Jimmy Butler outscored all of Mike's Finals opponents

[And1AllDay]

jimmy > all of mikes opponents in his entire career

so be v careful if this 2020 chip is brans weakest ring

butler in the finals 26/8/10 on 55%

vs mikes finals opponents
91 magic, 19 ppg on 43%
92 drexler, 25 ppg on 41%
93 barkley, 27 ppg on 48%
96 kemp, 23 ppg on 55%
97 malone, 24 ppg on 44%
98 malone, 25 ppg, on 50%

uh oh YIKES butler scored more ppgz than 5 of 6 mike finals #1 option opponents

[Shooter]

Ppgz used against him :lol

We win again :roll::roll:

[8Ball]

And Butler >>>>> Barkley defensively.

Dear lord, 1 week later the hits keep coming.


Keep doing that research my boys.

[8Ball]

jimmy > all of mikes opponents in his entire career

so be v careful if this 2020 chip is brans weakest ring

butler in the finals 26/8/10 on 55%

vs mikes finals opponents
91 magic, 19 ppg on 43%
92 drexler, 25 ppg on 41%
93 barkley, 27 ppg on 48%
96 kemp, 23 ppg on 55%
97 malone, 24 ppg on 44%
98 malone, 25 ppg, on 50%

uh oh YIKES butler scored more ppgz than 5 of 6 mike finals #1 option opponents

3ball having a meltdown over this. Butler PPG > Jordan's finals opponents.

That means Jordan was playing a bunch of Miami Heat's in the finals 6x in a row.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

This is a dumb thread because Magic Johnson is clearly better then Butler. However, 3 ball makes retarded scoring threads like this every week. So this is just giving 3ball a taste of his own dementia.

[guy]

I don’t get it. You clearly show that Butler did not outscore Barkley:oldlol:

[Bronbron23]

jimmy > all of mikes opponents in his entire career

so be v careful if this 2020 chip is brans weakest ring

butler in the finals 26/8/10 on 55%

vs mikes finals opponents
91 magic, 19 ppg on 43%
92 drexler, 25 ppg on 41%
93 barkley, 27 ppg on 48%
96 kemp, 23 ppg on 55%
97 malone, 24 ppg on 44%
98 malone, 25 ppg, on 50%

uh oh YIKES butler scored more ppgz than 5 of 6 mike finals #1 option opponents

So we're giving bron credit now for allowing a mediocre scorer and playmaker to have one of the best finals ever? Interesting

[Roundball_Rock]

Ppgz used against him :lol

We win again

:cheers: Props to OP for using their own garbage against them.


This is a dumb thread because Magic Johnson is clearly better then Butler. However, 3 ball makes retarded scoring threads like this every week. So this is just giving 3ball a taste of his own dementia.

It isn't just 1-9ball, though. He is the worst but nearly every MJ stan is a PPG hugger on ISH. Their dumb logic needs be thrown back at them whenever possible. :pimp:


So we're giving bron credit now for allowing a mediocre scorer and playmaker to have one of the best finals ever?

Butler's career high is 24 PPG. Irving's career high is 25 PPG. MJ fans rave about Irving being a "great" scorer. 25 PPG=great, 24 PPG=mediocre? :confusedshrug:

[Shooter]

3ball having a meltdown over this. Butler PPG > Jordan's finals opponents.

That means Jordan was playing a bunch of Miami Heat's in the finals 6x in a row.

100% That's why he hasn't responded yet. Dude's whole life is in shambles right now. He might have to take down his MJ poster on his bedroom wall.

[Baller789]

100% That's why he hasn't responded yet. Dude's whole life is in shambles right now. He might have to take down his MJ poster on his bedroom wall.

But why can't Lebron win more than he loses tho?

[Roundball_Rock]

100% That's why he hasn't responded yet. Dude's whole life is in shambles right now. He might have to take down his MJ poster on his bedroom wall.

