it's a statistical FACT that the 89' Cavs were better than anyone lebron beat in East

[3ball]

They had a better combination of SRS (1), DRTG (2), all-stars (3), and preseason odds (+800) than anyone lebron beat in the East

No team that lebron beat comes anywhere NEAR this total combination of numbers - only the 14' Pacers can match the DRTG (trails in everything else by a lot), and the 15' Bulls can match the preseason odds (trails in everything else by a lot)

Ultimately, the 89' Bulls beat the #1 SRS Cavs, so they would beat the #6 Pistons from 07', or the #4 Magic from 09'.. Carry on the fraud tho

[1987_Lakers]

2018 Raps had a higher SRS than the 2018 Warriors. You are grasping for straws.

[Roundball_Rock]

2018 Raps had a higher SRS than the 2018 Warriors. You are grasping for straws.

:lol

It is funny how Pippen sucks but Mark Price was a world beater per the same people.

[3ball]

2018 Raps had a higher SRS than the 2018 Warriors. You are grasping for straws.

18' Raps... #2 SRS... #5 DRTG... 2 all-stars... +15,000 preseason odds
89' Cavs... #1 SRS... #2 DRTG... 3 all-stars... +800 preseason odds


Now stfu

[Mr. Woke]

The Cavs underperformed that year.

[insidious301]

Great team no argument there, but the parameters look arbitrary. Why did you go with DRTG but not ORTG, and allstars but not All-NBA?

[Roundball_Rock]

The Cavs underperformed that year.

They underperformed every year except 1992 IMO. They were a lot better on paper than on the court. Price/Daughtery/Nance should>>>Miller/Smits/Jackson but the latter made 5 ECF and the former only 1.

[Goldrush25]

They had a better combination of SRS (1), DRTG (2), all-stars (3), and preseason odds (+800) than anyone lebron beat in the East

No team that lebron beat comes anywhere NEAR this total combination of numbers - only the 14' Pacers can match the DRTG (trails in everything else by a lot), and the 15' Bulls can match the preseason odds (trails in everything else by a lot)

Ultimately, the 89' Bulls beat the #1 SRS Cavs, so they would beat the #6 Pistons from 07', or the #4 Magic from 09'.. Carry on the fraud tho

Damn, you work at discrediting Lebron more than most people work at their regular jobs.

[8Ball]

Lol 89 Cavs.

LeBron in 3 with AAU roster.

[light]

They had a better combination of SRS (1), DRTG (2), all-stars (3), and preseason odds (+800) than anyone lebron beat in the East

No team that lebron beat comes anywhere NEAR this total combination of numbers - only the 14' Pacers can match the DRTG (trails in everything else by a lot), and the 15' Bulls can match the preseason odds (trails in everything else by a lot)

Ultimately, the 89' Bulls beat the #1 SRS Cavs, so they would beat the #6 Pistons from 07', or the #4 Magic from 09'.. Carry on the fraud tho

Well, for one thing, SRS doesn't mean anything.

But I remember the Cavs from 1989 and they were not a serious threat. Nobody trusted Brad Daughtery, Price and Nance. They were like a team of Paul Georges if Paul George was worse.

The KG/Pierce/Allen Celtics were easily a better basketball team and they have the most important number of all - #1 - they were champions.

In general the 2007 Pistons, 2009 Celtics, 2011 Celtics, 2011 Bulls, 2012 Celtics, 2013 Pacers, 2014 Nets, 2014 Pacers, 2016 Raptors, 2017 Celtics, 2017 Raptors, 2018 Raptors & 2018 Celtics all would've beaten the 1989 Cavs.

[insidious301]

Well, for one thing, SRS doesn't mean anything.

That isn't true.

[scuzzy]

craig ehlo > harden, dame, murray, butler :lol

[Roundball_Rock]

But I remember the Cavs from 1989 and they were not a serious threat. Nobody trusted Brad Daughtery, Price and Nance. They were like a team of Paul Georges if Paul George was worse.


