Irving and Kobe demanded trades to be away from Lebron/Shaq

[HBK_Kliq_2]

That should automatically disqualify you from being the GOAT. Your co star doesn't even want to play with you lol. Irving got his wish and Kobe got Shaq traded instead. Pippen wanted to be traded when Jordan was gone but he always stuck around when Jordan was there.

[Gray GOAT]

Pippen demanded to be traded in 1997. :oldlol:

[riggyrich]

You somehow made this a GOAT comparison topic and your reason is because a teammate wanted to leave. This may be the dumbest thread yet. Ty for displaying the IQ of the board at the fullest.

[Phoenix]

Kawhi quit on the Spurs and forced a trade. Ain't he your GOAT?

[AirBonner]

Pippen demanded to be traded in 1997. :oldlol:

Oh my that backfired lol

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That should automatically disqualify you from being the GOAT. Your co star doesn't even want to play with you lol. Irving got his wish and Kobe got Shaq traded instead. Pippen wanted to be traded when Jordan was gone but he always stuck around when Jordan was there.

You picked two selfish guys in Kobe and Kyrie who are known to be the most toxic teammates in history.

[tpols]

Pippen demanded to be traded in 1997. :oldlol:

Pippen demanded to be traded in 1999 too when he bombed out in the playoffs aside Charles Barkley. (who played great in the playoffs)

Then he went to Portland averaged 15 ppg and led one of the worst chokes ever ~ WCF G7 in 2000.

Pippy poo was a joke. :lol

[JohnMax]

Lebron fans are truly Lebron fans. Kawhi fans are just Lebron-haters who found a guy through which to canalize their hate.

[light]

Pippen demanded to be traded in 1997. :oldlol:

Not only that, but Horace Grant hated Jordan and left by 1994.

[light]

Pippen demanded to be traded in 1999 too when he bombed out in the playoffs aside Charles Barkley. (who played great in the playoffs)

Then he went to Portland averaged 15 ppg and led one of the worst chokes ever ~ WCF G7 in 2000.

Pippy poo was a joke. :lol

Pip got a lot further without MJ than MJ did without Pip.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Pippen demanded to be traded in 1997. :oldlol:

He never was traded though so he obviously changed his mind. Irving never changed his mind and ran away from Lebron hahahah

[Phoenix]

He never was traded though so he obviously changed his mind. Irving never changed his mind and ran away from Lebron hahahah

Kawhi ran from the Spurs. Thoughts?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi ran from the Spurs. Thoughts?

No superstar ever demanded a trade to be away from Kawhi. And you wonder why LeBron got his ass handed to him in the 2018 finals lol

[Phoenix]

No superstar ever demanded a trade to be away from Kawhi. And you wonder why LeBron got his ass handed to him in the 2018 finals lol

I didn't say anything about anyone demanding a trade from him. I'm asking you for your thoughts on why he Kawhit on the Spurs.

[The Iron Fist]

You picked two selfish guys in Kobe and Kyrie who are known to be the most toxic teammates in history.

Shaq was as toxic as anyone in history.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Player X is better than player Y. Player Y's ego can't handle that. Looks like a player Y problem, not a player X problem.

[Goldrush25]

He never was traded though so he obviously changed his mind. Irving never changed his mind and ran away from Lebron hahahah

He didn't change his mind, they just said no. Not really much more to it than that. He wasn't going to forfeit salary.

[Roundball_Rock]

Pippen wanted to be traded when Jordan was gone but he always stuck around when Jordan was there.

Pippen wanted to leave with or without MJ. His beef was with Krause and his contract did not involve any player.

Jordan is the one who demanded Pippen be retained or else he would retire--which is ultimately what happened.


He didn't change his mind, they just said no. Not really much more to it than that. He wasn't going to forfeit salary.

They couldn't find appropriate value and they didn't want to sell for pennies on the dollar like Sixers did with Barkley (the Sixers traded him for Hornacek and two role players). The best offers probably were one of Rice or Steve Smith plus Seiklay straight up for Pippen or Sprewell (fresh of being all-NBA 1st team)/Gugoliotta for Pippen. Not equal value for a top 5 player, though. It is almost impossible to get equal value for that caliber a player. When you see a player like that traded, the team giving him away usually takes a loss.

Rare cases are like the PG trade (PG was considered top 5 by many after 19'), but only because the Clippers were suckers and allowed OKC to rob them blind. :lol

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Pippen wanted to leave with or without MJ. His beef was with Krause and his contract did not involve any player.