:lol

[3BallSucks]

:cheers: Props to OP for using their own garbage against them.



It isn't just 1-9ball, though. He is the worst but nearly every MJ stan is a PPG hugger on ISH. Their dumb logic needs be thrown back at them whenever possible. :pimp:



Butler's career high is 24 PPG. Irving's career high is 25 PPG. MJ fans rave about Irving being a "great" scorer. 25 PPG=great, 24 PPG=mediocre? :confusedshrug:

butler also much better defender. bran is GOAT

[MadDog]

So how many are taking Butler over either Barkley/Malone/Drexler/Magic/Kemp? :oldlol:

[Shooter]

So how many are taking Butler over either Barkley/Malone/Drexler/Magic/Kemp? :oldlol:

PPGz is all that matters

Sorry to say :( Ask 3ball for his evaluation on Pippen

[SouBeachTalents]

So how many are taking Butler over either Barkley/Malone/Drexler/Magic/Kemp? :oldlol:
I'd probably take Butler over Kemp

[FireDavidKahn]

Jordan's reputation went up in smoke after LeGOAT won this chip:roll:

L after L for Lordan

[Bronbron23]

:cheers: Props to OP for using their own garbage against them.



It isn't just 1-9ball, though. He is the worst but nearly every MJ stan is a PPG hugger on ISH. Their dumb logic needs be thrown back at them whenever possible. :pimp:



Butler's career high is 24 PPG. Irving's career high is 25 PPG. MJ fans rave about Irving being a "great" scorer. 25 PPG=great, 24 PPG=mediocre? :confusedshrug:

Kyrie has scored over 20 in almost every season he played. Butler has under half. I think everyone would agree kyrie is better offensively. The bubble and this era is offense on steroids. Before the bubble this wouldn't even be a discussion.

And kyrie scoring 25 those finals had alot to do with going up a trash defender. Steph took some criticism for his defense. Still does. Maybe bron should take some blame too. No way butler should be breaking records. He really isnt that great offensively. Never has been.

[MadDog]

I'd probably take Butler over Kemp

Kemp had maybe 2 or 3 playoff runs definitely better than Butler this postseason. More points, more rebounds and better advanced stats if you look at PER and Box +/-. Nobody with a functioning brain is taking Butler over the majority of players listed in OP because he was NEVER better than them :oldlol: Leave it to deceitful LeBron fans though. Deception is in their nature.

[light]

jimmy > all of mikes opponents in his entire career

so be v careful if this 2020 chip is brans weakest ring

butler in the finals 26/8/10 on 55%

vs mikes finals opponents
91 magic, 19 ppg on 43%
92 drexler, 25 ppg on 41%
93 barkley, 27 ppg on 48%
96 kemp, 23 ppg on 55%
97 malone, 24 ppg on 44%
98 malone, 25 ppg, on 50%

uh oh YIKES butler scored more ppgz than 5 of 6 mike finals #1 option opponents

You can't do Magic like that. He averaged 12 assists per game. In game 5 he had 20 assists. That's a ton of points.

[ThatCoolKid]

You can't do Magic like that. He averaged 12 assists per game. In game 5 he had 20 assists. That's a ton of points.

And Butler had 10 assists per game. Scoring better than Drexler passing like Magic. Jesus, how did Lebron beat this guy?

[Roundball_Rock]

PPGz is all that matters

Sorry to say :( Ask 3ball for his evaluation on Pippen

Yup. This is the first thread where MJ stans are saying we need to look at things beyond PPG. I wonder why? :lol


I'd probably take Butler over Kemp

Me too. These people overrate Kemp and talk about him like he was on the Malone/Barkley level when he was a top 10 player for only a handful of seasons. He was a much flashier PF but comparable to Vin Baker (Kemp was better but slightly better, the point is Baker is the type of PF he should be compared to). The Sonics traded prime Kemp for prime Baker and won 61 games. That speaks volumes.