What did Price and Daughtery do against the Bulls?

1989: Price 16/3/6 on 39% from the field, Daughtery 11/9/2 on 36% (as a post player--he was a center)
1992: Price 19/2/5 on 48%, Daughtery 18/10/4 on 47%
1993: Price 14/2/6 on 51%, Daughtery 16/10/4 on 56%
1994: Price 15/2/5 on 35%

1-9ball and his disciples talk about PPG as the be all end all all the time. Notice how Price/Daughtery never clear 20 PPG? Notice their #1 option (Price) averages 16 PPG?

[1987_Lakers]

18' Raps... #2 SRS... #5 DRTG... 2 all-stars... +15,000 preseason odds
89' Cavs... #1 SRS... #2 DRTG... 3 all-stars... +800 preseason odds


Now stfu

The '85 the Bucks had a higher SRS and DRTG than Bird's Celtics & Magic-Kareem Lakers, yet they were considered a tier below those teams.

Now stfu.

[FireDavidKahn]

Preseason odds mean absolutely nothing once the playoffs start

[2ball]

Op has been reduced to the 89 cavs lol

[3ball]

The '85 the Bucks had a higher SRS and DRTG than Bird's Celtics & Magic-Kareem Lakers, yet they were considered a tier below those teams.

Now stfu.

What about all-stars.. what about preseason odds

The 89' Cavs had all four - the best combination of SRS, DRTG, all-stars and odds - than any team Lebron beat.. you have yet to offer a team that can match all four categories, or even three

Ultimately, the 89' Bulls beat the #1 SRS Cavs, so they would beat the #6 Pistons from 07', or the #4 Magic from 09'.. Carry on the fraud tho

[2ball]

They had a better combination of SRS (1), DRTG (2), all-stars (3), and preseason odds (+800) than anyone lebron beat in the East

No team that lebron beat comes anywhere NEAR this total combination of numbers - only the 14' Pacers can match the DRTG (trails in everything else by a lot), and the 15' Bulls can match the preseason odds (trails in everything else by a lot)

Ultimately, the 89' Bulls beat the #1 SRS Cavs, so they would beat the #6 Pistons from 07', or the #4 Magic from 09'.. Carry on the fraud tho

2009 cavs that LeBron dragged to 66 wins has a higher SRS

[Doctor K]

What about all-stars.. what about preseason odds

The 89' Cavs had all four - the best combination of SRS, DRTG, all-stars and odds - than any team Lebron beat.. you have yet to offer a team that can match all four categories, or even three

Ultimately, the 89' Bulls beat the #1 SRS Cavs, so they would beat the #6 Pistons from 07', or the #4 Magic from 09'.. Carry on the fraud tho

What about the preseason odds? ARe you insane? Since when did PRESEASON odds become a big determinant on how good a team was at the end of the season? Give playoffs odds or series odds or something. PRESEASON odds? Really desperate here.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

1989 cavs: 7.95 SRS

2019 bucks: 8.04 SRS

2018 raptors: 7.29 SRS

Kawhi wins again.

[3ball]

What about the preseason odds? ARe you insane? Since when did PRESEASON odds become a big determinant on how good a team was at the end of the season? Give playoffs odds or series odds or something. PRESEASON odds? Really desperate here.

Bulls were a 47-win, 6 seed by the end of season.. #10 SRS.. they were massive underdogs, described by Jordan-hater Sam Smith here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uSPo7lPyAlc&t=17m27s

[red1]

Thank you for not tucking tail 3ball. It's been fun shitting on you. :applause:


You lose bitch. Third franchise that he led to a chip- you look stupid.


Pippen's bulls won 55 games without baldan.

[3ball]

Thank you for not tucking tail 3ball. It's been fun shitting on you. :applause:


You lose bitch. Third franchise that he led to a chip- you look stupid.