Jordan is the one who demanded Pippen be retained or else he would retire--which is ultimately what happened.



They couldn't find appropriate value and they didn't want to sell for pennies on the dollar like Sixers did with Barkley (the Sixers traded him for Hornacek and two role players). The best offers probably were one of Rice or Steve Smith plus Seiklay straight up for Pippen or Sprewell (fresh of being all-NBA 1st team)/Gugoliotta for Pippen. Not equal value for a top 5 player, though. It is almost impossible to get equal value for that caliber a player. When you see a player like that traded, the team giving him away usually takes a loss.

Rare cases are like the PG trade (PG was considered top 5 by many after 19'), but only because the Clippers were suckers and allowed OKC to rob them blind. :lol

How come LeBron couldn't demand that Irving be retained? Like you said Jordan did with Pippen. That's why Jordan won a ring in 1998 and LeBron failed to win a ring in 2018. The 2018 warriors were pushed to 7 by rockets that year, LeBron could of had a chance with Irving. LeBron failed to keep a superstar teammate happy.

Its the same thing as George and Durant leaving Westbrook. There may be different motives because Irving won the title but same result: you failed to keep your superstar co teammate happy. Or is Irving just that big of a cancer? If Irving wins title with Durant, that's a major blow to LeBron's legacy.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Player X is better than player Y. Player Y's ego can't handle that. Looks like a player Y problem, not a player X problem.

Player x should be the better man and solve the problem. Be the leader and not chase his co star away. It looks ok now because LeBron got his 4th ring anyway. However, Irving winning a ring with Durant will bite LeBron's legacy in the ass.

[Roundball_Rock]

How come LeBron couldn't demand that Irving be retained? Like you said Jordan did with Pippen.

He could have but didn't. He didn't depend on Irving the way MJ did with Pippen. MJ literally retired as the reigning MVP rather than play without Pippen, after all. The excuse is he did it as a FU to Krause and Reinsdorf but that is a BS narrative. Jordan was a free agent. He could have played for 28 other teams with another owner and GM.

Meanwhile LeBron was back in the finals without Kyrie.

[GrayGoat]

How come LeBron couldn't demand that Irving be retained? Like you said Jordan did with Pippen. That's why Jordan won a ring in 1998 and LeBron failed to win a ring in 2018. The 2018 warriors were pushed to 7 by rockets that year, LeBron could of had a chance with Irving. LeBron failed to keep a superstar teammate happy.

Its the same thing as George and Durant leaving Westbrook. There may be different motives because Irving won the title but same result: you failed to keep your superstar co teammate happy. Or is Irving just that big of a cancer? If Irving wins title with Durant, that's a major blow to LeBron's legacy.

Celtics couldn’t retain Irving

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He didn't change his mind, they just said no. Not really much more to it than that. He wasn't going to forfeit salary.

1996-1998 Pippen could of got himself traded but Jordan talked the organization out of it. Pippen was never mad at Jordan, he was mad about Krause under paying him.

So what's irvings deal? Its not the same problem. Irving just didn't want to play with LeBron anymore.

[MaxPlayer]

I don't like LeBron, so the things that LeBron did are the same things that disqualify players from being Goat

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He could have but didn't. He didn't depend on Irving the way MJ did with Pippen. MJ literally retired as the reigning MVP rather than play without Pippen, after all. The excuse is he did it as a FU to Krause and Reinsdorf but that is a BS narrative. Jordan was a free agent. He could have played for 28 other teams with another owner and GM.

Meanwhile LeBron was back in the finals without Kyrie.

I get your point there. Jordan could of signed with another team on a 2 year deal or something. LeBron will pass him up in longevity or already has. Despite all that, Jordan still has superior finals MVPS because he kept Pippen around. LeBron couldn't keep Irving around and eliminated his ring chances in 2018. Shaq also could of had more rings if he stayed with Kobe from 2005-2006.

They both have the same issue: Kobe doesn't like Shaq and Irving doesn't like LeBron.

The better players (Shaq, lebron) take the blame and legacy hit (lose ring count). This will matter if LeBron stays at only 4 rings like Shaq did.

Shaq/Kobe would of beat spurs in 2005 like they always do and won ring.

Irving/LeBron coud of had a chance against the declining Durant warriors in 2018 that were taken to 7 by 5 games of Chris Paul.