Butler has a much more well-rounded game than Kemp did, Butler is a much better leader. Kemp crashed and burned as a #1 option; Butler thrived in that role. The only thing Kemp did better than Butler was rebounding--which is to be expected since he was a PF. Butler is a better shooter, playmaker, defender, and leader.

Payton was Seattle's #1 option, though. He put up 18 on 44%. Payton>Butler. However, the OP uses the logic of many MJ stans'. Using that logic, Butler>all of these players except Barkley. That is ridiculous but that presumably is the point of the OP: to expose the stupidity of MJ stans' logic by applying it against their agenda.

Of the #1 options the Bulls faced in the Finals, I wouldn't put Butler over any of them but I would put Butler over Price, Hardaway, and Miller (over Miller prime vs. prime, not career wise) who were the best players on Bulls' ECF opponents.


Kyrie has scored over 20 in almost every season he played. Butler has under half. I think everyone would agree kyrie is better offensively. The bubble and this era is offense on steroids. Before the bubble this wouldn't even be a discussion.

That is deceptive. Come on. Butler was a role player his first couple years like Kawhi.

Butler's top 5 scoring seasons: 24, 22, 21, 20, 20.
Irving's top 5 scoring seasons: 25, 24, 24, 23, 22. 27 this year but played only 20 games.

There isn't a major difference.

The bottom line is teams get better when Butler joins them, when he leaves they get worse. With Irving it is the opposite.

[Shooter]

Kemp had maybe 2 or 3 playoff runs definitely better than Butler this postseason. More points, more rebounds and better advanced stats if you look at PER and Box +/-. Nobody with a functioning brain is taking Butler over the majority of players listed in OP because he was NEVER better than them :oldlol: Leave it to deceitful LeBron fans though. Deception is in their nature.

Stop it :lol

Kemp went to the Finals one time in his career and has six 1st round exits

#BeEducated

[MadDog]

Butler isn't a better scorer than Kyrie. Stop it. The one argument for Butler as a scorer is this past finals, so one series. But if you're going off one series, and in this case the finals, Kyrie still outscored him in 2016. I'm not taking Butler over Kemp because of one series. I can admit that its close, but the OP's inention was to say Butler over Kemp and everyone else mentioned. What a joke :oldlol:

[Roundball_Rock]

Stop it :lol

Kemp went to the Finals one time in his career and has six 1st round exits

#BeEducated

What was he talking about anyway?

Top 5 BPM playoff runs

Butler: 6.2, 5.9, 5.8, 3.3 (6 games), 2.6 (5 games)
Kemp: 7.4 (4 games), 6.4 (4 games), 4.8, 4.3, 3.3

If you look at their real playoff runs (not counting 4 games :oldlol: ), Kemp's best is 4.8 in 96' while Butler's is 6.2 (19', he was 5.9 this year).


Butler isn't a better scorer than Kyrie.

I didn't say he was. I said they are close so you can't call one "mediocre" and then say the other is this great scorer.

Butler is a two-way player. Irving isn't expending the energy on defense that Butler is. Moreover, Butler actually shows up for the playoffs. Irving has been 0/0/0 in two of the last three years in the playoffs.

[8Ball]

Let's not even bring Durant and Curry into this argument.

[kawhileonard2]

It is why the league made changes. Otherwise guys like Lebron would average what they averaged in the Olympics in the NBA since the rule changes.

[MadDog]

Stop it :lol

Kemp went to the Finals one time in his career and has six 1st round exits

#BeEducated

Your only argument is team success? Isn't that what LeBron fans criticize others of doing? More deception from your ilk :oldlol:

[kawhileonard2]

Jason Terry outscored Lebron to. Jimmy Butler scored so much against Lebron. It seems most guys get off on Lebron in the finals with career high's.

