dumb for all the obvious reasons.

I really wanted the Heat to win for a lot of reasons, but one was honestly I just feel bad for half of you that watch Lebron play and come to any conclusion other than he's on the short list for best player ever and is probably going to put up easily the best career of all-time when he's done.

Yet you still have people, on a basketball forum, claiming he's just not that good.

Sigh...

[pandiani17]

Stupid argument. What about all those times that Jordan didnt even make it to the finals? I dont care that he is 4-10 getting there that many times is impressive. He had unique challenges that Jordan didnt.

This. I don't get the fact of losing in finals as a way to decrease a player's legacy. According to that outlook, it is better not to make the post-season or lose in the previous rounds than to make the finals.

[999Guy]

How were the Heat not favored in every Finals from 2011-2014 ?

Lebron had a great career and still ongoing, but let's be honest, he should have at least 5 rings now.
Even Chris Bosh admitted the Heatles were a disappointment winning only 2 of 4, considering how stacked they were.

And too bad Kyrie and Love got injured in 2015.

These kinds of takes only prove you’re stupid.

Nobody actually buys Miami being stacked anymore. We’ve seen enough from deep teams that actually fit together to know.

They actually got killed in 2014. That happened. What’s your take? LeBron didn’t do enough. That level of stupid was accceptable maybe in 2015. Anybody dumb enough to say that usually gets ignored these days. You’re welcome.


And as far as 4/10. That doesn’t even sound bad. It sounds gritty and war-like. A lot of wins, a lot of losses. A lot of competing in the toughest most loaded decade ever, the 2010’s. And time doesn’t stop.

Unless a team gets 14 Spurs or 16 Warriors good next year, completely possible but unlikely, count up #5 for LeBron in 2021.

That’s 5/11 in a career that encompasses the toughest era ever.

[MaxPlayer]

Nothing is dumber than "Finals Record smack." So what is he supposed to do, not go to the finals? If in 2018 the Cavs lose that game 7 to the Pacers is that better for Lebron? What about losing to the Bulls in 2015 or losing to the Pistons in 2007? Ok now Lebron is 4-3 in the Finals. Is that really better for his legacy?

C'mon, making 10 finals is impressive as hell. If you want to talk smack on Lebron for having less rings than Jordan, ok, but don't act like it is better to lose early than to win your conference. Michael Jordan making the 1986 Finals would have been far more impressive than losing in the first round.

Stop making sense

[allball]

Y'all mad :roll:

[k0kakw0rld]

4/4 FMVPs

It's over
:cheers:

[k0kakw0rld]

No one with any sort of standards is considering him a GOAT
It doesn't mean because his game is not appealing to you that he can not be considered GOAT.

You are a moron.

[Jasper]

4 championships is good but not when you had 10 tries.

I count his first ring. 2nd ring Ray Allen. 3rd ring Kyrie Irving and 4th ring Covid.

They weren’t supposed to play this year.

So many elbows to the opponents face.

Jordan won 6 rings in his first 13 seasons. If Lebron wins the next 2 seasons it will have taken him 19 seasons to match MJ. If Lebron wins the next 2 years maybe we could talk about where he ranks. Still a ways to go.

how bout 6 out of 12 ??

[Real14]

1st ring- lockout
2nd ring- ray Allen
3rd ring- Kyrie
4th ring- Bubble

[TheGoatest]

1st ring- lockout
2nd ring- ray Allen
3rd ring- Kyrie
4th ring- Bubble

Whereas you have to move your goal posts between those four, our goal posts are solidified at "PIPPEN" for all eternity.

[RRR3]

1st ring- lockout
2nd ring- ray Allen
3rd ring- Kyrie
4th ring- Bubble
Sobbing yourself to sleep at night aren’t you? LeBron has double the amount of rings as the Knicks :roll:

[Real14]

Sobbing yourself to sleep at night aren’t you? LeBron has double the amount of rings as the Knicks :roll:

You're a disgrace to be a heat fan.

[Real14]

Whereas you have to move your goal posts between those four, our goal posts are solidified at "PIPPEN" for all eternity.

Pippen game high in the finals was more than Kyrie?

[Basketball IQ]

in 10 Finals, LeBron's teams were only the favorite 3 times. That matters

This is never brought up in these discussions. Hell, I would argue that 2012 Thunder was much more stacked and talented.

[Real14]

This is never brought up in these discussions. Hell, I would argue that 2012 Thunder was much more stacked and talented.

You must be stupid.

[TheGoatest]

This is never brought up in these discussions. Hell, I would argue that 2012 Thunder was much more stacked and talented.

They were, unquestionably:

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Easily better than any team Jordan ever beat. We're talking about Durant-Westbrook-Harden + Ibaka, who was a handful of votes away from DPOY

[BigKobeFan]

2011 and the Decision still exist.

[D-Wait]

These kinds of takes only prove you’re stupid.

Thanks. I was just making a legit point (or if you will, my fukking opinion) and wasn't trolling, no need to insult me for that.

I didn't once say he should have won in 2014. Get glasses so you're able to read better.

Lebron could easily have 5 rings by now. For example, 2011 and 2015 (injuries)

That's all I fukking meant. :facepalm

[Real14]

Thanks. I was just making a legit point (or if you will, my fukking opinion) and wasn't trolling, no need to insult me for that.

I didn't once say he should have won in 2014. Get glasses so you're able to read better.

Lebron could easily have 5 rings by now. For example, 2011 and 2015 (injuries)

That's all I fukking meant. :facepalm

Reported.

[TheGoatest]

2011 and the Decision still exist.

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[Fedor - Laker]

hahahahahah @ Kyrie, the bum who made a "clutch 3," in a TIED score situation. ZERO PRESSURE on taking that shot. LeBron carried that series from start to finish.
The only one you possibly got right was Ray Allen's clutch 3, that was CLUTCH. Not Kyries, you bum

[Spurs m8]

This is never brought up in these discussions. Hell, I would argue that 2012 Thunder was much more stacked and talented.

Hmm...might be time to change your username

Or maybe you're like bron...self-proclaimed basketball iq