[GrayGoat]

I don't like LeBron, so the things that LeBron did are the same things that disqualify players from being Goat

That’s like saying if I jump off this skyscraper without a parachute I will live. You can believe something and it won’t make it true or anymore real. (Don’t jump btw)

[Roundball_Rock]

1996-1998 Pippen could of got himself traded but Jordan talked the organization out of it. Pippen was never mad at Jordan, he was mad about Krause under paying him.

So what's irvings deal? Its not the same problem. Irving just didn't want to play with LeBron anymore.

Those are established facts. Why isn't it spun as a plus that LeBron didn't feel the need to demand that Irving be retained? You could construe it that way as well.


Irving/LeBron coud of had a chance against the declining Durant warriors in 2018 that were taken to 7 by 5 games of Chris Paul.

I doubt it. They were crushing with Irving in 17' and the 18' team was even worse. Plus, we have seen since that Irving isn't a big team impact guy. Why would we think a guy whose teams are better with Rozier or Dinwiddie would turn a sweep into a finals win?

Jordan co-existed with other stars like Pippen, Rodman better than LeBron and Kyrie or Shaq in multiple stops. That is a plus for MJ. No dispute there.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Not when that will make the team worse. Like with Irving and James. Even if James turned into an elite spot up shooter from three and off ball slasher, the team wouldn't be better giving Irving the reigns on offense. He's not a good enough player for that. Irving's offensive game would capitalize on James' adjustment and wouldn't help improve the other players either. You lose a ton of value by dropping James playmaking so Irving can iso more. It may soothe Irving's ego, but there no possible way the team improves by doing that.

On top of that, Irving is a perpetual injury risk and generally unstable nutcase who is incapable of providing consistent, long-term title level leadership.

Kobe running from Shaq is a poor example too. Kobe's ego cost the Lakers a title on '04 with Shaw more or less deferring to him. He drove Shaq away and the Lakers catered for a few years under Kobe's early tenure as the main guy. Meanwhile Shaq played second fiddle to Wade and won a title. Shaq certainly has his own ego problems, but placating Kobe wasn't going to solve anything.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Those are established facts. Why isn't it spun as a plus that LeBron didn't feel the need to demand that Irving be retained? You could construe it that way as well.



I doubt it. They were crushing with Irving in 17' and the 18' team was even worse. Plus, we have seen since that Irving isn't a big team impact guy. Why would we think a guy whose teams are better with Rozier or Dinwiddie would turn a sweep into a finals win?

Jordan co-existed with other stars like Pippen, Rodman better than LeBron and Kyrie or Shaq in multiple stops. That is a plus for MJ. No dispute there.

A repeat is tough. 2013 heat struggled to do it, Duncan never did it, 2018 warriors struggled to do it down 2-3 to harden. so Irving around could of gave them a chance to beat them. So the way I look at it, LeBron not being tied with Jordan for 6 rings is his own fault.

2011 - not co existing on court with Wade
2018 - not co existing off court with Irving

Celtics 2018 or 2020 never played MVP Giannis, they replaced Irving with Kemba and were not much better despite Tatum's 3rd year jump. Trashcal took Celtics to 7 and they had Kemba in there for Irving + improved Tatum

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Not when that will make the team worse. Like with Irving and James. Even if James turned into an elite spot up shooter from three and off ball slasher, the team wouldn't be better giving Irving the reigns on offense. He's not a good enough player for that. Irving's offensive game would capitalize on James' adjustment and wouldn't help improve the other players either. You lose a ton of value by dropping James playmaking so Irving can iso more. It may soothe Irving's ego, but there no possible way the team improves by doing that.

On top of that, Irving is a perpetual injury risk and generally unstable nutcase who is incapable of providing consistent, long-term title level leadership.

Kobe running from Shaq is a poor example too. Kobe's ego cost the Lakers a title on '04 with Shaw more or less deferring to him. He drove Shaq away and the Lakers catered for a few years under Kobe's early tenure as the main guy. Meanwhile Shaq played second fiddle to Wade and won a title. Shaq certainly has his own ego problems, but placating Kobe wasn't going to solve anything.