[Shooter]

Your only argument is team success? Isn't that what LeBron fans criticize others of doing? More deception from your ilk :oldlol:

Rookie alert :lol


6x 1st round exit Kemp is this man's hero :lol No wonder he likes Mike :lol

[Shooter]

What was he talking about anyway?

Top 5 BPM playoff runs

Butler: 6.2, 5.9, 5.8, 3.3 (6 games), 2.6 (5 games)
Kemp: 7.4 (4 games), 6.4 (4 games), 4.8, 4.3, 3.3

If you look at their real playoff runs (not counting 4 games :oldlol: ), Kemp's best is 4.8 in 96' while Butler's is 6.2 (19', he was 5.9 this year).



I didn't say he was. I said they are close so you can't call one "mediocre" and then say the other is this great scorer.

Butler is a two-way player. Irving isn't expending the energy on defense that Butler is. Moreover, Butler actually shows up for the playoffs. Irving has been 0/0/0 in two of the last three years in the playoffs.

Bingo. These bois are SPINNIN hard after the 2020 Finals :roll: I love it

[MadDog]

I used PER, BPM, Points, Rebounds and efficiency :confusedshrug: Once again Kemp had at least 2 or 3 playoff runs better. The random arbiter of how many games equal a "real" playoff run is funny. :oldlol: Butler's finals is the ONLY reason this is a discussion.


Rookie alert :lol

6x 1st round exit Kemp is this man's hero :lol No wonder he likes Mike :lol

Is this supposed to be an argument? You're just punching keys at this point.

[kawhileonard2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w42NrqQRiRY

[Roundball_Rock]

I used PER, BPM, Points, Rebounds and efficiency :confusedshrug: Once again Kemp had at least 2 or 3 playoff runs better. The random arbiter of how many games equal a "real" playoff run is funny. :oldlol: Butler's finals is the ONLY reason this is a discussion.

That is naïve. Kemp was a post player so of course he will have better efficiency, more rebounds. PER skews towards big men.

The desperation continues. They are hanging their hats on playoff "runs" where Kemp was so "great" he was doing things like losing in the first round with a 57 win team with prime Payton. :lol

Butler>Kemp.

[ThatCoolKid]

During the Finals all the Bron haters saying what Butler is doing is unprecedented he deserves FMVP on the losing team the first time since Jerry West. Now he is some scrub now that Lebon beat him :lol

[Roundball_Rock]

During the Finals all the Bron haters saying what Butler is doing is unprecedented he deserves FMVP on the losing team the first time since Jerry West. Now he is some scrub now that Lebon beat him :lol

:roll: :roll: :roll:

True! Yup, before they put all their chips on AD a lot of them were saying Butler was the FMVP.

Also, remember 1-9ball posting a thread saying how awesome Butler was for what he was doing against the Bucks? He stopped saying that when his logic was applied to MJ's comp and not just to Pippen (Butler was something like 28/6/5 on 71% TS at that point in the series and it was pointed out no one MJ played against ever did) but you can see where he wanted to go before people called out his hypocrisy.

Now Butler is a bum.

[MadDog]

That is naïve. Kemp was a post player so of course he will have better efficiency, more rebounds. PER skews towards big men.

The desperation continues. They are hanging their hats on playoff "runs" where Kemp was so "great" he was doing things like losing in the first round with a 57 win team with prime Payton. :lol

Butler>Kemp.

Naive would be you ignoring common sense. Nobody discounts Shaq's efficiency or rebounding because he was a post player. That is a credit his effectiveness and impact, just like it is for Kemp. PER favors your guy, LeBron, and Jordan too so it can't be that skewed What is "1-9ball" by the way? I keep seeing that mentioned in regards to Jordan, but you're using to describe someone in your post :oldlol:

[Roundball_Rock]

Naive would be you ignoring common sense. Nobody discounts Shaq's efficiency or rebounding because he was a post player. That is a credit his effectiveness and impact, just like it is for Kemp. PER favors your guy, LeBron, and Jordan too so it can't be that skewed What is "1-9ball" by the way? I keep seeing that mentioned in regards to Jordan, but you're using to describe someone in your post :oldlol:

It isn't a good way to compare a post player to a wing due to different roles. Shaq wasn't asked to take 18 foot jumpers. If Butler was asked to dunk half the time and stay next to the basket his "efficiency" would climb artificially without any actual gain in ability. Comparing efficiency to peers at their position is a better way.