Pippen's bulls won 55 games without baldan.

Running?

Each manufactured accolade that lebron gets only illustrates how great MJ was.. lebron is a gauge of mj's greatness, nothing more.. he'll always be the inferior #23 that was too scared to make another number less famous lol.. leFraud

[red1]

Running?

Each manufactured accolade that lebron gets only illustrates how great MJ was.. lebron is a gauge of mj's greatness, nothing more.. the inferior 23 that was to scared to make another number less famous

I won. You said not top 10. I said top 2.


How we looking?

[red1]

quatro...



cinco...?

[3ball]

I won. You said not top 10. I said top 2.


How we looking?

It's too easy to imagine other guys like CP3 doing better with Wade/Bosh.. or 09' Dwight.. or tons of guys would've done better.

These guys aren't better than bron, but if people can easily say they'd do better with Wade/Bosh, then that's a problem for lebron's all-time ranking..

because no one is winning 6 rings with Scottie - the 99' Rockets had him at 3rd option and got destroyed in the 1st Round.. heck, no one ever won 3 rings without their teammate getting FMVP or 25-30 in one of the Finals, so how could anyone win 6 with pippen (who was 0/6 in FMVP and couldn't get 25 ppg)?.. it's impossible..

Carry on tho.. I'm gonna let you enjoy your alternate reality

[plowking]

Is it fact that once Jordan and Bron both won their first titles, that LeBron has been the better player? Stats say so.

Jordan in his 7 playoff runs since he won his first title: 28.1 PER, .558 TS%, .258 WS
LeBron in his 8 playoff runs since he won his first title: 29.7 PER, .596 TS%, .259 WS

Jordan raw stats in his 7 playoff runs since he won his first title: 32.5ppg/6.2rpg/5.3apg/1.9spg/0.8bpg
LeBron raw stats in his 8 playoff runs since he won his first title: 29.2ppg/9.4rpg/7.3apg/1.7spg/0.9bpg

Essentially the same offensive and defensive rating in the playoffs during this time, and the per 100 possession stats reflect the differences pretty accurately in line with the raw stats.

Food for thought.

[3ball]

Is it fact that once Jordan and Bron both won their first titles, that LeBron has been the better player? Stats say so.

Jordan in his 7 playoff runs since he won his first title: 28.1 PER, .558 TS%, .258 WS
LeBron in his 8 playoff runs since he won his first title: 29.7 PER, .596 TS%, .259 WS

Jordan raw stats in his 7 playoff runs since he won his first title: 32.5ppg/6.2rpg/5.3apg/1.9spg/0.8bpg
LeBron raw stats in his 8 playoff runs since he won his first title: 29.2ppg/9.4rpg/7.3apg/1.7spg/0.9bpg

Essentially the same offensive and defensive rating in the playoffs during this time, and the per 100 possession stats reflect the differences pretty accurately in line with the raw stats.

Food for thought.

Who leads in career PER

Who leads in career BPM

Who leads in career WS/48

Who has the higher VORP seasons


Jordan.. Jordan . Jordan.. Jordan..

I didn't read the bable you wrote.. I just saw the letter BPM and then you cherry-picking years to get Lebron's higher

The reality is that lebron averaged 2 to 5 more points than his sidekick when he won the Finals (shared load), while MJ averaged 10-20 more (carry-job)

And lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, so he never had a carry-job against a good team.. otoh, MJ had carry-jobs against many good teams

[TheCorporation]

The '85 the Bucks had a higher SRS and DRTG than Bird's Celtics & Magic-Kareem Lakers, yet they were considered a tier below those teams.

Now stfu.

Roasted his ass :lol

[TheCorporation]

Op has been reduced to the 89 cavs lol

:roll::roll:

BUT MARK PRICE DOE :mad:

[1987_Lakers]

What about the preseason odds? ARe you insane? Since when did PRESEASON odds become a big determinant on how good a team was at the end of the season? Give playoffs odds or series odds or something. PRESEASON odds? Really desperate here.