Irving knows that Durant is the best player. Why couldn't LeBron demand this respect from Irving? Irving averaged 27PPG in finals and hit the biggest shot of game 7, 40 points on road in game 5. Irving was playing like a superstar. Lebron failed to keep Irving around and instead had Jr Smith in 2018 hahaha

As far as 2005, shaq/Kobe staying together and they eliminate Duncan. You're the spurs fan from other boards, I remember you. So you should that Phil Jackson owns your spurs at an 18-8 playoff record against them. So if Shaq just accepted 2nd option role like he did with Miami 2006? That's 2 more rings for shaq Kobe in 2005/2006 seasons.

Side note: if Kawhi was born earlier and had Phil Jackson, he would always torch and eliminate Duncan/Manu/Parker but it would be even worse since Kawhi > kobe

[SouBeachTalents]

It hasn't quite worked out for Kyrie the way it did for Kobe

[BigtimeNBAFan]

None of this stuff matters for the GOAT discussion. Also Kawhi quit on a team, sits out games while healthy in his prime and blows 3-1 leads. If Lebron did any of that stuff you guys would roast him endlessly. Imagine if instead of leading the Cavs to the Finals in 2018 with a poor supporting cast he decided to just sit out the season despite being medically cleared to play? It is unthinkable, but that is what Kawhi did.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

None of this stuff matters for the GOAT discussion. Also Kawhi quit on a team, sits out games while healthy in his prime and blows 3-1 leads. If Lebron did any of that stuff you guys would roast him endlessly. Imagine if instead of leading the Cavs to the Finals in 2018 with a poor supporting cast he decided to just sit out the season despite being medically cleared to play? It is unthinkable, but that is what Kawhi did.

Kawhi has led his team in minutes or GmSc and eliminated prime LeBron, durant, curry, harden, Giannis, butler. Kawhi also still has 3-4 finals MVPS left in his tank at this point.

2018 - LeBron can sit out this series and his legacy right now would be the exact same. Sweep in finals is not that big of a deal. Shaq 1995 finals run could eliminate and he's still who he is as well.

Curry/Durant have missed seasons and Jordan missed the 1994 season. Can't pick on Kawhi there.

3-1 lead blown to nuggets was when Kawhi had highest GmSc of any player. You can't ever blame a player for losing a series if he leads all players in GmSc. I blame LeBron for not keeping Irving around longer.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

It hasn't quite worked out for Kyrie the way it did for Kobe

He played with junior college Tatum. Wait until Irving gets a superstar like Durant, that's a guaranteed finals performance in the east.

[8Ball]

Kawhi Leonard is a quitter.

[SouBeachTalents]

He played with junior college Tatum. Wait until Irving gets a superstar like Durant, that's a guaranteed finals performance in the east.
You mean the same Celtics team that was literally a few minutes away from making the Finals and beating LeBron without him the year before?

[tpols]

Also Kawhi quit on a team, sits out games while healthy in his prime and blows 3-1 leads. If Lebron did any of that stuff you guys would roast him endlessly.

Uh... Lebron quit on a team too. "The Decision" had his fans burning his jersey in the streets.

https://media.npr.org/assets/news/2010/07/09/lejudas01-135718ac0c42c78f4e8ba8e916c70eb3e1e2eee7-s800-c85.jpg

And 2011 was waaaay worse than what Kawhi did. Kawhi's 28/9/6 playoff numbers this year blow LeBron's 18 PPG Finals choke away.

You have to be a rockhead alt. Nobody is this dense lol.

:biggums:

[Roundball_Rock]

You mean the same Celtics team that was literally a few minutes away from making the Finals and beating LeBron without him the year before?

Yup--and was back in the ECF the year after Kyrie left. :oldlol:

[Ainosterhaspie]

Irving and Durant are not a great pairing. Durant is a capable defender, though not particularly devoted there. Irving is subpar. Defense for that team will be iffy. That's before questions about Durant's recovery from his Achilles injury ate answeres and ignoring the 50/50 odds Irving is out with injury at a key juncture.

On offense, Durant is elite scoring for himself, but doesn't help make things better for teammates. Same story with Irving. Those two get you 75 points or so a game, but the remaining 35-45 the team will need are going to be issues Irving and Durant don't help with much. And neither is much of a defer to the system guy. Durant did ok with that in 2017, but by 2018 was abandoning it. They'll need a system because give it to Irving then give it to Durant won't cut it for four playoff rounds.

Several East teams will will challenge Durant and Irving with strong defenses including Celtics, Raptors and Heat. Really making it to the ECF is probably exceeding reasonable expectations for them.

