Did Jimmy take a massive legacy hit in the bubble?

[Gray GOAT]

Jimmy was absolutely sensational these past days, weeks, months. At times he went toe to toe with LeBron James, amazing. I've got to give him credit. In the end, though, he gassed himself, but that's not a dig at him in the slightest. That's about to be expected when you play as hard as him, gunning for crown, and dragging your team to six games when you were far from the favorite and had to deal with injuries.

However, in the end, he is 0-1 in the Finals. Surely he is now lower on the all time rankings than he was before the bubble? Giannis did much better, losing in the second round, on the verge of getting swept by the same Jimmy, until he got injured, and his team won a game without him. Right?

[Gray GOAT]

Thanks for the 5 stars, I appreciate it. :cheers:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

No. Making the finals and losing -- instead of losing earlier -- is now a good thing. The definition of what it means to be great was changed for the better by one LeBron James. Nowadays you're not a serious GOAT contender if you don't have at least 10 finals appearances.

[pandiani17]

Yeah, it seems so according to some Lebron haters. Losing in the finals is what ultimate losers do, it is much better to lose in the earlier rounds, you are less of a loser, or so they say:roll:

[ImKobe]

I see what OP's trying to do here, but no. Butler's not in the top 10 ATG convo so the criteria is different. The Heat weren't serious title contenders going into these Playoffs, they had an outside shot but Butler wasn't even viewed as a top 10 player in the league by most, so you can't apply the same standards to him as people do with Lebron. Butler overachieved, the Cavs in '15 didn't. Lebron was up 2 - 1 with a home game to potentially go up 3 - 1 in the Finals and got outplayed by a role player.

[TheGoatest]

LeBron haters out there first trying to convince that finals percentage matters, but only for some players. :oldlol:
Magic Johnson's and Kareem's finals winning percentage is worse than a ton of other all-time greats. And John Havlicek's is better than anyone's.

Basically, the most idiotic excuse for an "argument" as to who is great, which was never brought up to measure a player's greatness before LeBron.

What about the 1st round winning percentage?
What about the winning a championship without a "unanimously recognized as the best player of the decade at his position" type of player percentage?

:roll:

[Nash]

I totally agree with you OP. Giannis legacy is way better off than Jimmy here after these playoffs. Now Jimmy has more losses than W's in the finals :(

[SoCalMike]

Why is this even important? Geez....

:pimp:

[Gray GOAT]

I see what OP's trying to do here, but no. Butler's not in the top 10 ATG convo so the criteria is different. The Heat weren't serious title contenders going into these Playoffs, they had an outside shot but Butler wasn't even viewed as a top 10 player in the league by most, so you can't apply the same standards to him as people do with Lebron. Butler overachieved, the Cavs in '15 didn't. Lebron was up 2 - 1 with a home game to potentially go up 3 - 1 in the Finals and got outplayed by a role player.

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[ThiccBoi]

Kobe Stans and Lebron haters continue to be some of the lowest IQ apes found in the modern era internet

[EllEffEll]

Why is this even important? Geez....

:pimp:

Right?

Jimmy Butler did himself proud, boosted his stock, and has nothing to be ashamed of.

The entire Heat team overperformed in this playoff cycle,. They took out the team that took out the reigning champs (4-2), and they knocked off this current season's team with the most wins (4-1), and did it with a team that few expected to make it anywhere near where they ended up.

[Roundball_Rock]

Nope, losing in the finals only counts for one player: LeBron. :lol

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Pretty easy answer: Butler isn't held to top 5/top 10 goat standards.

Besides, nobody took a legacy hit. Its a damn bubble. Magic Johnson had like 15 strippers next to him in playoffs, he never was trapped in a prison bubble.

[brownmamba00]

He was out there playing with kendrick nunn and kelly olynyk. Still took 2 games from this stacked lakers team.

Nothing but respect for jimmy meatballs

[Axe]

Right?

Jimmy Butler did himself proud, boosted his stock, and has nothing to be ashamed of.

The entire Heat team overperformed in this playoff cycle,. They took out the team that took out the reigning champs (4-2), and they knocked off this current season's team with the most wins (4-1), and did it with a team that few expected to make it anywhere near where they ended up.
Reigning champs?

[Kblaze8855]

The entire concept is and always was ****ing stupid.