LeBron’s playoff and Finals stats in his mid 30s are better than Peak Jordan

[Gus Hemmingway]

:wtf:

Insane when you think about mid 30’s LeBron outproducing a Peak MJ

LeBrons 2016, 2017, 2018, 2020 playoffs and Finals stats wise were basically on par or better than the absolute Peak of MJs stats

And this is a 33-35 year old LeBron vs 25-28 year old Jordan


How do Jordan stans respond to this?


We already know peak for peak LeBrons stats are much better (37.4 PER in the 2009 postseason >> any of Jordan’s)

LeBron also has 8 30+ PER Finals runs compared to 2 for MJ


Look at triple doubles, FG%, win shares, playoff PER etc




It’s laughable to compare MJs stats to LeBron now

[BigKobeFan]

2011 and the Decision still exist.

[Roundball_Rock]

2011 and the Decision still exist.

Damn, that is all that is left? :oldlol:

[LAmbruh]

Yes, Kobe got swept with HCA in 2011 and his Decision to r*pe Kate Faber still haunts him to this day, thanks for reminding us

Jesus, death by suicide :biggums:

The morgue continues overflowing with brick stains (no pun)

[OldSchoolBBall]

There are two ways to look at this: 1) you actually believe that a 36 year old Lebron in his 19th season is better than the actual peak of the GOAT, or 2) you realize that the combination of his ball dominance, star-centric offenses, and the absurdly lax defense and wide open lanes today allow superstars to put up numbers hitherto unseen. I know which one I believe...

[BigtimeNBAFan]

2011 and the Decision still exist.

The Decision was tacky, but seriously who gives a sh*t? If that still bothers you 10 years later, you got issues.

And yeah he was bad in the 2011 finals. Kobe was awful against the Mavs in the second round the same year and massively choked away game 1. Not to mention how terrible he was in the 04 Finals.

Players are judged for their career, not just a bad series, especially when they have won 4 titles since that bad series.

[BigtimeNBAFan]

There are two ways to look at this: 1) you actually believe that a 36 year old Lebron in his 19th season is better than the actual peak of the GOAT, or 2) you realize that the combination of his ball dominance, star-centric offenses, and the absurdly lax defense and wide open lanes today allow superstars to put up numbers hitherto unseen. I know which one I believe...

Even in your post attacking Lebron it shows his greatness. Lebron was in his 17th season, more than most star players even play and was still the best in the world dominating a finals. Your post might have some foreshadowing though, I could certainly still see Lebron being great in his nineteenth season.

[TheCorporation]

Damn, that is all that is left? :oldlol:

Young fella dialed it back 10 years to dig up a Finals loss :lol

Keeping digging if you want to find a LeBron 1st round loss

KEEP LOOKING

[SouBeachTalents]

Damn, that is all that is left? :oldlol:
What else they have left? 4 FMVP's later and he hasn't even had a bad playoff series since then

[bullettooth]

What else they have left? 4 FMVP's later and he hasn't even had a bad playoff series since then

Yeah, not like he lost 4 additional finals.

Bron jock sniffers clearly have amnesia.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yeah, not like he lost 4 additional finals.

Bron jock sniffers clearly have amnesia.
4 titles & 8 Finals, embarrassing

[TheCorporation]

4 titles & 8 Finals, embarrassing

Pathetic. 9 Finals in 10 years?

What a choker

[BigtimeNBAFan]

Yeah, not like he lost 4 additional finals.

Bron jock sniffers clearly have amnesia.

Yeah how dare he win 4 titles and make 4 more finals. What a terrible run!

[TheGoatest]

And on top of that he has a career where he wasn't swept in the first round in his prime and also doesn't have a 1-9 record in the playoffs without one particular player.

[Bawkish]

Bron had a 1-9 record against GSW

[SouBeachTalents]

Bron had a 1-9 record against GSW
No he didn't

[TheGoatest]

2011 and the Decision still exist.

https://images2.imagebam.com/da/70/7f/011ef01356279936.png

[Spurs m8]

Bron had a 1-9 record against GSW

This doesn't get talked about enough....that team absolutely raped him, whilst he also gave his direct opponent fmvp BOTH TIMES

[Roundball_Rock]

What else they have left? 4 FMVP's later and he hasn't even had a bad playoff series since then

True. It is sad to see how low they have gotten. An emerging TP is Jordan>LeBron because Jordan was more popular. They are dressing it up as more "off court impact" but their data points are popularity like TV ratings, not Jordan doing anything for society like LeBron is taking on racism, Trump, voter suppression, etc. (real off court impact).