[ThatCoolKid]

OP is braindead. Shaq was the one who ended up leaving Kobe so Lebron and Kobe are the analogous parties alongside Shaq and Kyrie in OP's own analogy. Therefore Kobe cannot be GOAT either by OP's own logic :lol

[MaxPlayer]

Kawhi Leonard is a quitter.

Jordan also quit, therefore Kawhi is the Goat

[HBK_Kliq_2]

You mean the same Celtics team that was literally a few minutes away from making the Finals and beating LeBron without him the year before?

Olidapo also took 2018 cavs to 7. Celtics couldn't even take a 5 seed heat to 6 games and they replaced Irving with Kemba hahahha

Irving is a 5-7 OBPM type player and clutch as hell. Excellent sidekick co star. Irving is way more dangerous in big games then Kyle Lowry for example.

[Roundball_Rock]

Olidapo also took 2018 cavs to 7. Celtics couldn't even take a 5 seed heat to 6 games and they replaced Irving with Kemba hahahha

Irving is a 5-7 OBPM type player and clutch as hell. Excellent sidekick co star. Irving is way more dangerous in big games then Kyle Lowry for example.

The Celtics took the East champs to 6 this year.

Irving is a cancer. That 5-7 OBPM comes at the expense of his teammate's production. The net results speak for themselves: his teams consistently do better without him.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Irving and Durant are not a great pairing. Durant is a capable defender, though not particularly devoted there. Irving is subpar. Defense for that team will be iffy. That's before questions about Durant's recovery from his Achilles injury ate answeres and ignoring the 50/50 odds Irving is out with injury at a key juncture.

On offense, Durant is elite scoring for himself, but doesn't help make things better for teammates. Same story with Irving. Those two get you 75 points or so a game, but the remaining 35-45 the team will need are going to be issues Irving and Durant don't help with much. And neither is much of a defer to the system guy. Durant did ok with that in 2017, but by 2018 was abandoning it. They'll need a system because give it to Irving then give it to Durant won't cut it for four playoff rounds.

Several East teams will will challenge Durant and Irving with strong defenses including Celtics, Raptors and Heat. Really making it to the ECF is probably exceeding reasonable expectations for them.

Durant is better then Giannis, Butler, Tatum

Irving in big playoff games is better then Lowry, Middleton, Bam.

I would say nets should be favorites to make finals if their role players can shape up.

[SouBeachTalents]

Olidapo also took 2018 cavs to 7. Celtics couldn't even take a 5 seed heat to 6 games and they replaced Irving with Kemba hahahha

Irving is a 5-7 OBPM type player and clutch as hell. Excellent sidekick co star. Irving is way more dangerous in big games then Kyle Lowry for example.
Kyrie at his best is tiers above Lowry as a scorer, but Lowry is a better playmaker and MUCH better defender & teammate/leader

If I have a superstar in place, give me Kyrie

If I have a cast like the '18 Celtics & '20 Raptors, give me Lowry

And while Lowry is no iron man, let's not forget Kyrie's missed a Finals and TWO different playoff runs just in the last 6 seasons

[HBK_Kliq_2]

OP is braindead. Shaq was the one who ended up leaving Kobe so Lebron and Kobe are the analogous parties alongside Shaq and Kyrie in OP's own analogy. Therefore Kobe cannot be GOAT either by OP's own logic :lol


Kobe demanded a trade. Lakers told Kobe they would trade Shaq instead. Kobe was happy. Kobe went on to win 2 rings without Shaq and replaced him with Pau Gasol

Irving didn't want to play with Lebron. Irving demanded a trade and left team via free agency to replace LeBron with Durant. I'm sure they are going to go to at least 2-3 finals without LeBron.

Now do you get it? Shaq and Lebron are the ones who look bad in all this because their sidekicks win rings without them. I don't see Kyle Lowry winning rings without Kawhi EVER.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe demanded a trade. Lakers told Kobe they would trade Shaq instead. Kobe was happy. Kobe went on to win 2 rings without Shaq and replaced him with Pau Gasol

Irving didn't want to play with Lebron. Irving demanded a trade and left team via free agency to replace LeBron with Durant. I'm sure they are going to go to at least 2-3 finals without LeBron.

Now do you get it? Shaq and Lebron are the ones who look bad in all this because their sidekicks win rings without them. I don't see Kyle Lowry winning rings without Kawhi EVER.
Kobe demanded the trade after Shaq left

[HBK_Kliq_2]

The Celtics took the East champs to 6 this year.