:roll:

If we went by pre-season odds then the 2013 Lakers would have made the Finals, but we all know how that turned out.

[SouBeachTalents]

What did Price and Daughtery do against the Bulls?

1989: Price 16/3/6 on 39% from the field, Daughtery 11/9/2 on 36% (as a post player--he was a center)
1992: Price 19/2/5 on 48%, Daughtery 18/10/4 on 47%
1993: Price 14/2/6 on 51%, Daughtery 16/10/4 on 56%
1994: Price 15/2/5 on 35%

1-9ball and his disciples talk about PPG as the be all end all all the time. Notice how Price/Daughtery never clear 20 PPG? Notice their #1 option (Price) averages 16 PPG?
3ball completely dodging this post :lol

[TheGoatest]

It's a statistical fact that LeBron beat not one, not two, but three teams in the finals that were better than any team Jordan ever beat in a playoffs/finals series:

https://i.redd.it/g7vmn1o505r01.jpg

[TheCorporation]

It's a statistical fact that LeBron beat not one, not two, but three teams in the finals that were better than any team Jordan ever beat in a playoffs/finals series:

https://i.redd.it/g7vmn1o505r01.jpg

It's Ova

[plowking]

Who leads in career PER

Who leads in career BPM

Who leads in career WS/48

Who has the higher VORP seasons


Jordan.. Jordan . Jordan.. Jordan..

I didn't read the bable you wrote.. I just saw the letter BPM and then you cherry-picking years to get Lebron's higher

The reality is that lebron averaged 2 to 5 more points than his sidekick when he won the Finals (shared load), while MJ averaged 10-20 more (carry-job)

And lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, so he never had a carry-job against a good team.. otoh, MJ had carry-jobs against many good teams

In what way is it cherry picking stats?

Since they won their first titles, and considered to be at the peak of their careers, Bron's output has been higher. Is that not a fact?

Career numbers on an average statistic can be skewed due to the fact that Bron played more seasons, etc. At the height of their careers though, Bron was the more effective player though. This is simply going by the same metrics you like to use. Raw stats mixed with efficiency and advanced stats.

Jordan in his 7 playoff runs since he won his first title: 28.1 PER, .558 TS%, .258 WS
LeBron in his 8 playoff runs since he won his first title: 29.7 PER, .596 TS%, .259 WS

Jordan raw stats in his 7 playoff runs since he won his first title: 32.5ppg/6.2rpg/5.3apg/1.9spg/0.8bpg
LeBron raw stats in his 8 playoff runs since he won his first title: 29.2ppg/9.4rpg/7.3apg/1.7spg/0.9bpg

Not like it isn't close, Bron is just that tiny bit better.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Nobody cares about post season bait dogs and fluffers used to get real contenders primed for games that really matter.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Who leads in career PER

Who leads in career BPM

Who leads in career WS/48

Who has the higher VORP seasons


Jordan.. Jordan . Jordan.. Jordan..

I didn't read the bable you wrote.. I just saw the letter BPM and then you cherry-picking years to get Lebron's higher

The reality is that lebron averaged 2 to 5 more points than his sidekick when he won the Finals (shared load), while MJ averaged 10-20 more (carry-job)

And lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, so he never had a carry-job against a good team.. otoh, MJ had carry-jobs against many good teams

Career playoff BPM - Jordan LeBron kawhi

Career playoff win share 48 - Jordan Mikan LeBron Kawhi

Mikan doesn't really count, so the big 3 is Jordan LeBron kawhi

Side note: Anthony Davis is #1 on career playoff TS

[NBAGOAT]

What about all-stars.. what about preseason odds

The 89' Cavs had all four - the best combination of SRS, DRTG, all-stars and odds - than any team Lebron beat.. you have yet to offer a team that can match all four categories, or even three

Ultimately, the 89' Bulls beat the #1 SRS Cavs, so they would beat the #6 Pistons from 07', or the #4 Magic from 09'.. Carry on the fraud tho

when was ron harper an all star? also price and daugherty choked badly that series so i wouldnt prop them up that much and dont say mj's pure presence on the court made them choke lol. You're whipping boy pippen outplayed both of them so basically pippen was capable of outplaying 2 all stars as early as 89 lol.