[ZenMaster7210]

There are two ways to look at this: 1) you actually believe that a 36 year old Lebron in his 19th season is better than the actual peak of the GOAT, or 2) you realize that the combination of his ball dominance, star-centric offenses, and the absurdly lax defense and wide open lanes today allow superstars to put up numbers hitherto unseen. I know which one I believe...
:applause::pimp::dancin:hammertime:

[r0drig0lac]

6-6-5-1 >>> 4-4-4

[SouBeachTalents]

6-6-5-1 >>> 4-4-4
Very solid reason why Jordan will retain his status as GOAT. But LeBron is going to win that comparison versus every other player with the exception of Kareem, and even his last 2 titles were role player ones

[Overdrive]

:wtf:

Insane when you think about mid 30’s LeBron outproducing a Peak MJ

LeBrons 2016, 2017, 2018, 2020 playoffs and Finals stats wise were basically on par or better than the absolute Peak of MJs stats

And this is a 33-35 year old LeBron vs 25-28 year old Jordan


How do Jordan stans respond to this?


We already know peak for peak LeBrons stats are much better (37.4 PER in the 2009 postseason >> any of Jordan’s)

LeBron also has 8 30+ PER Finals runs compared to 2 for MJ


Look at triple doubles, FG%, win shares, playoff PER etc




It’s laughable to compare MJs stats to LeBron now

Also better stats than peak Lebron. The NBA just has increased stats across the league.

[Goldrush25]

2011 and the Decision still exist.

You guys should thank God every night that 2011 happened. If not this would've been a done deal years ago. 2011 gives MJ a chance in hell of holding onto GOAT.

[ZenMaster7210]

You guys should thank God every night that 2011 happened. If not this would've been a done deal years ago. 2011 gives MJ a chance in hell of holding onto GOAT.

I can play that game too. You guys should thank God Jordan retired in 2 times after each of his 3 peats. If not not this would not even be a discussion.

[Roundball_Rock]

Also better stats than peak Lebron. The NBA just has increased stats across the league.

Agree. One caveat: LeBron detractors never apply stat inflation (exacerbated by bubble inflation in the 20' PO) to Davis. :oldlol: As if Davis' 28/10/4 would be exactly that in 2010, 2000 or 1990. They take those stats and say AD=KAJ or AD>Hakeem.

[Overdrive]

Agree. One caveat: LeBron detractors never apply stat inflation (exacerbated by bubble inflation in the 20' PO) to Davis. :oldlol: As if Davis' 28/10/4 would be exactly that in 2010, 2000 or 1990. They take those stats and say AD=KAJ or AD>Hakeem.

Of course. Applies to everyone, bug I think there's a legit 90s comparison for AD. That would be Pat Ewing. Often injured jump shooting big, who defends well. I think his AT rank is capped right at Pat's. Hakeem, KAJ? :lol

[Roundball_Rock]

Of course. Applies to everyone, bug I think there's a legit 90s comparison for AD. That would be Pat Ewing. Often injured jump shooting big, who defends well. I think his AT rank is capped right at Pat's. Hakeem, KAJ? :lol

Good comp. AD will be Ewing at the low end, Robinson at the high end. So somewhere between top 20-40 all-time when it is all said and done.

Yeah, the KAJ and Hakeem stuff is crazy. :oldlol: He doesn't have a shot at top 10. He has been in the NBA for 8 years already. No one was saying he was KAJ in the first 7 years.

[Bronbron23]

:wtf:

Insane when you think about mid 30’s LeBron outproducing a Peak MJ

LeBrons 2016, 2017, 2018, 2020 playoffs and Finals stats wise were basically on par or better than the absolute Peak of MJs stats

And this is a 33-35 year old LeBron vs 25-28 year old Jordan


How do Jordan stans respond to this?


We already know peak for peak LeBrons stats are much better (37.4 PER in the 2009 postseason >> any of Jordan’s)

LeBron also has 8 30+ PER Finals runs compared to 2 for MJ


Look at triple doubles, FG%, win shares, playoff PER etc




It’s laughable to compare MJs stats to LeBron now

Of course they are this era is like stats on steroids. The league put in rules to make this happen and it worked. This is why just stats isn't an accurate way to measure shit.

[FireDavidKahn]

LeBron owns 3 of the 5 highest 2 point FG% runs in playoff history.

In his 17th season he set the record:bowdown:

https://i.imgur.com/G0RnQch.png

[Bronbron23]

LeBron owns 3 of the 5 highest 2 point FG% runs in playoff history.