Irving is a cancer. That 5-7 OBPM comes at the expense of his teammate's production. The net results speak for themselves: his teams consistently do better without him.

Irving can create his own shot at any time, guys like Lowry can't do that.

Cavs with Irving: championship

Cavs without Irving: swept

Celtics had the Tatum 3rd year jump but still only won 5 more playoff games despite also adding Kemba. Closed out by rookie Herro hahaha Irving didn't want to play with a dork like Tatum. Irving has KD now and is happy, heavy favorites in the East I think.

I don't really see a cancer there. He's an incredible offensive player. His 2016 finals series averaging 27PPG? Lowry wouldn't do that in his dreams

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kyrie at his best is tiers above Lowry as a scorer, but Lowry is a better playmaker and MUCH better defender & teammate/leader

If I have a superstar in place, give me Kyrie

If I have a cast like the '18 Celtics & '20 Raptors, give me Lowry

And while Lowry is no iron man, let's not forget Kyrie's missed a Finals and TWO different playoff runs just in the last 6 seasons

Irving 2016 finals was the GOAT sidekick playoff series. Name me a better one.

[SouBeachTalents]

Irving 2016 finals was the GOAT sidekick playoff series. Name me a better one.
How do we define sidekick? Are we considering '01 Kobe or either Durant/Curry one?

[tpols]

How do we define sidekick? Are we considering '01 Kobe or either Durant/Curry one?

If you have to ask that question, you're making his point.

[Wally450]

Irving can create his own shot at any time, guys like Lowry can't do that.

Cavs with Irving: championship

Cavs without Irving: swept

Celtics had the Tatum 3rd year jump but still only won 5 more playoff games despite also adding Kemba. Closed out by rookie Herro hahaha Irving didn't want to play with a dork like Tatum. Irving has KD now and is happy, heavy favorites in the East I think.

I don't really see a cancer there. He's an incredible offensive player. His 2016 finals series averaging 27PPG? Lowry wouldn't do that in his dreams


What an all around terrible post.

[2ball]

Kobe demanded a trade. Lakers told Kobe they would trade Shaq instead. Kobe was happy. Kobe went on to win 2 rings without Shaq and replaced him with Pau Gasol

Irving didn't want to play with Lebron. Irving demanded a trade and left team via free agency to replace LeBron with Durant. I'm sure they are going to go to at least 2-3 finals without LeBron.

Now do you get it? Shaq and Lebron are the ones who look bad in all this because their sidekicks win rings without them. I don't see Kyle Lowry winning rings without Kawhi EVER.

Kobe demanded a trade because he couldn’t carry a team to the playoffs. He wanted to leave. Shaq was long gone before. Please stop making shit up

[kawhileonard2]

Kawhi Leonard is a quitter.

Lebron is a quitter. Dude won 1 title in 11 years for a franchise that drafted him and had to get a guy suspended for that to happen. That's pathetic.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron is a quitter. Dude won 1 title in 11 years for a franchise that drafted him and had to get a guy suspended for that to happen. That's pathetic.
Duncan & Kawhi ain't winning shit with the Cavs either

[kawhileonard2]

Duncan & Kawhi ain't winning shit with the Cavs either

How you figure? Lebron got a 4x DPOY to play with him and also a 3x finals mvp as well.

[Roundball_Rock]

How you figure? Lebron got a 4x DPOY to play with him and also a 3x finals mvp as well.

Yup, because that was prime Shaq and prime Wallace on the Cavs. :lol

[Hey Yo]

Uh... Lebron quit on a team too. "The Decision" had his fans burning his jersey in the streets.

https://media.npr.org/assets/news/2010/07/09/lejudas01-135718ac0c42c78f4e8ba8e916c70eb3e1e2eee7-s800-c85.jpg

And 2011 was waaaay worse than what Kawhi did. Kawhi's 28/9/6 playoff numbers this year blow LeBron's 18 PPG Finals choke away.

You have to be a rockhead alt. Nobody is this dense lol.

:biggums:
Kawhit was still under contract while refusing to play............. James was a free agent.

Try again, chico

[SouBeachTalents]

How you figure? Lebron got a 4x DPOY to play with him and also a 3x finals mvp as well.
This is just lazy and uninspired. The fact you've been making this point for years now just makes it even sadder