[3ball]

when was ron harper an all star? also price and daugherty choked badly that series so i wouldnt prop them up that much and dont say mj's pure presence on the court made them choke lol. You're whipping boy pippen outplayed both of them so basically pippen was capable of outplaying 2 all stars as early as 89 lol.

Cavs had 3 all-stars in 89' (price, daughtery and Nance) plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper..

That's why harper was the 4th best player on the Cavs, but #1 on the Hawks because they lacked an all-way athletic player like harper (whereas the Cavs had Nance)

[SouBeachTalents]

Cavs had 3 all-stars in 89' (price, daughtery and Nance) plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper..

That's why harper was the 4th best player on the Cavs, but #1 on the Hawks because they lacked an all-way athletic player like harper (whereas the Cavs had Nance)
Using 3ball's favorite metric

1992 playoffs
Pippen: 19.8 ppg

Price: 18.5
Daughtery: 17.7
Nance: 17.8

1993 playoffs
Pippen: 18.3 ppg

Price: 13.5
Daughtery: 16
Nance: 17.3

[Round Mound]

Using 3ball's favorite metric

1992 playoffs
Pippen: 19.8 ppg

Price: 18.5
Daughtery: 17.7
Nance: 17.8

1993 playoffs
Pippen: 18.3 ppg

Price: 13.5
Daughtery: 16
Nance: 17.3

:confusedshrug::oldlol:

[NBAGOAT]

Cavs had 3 all-stars in 89' (price, daughtery and Nance) plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper..

That's why harper was the 4th best player on the Cavs, but #1 on the Hawks because they lacked an all-way athletic player like harper (whereas the Cavs had Nance)

When did athleticism make you better than someone by default? I thought you were about skills anyway, this is a big inconsistency from you. I guess all your criticism of Giannis is moot and he’s a goat candidate because of how athletic he is lol.

I agree hawks are overvalued and didn’t deserve 4 all stars but they have good players. I consider taking millsap over nance for one(he and horford were pretty underrated because they weren’t great scorers)

[TheCorporation]

Using 3ball's favorite metric

1992 playoffs
Pippen: 19.8 ppg

Price: 18.5
Daughtery: 17.7
Nance: 17.8

1993 playoffs
Pippen: 18.3 ppg

Price: 13.5
Daughtery: 16
Nance: 17.3

Anthony Pippen outchea :lol

Case closed

[3ball]

Using 3ball's favorite method

1992 playoffs
Pippen: 19.8 ppg

Price: 18.5
Daughtery: 17.7
Nance: 17.8




That's 3 all-stars sharing the load among 3 guys (plus Harper), yet they STILL almost match pippen's peak scoring year that you cherry-picked... :lebronamazed:

^^^ so Jordan was a 1-man team confirmed...

And confirmed again (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BcoVUSypeS4&t=04m18s)

[3BallSucks]

It's a statistical fact that LeBron beat not one, not two, but three teams in the finals that were better than any team Jordan ever beat in a playoffs/finals series:

https://i.redd.it/g7vmn1o505r01.jpg

It's over 3ball

[3ball]

It's over 3ball

That's a dumb chart that measures how top heavy a league is

Lebron never faced an actual talent deficit except 07', 15', and 18'.. and he still should've won in 15', but he was playing like Iverson on offense and Kukoc on defense, so he lost

[8Ball]

Jordan finals opponents were as tough as the Miami Heat.:roll:

[3ball]