What we know about Kemp is his efficiency crashed as a #1 option in Cleveland.

1-9ball is a name many people use for "3ball", to make fun of him. :oldlol:

[MadDog]

It isn't a good way to compare a post player to a wing due to different roles. Shaq wasn't asked to take 18 foot jumpers. If Butler was asked to dunk half the time and stay next to the basket his "efficiency" would climb artificially without any actual gain in ability. Comparing efficiency to peers at their position is a better way.

What we know about Kemp is his efficiency crashed as a #1 option in Cleveland.

1-9ball is a name many people use for "3ball", to make fun of him. :oldlol:

Sure, but we're not comparing their skills directly. I am saying Kemp was flatout better because of his impact and production. The same way most had Peak Shaq > 99% of the league


1-9ball is a name many people use for "3ball", to make fun of him. :oldlol:

Oh okay. :oldlol: Don't know who "3ball" is but have to admit that is funny.

[Roundball_Rock]

3ball is the guy posting 3-4 threads a day about LeBron because he is melting down about what happened last week. :lol

[And1AllDay]

During the Finals all the Bron haters saying what Butler is doing is unprecedented he deserves FMVP on the losing team the first time since Jerry West. Now he is some scrub now that Lebon beat him :lol

:oldlol::roll:

we gottm all spinnin

[And1AllDay]

Sure, but we're not comparing their skills directly. I am saying Kemp was flatout better because of his impact and production. The same way most had Peak Shaq > 99% of the league



Oh okay. :oldlol: Don't know who "3ball" is but have to admit that is funny.

yeah in case you dont know ill give you a quick update since your a 2020 account newbie

3ball is the biggest mike jordan fan but he got bullied so hard about his stance that he has to make a lot of alts to support his wacky takes

basically he is the most bullied fakkit on this site and is fuming that bran passed mj on goat list

[Shooter]

jimmy > all of mikes opponents in his entire career

so be v careful if this 2020 chip is brans weakest ring

butler in the finals 26/8/10 on 55%

vs mikes finals opponents
91 magic, 19 ppg on 43%
92 drexler, 25 ppg on 41%
93 barkley, 27 ppg on 48%
96 kemp, 23 ppg on 55%
97 malone, 24 ppg on 44%
98 malone, 25 ppg, on 50%

uh oh YIKES butler scored more ppgz than 5 of 6 mike finals #1 option opponents

Anyone?

[8Ball]

Other players that had higher PPG in the finals:

Kevin Durant 2012
Westbrook 2012
Kevin Durant 2017+2018
Steph Curry 2017
Steph Curry 2018


Since PPGz is the only criteria worth mentioning.


That 2012 OKC team was so stacked. Finals stats:

Durant 30/6/2
Westbrook 27/6/6

2012 OKC also reverse swept those stacked 2012 Spurs team that was on a 20 game win streak at the time.

[Shooter]

Other players that had higher PPG in the finals:

Kevin Durant 2012
Westbrook 2012
Kevin Durant 2017+2018
Steph Curry 2017
Steph Curry 2018


Since PPGz is the only criteria worth mentioning.


That 2012 OKC team was so stacked. Finals stats:

Durant 30/6/2
Westbrook 27/6/6

2012 OKC also reverse swept those stacked 2012 Spurs team that was on a 20 game win streak at the time.

2012 #2 option Westbrook PPGz higher than any of Jordan's Finals opponents. Ever :lol ALL OF THEM :lol

Uh-oh MJ stains...