In his 17th season he set the record:bowdown:

https://i.imgur.com/G0RnQch.png

So did a 20 point scorer who who almost nobody wanted a year ago. This is easily the easiest era ever to get stats. This is what the league wanted. All stats from here on in you have to take with a grain of salt unless they make some rule changes

[FireDavidKahn]

So did a 20 point scorer who who almost nobody wanted a year ago. This is easily the easiest era ever to get stats. This is what the league wanted. All stats from here on in you have to take with a grain of salt unless they make some rule changes

Who is this person you claim had the record until LeBron broke it this year? That'd mean this person would be #2 on the list.

What does the list say?

[Gus Hemmingway]

:eek:

[8Ball]

I used to think Jordan had a higher peak.

But I don't truly believe this anymore.

2018 playoff run and 2009 playoff run are to me the greatest playoff performance runs ever.

2012 playoff run was also insane.

All 3 of those years LeBron either won the MVP or was runner up in MVP 2018.

[light]

:wtf:

Insane when you think about mid 30’s LeBron outproducing a Peak MJ

LeBrons 2016, 2017, 2018, 2020 playoffs and Finals stats wise were basically on par or better than the absolute Peak of MJs stats

And this is a 33-35 year old LeBron vs 25-28 year old Jordan


How do Jordan stans respond to this?


We already know peak for peak LeBrons stats are much better (37.4 PER in the 2009 postseason >> any of Jordan’s)

LeBron also has 8 30+ PER Finals runs compared to 2 for MJ


Look at triple doubles, FG%, win shares, playoff PER etc




It’s laughable to compare MJs stats to LeBron now

LeBron is a lot better than Jordan. Everyone knows that.

[Bronbron23]

:wtf:

Insane when you think about mid 30’s LeBron outproducing a Peak MJ

LeBrons 2016, 2017, 2018, 2020 playoffs and Finals stats wise were basically on par or better than the absolute Peak of MJs stats

And this is a 33-35 year old LeBron vs 25-28 year old Jordan


How do Jordan stans respond to this?


We already know peak for peak LeBrons stats are much better (37.4 PER in the 2009 postseason >> any of Jordan’s)

LeBron also has 8 30+ PER Finals runs compared to 2 for MJ


Look at triple doubles, FG%, win shares, playoff PER etc




It’s laughable to compare MJs stats to LeBron now

Yup ball dominant players dont usually win but they get insane stats. I wonder who won more:facepalm

[Manny98]

Yup ball dominant players dont usually win but they get insane stats. I wonder who won more:facepalm
"Ball dominant" LeBron has won more than anyone...

[Roundball_Rock]

So did a 20 point scorer who who almost nobody wanted a year ago. This is easily the easiest era ever to get stats. This is what the league wanted. All stats from here on in you have to take with a grain of salt unless they make some rule changes

So why do MJ fans on ISH daily post stats from this era and compare it to MJ's teammates in the 90's (they never post the stats for MJ's comp, I wonder why)? You don't do it but MJ fan after MJ fan does. We are supposed to compare stats in a series where the teams scored 88 and 80 to this era--straight up. Not even a mention of the easier era for offensive players.



"Ball dominant" LeBron has won more than anyone...

Yeah, it is a weird talking point. 4 chips, 10 finals, 11 conference finals from 2007-2020. Who in his era had more team success? Yet people are talking about LeBron like he is Grant Hill or T Mac. :lol

[Gus Hemmingway]

Discuss

[And1AllDay]

LeBron is a lot better than Jordan. Everyone knows that.

+1

mike fighting for top 5 at this point

[Bronbron23]

:wtf:

Insane when you think about mid 30’s LeBron outproducing a Peak MJ

LeBrons 2016, 2017, 2018, 2020 playoffs and Finals stats wise were basically on par or better than the absolute Peak of MJs stats

And this is a 33-35 year old LeBron vs 25-28 year old Jordan


How do Jordan stans respond to this?


We already know peak for peak LeBrons stats are much better (37.4 PER in the 2009 postseason >> any of Jordan’s)

LeBron also has 8 30+ PER Finals runs compared to 2 for MJ


Look at triple doubles, FG%, win shares, playoff PER etc




It’s laughable to compare MJs stats to LeBron now

Bron definitely has the goat longevity but the era has obviously helped bron maintain his stats some. His numbers are better than his own peak even though peak lebron was much better. Plus Bron stans should be careful about ignoring how easy this era is when comparing shit. Someone like luka is gonna have the luxury of playing his whole career in this easier era. He'll most likely blow brons stats out of the water even though bron is a better player. It will also be used to diminish guys like Pippen who's best playoffs wont even compare to borderline stars like jimmy butler who statically had a better run than any of Pippen's

[Baller789]

Hilarous how Bronstans suffer from dementia when comparing stats accross eras.
If thats the case Wilt then pisses on everyone.