Jordan finals opponents were as tough as the Miami Heat.:roll:

MJ never faced a #1 option as weak as butler in the Finals except maybe 1996, but that isn't fair because Payton/Kemp were 1a/1b (2 Butlers)

Butler is a 20 ppg player that played way over his head because lebron sucks.. everyone goes off on lebron, even iggy.. if butler had a smidgen of help, lebron would've lost with Kareem on his team

[3BallSucks]

it's over 3ball

[And1AllDay]

it's over 3ball

hes fighting so hard

for second place at best now :oldlol:

imagine only making 6 finals

like wtf were you doing the rest of your career? waiting for pippen to bail you out?


https://i.postimg.cc/v83kqbKX/bango-bango.gif

[SouBeachTalents]

That's 3 all-stars sharing the load among 3 guys (plus Harper), yet they STILL almost match pippen's peak scoring year that you cherry-picked... :lebronamazed:

^^^ so Jordan was a 1-man team confirmed...

And confirmed again (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BcoVUSypeS4&t=04m18s)
It looks like the guy you criticize on a daily basis for being a scrub, specifically for his scoring outscored everybody on the opposition, including THREE other All-Stars in one series. So either Pippen was an elite player or Jordan's era was weak AF

[And1AllDay]

MJ never faced a #1 option as weak as butler in the Finals except maybe 1996, but that isn't fair because Payton/Kemp were 1a/1b (2 Butlers)

Butler is a 20 ppg player that played way over his head because lebron sucks.. everyone goes off on lebron, even iggy.. if butler had a smidgen of help, lebron would've lost with Kareem on his team

jimmy > all of mikes opponents in his entire career :oldlol: be v vareful if this is brans weakest ring :oldlol:

butler in the finals 26/8/10 on 55%
vs mikes finals opponents

91 magic, 19 ppg on 43%
92 drexler, 25 ppg on 41%
93 barkley, 27 ppg on 48%

(not looking good up to here only 1 dude has more ppgz than butler which is brans weakest ring right?)

96 kemp, 23 ppg on 55%
97 malone, 24 ppg on 44%
98 malone, 25 ppg, on 50%

uh oh YIKES butler scored more ppgz than 5 of 6 mike finals #1 option opponents

mike is not top 5 anymore

[Roundball_Rock]

It looks like the guy you criticize on a daily basis for being a scrub, specifically for his scoring outscored everybody on the opposition, including THREE other All-Stars in one series. So either Pippen was an elite player or Jordan's era was weak AF

Yup. That is a consistent discrepancy in the MJ stan narrative. We know Pippen all-time went down as 5th or 6th for his era. If he was a bum, that discredits the entire era by implication. Pippen is ahead of nearly every player these guys hype. How good could a Mark Price be then if a bum was clearly better than him?



96 kemp, 23 ppg on 55%
97 malone, 24 ppg on 44%
98 malone, 25 ppg, on 50%

Payton was their #1. Payton was 18 PPG on 44%. People think it is Kemp because MJ stans have a woody for hyping him in particular (Miller is the only guy they gas more) for some odd reason.

Payton was good enough to be a MVP candidate and 1st team all-NBA. Kemp never got to that level. Kemp at his best (a 3 year peak) was in the next tier, a clear top 10 player but not in the top 5/MVP/all-NBA first team/etc. conversation.

[Trollsmasher]

yo 3ball were this year's Bucks one of the best teams ever as SRS seems to imply?

[BigtimeNBAFan]

Is this fun for you 3ball? Seems like there are better things to do with your time than just flood the board with trollish anti-Lebron threads. I think we get your opinion on the matter. He is a 4x champ and was dominant yet again. You always have next year to hope the Clippers or Warriors stop him.

[Shooter]

It's over 3ball

100%

Imagine fighting this hard just to be #2 all time. LeGoat is cemented top 1. Better fight vs Kareem, Russell and Magic for the #2 spot at this point.